"Anyone that believes in God is a fucking sheep."

[triggerperson]

-Kip Kinkel

May not be the best person to quote here but hopefully you don't ban people right and left. Though I do think he has a point. I'll try to explain in the least offensive way possible.

Religious people don't really stop and think about their beliefs. They were told growing up "God is real", "If you sin you're going to Hell", "blah blah blah God is awesome blah blah all loving, blah blah blah" etc. Almost as if they have been programmed to believe in God. Which is why I agree that most of them are sheep (in that department). They'll just follow the herd without really thinking "Is it really logical to believe that there is an invisible man in the sky?".

Do you think that religious people are sheep? Why/Why not?
I hope I haven't crossed the line over to too offensive...

[Mortal Coil]

I agree that there are some like that, who take what they've learned at face value and never bother to use their own initiative, but it is NOT fair to say that about all religious people. Think about those who converted after adulthood, and keep in mind that there are atheists and agnostics who are sheep as well.

[GaryKTM250]

-Kip Kinkel

May not be the best person to quote here but hopefully you don't ban people right and left. Though I do think he has a point. I'll try to explain in the least offensive way possible.

Religious people don't really stop and think about their beliefs. They were told growing up "God is real", "If you sin you're going to Hell", "blah blah blah God is awesome blah blah all loving, blah blah blah" etc. Almost as if they have been programmed to believe in God. Which is why I agree that most of them are sheep (in that department). They'll just follow the herd without really thinking "Is it really logical to believe that there is an invisible man in the sky?".

Do you think that religious people are sheep? Why/Why not?
I hope I haven't crossed the line over to too offensive...



Hey just let people believe in what they want you can be as free as you want, but your beliefs and opinions about others shackles you.

[triggerperson]

Hey just let people believe in what they want you can be as free as you want, but your beliefs and opinions about others shackles you.
Oh really, my beliefs shackle me? :lol:
I let people believe whatever they want (I've never said people aren't allowed to believe in God). Maybe you should follow my example and let me believe whatever I want. And do you believe that in all circumstances? As in, should Nazis be allowed to believe in National Socialism?

[UnknownError]

My gran does loads for her church and is there about 4 times a week for various groups etc.
My three great-aunts, her sisters, don't believe in God.

Yet they all went to church as children with my Great-Grandad and Great-Gran.

You're statement is completely un-valid.

p.s. quoting psychopathic murderers isnt a great start to a debate.

[Cicero]

-Kip Kinkel

May not be the best person to quote here but hopefully you don't ban people right and left. Though I do think he has a point. I'll try to explain in the least offensive way possible.

Religious people don't really stop and think about their beliefs. They were told growing up "God is real", "If you sin you're going to Hell", "blah blah blah God is awesome blah blah all loving, blah blah blah" etc. Almost as if they have been programmed to believe in God. Which is why I agree that most of them are sheep (in that department). They'll just follow the herd without really thinking "Is it really logical to believe that there is an invisible man in the sky?".

Do you think that religious people are sheep? Why/Why not?
I hope I haven't crossed the line over to too offensive...

Growing up, my pastors told me its good to question why I believe in him. They said God wants Christians to question different things. Also, religious people are supposed to be sheep, the bible says that we're the sheep and Christ is the Shepard. If a sheep strays, he goes back and retrieves the sheep. Back in the day, if a sheep strayed, the Shepard would break they're legs so they cannot flee again. So that could be hypothetical that God allows things to happen in our lives, so that we may return to him. In the bible, your either a Christian for life, or not a christian at all. The bible says that people can't just say "I used to be Christian", because if they say that, they were never Christian in the first place. People should say "I tried out the Christian way of life, but didn't like it". Once your written in the book of life, your in their, no matter what. So God wouldn't right you in, if he knew that you'd say "I used to be Christian, not anymore".

[Gaybaby94]

I'm sorry, but when I let the religious believe what they want, they get all in my face about how I'm evil and how the idea of us getting married is sick. Blah blah blah. IMO people should grow up, but whatever. If people want to be ignorant to scientific fact and believe in some big imaginary friend, let them. As long as they don't bother me ( which is rare) then I'm fine with their ignorant lifestyle.

[Stryker125]

While I agree that there are some religious people like this, it's not true about all. I don't believe in God because I was told to or grew up that way, I have my own, personal reasons.

[FreeFall]

To an extent.

I'm atheist, came and raised from hardcore religious parents (read: 'I didn't go to church this week father forgive me I'll never do it again please don't slaughter me' people).
My parents know when enough is enough though and truly love their faith but they're not blind.

The people in Jonestown, that Peoples Temple Agricultural Project cult, those were sheeps.
Solar temple and Heaven's Gate too. Basically any cult.

[StoppingTime]

I'm sorry, but when I let the religious believe what they want, they get all in my face about how I'm evil and how the idea of us getting married is sick.

You just need to stop. You think that all religious people are anti-LGBT. You are so very, very wrong. Sure, if you go into a church saying, "I'm going to be married and screw you all" (I doubt you do this, but it is just your attitude) you are just asking for problems. If you don't bother those people who believe it's wrong, they aren't going to do anything to you.



Blah blah blah. IMO people should grow up, but whatever.

Then keep that opinion. People don't need to "grow up." Religion is right for some people, so just let them be.


If people want to be ignorant to scientific fact and believe in some big imaginary friend, let them. As long as they don't bother me ( which is rare) then I'm fine with their ignorant lifestyle.

Clearly, you aren't "fine" with it, or you wouldn't be calling them "ignorant" and "believing in a big imaginary friend." You would just have no opinion on them. You are being stereotypical, not "fine."


OT: No, of course not all religious people are like this. But why debate about it? From the OP, you clearly seem to have your ideas set in stone. It sounds like you are the Holier Than Thou preacher who, as I can tell, can't even respect religion. Do I care? No. But then don't go asking these questions if you can't at least show respect.

[Gigablue]

I think that the sheep analogy might be a bit extreme, but I agree with your point. It shows a lack of critical thinking to not question your beliefs and go with what the best evidence shows. If anyone has a logical argument or good evidence for the existence of a god, then they aren't a "sheep". But believing something just because your parents told you it was true or on blind faith is simply illogical.

I also think atheists could be sheep as well. If they believe there is no god for a similarly illogical reason then they would qualify. I do think that there are far fewer atheist sheep though.

Basically anyone who believes something based on blind faith without questioning it and looking at the evidence is a sheep.

[Cicero]

I'm sorry, but when I let the religious believe what they want, they get all in my face about how I'm evil and how the idea of us getting married is sick. Blah blah blah. IMO people should grow up, but whatever. If people want to be ignorant to scientific fact and believe in some big imaginary friend, let them. As long as they don't bother me ( which is rare) then I'm fine with their ignorant lifestyle.

When YOU let them believe what they want? Damn, your such a communist. Thank you Gaybaby94 for letting me believe in God. Thank you master. *sarcasm*

It's like fuck, your just anti religious against everyone who's religious aren't you. You talk about religious people being ignorant, your the most ignorant person on here. Sure, you have your reasons, but no need to rant on every post about how Christians are evil and mean and ignorant. Not all religious people are anti LGBT. Have in mind, there are also other VTers on here that believe in this "imaginary friend". Your just as bad as the anti LGBT religiou people, because your anti religion. There have been several posts I've seen you make over the months, that just slander and bash religion. I'm getting a little tired of all this anti religious stuff. I don't mean to be an ass, it just gets tiring hearing you bash everything that has to do with God.

[Neverender]

Hey just let people believe in what they want you can be as free as you want, but your beliefs and opinions about others shackles you.

That arguement would be valid, if religious people didn't insist on having their own moral codes be adopted for everybody. (IE Anti-Abortion laws, anti-contraceptive laws, 10 commandments in courtrooms and schools, death to people who work on the Sabbath, etc.)

[Jess]

I definitely agree with you. of course not all religious people are like that, but a lot are.

[Rage of the Menace]

Oh really, my beliefs shackle me? :lol:
I let people believe whatever they want (I've never said people aren't allowed to believe in God). Maybe you should follow my example and let me believe whatever I want. And do you believe that in all circumstances? As in, should Nazis be allowed to believe in National Socialism?

Yes. They should be. It's their right.

[Iris]

People also believe in God because they're insecure and in need of some stability. Some need something to fill up a part of their lives that feels empty. Sometimes they believe in God because their parents and grandparents believed in God. Every person is different. I think both the concept of god and religion is ridiculous, but everyone has his/her own unique story for why they are the way they are. You can't make such blanket statements; you need to know more about people before calling them ignorant fools.

[heeysamantha]

I think religion is a very sensitive issue... and i think many arguments and wars are fought over it...and for what. To MAKE someone believe in something that they don't. they're both trying to make the opposite side believe in what THEY think is right. Why can't there be a happy medium. I personally don't believe in religion, however, I also don't believe in people trashing other peoples religion. and saying that their way of belief is wrong. Yes I lean on the side of scientific fact. and what can be proven because I don't believe in blind faith. But, I'm not sitting behind my computer screen condemning people who believe in religion, and saying that they are ignorant and shackled by their beliefs. I respect people to believe in what they want. Everyone else should show a little maturity and understanding as well, and be able to respect others.

[LouBerry]

The way I look at it:My Mom died when I was a little kid, but according to my religion, I'll see her again someday. And I really do believe in God. When things in my life get hard, and I get depressed, I pray. And something tells me, You are loved, you are beautiful. Jesus is my best friend. I talk to him like I can't talk to anyone else. I don't believe that I'm better than anyone else because of my religion, and the whole point of what I believe is love. I think that it's my job to show love to the world.

[Chronos]

I just have a problem with religion as it's portrayed today. I agree that having a spiritual shoulder to lean on is a fine and dandy idea, but I do not think it should be someone else's spiritual shoulder you lean on. I think religion should be a much more private thing. There shouldn't be this whole thing about "Christianity" and "Judaism" and "Wiccans", whateverthefuck, and beliefs shouldn't be limited by what other people say.

Your beliefs should be based on what you believe-how you perceive the world as it is and how you think it would be best-not what other people stuff down your throat.

The thing is, the world changes, and religion pretends not to. That's another one of it's biggest issues.

But in most relevancy to the topic at hand-the thing is, these sheep, they don't stop to think about what THEY think is right. They follow blindly, like you said. The whole point of what I'm saying religion should be is that people should be able to believe in something they really feel-and that should be based around happiness and love. Whatever makes people happy. That's what I think.

The way I see it, I don't understand these sheep people. They follow these "God"s blindly, not seeing that their beliefs are hurting other people and hurting the world, causing drama and bringing down pain. Now the way I see it, any God whose words hurt his own creations, man, isn't a great God. And seeing as Gods get their power from their followers, don't follow and he won't have any power to punish you. Don't follow if you don't want people to be caused pain and suffering by everything you throw into the ever-evolving mix that is the world.

[Haufen]

Believing in God doesn't make you a sheep. Blindlessly following what your friends, family and/or society says makes you a sheep.
If your parents and friends are atheists and your society for the most part too, and you just take over that belief without thinking, you are a sheep as well as the believers who do the same.

[Bath]

I agree with you in essence, not fully. There are people who have studied their faith inside and out, questioned themselves, done their reading and still have the conclusion that there is a god.

Also, God =/= religion.

[Puma_concolor]

What a broad statement... that's one hell of a way to jump to conclusions. Anybody who doesn't question their belief (or lack of) is blind, atheists included. I say it every time some thing like this comes up and I'll say it here: judge the individual, not the group they belong to.

[Sudds3]

Religious people don't really stop and think about their beliefs. They were told growing up "God is real", "If you sin you're going to Hell", "blah blah blah God is awesome blah blah all loving, blah blah blah" etc. Almost as if they have been programmed to believe in God. Which is why I agree that most of them are sheep (in that department). They'll just follow the herd without really thinking "Is it really logical to believe that there is an invisible man in the sky?".

Do you think that religious people are sheep? Why/Why not?
I hope I haven't crossed the line over to too offensive...

well I agree completely actually. I grew up as a Catholic, but I'm now thinking everything over and discovering that I don't believe in a lot/most of the stuff the Catholic church has to offer.

But I do agree with a lot, persay, of the stuff the Catholic church has to offer. It's the most fitting for me, so that's why I remain a Catholic.

[TheBigUnit]

U kno Einstein was a devout Jew, and his explanation on why he believes in God is totally logical, And I'll stop there ha

[FunGuy-]

There are more struggles than u think... And there is doubt sometimes we are not just a bunch of sheep. If you ever believed in god and Jesus you would know

[Vonn]

The thing is, religion wouldn't be a problem if people would exercise some common sense. Just because you believe in X doesn't mean you can go around harassing other people who don't feel the same way. What's so hard about that? What's so hard about not being an inconsiderate ass? I don't get it.

[Iris]

U kno Einstein was a devout Jew, and his explanation on why he believes in God is totally logical, And I'll stop there ha

Einstein was not a 'devout' Jew in any sense of the word. he was Jewish by matrilineal descent and identified as such, but he did not follow Jewish tradition or law at all.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Religion is the simple explanation to humanitys existence. Too simple to be true.

[Silicate Wielder]

I agree with Trigger Person, I do believe in god, but I am the type of person who ponders his beliefs. and there are hings I disagree with, most of that stuff is just contradictory with other belieifs. My mom makes me go to church so I have to spend 2 hours pretending to listen. But i do notice that alot of stuff dosn't make sense to me.
I do believe in god but I don't egree with ost stuff they say at the chrch go to, besides i don't believe in worship anyways.

[Dake]

i don't know if god exist but once my grandpa told me when he was 12 years old they house ware bewitched and they ware hearing strange and scary noises they think that is the devil and they did sold the house (but i don't know if is true or not) then if devil exist maybe and god can exist i don't know but i'm not a religion men

[Wakesetter03]

I see exactly where you are coming from. So many people are blinded by following others beliefs, and not they're own.
I believe in god but what I believe in can't exactly be defined by any religeon. I believe what I believe, not what other people tell me.
Whoever said that quote above though should perhaps live and let live.

[PleasureMe7777]

God is real...In my opinion.

[UnknownBoi98]

I Somewhat Agree. . I Do Believe In God && All But I do Agree With The Fact That most People Are Programmed To Believe In God ; By There Parents Or Church.

[Chronos]

I see exactly where you are coming from. So many people are blinded by following others beliefs, and not they're own.
I believe in god but what I believe in can't exactly be defined by any religeon. I believe what I believe, not what other people tell me.
Whoever said that quote above though should perhaps live and let live.

Good man.

[Levy]

People who think like that are just as bigoted as religious zealots. So it's pretty much the pot calling the kettle black. It's your life let them believe and do what they want as long as it doesn't harm another. What's the difference in saying "You're going to hell cause you are a non believer!" and "You're a dumb ass for being a believer!"? Both statements sound like they are coming from a pretentious douchebag.

[dmb1996]

i agree

[Brice]

I'm a studious kind of person. I prefer to study something before believing in it. While there are people who are like that in every religion, not all are. I have a mix of beliefs from different religions. I'm friends with many religious people. We have debates and arguments all the time but just from those arguments, I know that not all people are "sheep" as you call them.

[Sugaree]

People who think like that are just as bigoted as religious zealots. So it's pretty much the pot calling the kettle black. It's your life let them believe and do what they want as long as it doesn't harm another. What's the difference in saying "You're going to hell cause you are a non believer!" and "You're a dumb ass for being a believer!"? Both statements sound like they are coming from a pretentious douchebag.

Well, pretty much all of the OP's threads in this forum are pretentious 15 year old tough guy threads. So your point is valid.

[deadpie]

I'll try to explain in the least offensive way possible.

Thread title: ANYONE THAT BELIEVES IN GOD IS A FUCKING SHEEP

You say: I'll try to explain in the least offensive way possible.

>Implying that isn't offensive enough already.

Religious people don't really stop and think about their beliefs.

I have a pet peeve for people who group people all together as if they're all the same. You think all religious people are the same? Are you saying EVERY RELIGIOUS PERSON doesn't stop and think about their beliefs? I'm sure a bunch do.

They were told growing up "God is real",

Believe it or not some people grow up atheists and convert to a religion or are from one religion and convert to another.

"If you sin you're going to Hell",

You say religion and you're only speaking of Christianity. This makes you very closed minded to the points you're trying to speak of. You're talking about certain sects of Christianity that would say a thing like that. Not all Christian families are extremist and conservative bible bashers.

"blah blah blah God is awesome blah blah all loving, blah blah blah" etc.

If religion helps a person with what they need in life, so be it. If they aren't harming anyone else with their beliefs or pushing their beliefs on others in a NEGATIVE way, then I see nothing wrong. If you raise your child to a religion do not raise them saying, "You do this you go here, you eat this you go here, if you're gay you're going here". I am completely fine with a family raising their parents to a religion if they do not attend on harming them with that type of bullshit and let their children decide their faith (or lack there of) later on if they want to.

Which is why I agree that most of them are sheep (in that department). They'll just follow the herd without really thinking "Is it really logical to believe that there is an invisible man in the sky?".

So what? If it doesn't harm you, them, or anyone else then it's not a problem. If it does, then it's a problem. Don't group all religious people together as one. Don't group all Christians together as one. That is a stupid thing to do.


By the way, this post is coming from an atheist. I don't believe in a higher power. I used to be anti-religion to the core, but I've become much more accepting day by day.

[Dylan1]

Everyone is a sheep.

For every sentiment and ideal out there, more than one person believes in it or follows it. So it can be said that everyone is a follower or a sheep. You're simply thinking on a bigger scale.

[Abyssal Echo]

-Kip Kinkel

May not be the best person to quote here but hopefully you don't ban people right and left. Though I do think he has a point. I'll try to explain in the least offensive way possible.

Religious people don't really stop and think about their beliefs. They were told growing up "God is real", "If you sin you're going to Hell", "blah blah blah God is awesome blah blah all loving, blah blah blah" etc. Almost as if they have been programmed to believe in God. Which is why I agree that most of them are sheep (in that department). They'll just follow the herd without really thinking "Is it really logical to believe that there is an invisible man in the sky?".

Do you think that religious people are sheep? Why/Why not?
I hope I haven't crossed the line over to too offensive...

religeous people from what I've been told are searching for God so there fore are using their own innititive so are not following or being a sheep as you call it. never the less I do believe in God and Jesus's death and resurection even though I'm not an active church going Bible thumping Christian. in fact my last Pastor and his son seem to think I have nothing to offer anyone because I'm am a Gay person I did not feel the need to stay in church with a bunch of hypocrites. BTW two of the three churches he is pastor of have closed their doors. Gee I wonder why maybe its him that has nothing to offer his flock.

[Zarakly]

Where do you get the idea that "religious people don't stop and think about their beliefs"? I know a lot of religious people that stop and think. And we think for a good long time. We think about our God. We think about what we believe is after for us. We have proof of the events that have taken place in the bible. I actually stop and think about this subject many times. What if there is nothing? What if this was all just a waste? It's not like I'm missing out on a bunch of stuff anyway. If I live my whole life believing and I don't end up with a reward Oh well. I am fine with that. I don;t see the problem, on the other hand though if I do live my life believing and I do get a reward then so be it. Also if you do read and understand the bible you understand that the New Covenant means that you don;t have to worry about your sins anymore because God has already forgiven them once he had died on the cross. This does give you a lot more freedom, but it doesn't mean you can just go out and sin all day. I'm sure he would be grateful for some thankfulness. And btw, yes we are "sheep" in fact he would like that.
Psalm 23-
The Lord is my shepherd,
I shall not want;
He makes me lie down in green pastures.
He leads me beside still waters;
He restores my soul.
He leads me in paths of righteousness
for His name's sake.

Even though I walk through the valley
of the shadow of death,
I fear no evil;
for You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
all the days of my life;
and I shall dwell in the house of the
Lord forever.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Where do you get the idea that "religious people don't stop and think about their beliefs"? I know a lot of religious people that stop and think. And we think for a good long time. We think about our God. We think about what we believe is after for us. We have proof of the events that have taken place in the bible. I actually stop and think about this subject many times. What if there is nothing? What if this was all just a waste? It's not like I'm missing out on a bunch of stuff anyway. If I live my whole life believing and I don't end up with a reward Oh well. I am fine with that. I don;t see the problem, on the other hand though if I do live my life believing and I do get a reward then so be it. Also if you do read and understand the bible you understand that the New Covenant means that you don;t have to worry about your sins anymore because God has already forgiven them once he had died on the cross. This does give you a lot more freedom, but it doesn't mean you can just go out and sin all day. I'm sure he would be grateful for some thankfulness. And btw, yes we are "sheep" in fact he would like that.
Psalm 23-
The Lord is my shepherd,
I shall not want;
He makes me lie down in green pastures.
He leads me beside still waters;
He restores my soul.
He leads me in paths of righteousness
for His name's sake.

Even though I walk through the valley
of the shadow of death,
I fear no evil;
for You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
all the days of my life;
and I shall dwell in the house of the
Lord forever.

VERY GOOD POINT. Just saying.

[Sleepy Raisin]

Ugh!! Im so fucking sick of religious threads! I mean seriously, one starts up and atheists start throwin crap at "ALL" religious people and religious throwin crap back(or visa versa). I mean seriously do you REALLY think youre helping anything by calling God an "imaginary friend" or a "superstitious slave owner in the sky" frankly its just rude.

But to the OP, some people that believe in God maybe followers just cuz thats what they were told to believe and have no real proof. But not everyone is a sheep im most definitely not i have my writen and physical proof that God exsists, but yur opinion is your opinion and im in no way going to try to convert you or anyone else for that matter.

[Dylan1]

Maybe we like to debate because you say things like these.

"im most definitely not i have my writen and physical proof that God exsists"

Really. You must be the modern day Socrates. Please convert me.

[Sleepy Raisin]

Maybe we like to debate because you say things like these.

"im most definitely not i have my writen and physical proof that God exsists"

Really. You must be the modern day Socrates. Please convert me.

Im stating my opinion! Not trying to convert you. Did i say anywhere in there that i wanted everyone to believe in God? No.
And the word is 'this' not "these"

[Dylan1]

"Im stating my opinion! Not trying to convert you. Did i say anywhere in there that i wanted everyone to believe in God? No."

You don't get sarcasm, do you?

"And the word is this not these"

"Ugh!! Im so fucking sick of religious threads! I mean seriously, one starts up and atheists start throwin crap at "ALL" religious people and religious throwin crap back(or visa versa). I mean seriously do you REALLY think youre helping anything by calling God an "imaginary friend" or a "superstitious slave owner in the sky" frankly its just rude.

But to the OP, some people that believe in God maybe followers just cuz thats what they were told to believe and have no real proof. But not everyone is a sheep im most definitely not i have my writen and physical proof that God exsists, but yur opinion is your opinion and im in no way going to try to convert you or anyone else for that matter."


Ugh! I'm so fucking sick of religious threads! I mean seriously, one starts up and the atheists start throwing crap at "ALL" religious people and vice versa. Do you really think you're helping anything by calling God an "Imaginary friend", or a "superstitious slave owner in the sky"? Quite frankly, it's just rude.

To the OP, some people that believe in God do so because they were indoctrinated from birth. I don't think everyone is a sheep. I'm most definitely not, I have my written and physical proof that God exists. Your opinion is your opinion and I'm in no way going to try to convert you or anyone else for that matter.

I replied to it because you state your opinions outright as if they're fact. I wouldn't have had a problem with it if you hadn't said "I have proof that God exists."

[Noxail]

Humans as a species are sheep. It is our nature to follow and obey, and yes, some religions take it too far. But that may happen to anyone. Isn't unfair to section everyone off as mindless animals, merely because they believe in a god? What makes you any better than them? What makes you a goat in a sheep's world? Nothing. We all think the same way, we all have the same needs, and although some of us pray to Virgin Mary, some pray to God, or some don't pray at all, it doesn't change our state of mind. ~holli

[Sleepy Raisin]

You don't get sarcasm, do you

Hey! Its hard to classify sarcasm and .. Not sarcasm in a message

[Snookers]

♪ Sheep go to heaven, goats go to hell! ♪
But anyways, I would rather be a single "goat" in a sea of "sheep" and endure all the hate that they show to me, than to be one of them. Following a religion just because other people do it is a bit foolish,don't you think?
I personally dislike some of the christian priests (and christians) because they will bash every other religion or people who don't follow them...

[Thunderstorm]

Religious people don't really stop and think about their beliefs. They were told growing up "God is real", "If you sin you're going to Hell", "blah blah blah God is awesome blah blah all loving, blah blah blah" etc. Almost as if they have been programmed to believe in God. Which is why I agree that most of them are sheep (in that department). They'll just follow the herd without really thinking "Is it really logical to believe that there is an invisible man in the sky?".


Who said he was an invisible man in th sky? Maybe he/she is down here in earth, waiting for their time to shine. I do not think this is logical at all. If sheep weren't to follow the herd, what would happen to them? They would be left to fend for themselves.... :/