2012 Political Poll

[War-Is-Real]

So, pick your poison!

[WaffleSingSong]

So, pick your poison!

They both suck, and have very similar agendas with only minor modifications. But, Obama is the better one of two evils.

[TopGear]

Option C: Ron Paul <--- Thats my choice.

[huginnmuninn]

Option C: Ron Paul <--- Thats my choice.

yep me too

[WaffleSingSong]

yep me too

You both have been mislead by Idiots.

Ron Paul might have a good domestic and foreign policy, but his economic policy is bonkers. He thinks that the economy can be completely free and can not be regulated. However, All that will do is let corporations take over the economy and turn it even more into a corporate state. Laisezz Faire will never work, and his chances of getting elected are very slim. Also, He is quite a idiot in other parts of the world.

"Mr.Paul, what do you think about the situation in Libya?"

"Libya?"

I rest my case.

[War-Is-Real]

Obama is the WORSE of the two evils. In four years, the economy has fallen to a level lower than when Jimmy Carter was president. He raised $8 trillion dollars in debt, and Obama care [only supposed to be $300,000] has already used up to $9 billion dollars.
Obama, if remained president, will bankrupt this country. No question. And if the senate remains democratic, America will go bankrupt. Either way though, Obama put so deep in a hole that not even RONALD REAGON could fix it.

[Abyssal Echo]

Option C: Ron Paul <--- Thats my choice.

works for me :D

[WaffleSingSong]

Obama is the WORSE of the two evils. In four years, the economy has fallen to a level lower than when Jimmy Carter was president. He raised $8 trillion dollars in debt, and Obama care [only supposed to be $300,000] has already used up to $9 billion dollars.
Obama, if remained president, will bankrupt this country. No question. And if the senate remains democratic, America will go bankrupt. Either way though, Obama put so deep in a hole that not even RONALD REAGON could fix it.

It was not his fault. Bush was the one who originally settled into it. Obama just inherited it. And a lot of Democrats have saved our economy. *cough* FDR *cough*

Besides, It's economic competition. Other developing nations like China, Russia, South Africa and Brazil are bringing our jobs to there nations. Obama can not really do anything.

[War-Is-Real]

Obama can do alot of shit.
I agree, but this batch of democrats compare Obama to God.

[WaffleSingSong]

Obama can do alot of shit.
I agree, but this batch of democrats compare Obama to God.

As a left-winger, A FAR left-winger, I despise him.

[War-Is-Real]

... :T
Mmmmmmmmmmmm

[WaffleSingSong]

... :T
Mmmmmmmmmmmm

Look at my first post. You will see that I am not lying. He is nowhere near a Socialist, he could even run for Republican and it would not be completely bullshit.

[Jess]

eh, I prefer Obama to Romney...

[Foamy]

Is there an option d?


For who gives a damn?

[Iron Man]

Is there an option d?


For who gives a damn?

And an option E for "every last one of them can suck my balls"
Or an option F for "Fuck it, I'm moving to Canada"?

[WaffleSingSong]

And an option E for "every last one of them can suck my balls"
Or an option F for "Fuck it, I'm moving to Canada"?

I like those :D

[ThUnDeR]

Gary Johnson! Down with the two party system. You should have added a third option, because I refuse to "vote" for either one of those people.

[War-Is-Real]

Eh, both will obliterate this poor country. Either way, we will be bankrupt and/or Iran when this upcoming term finishes.

[huginnmuninn]

It was not his fault. Bush was the one who originally settled into it. Obama just inherited it. And a lot of Democrats have saved our economy. *cough* FDR *cough*

Besides, It's economic competition. Other developing nations like China, Russia, South Africa and Brazil are bringing our jobs to there nations. Obama can not really do anything.

It's been four years since Bush stop saying that it was Bush's fault. Obama has made plenty of stupid decisions when it comes to the economy and has made it a lot worse on his own. If Obama could do anything to help he would have already and since he can't give someone else a chance.

[Christheman]

Obama is the WORSE of the two evils. In four years, the economy has fallen to a level lower than when Jimmy Carter was president. He raised $8 trillion dollars in debt, and Obama care [only supposed to be $300,000] has already used up to $9 billion dollars.
Obama, if remained president, will bankrupt this country. No question. And if the senate remains democratic, America will go bankrupt. Either way though, Obama put so deep in a hole that not even RONALD REAGON could fix it.

Thank you Obama an idiot asshole who is power hungry and likes his "fame". For crying out loud he was on Jimmy Falon! Like why is he on some comedic show and not fixing our nations debt. I do not know much about Romney but anyone but Obama!

[Christheman]

It was not his fault. Bush was the one who originally settled into it. Obama just inherited it. And a lot of Democrats have saved our economy. *cough* FDR *cough*

Besides, It's economic competition. Other developing nations like China, Russia, South Africa and Brazil are bringing our jobs to there nations. Obama can not really do anything.

Stop acting like you know everything and watch the fucking news. Fucking Clinton dumped the shit on Bush and Bush had trouble fixing it! Besides Democrats act like socialists and socialism is good in theory but shitty in real life. Just look at Cuba. stop listening to your fucking democratic dumbass parents and get your head out of your ass. We are 15 triilion dollars in debt. Also name other democrats that helped. thats right crickets.

[irishguy123]

I would say that Obama is just about the better candidate than Mitt Romney.

[WaffleSingSong]

Stop acting like you know everything and watch the fucking news. Fucking Clinton dumped the shit on Bush and Bush had trouble fixing it! Besides Democrats act like socialists and socialism is good in theory but shitty in real life. Just look at Cuba. stop listening to your fucking democratic dumbass parents and get your head out of your ass. We are 15 triilion dollars in debt. Also name other democrats that helped. thats right crickets.

Why would I watch the news? There the most biased things I have ever watched in my entire life.

How did Clinton "Dump the shit" on Bush? He made tons of economic growth and increased the number of jobs.

Democrats are not Socialists. In fact, Compared to most of Europe, Latin America and Australia, both Democrats and Republicans are right-winged political parties. May I present to you...

Socialist International, and there political parties that run each nation as of today!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Countries_governed_by_SI_parties.png/800px-Countries_governed_by_SI_parties.png

And you should also really look up how many Socialist parties are in main opposition in nations.

Hmm, Why is France, Norway, Finland, Australia, Brazil, Iceland and Ireland all in there? Why is China, Indochinese nations and Cuba are not on there?

Because, there State Capitalist. It's Capitalism, but the state control's it.

Also, Left-Winged nations populations are tend to have happier lifestyles than Right-winged nations.

Clinton did a good job with fixing the economy. The reasons? Look above at my comment. Now tell me, besides Reagan, What Republican president has ever fixed the Economy? Truth is, rarely anyone has from both political parties. So, shut it about that.

Oh yes, About my parents, There actually quite conservative. Contrary to popular belief, Russians are an extremely reactionary people. Me of course being a bad egg at that. So, shut it for something you do not even know about.

And, I loved how much you used "Fucking" and "Shit" a lot. And your grammar is almost pristine. Makes you look REAL mature.

P.S, I'm not a Democrat. I'm a Marxist. A Libertarian one to be exact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mII9NZ8MMVM This will explain why we have such a shitty economy. Corporations and Banks. And Romney LOVES Corporations and Banks! Heh, funny coincidence, eh?

[Christheman]

Why would I watch the news? There the most biased things I have ever watched in my entire life.

How did Clinton "Dump the shit" on Bush? He made tons of economic growth and increased the number of jobs.

Democrats are not Socialists. In fact, Compared to most of Europe, Latin America and Australia, both Democrats and Republicans are right-winged political parties. May I present to you...

Socialist International, and there political parties that run each nation as of today!
image (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Countries_governed_by_SI_parties.png/800px-Countries_governed_by_SI_parties.png)

And you should also really look up how many Socialist parties are in main opposition in nations.

Hmm, Why is France, Norway, Finland, Australia, Brazil, Iceland and Ireland all in there? Why is China, Indochinese nations and Cuba are not on there?

Because, there State Capitalist. It's Capitalism, but the state control's it.

Also, Left-Winged nations populations are tend to have happier lifestyles than Right-winged nations.

Clinton did a good job with fixing the economy. The reasons? Look above at my comment. Now tell me, besides Reagan, What Republican president has ever fixed the Economy? Truth is, rarely anyone has from both political parties. So, shut it about that.

Oh yes, About my parents, There actually quite conservative. Contrary to popular belief, Russians are an extremely reactionary people. Me of course being a bad egg at that. So, shut it for something you do not even know about.

And, I loved how much you used "Fucking" and "Shit" a lot. And your grammar is almost pristine. Makes you look REAL mature.

P.S, I'm not a Democrat. I'm a Marxist. A Libertarian one to be exact.

Whatever debating with fools is fruitless. Good Day sir.

[WaffleSingSong]

Whatever debating with fools is fruitless. Good Day sir.

You could at least explain why I am a fool...*turns into Yoda* A really good debate tip, that is!

[War-Is-Real]

You democrats are all the same. Clinton fucked the hell out the economy. Bush did try to fix it, but put fucked up shit in there too. If Mitt Romney wins the presidency, the shit Obama caused will be dumped onto him. If Obama remains in office, we are fucking screwed.
Mitt Romney has run a business, been in politics, and is an unquestionable American.
You can't say Obama has any those.
Mitt Romney help his place in his area of politics.
Socialist Countries:
Russia
China
Cuba
Vietnam
North Korea
97% of Europe [Ukraine; Turkey]
99% of the Middle East [Pakistan; Yemen]
76% of Africa, [Egypt; Somalia]
Need I go on?

[TopGear]

Stop acting like you know everything and watch the fucking news. Fucking Clinton dumped the shit on Bush and Bush had trouble fixing it! Besides Democrats act like socialists and socialism is good in theory but shitty in real life. Just look at Cuba. stop listening to your fucking democratic dumbass parents and get your head out of your ass. We are 15 triilion dollars in debt. Also name other democrats that helped. thats right crickets.

Take it down a few notches killer. No need for foul language and brining in of the parents. There is a deference between debating and going ape shit on someone. ;)

~TopGear

[War-Is-Real]

...wtf

[TopGear]

You democrats are all the same. Clinton fucked the hell out the economy. Bush did try to fix it, but put fucked up shit in there too. If Mitt Romney wins the presidency, the shit Obama caused will be dumped onto him. If Obama remains in office, we are fucking screwed.
Mitt Romney has run a business, been in politics, and is an unquestionable American.
You can't say Obama has any those.
Mitt Romney help his place in his area of politics.
Socialist Countries:
Russia
China
Cuba
Vietnam
North Korea
97% of Europe [Ukraine; Turkey]
99% of the Middle East [Pakistan; Yemen]
76% of Africa, [Egypt; Somalia]
Need I go on?

I don't get all the Obama bashing, He has had 4 years to fix a almost 12 year mess. Simple logic, I don't care for what Obama is about, but if it was between Romney and Obama, I would give Obama his second term. You can't fix a 12 year mess in 4 years. Just doesn't work that way. If this was Obama's second term and we didn't have a term limit, then I could see where you guys are going.

[War-Is-Real]

I don't get all the Obama bashing, He has had 4 years to fix a almost 12 year mess. Simple logic, I don't care for what Obama is about, but if it was between Romney and Obama, I would give Obama his second term. You can't fix a 12 year mess in 4 years. Just doesn't work that way. If this was Obama's second term and we didn't have a term limit, then I could see where you guys are going.


I can.
Dept: Stop spending it on unnessicary bullshit
Money: NASA becomes independant, raise taxes for the richer people, buy shit that's useful.
Crime: Raise and lower fines based on income, Increase penalties for horrid crimes [murder, illegal possesion] Give everbody 12+ a gun
Unemployment rate: Stop government checks in one month, forcing those to get a job.
U.S. will be fixed in 3-5 years.

[TopGear]

I can.
Dept: Stop spending it on unnessicary bullshit
Money: NASA becomes independant, raise taxes for the richer people, buy shit that's useful.
Crime: Raise and lower fines based on income, Increase penalties for horrid crimes [murder, illegal possesion] Give everbody 12+ a gun
Unemployment rate: Stop government checks in one month, forcing those to get a job.
U.S. will be fixed in 3-5 years.

-Please source what you believe is "unnecessary bullshit"

-NASA Has already had it's funds cut, and is used by our Military. Making it independent isn't happening. Raising taxes on the Top 1% isn't a bad idea... it's actually doing it seems to be the issue. What exactly do you mean by " buy shit that's useful"?

Obama has been one behind raising taxes on the 1%. He said that from day one.

- Awful idea, it's known that in poverty stricken areas are high crime areas so those areas have high unemployment rates which would mean those 'fines' would be nothing because their income is nothing. Giving everyone over the age of 12 a firearm is the more ridiculous idea that I have ever heard. Im a firm believer in the second Amendment but, I don't ever want to live in a country where 12 year olds are running around with weapons that can end life.

- Who are you stopping those government checks to? To SS receivers? To unemployment? To welfare?

Please source how you got your your '3-5 years' fix.

[War-Is-Real]

-Please source what you believe is "unnecessary bullshit" Personal items; government trips meant to fail.
-NASA Has already had it's funds cut, and is used by our Military. Making it independent isn't happening. Raising taxes on the Top 1% isn't a bad idea... it's actually doing it seems to be the issue. What exactly do you mean by " buy shit that's useful"?
A: Well, if NASA goes independant, All of the government fund to NASA can go to other things, and NASA can get their funds elsewhere and get workers who give a shit
B: How so?
C: I dunno, Government funds could go to other useful products, you know upgraded weapons, larger [anti-nuclear of course] bombs.
- Awful idea, it's known that in poverty stricken areas are high crime areas so those areas have high unemployment rates which would mean those 'fines' would be nothing because their income is nothing. Giving everyone over the age of 12 a firearm is the more ridiculous idea that I have ever heard. Im a firm believer in the second Amendment but, I don't ever want to live in a country where 12 year olds are running around with weapons that can end life.
A: They are recieving $500,000 a month. $200 fine
B: Ok, I see your point, but if everyone else has a gun, murder rate falls because unlike terrorist, Americans care about life.
- Who are you stopping those government checks to? To SS receivers? To unemployment? To welfare?
Unemployment. Welfare is completely nessecary.
Please source how you got your your '3-5 years' fix.
Well, NASA effect would be imediate; dropping unnessecary funds would help our debt in 3-4 months; loss of long-term unemployment checks would help our unemployment rate in a month; speeding and litter crime would decrease in a year; felonies would all but vanish within a year of both possible bills being put in. And you can't throw all that shit at once. 3-5 years

[TopGear]

-Please source what you believe is "unnecessary bullshit" Personal items; government trips meant to fail.
-NASA Has already had it's funds cut, and is used by our Military. Making it independent isn't happening. Raising taxes on the Top 1% isn't a bad idea... it's actually doing it seems to be the issue. What exactly do you mean by " buy shit that's useful"?
A: Well, if NASA goes independant, All of the government fund to NASA can go to other things, and NASA can get their funds elsewhere and get workers who give a shit
B: How so?
C: I dunno, Government funds could go to other useful products, you know upgraded weapons, larger [anti-nuclear of course] bombs.
- Awful idea, it's known that in poverty stricken areas are high crime areas so those areas have high unemployment rates which would mean those 'fines' would be nothing because their income is nothing. Giving everyone over the age of 12 a firearm is the more ridiculous idea that I have ever heard. Im a firm believer in the second Amendment but, I don't ever want to live in a country where 12 year olds are running around with weapons that can end life.
A: They are recieving $500,000 a month. $200 fine
B: Ok, I see your point, but if everyone else has a gun, murder rate falls because unlike terrorist, Americans care about life.
- Who are you stopping those government checks to? To SS receivers? To unemployment? To welfare?
Unemployment. Welfare is completely nessecary.
Please source how you got your your '3-5 years' fix.
Well, NASA effect would be imediate; dropping unnessecary funds would help our debt in 3-4 months; loss of long-term unemployment checks would help our unemployment rate in a month; speeding and litter crime would decrease in a year; felonies would all but vanish within a year of both possible bills being put in. And you can't throw all that shit at once. 3-5 years

Please rewrite this with the handy quote tool, Or space it out.

[War-Is-Real]

Um, you don't quote a survey, and that technically was a survey.
And the "- " is spacing enough.

[TopGear]

A: Well, if NASA goes independant, All of the government fund to NASA can go to other things, and NASA can get their funds elsewhere and get workers who give a shit


Here the thing, NASA isn't going to the public sector. Less funds are going to NASA now then when Bush was in Office.

and get workers who give a shit

Where do you get this from? Please explain your logic here.


B: How so?


How so what?


C: I dunno, Government funds could go to other useful products, you know upgraded weapons, larger [anti-nuclear of course] bombs.

Thats a great idea. Let's upgrade our weapons, like we don't have enough anyways. Thats a great way to spend government money. In most people's eyes that is the GOLDEN EXAMPLE of BULLSHIT SPENDING.


A: They are recieving $500,000 a month. $200 fine


200 dollars is nothing to a man making 500,000 dollars a month... I have received bigger fines for the stupid stuff I have done on a fraction of what that man is making.


B: Ok, I see your point, but if everyone else has a gun, murder rate falls because unlike terrorist, Americans care about life.


Giving everyone else a gun isn't going to make the murder rate fall... If you start handing out firearms to everyone it causes a domino effect, One person fires their firearm then the person who was fire aponed will fire there's then the person who doesn't have the slightest fucking clue of what's going on is going to fire his killing the person who was protecting himself. It just turns into a huge gun fight... That I want nothing about.


Unemployment. Welfare is completely nessecary.


Why take down unemployment... You are targeting those who are out of work , but still have a family to take care of and provide for.

Also how is Welfare completely necessary -- Correct spelling by the way.


Well, NASA effect would be imediate; dropping unnessecary funds would help our debt in 3-4 months; loss of long-term unemployment checks would help our unemployment rate in a month; speeding and litter crime would decrease in a year; felonies would all but vanish within a year of both possible bills being put in. And you can't throw all that shit at once. 3-5 years
[/QUOTE]


-Cutting one government agency such as NASA isn't even going to make a dent in our debt.

-How in the world would cutting unemployment checks Help our unemployment rate in a single month?

- There will always be crime. Im still laughing at the fact that you think felonies offenses would vanish.

IF this was even remotely possible... it would take more then 3 - 5 years.

Sorry bud. Your 14 and don't see the whole world as I do. I've been around a a little more to know that this is sadly not possible.

[War-Is-Real]

Or, like most other people, you disregard this as bullshit before running it through your head.

[TopGear]

No, Im just more knowledgeable in this topic. Im in the process of getting my BA in Political science, with a minor in Economics.

[War-Is-Real]

Have fun.
I don't really give a shit.
I have played these all in my head with several different outcomes. Oh, and online simulators. so FTW

[TopGear]

Here's a little tip for you big guy, just because you have played something out in your head doesn't make it real, or is it going to have the same effect. Also online simulators are simulators, meaning they simulate what is suppose to happen and not what really happens. What happens and what is suppose to happen are two total stories.

Ie: The Titanic; It was suppose to be the world's largest unsinkable ship... Im sure they simulated it hundreds of times, but what really happened it hit an ice burg and sunk on its maiden voyage.

[WaffleSingSong]

You democrats are all the same. Clinton fucked the hell out the economy. Bush did try to fix it, but put fucked up shit in there too. If Mitt Romney wins the presidency, the shit Obama caused will be dumped onto him. If Obama remains in office, we are fucking screwed.
Mitt Romney has run a business, been in politics, and is an unquestionable American.
You can't say Obama has any those.
Mitt Romney help his place in his area of politics.
Socialist Countries:
Russia
China
Cuba
Vietnam
North Korea
97% of Europe [Ukraine; Turkey]
99% of the Middle East [Pakistan; Yemen]
76% of Africa, [Egypt; Somalia]
Need I go on?

Again, none of the Asian nations or Cuba are socialist, there State Capitalist. And Im sure Out of 97%, 99% and 76% with the exception of the Middle East, more than half of those are without a doubt a democratic Republic.

Russia? Are you kidding me? Russia is the most reactionary nation on earth. There more like Fascists rather than Socialists! Why I know this? I was born there, and visit there many times. Medvedev was a breath of air (not fresh, but AIR) unlike that toxic gas that is Putin.

Mitt Romney has ran a dirty corporation. They ruin small businesses and adsorb them in there empires of poor labor and service! Thats nothing to be proud of.

So has Obama, He held Illinois Senate, U.S Senate, was a key member in the Democratic National Convention in 2004 and he is now the President. So, yes, I think he has done some political work.

Obama is an American. Is there any evidence of him not being one, you know, ACTUAL proof? I think the Government, Progressives or Conservatives, would pick up on that if he was not and would impeach him.

Like your friend there, Love how you use "Fucking" a lot. And, Clinton only did great things to the Economy. The only stain on his career was the affair, and that's not even the worse thing a modern president has done. Whats my take on that? Watergate Scandal. Either that, or the attempt to re-segregate the White House.

[irishguy123]

Why vote for a republican candidate after the mess caused by George Bush II as president of America? Part of the reason that America is in recession is due to the wars that were entered in which the US billions of dollars. Also I believe that part of the reason that Romney has little chance of being elected is due go the fact that die-hard democrats will vote Obama but not all die-hard republicans will not vote for Romney due to the smear campaign against him because of his Religion. (which is wrong, I am not saying that it is right.) I think Obama is a better candidate. Alot of people criticise the job he has done as president with increasing unemployement but I do not feel it is his fault. He inheareted the country in a mess when elected after the failure of GB II!

[irishguy123]

I also disagree with what people say when they claim that the Democrats are so called "socialists!"
THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT SOCIALISTS! I know even just by comparing the democrats with the socialist party in Ireland. The party is radical and far left. Throughout my continent of Europe the Socialist parties are radical with radical ideas.
Before you label democrats as Socialists you must understand the concept of what socialism is and understand their ideas and give examples of socialst parties instead of being THICK and BULLHEADED about it and continually calling them socialists without understanding socialism!

[War-Is-Real]

Democrats aren't socialist.
Socialists are Socialists
Communists are communists.
America is a republic.
And don't put Republicans on blast because of GWB

[irishguy123]

Why not? Just out of interest, I am complaining about them because of their failed policies and entering into war which cost Americans billions of dollars. And who was the president when all this happened under Alex? Ahh yes I remember now George Bush, so yes I will criticise the Republicans and George because the man running for president has changed but I feel the policies are very alike today

[War-Is-Real]

You can't put people on blast based on one person. Democrats have in fact caused their own fair share of destruction.

[TopGear]

You can't put people on blast based on one person. Democrats have in fact caused their own fair share of destruction.

Please source.

[WaffleSingSong]

Please source.

Even though im a left winger, Im a Independent and hate some things the Democrats has done. Like, for an example, the Trail of Tears and the Democrats were the ones who had protected slavery because back then slaves were not people, but "property."

Also, Woodrow Wilson was the worse democratic president in U.S History. He wanted to re-segregate the White House!