More Enforced Punishment.

[Sleepy Raisin]

Yes, well honestly i believe the US punishment style is NOT working. I think schools should enforce corporal punishment again and that prisions should be more... Erm.. Whats the word... Aggresive? Stronger? Something along those lines.. Anyways they shouldnt be sitting in their cells relaxing all day..

Anywho.. What're your thoughts and opinions on this stuff?

[Jess]

you want corporal punishment in schools??? no way.

[Gigablue]

Corporal punishment in schools is the last thine we need. It doesn't really work, and just increases fear. Also, prisons need to be less aggressive and more focused on rehabilitation as opposed to punishment.

[LouBerry]

Think of all the children who get beat at home. They don't need to be beat again in school. And, no, I think the death sentence is bad enough for prisons.

[Lovely637]

I don't agree with that.

[huginnmuninn]

corporal punishment? No. Maybe force kids to help clean around school and pick up trash and stuff.
I think that there are a lot of prisons that are too good to the prisoners. I would take away T.V. and stuff like that. Just leave them with basketball and working out and other physical things. I think prisoners shouldn't be allowed cigarettes or anything like that. If prisoners are caught breaking rules then they should be punished.

[Cicero]

corporal punishment? No. Maybe force kids to help clean around school and pick up trash and stuff.
I think that there are a lot of prisons that are too good to the prisoners. I would take away T.V. and stuff like that. Just leave them with basketball and working out and other physical things. I think prisoners shouldn't be allowed cigarettes or anything like that. If prisoners are caught breaking rules then they should be punished.

I agree with this.

But I also have to say that when nuns and teachers were allowed to use the ruler, students weren't as bad. So it might've worked then, who knows, it might work now. No way of knowing. But most parents would complain and say "No my little baby can't be hurt!". I definitely think this generation has been babied and isn't like past generations, past generations (like some of our parents/grandparents) were tuff and not wimpy.

[hotsauce12]

Rope and an Oak tree is a hell of a lot cheaper than 3 meals a day, shelter, T.V. and all the other stuff for 99 years....

[Korashk]

But I also have to say that when nuns and teachers were allowed to use the ruler, students weren't as bad.
You have any evidence backing this up?

Rope and an Oak tree is a hell of a lot cheaper than 3 meals a day, shelter, T.V. and all the other stuff for 99 years....
It's actually not. It costs about ten times as much.

[Cicero]

You have any evidence backing this up?


It's actually not. It costs about ten times as much.

Hmmm, have any evidence that nuns hit fingers with rulers? Thought it was common knowledge. Back in the 40s the biggest problem was kids throwing paper in the trash (like basketball) now its kids bringing weapons and language.

[WaffleSingSong]

What? Hell no. All that does is create more reasons for students to NOT go to school. Making it stricter is the easy way out, but reforming it so it is just as strict as before is the right way to do it.

Now, I some-what agree with you on 2., though. Even though it should not be really bad, I think they should be constantly working. However, they should also need some breaks. In China, people work hard 24/7 and always try to kill themselves from over-depression.

[Sugaree]

I agree with this.

But I also have to say that when nuns and teachers were allowed to use the ruler, students weren't as bad. So it might've worked then, who knows, it might work now. No way of knowing. But most parents would complain and say "No my little baby can't be hurt!". I definitely think this generation has been babied and isn't like past generations, past generations (like some of our parents/grandparents) were tuff and not wimpy.

Oh bullshit. The generation you're referring to is from people born in the late 80s and early 90s who fell victim to oversensitive liberalism and began babying their kids throughout their childhood. Our generation - that is, you and I - was never excessively babied to the point where we were entitled. Of course, any parents is going to be overprotective about their child. You would be too. That's your flesh and blood; you don't want them to be hurt in any way.

Corporal punishment in schools will do nothing. The only reason it was allowed in the last few centuries was because there were no laws restricting it. Now, with laws passed that limit what schools can do to their students, corporal punishment is a thing of the past. It changed nothing in the long run, and to think that there will be some massive turn around is stupid. So no, OP, this idea is not a good one. Also, prisoners don't relax in their cells all day; most of them actually have to do some form of physical work during the day for a certain amount of time.

[Mortal Coil]

Corporal punishment is a shit idea. Yes, I think that schools (and prisons) should be more aggressive in their disciplinary systems, but physically hurting kids is not the way to do that.

[Korashk]

Hmmm, have any evidence that nuns hit fingers with rulers? Thought it was common knowledge.
It should have been obvious I was asking for evidence that students back in the day were better behaved.

Back in the 40s the biggest problem was kids throwing paper in the trash (like basketball) now its kids bringing weapons and language.
There were six school shootings conducted by students in the 1940s. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#1940s) The earliest recorded school shooting by a student in America was in 1853.

[Abigballofdust]

I don't think corporal punishments ever did something good. I think the problem today is the overprotecting parents that want their children to be above everybody else, including teachers. Being a teacher today is a shame, while years ago it was a respected job, we need to work on bringing it back to the old status.

Point 2, prisons. I agree they should be stricter but by giving the prisoners something to do. There's no sense in giving a prisoner a basketball and condemn him to years of boredom, but there's something in giving them a community job within the prison, like cleaning toilets, painting public buildings and all other expensive works the government pays but could be easily done by somebody on goverment expenses.
Of course the most dangerous prisoners should be working only inside the prison due to safety reasons... But they should earn their meals as well.
Near my city there's a prison for small crimes and they grow vegetables there or are moved to different locations if they need to help with some public works (last I checked they were cleaning a big archeological site inside my town)...

[Cicero]

It should have been obvious I was asking for evidence that students back in the day were better behaved.


There were six school shootings conducted by students in the 1940s. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#1940s) The earliest recorded school shooting by a student in America was in 1853.

As we got closer to todays day in age, their has been more and more school shootings.

[PinkFloyd]

sorry but I disagree with you 100%

We don't want physical punishment in schools.
Prisons are not for hurting people. They are there to send criminals down a different road other than breaking the law...

[Korashk]

As we got closer to todays day in age, their has been more and more school shootings.
...and?

More school shootings =/= worse as a whole. Plus school shooting are down according to that Wikipedia page, they apparently spiked in the nineties.

[Levy]

Honestly, I think corporal punishment is alright. I mean obviously suspension and expulsion are big enough threats, and God forbid.. detention! *gasp*
I swear if my teacher was all like, "I'm taking off my belt." most of the class would have been all over being suck ups.

[Abigballofdust]

Honestly, I think corporal punishment is alright. I mean obviously suspension and expulsion are big enough threats, and God forbid.. detention! *gasp*
I swear if my teacher was all like, "I'm taking off my belt." most of the class would have been all over being suck ups.

There's no way I'd let a teacher hit me or anybody in my (future) family. If somebody that works with children must resort to hands and belts to impose discipline then he isn't good at his job. Children are not circus lions that can be whipped into understanding.

[Levy]

There's no way I'd let a teacher hit me or anybody in my (future) family. If somebody that works with children must resort to hands and belts to impose discipline then he isn't good at his job. Children are not circus lions that can be whipped into understanding.
That's your opinion, and I respect it. But discipline in U.S. school system is flawed, and need fixed. Either it be corporal punishment of stricter teachers, who knows? Certainly not I.

[Sudds3]

Corporal punishment in schools? At my grade school, if they allowed that...well I honestly would have been mutilated my first day! My I.d school did not know how or when to punish people, their system for everyone (grade kindergarten-8) was that you had three strikes every semester....and the first strike was a warning, second was a letter was sent home (and the letter was always a complete over exaggeration of the incident) then third you had detention for a week, a violation which means you cannot get on honor roll or principals list, you were sent another letter home, it was marked on your perminant record, and you grades were affected severely....so I think it was quite the punishment.

You were supposed to be given a "strike" for every major thing you did, but they threw out strikes like they were pieces of paper! "oh, you took 6 minutes in the bathroom, you get a strike" (actually happened) "you two were talking, I'm going to mark the whole class" (actually happened also) "you left class early because you were needed by another teacher, that's a strike" (happened and the other teacher came to my defense too, still got marked up)

So my teachers were totally shit heads....and if they could I force cop oral punishment...well the would abuse that too. So I think a lot of people these days would abuse the power and mentally and physically scar the children.

[Iris]

TChildren are not circus lions that can be whipped into understanding.

I have two problems with this. First, circus lions being whipped? That's a huge, fucked up issue in itself. Nothing should be whipped. There is always a better solution, no matter what the cause. But that's a side point., and you probably didn't mean it literally anyway.

My main problem with what you just said is the idea that such punishment leads to understanding. It doesn't. It creates fear, that's it. It makes the person or animal afraid of doing something because it will have negative results. That's basic operant conditioning. But what it doesn't do is create any sort of understanding. To understand that something is wrong it must be explained and understood, otherwise as soon as the threat of punishment dissipates, the undesired action will reemerge. Understandably, trying to sit down and explain to a 6 year old why something is wrong and should not be done can be difficult at times, but corporal punishment is a temporary and often (in the long-term) harmful fix, not a real solution.

[Abigballofdust]

I have two problems with this. First, circus lions being whipped? That's a huge, fucked up issue in itself. Nothing should be whipped. There is always a better solution, no matter what the cause. But that's a side point., and you probably didn't mean it literally anyway.

My main problem with what you just said is the idea that such punishment leads to understanding. It doesn't. It creates fear, that's it. It makes the person or animal afraid of doing something because it will have negative results. That's basic operant conditioning. But what it doesn't do is create any sort of understanding. To understand that something is wrong it must be explained and understood, otherwise as soon as the threat of punishment dissipates, the undesired action will reemerge. Understandably, trying to sit down and explain to a 6 year old why something is wrong and should not be done can be difficult at times, but corporal punishment is a temporary and often (in the long-term) harmful fix, not a real solution.

Well, lions are usually whipped in circuses, at least that's what I remember.
What you said is correct though, it's only temporary. Give the lion time without whipping him every day and he'll eventually attack the master trainer.

[Carlsen]

Yes, well honestly i believe the US punishment style is NOT working. I think schools should enforce corporal punishment again and that prisions should be more... Erm.. Whats the word... Aggresive? Stronger? Something along those lines.. Anyways they shouldnt be sitting in their cells relaxing all day..

Anywho.. What're your thoughts and opinions on this stuff?
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