Gun Law in US

[Magus]

There, I made the thread. You can all have it here.

Do you think there should be a reform in Gun Laws and its possesion and monitoring, or that everyone should be a gun totting trigger-happy gunslinger?

Shoot it all out!

[Randomguy1]

I personally think they need to be more strict in certain states after the Colorado massacre

[Professional Russian]

that wasnt a massacre.

What you need to do here is you need to take the guns from the crazys and give the good people. sure the crazy guys will still get guns because a black market will form. well there isnt reall a way to stop the crazy people from getting guns and banning guns will only make it worse. what most people dont see is that there are other places to get guns illegally its not that hard if you know the right people you can anything you want as long as you have the money. I dont know how you guys think banning guns wll make eveything better the reality is it wont.

[Iron Man]

that wasnt a massacre.

If that wasn't a massacre, the Holocaust was a wet t-shirt contest.

What you need to do here is you need to take the guns from the crazys and give the good people.

Who do you define as "good people"?

[Cicero]

I think that everyone should carry a gun with it being legal. Look at Texas, I haven't heard many big crimes there, because everyone can carry a gun. Anyone who has a mental illness what so ever should not be permitted to carry one, and anyone (of course) who has been to jail (or the jail for minors I forgot the name) in the past should not be allowed to have one. Anyone with a past of abuse also shouldn't have one. That's just my opinion.

[Iron Man]

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If I didn't post it, someone else would have.

[Professional Russian]

If that wasn't a massacre, the Holocaust was a wet t-shirt contest.

are you fucking stupid or somehing? You cant compare a shooting that killed like 20 people to the holocaust that killed millions. even i make more sense than that.

Who do you define as "good people"?

good people: People with no mental problems, dont have any big offenses on their record and that havent been jail. simple as that.

[Iron Man]

are you fucking stupid or somehing? You cant compare a shooting that killed like 20 people to the holocaust that killed millions. even i make more sense than that.
mas·sa·cre (ms-kr)
n.
1. The act or an instance of killing a large number of humans indiscriminately and cruelly
Sounds like a massacre to me (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/massacre)

good people: People with no mental problems

So, a bipolar person who didn't choose to be bipolar isn't a good person? For that matter, autistics, alzheimers patients, and anorexics are now the worst kinds of people because they have mental illnesses?

[Professional Russian]

mas·sa·cre (ms-kr)
n.
1. The act or an instance of killing a large number of humans indiscriminately and cruelly
Sounds like a massacre to me (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/massacre)

20 people arent a large number of humans. theres 7 billion people on the earth 20 people is extremely small. and tell me how do you compare that shooting to the holocaust

[MisterSix]

What you need to do here is you need to take the guns from the crazys and give the good people.

What happens when the 'good people' turn into 'crazies'? They still have guns legally but they go and do bad things with them. It happened in New Zealand and they made a movie out of it (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0839938/).

[Professional Russian]

What happens when the 'good people' turn into 'crazies'? They still have guns legally but they go and do bad things with them. It happened in New Zealand and they made a movie out of it (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0839938/).

ok so a few people crack. they either have guns legally or illegally. which one you want?

[Iron Man]

20 people arent a large number of humans. theres 7 billion people on the earth 20 people is extremely small. and tell me how do you compare that shooting to the holocaust

Innocent people were killed mercilessly, just like the holocaust. Oh, and unprovoked, I might add.

ok so a few people crack. they either have guns legally or illegally. which one you want?

So, a perfectly normal person obtains guns legally, and he experiences something in his life that makes him change. He still had those guns legally.

[Professional Russian]

Innocent people were killed mercilessly, just like the holocaust. Oh, and unprovoked, I might add.

but you still cant compare it to the holocaust its just not logical. so a few people were killed by a crazy guy it happens alot im gonna go with 2 a year or so you just dont hear about them. (Random guess on how many happen not true fact)


So, a perfectly normal person obtains guns legally, and he experiences something in his life that makes him change. He still had those guns legally.

OK so he gets charged on murder with how ever many people he killed. if he had an illegeal gun he would have been chanrged with murder and illegal possession of a deadly weapon

[Iron Man]

but you still cant compare it to the holocaust its just not logical. I just made two comparisons, or did you not read those either?

so a few people were killed by a crazy guy it happens
Does the name, Adolf Hitler, ring a bell?

you just dont hear about them.

I'm cracking up right now, just because they don't make national news, doesn't mean they don't have serious repercussions.

[Professional Russian]

I just made two comparisons, or did you not read those either?

but its just not logical but i quit with this

Does the name, Adolf Hitler, ring a bell?

ah a true genius. man was a fucking genius


I'm cracking up right now, just because they don't make national news, doesn't mean they don't have serious repercussions.

I never said they dont have repercussions i said you just dont hear about them



So, a bipolar person who didn't choose to be bipolar isn't a good person? For that matter, autistics, alzheimers patients, and anorexics are now the worst kinds of people because they have mental illnesses?

they're not bad people but do to their mental illness they are not entitled to own a gun.

[Cicero]

mas·sa·cre (ms-kr)
n.
1. The act or an instance of killing a large number of humans indiscriminately and cruelly
Sounds like a massacre to me (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/massacre)



So, a bipolar person who didn't choose to be bipolar isn't a good person? For that matter, autistics, alzheimers patients, and anorexics are now the worst kinds of people because they have mental illnesses?

He's a good person, but shouldn't be allowed to have a gun because he has such mood swings. Mood swings that might turn out deadly. Anyone who has a mental illness that affects chemicals (none like anorexics or anything like that, but more feelings and emotions) shouldn't be permitted to have a gun. That's pretty fair.

It's like how car insurance is more for teens, they're more of a risk than anyone else. Thats fair.

[Iron Man]

but its just not logical but i quit with this
Probably for the best, since pretty much everybody has proven you wrong, and you only continue to say "everyone is an idiot but me, I have my own sources, guns, guns, guns!"


ah a true genius. man was a fucking genius

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I never said they dont have repercussions i said you just dont hear about them

I'm failing to understand your point on why people don't hear about those stories.

[Professional Russian]

Probably for the best, since pretty much everybody has proven you wrong, and you only continue to say "everyone is an idiot but me, I have my own sources, guns, guns, guns!"

im not calling people idiots im saying that most of thenews are corrupt and controled by thje government



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No im deads serious hitler was a genius. what he did was wrong but he was genius




I'm failing to understand your point on why people don't hear about those stories.

because they're not really news anymore. everyone knows that gang shooting happen everyday usually multiple people get killed in them. its just not new news anymore everyone knows about it

[Iron Man]

im not calling people idiots im saying that most of thenews are corrupt and controled by thje government
Does this sound familar?
are you fucking stupid or somehing? You cant compare a shooting that killed like 20 people to the holocaust that killed millions. even i make more sense than that.





No im deads serious hitler was a genius. what he did was wrong but he was genius

So was Kim Jong Il, I suppose. The Dear Leader brought prosperity to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea! Praise the Dear Leader!!!

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120403014546/dragonball/images/b/be/Misc-are-you-fucking-kidding-me-clean-l.png





because they're not really news anymore. everyone knows that gang shooting happen everyday usually multiple people get killed in them. its just not new news anymore everyone knows about it
I'll be sure to tell the next family who has a relative killed in a drive by "Your son isn't special, this happens every day. Just get over it."

[Professional Russian]

Does this sound familar?



it was a stupid post its not logical




So was Kim Jong Il, I suppose. The Dear Leader brought prosperity to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea! Praise the Dear Leader!!!

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because was dumber than dogshit sure



I'll be sure to tell the next family who has a relative killed in a drive by "Your son isn't special, this happens every day. Just get over it."

Car Accident happens multiple times a day. they wouldnd be special

[Cicero]

Does this sound familar?








So was Kim Jong Il, I suppose. The Dear Leader brought prosperity to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea! Praise the Dear Leader!!!

image (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120403014546/dragonball/images/b/be/Misc-are-you-fucking-kidding-me-clean-l.png)






I'll be sure to tell the next family who has a relative killed in a drive by "Your son isn't special, this happens every day. Just get over it."

hitler was tho actually a genius and a very charismatic man. That's how he captivated Germany in the first place.

But yeah it does happen everyday. If I had a relative killed I would know stuff happens that's bad everyday. And yes, you should say that to the next family.

[Iron Man]

it was a stupid post its not logical


But, you did say it, then you denied it.






because was dumber than dogshit sure

Um, ok?

Car Accident happens multiple times a day. they wouldnd be special

Ever have a relative die in a car accident, or any other preventable incident that happens every day?

[Professional Russian]

But, you did say it, then you denied it.








Um, ok?



Ever have a relative die in a car accident, or any other preventable incident that happens every day?

yeah i have

[Iron Man]

yeah i have

Then you know the pain and suffering you and your family went through. How would you feel if someone came up to you at their funeral and said "many others died the same way. They aren't special"?

[Cicero]

Then you know the pain and suffering you and your family went through. How would you feel if someone came up to you at their funeral and said "many others died the same way. They aren't special"?

Why would they? Lol

[Professional Russian]

Then you know the pain and suffering you and your family went through. How would you feel if someone came up to you at their funeral and said "many others died the same way. They aren't special"?

yeah except he as..shot. defending this country. people he wasnt special id yeah he isnt hes like rest that died for a good cause

[Iron Man]

Why would they? Lol

Because, like the Professional Russian pointed out, incidents like that happen every day, but they don't get national attention, and like I pointed out, people are dicks who don't filter their minds.

yeah except he as..shot. defending this country. people he wasnt special id yeah he isnt hes like rest that died for a good cause

So, I assume it is safe to say, that the person who would say that they aren't special to you would be walking away on crutches?

[Professional Russian]

Because, like the Professional Russian pointed out, incidents like that happen every day, but they don't get national attention, and like I pointed out, people are dicks who don't filter their minds.



So, I assume it is safe to say, that the person who would say that they aren't special to you would be walking away on crutches?

no. id be fine with it.

[Iron Man]

no. id be fine with it.

Interesting. How about, if the Westboro Baptist Church had picketed his funeral?

[Professional Russian]

Interesting. How about, if the Westboro Baptist Church had picketed his funeral?

Well i had to google seeing as how they seem to hate soldiers and hope they all die then id be pretty pissed off and id love to beat the shit out of them

[Iron Man]

Well i had to google seeing as how they seem to hate soldiers and hope they all die then id be pretty pissed off and id love to beat the shit out of them

I thought so. I rest my case.

[Professional Russian]

I thought so. I rest my case.

But thats different you have someone telling me its normal which it is so i wouldnt mind but when you have a hate group protesting it its a little different dont you think?

[Iron Man]

But thats different you have someone telling me its normal which it is so i wouldnt mind but when you have a hate group protesting it its a little different dont you think?

Let me rephrase. I rest my case, for now. My hands are about to fall off from all of the typing.

[Professional Russian]

Let me rephrase. I rest my case, for now. My hands are about to fall off from all of the typing.

Well since we're off topic...alot ill just wait till one of the "Great Minds Of VT" Show up

[MisterSix]

Well since we're off topic...alot ill just wait till one of the "Great Minds Of VT" Show up

No. Keep going. I was enjoying that

[Professional Russian]

No. Keep going. I was enjoying that

well we dont want the thread locked now do we?

[MisterSix]

well we dont want the thread locked now do we?

This thread was created because you were off topic in a different thread... it was doomed from the start

[Professional Russian]

This thread was created because you were off topic in a different thread... it was doomed from the start

I always get off topic.

[ImCoolBeans]

So lets get back on topic ;)

[DerBear]

To be honest I really don't think the people of the USA needs guns. The UK have done fine without them.

With recent news about the Colorado shooting and other incidents like this over the years it really does show how the USA are so far up the constitutions ass that they don't see that the guns they give the citizens do more harm than good.

[Professional Russian]

To be honest I really don't think the people of the USA needs guns. The UK have done fine without them.

With recent news about the Colorado shooting and other incidents like this over the years it really does show how the USA are so far up the constitutions ass that they don't see that the guns they give the citizens do more harm than good.

Thats what you hear but you dont hear about people defending them selves with them.

[Destructive Impulse]

well people defend themselves every day with guns. They're not special.

[Magus]

Thats what you hear but you dont hear about people defending them selves with them.

We also hear people defending themselves with just sticks or with hand to hand combat.

Nothing special. Moving on.

[Destructive Impulse]

Haha some 80 year old woman tried to stop two thieves from robbing her sons gas station by throwing cans of mango at them. I'd say that is special

[Professional Russian]

We also hear people defending themselves with just sticks or with hand to hand combat.

Nothing special. Moving on.

You barely ever hear of people defending them selves with guns because the news doesnt want that. they want to portray guns as bad when they are a good thing

[PinkFloyd]

I think that after what happened in colorado, stores like gander mountain should be more careful.

Keep in mind that they ran background checks on the guy. He had one speeding ticket. thats it.

[Magus]

You barely ever hear of people defending them selves with guns because the news doesnt want that. they want to portray guns as bad when they are a good thing

No. I think we did. Not news exactly news, but other shows.
But so what? Thanks to those laws we have more people ready to shoot copper than those who have them.

[WaffleSingSong]

I do not mind the legalization of hunting rifles/shotguns, bows/crossbows, pistols and assault rifles where the Selective fire is fixed to single fire, but I even think that should be really expensive. Then again, I only say this because I hunt a lot XD and I only carry a BADASS Model 460v when I do (my family is loaded...) and just carry a Excalibur Vortex Crossbow as the primary weapon.

I do believe that there should be a lot of regulation. But, I do not believe of banning them completely. Most of what I said up there if used by the guy at the Aurora shooting he could of killed at least 2 people at the max, and more likely than not, none at all. Freedom is worth more than security, and most people here has probably not even fired a gun to know the rush you get when you do.

Again, I'm sure the founding fathers of the US did not know 200 years into the future we would have big 50.cal machine-guns and 10 gauge shotguns when they added the 2nd amendment.

Stance: A very wobbly neutral, slightly leaning twords restriction.

[Professional Russian]

No. I think we did. Not news exactly news, but other shows.
But so what? Thanks to those laws we have more people ready to shoot copper than those who have them.

The Laws The US has now are protect the citizens plus we have a constitution right to have guns but aside from that those laws are there to protect people not kill them. sure people can snap at anytime but there are people that wont and if they have a gun they can defend them selves. If the US were to get invaded and we had no guns we would not be able to protect our selves. Your gonna say the military will protect us and thats sum what true but in Iraq now the Iraqs are allowed to keep AK-47s in their homes even if the city is under US control. Why Cant I have a Colt M4 Commando In My basement(Ok thats not entiretly accurate because i am Getting a Colt M4 Commando when i get more money) But my main point why shoould Iraqs get guns which at anyminute could turn on the US and start shooting our soldiers up(Which if it happend they'd get slaughtered). But why cant the US have guns. Believe it or not the US does have good people that can handle having a gun and useing it for self defense. Ofcourse to get a gun though yuo shoul have no mental problems have Psych Evaluation and have a clean record( aside from DUIs and speeding tickets) and the age to legally buy any gun should be 18.

[Thanatos]

Hate to agree with the Russian, but I agree with the Russian. My stance on it is as long as you pass a Psych evaluation, have no mental illnesses, a clean record and are over 18, you should be able to own a gun.

Now if I live in a state/country where I know the large majority of people own guns, am I really going to try robbing someone? Or mugging someone?

Now you say "But look at Colorado, thats what happens when you give guns to people". What if out of the 75 people that were injured or killed, 1/2 of them owned handguns? Would that guy have been able to do what he did?

I'm not saying guns are going to solve all crime and no one will ever use them the wrong way or whatever, but they aren't the problem. Guns are a tool, same as computers, hammers, crowbars. They can be used for good, or for bad. I guarantee you that those people who want to use guns for violence and crime will find a way to obtain them no matter what restrictions you put in place, so why not allow innocents to defend themselves?

[Jess]

I'm eh on gun rights. Yes, people should be allowed guns, but there should obviously be background checks and all that before they should be allowed to buy a gun. It wouldn't do us any good if we had stricter gun control laws...bad idea.

My stance on it is as long as you pass a Psych evaluation, have no mental illnesses, a clean record and are over 18, you should be able to own a gun.

this.

[ImCoolBeans]

that wasnt a massacre.


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What? That wasn't a massacre? He killed 12 people and injured 58, dude. You are seriously out of your mind.

[StoppingTime]

Now you say "But look at Colorado, thats what happens when you give guns to people". What if out of the 75 people that were injured or killed, 1/2 of them owned handguns? Would that guy have been able to do what he did?

Yes, he absolutely would have be able to. He had:
Full bullet proof armor
6,000 rounds of ammunition
Tear gas
Gas mask
4 different firearms, one being an assault weapon.
If, say, 30 of them (50% as you said) had a gun, and for whatever ridiculous reason, brought it to a movie theater, more people would have gotten hurt. Nobody would know who was the true "shooter" if you will, so they'd all be shooting each other; turning it into even more af a massacre than it was.
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Here's a thought, why does anyone need to have an assault weapon?


I'm not saying guns are going to solve all crime and no one will ever use them the wrong way or whatever, but they aren't the problem. Guns are a tool, same as computers, hammers, crowbars. They can be used for good, or for bad. I guarantee you that those people who want to use guns for violence and crime will find a way to obtain them no matter what restrictions you put in place, so why not allow innocents to defend themselves?

This is just a fancy way of saying, "guns don't kill people, people kill people." But, if nobody had them, nobody would have died. I'm not saying that is the answer, but something to think about.

[Professional Russian]

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What? That wasn't a massacre? He killed 12 people and injured 58, dude. You are seriously out of your mind.

It wasnt a massacre more people get killed every day in the US than that. 12 people is small compared to the whole poulation



Here's a thought, why does anyone need to have an assault weapon?

This is just a fancy way of saying, "guns don't kill people, people kill people." But, if nobody had them, nobody would have died. I'm not saying that is the answer, but something to think about.


People need assualt weapons because the US gets attcacked we need a way to denfend our selves.

[StoppingTime]

It wasnt a massacre more people get killed every day in the US than that. 12 people is small compared to the whole poulation


A massacre is a killing where the perpetrator(s) are perceived to be in total control of force while the one(s) killed are perceived to be helpless and/or innocent


Let me just put this in perspective for you.

12 People. The youngest, being, six, I believe. Mercilessly killed by a gunman. They people were 100% innocent; the shooting was unprovoked. They had nothing to fight back with. Yes, people die every day. Not like this. And honestly, would it hurt you to be respectful to them? Why are you denying this anyway?


People need assualt weapons because the US gets attcacked we need a way to denfend our selves.

I want three creditable sources, any kind you'd like, proving this to me. Define "attacked." Define, "defend ourselves."
Why is a handhun not enough for a regular citizen?

[Professional Russian]

A massacre is a killing where the perpetrator(s) are perceived to be in total control of force while the one(s) killed are perceived to be helpless and/or innocent


Let me just put this in perspective for you.

12 People. The youngest, being, six, I believe. Mercilessly killed by a gunman. They people were 100% innocent; the shooting was unprovoked. They had nothing to fight back with. Yes, people die every day. Not like this. And honestly, would it hurt you to be respectful to them? Why are you denying this anyway?

A massacre is when a large number of people get killed. 12 dead and 58 injured are not a big number. if you dont consider 9/11 a massacre this sure as hell isnt. and by the way. i respect none unless they've done something with their lives and became successfull or you served in the military. Hell i dont even respect my parent because they're idiots theyve done nothing than work like mexicans


I want three creditable sources, any kind you'd like, proving this to me. Define "attacked." Define, "defend ourselves."
Why is a handhun not enough for a regular citizen?

I cant givea source for that its just logic if the US got invaded you think people are gonna defend them selves with bolt action lever action or pump action rifles against a force with automatics? its not possible we'd be over run quickly and handguns arent worth shit most of the time they're good for carrying for protecction but if i want to really do some damage i want something alot bigger and more deadly.

[Anselmo]

In my opinion, guns should only be used by law enforcement and military use. If people want to defend themselves, learn a martial art, this way they can defend themselfs and it's good for heath. Plus...a fight between two armed guys will not last long, but a fight between two guys unarmed is entertaining

[StoppingTime]

A massacre is when a large number of people get killed.

Nope. I'm the second one to give you the same definition, you're just wrong. There's no way out of this one.

A massacre is a killing where the perpetrator(s) are perceived to be in total control of force while the one(s) killed are perceived to be helpless and/or innocent


12 dead and 58 injured are not a big number.

I'm sure to all the husbands, wives, siblings, parents, and relatives, it's a big number.


if you dont consider 9/11 a massacre this sure as hell isnt.

Nobody mentioned anything about this, ever. I think people make too big a deal out of it, but I do think it is a massacre as well.


and by the way. i respect none unless they've done something with their lives and became successfull or you served in the military. Hell i dont even respect my parent because they're idiots theyve done nothing than work like mexicans


I'm not the one to tell you how to act or think, so I won't go here.



I cant givea source for that its just logic

If you can't provide evidence, I won't treat it as such.


if the US got invaded you think people are gonna defend them selves with bolt action lever action or pump action rifles against a force with automatics?

Bud, the US isn't "getting invaded" any time soon. And your precious military would protect us anyway. ;)


its not possible we'd be over run quickly and handguns arent worth shit most of the time they're good for carrying for protecction but if i want to really do some damage i want something alot bigger and more deadly.


You don't need to "do damage." If you must, have a weapon to protect yourself. Nothing more is really needed.

[Professional Russian]

In my opinion, guns should only be used by law enforcement and military use. If people want to defend themselves, learn a martial art, this way they can defend themselfs and it's good for heath. Plus...a fight between two armed guys will not last long, but a fight between two guys unarmed is entertaining

I dont think you understand what your saying your self. the bad guys will always get guns. there are many places to get them. if the bad guys have guns and good guys your fucked


Nope. I'm the second one to give you the same definition, you're just wrong. There's no way out of this one.

A massacre is a killing where the perpetrator(s) are perceived to be in total control of force while the one(s) killed are perceived to be helpless and/or innocent

I dont really give a fuck anyways

I'm sure to all the husbands, wives, siblings, parents, and relatives, it's a big number.

I dont give a fuck about them either



Nobody mentioned anything about this, ever. I think people make too big a deal out of it, but I do think it is a massacre as well.

good

If you can't provide evidence, I won't treat it as such.

its common fucking knowelge people need a way to defend them selves in case of attack plus they're fun..


Bud, the US isn't "getting invaded" any time soon. And your precious military would protect us anyway. ;)

I said it was unlikely and what if the military is out of country there wont be enough to defend the whole countrys




You don't need to "do damage." If you must, have a weapon to protect yourself. Nothing more is really needed.

The more damage the more enemy that die and thats a good thing

[StoppingTime]

I dont really give a fuck anyways
About what? The fact that we can prove things against you? Then just drop it and move on.



I dont give a fuck about them either


Again, in no way should I be telling you how to think or act. But I'll say this. To have no compassion for a tragedy, even if you don't know the people involved, is, yea...



its common fucking knowelge people need a way to defend them selves in case of attack plus they're fun..

It's not common knowledge, it's your own opinion. Back it up, or you don't deserve that opinion. People don't need assault weapons to defend themselves.

And to the second argument: guns are not toys.


I said it was unlikely and what if the military is out of country there wont be enough to defend the whole countrys

.....:yawn: Arguing hypothetical situations really makes no sense.

[Dwl4]

the whole colorado thing was terrible

[Professional Russian]

Yeah yeah edited all that fun stuff yada yada i need some more ice cream damn it

[crazydude71]

I think they should stay how they are

[huginnmuninn]

"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military"
William S. Burroughs
Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[ImCoolBeans]

I dont think you understand what your saying your self. the bad guys will always get guns. there are many places to get them. if the bad guys have guns and good guys your fucked




I dont really give a fuck anyways



I dont give a fuck about them either





good


its common fucking knowelge people need a way to defend them selves in case of attack plus they're fun..




I said it was unlikely and what if the military is out of country there wont be enough to defend the whole countrys






The more damage the more enemy that die and thats a good thing

You are the most immature and irrational poster on this board, I cannot take a single word you say seriously and I actually laugh. This post really goes to show that you cannot support any kind of serious debate in proper manner.

"plus they're fun" My god. You really have nothing better to say than that? That is the reason why people support heavier gun control/restrictions. Because people say things like that.

Also "I don't give a fuck about them" is probably the rudest thing you could possibly say. You are extremely disrespectful and lack taste. I really hope you don't go around with that kind of attitude all of the time, that's honestly just disgusting.

[Professional Russian]

You are the most immature and irrational poster on this board, I cannot take a single word you say seriously and I actually laugh. This post really goes to show that you cannot support any kind of serious debate in proper manner.

"plus they're fun" My god. You really have nothing better to say than that? That is the reason why people support heavier gun control/restrictions. Because people say things like that.

Also "I don't give a fuck about them" is probably the rudest thing you could possibly say. You are extremely disrespectful and lack taste. I really hope you don't go around with that kind of attitude all of the time, that's honestly just disgusting.

They are fun do you know the feeling of accomplishment when you make a 600-1000 yard shot? That feeling of accomplishment is unbelievable. and not mention the other fun i have with guns. Ive blown shit up ive ive done alot more things than the average 15 year old gets todo. Im not irrational i just enjoy something different than the rest of you. Better them than me

[Donkey]

Professional Russian i have nothing to say other than shut your noise. The UK has very strict gun controls so that they can only be used with license, and licenses are only issued if you have valid reason to use a gun - either for sport or legal hunting. If you live in a city, you're extremely unlikely. so... bad people still get guns on the black market of course, but by your logic good people can't defend themselves and so the problem gets worse?

--> In the United Kingdom in 2009 there were 0.07 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher, and for Germany 0.2.
(Wikipedia with a source from the UN)

now there are obviously problems in jumping the gun (excuse the pun) and tightening controls in America where there are already lots of guns around, but to suggest having easy access guns reduces gun crime or that it is generally a force for good is a statement that contradicts any evidence.

[Professional Russian]

Professional Russian i have nothing to say other than shut your noise. The UK has very strict gun controls so that they can only be used with license, and licenses are only issued if you have valid reason to use a gun - either for sport or legal hunting. If you live in a city, you're extremely unlikely. so... bad people still get guns on the black market of course, but by your logic good people can't defend themselves and so the problem gets worse?

--> In the United Kingdom in 2009 there were 0.07 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher, and for Germany 0.2.
(Wikipedia with a source from the UN)

now there are obviously problems in jumping the gun (excuse the pun) and tightening controls in America where there are already lots of guns around, but to suggest having easy access guns reduces gun crime or that it is generally a force for good is a statement that contradicts any evidence.

Ok my logic may not make sense to anyone for me. but try to undersand it for once. If you take guns away from people in the US the bad guys will still get them. They will get them through many different places. ive my share of fun with a few illegal guns.(well they were legal to the people tha owned them) and trust me i could get everyone of those guns in my hands in a week if i had the money and i wanted them that bad. The Government can not control gun trade. its like trying to control illegal drug use its gonna happen and its not possible to stop. In the US it is very easy to get guns illegally. my dad knew a state cop that wanted to sell him a few pistols with the serial numbers filed off. even the cops are trying to do it because they know that people will buy them and there is big money in guns these days im not sure exacttly how much but there is big money. and since you live in the UK you dont really know what its like here you only hear about it. there are shootings every night in the US and i dont think i need a source for that because its obvious. your not gonna be able to defend your self with a knife or a crow bar or a baseball bat when your staring down the barrell of a gun. thats about all i have to say for now any questions?

[ImCoolBeans]

Ok my logic may not make sense to anyone for me. but try to undersand it for once. If you take guns away from people in the US the bad guys will still get them. They will get them through many different places. ive my share of fun with a few illegal guns.(well they were legal to the people tha owned them) and trust me i could get everyone of those guns in my hands in a week if i had the money and i wanted them that bad. The Government can not control gun trade. its like trying to control illegal drug use its gonna happen and its not possible to stop. In the US it is very easy to get guns illegally. my dad knew a state cop that wanted to sell him a few pistols with the serial numbers filed off. even the cops are trying to do it because they know that people will buy them and there is big money in guns these days im not sure exacttly how much but there is big money. and since you live in the UK you dont really know what its like here you only hear about it. there are shootings every night in the US and i dont think i need a source for that because its obvious. your not gonna be able to defend your self with a knife or a crow bar or a baseball bat when your staring down the barrell of a gun. thats about all i have to say for now any questions?

Are you trying to say that there isn't a shooting somewhere in the UK every night? I'm damn sure there is. The reason there isn't a crime rate with guns in the UK like there is in the US is because they control it a bit, they don't let monkeys run around in the streets bucking off shots. Can you provide any statistical information at all please? I would really like to see you back up your argument as Jon has. If you can prove everybody wrong I'll crawl back into my hole and never peek my head out again.

How many times have you ever had to defend yourself in the streets with a gun? How many people do you know who have faced down the barrel of a gun? The US has a population of about 315 million people, of course there are going to be isolated incidents such as the one in the news headlines right now, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to go out and buy myself two glocks, an AK-47 and two shot guns so that when someone kicks in my front door ready to get blood I can be a hero.

[Donkey]

Ok my logic may not make sense to anyone for me. but try to undersand it for once. If you take guns away from people in the US the bad guys will still get them. They will get them through many different places. ive my share of fun with a few illegal guns.(well they were legal to the people tha owned them) and trust me i could get everyone of those guns in my hands in a week if i had the money and i wanted them that bad. The Government can not control gun trade. its like trying to control illegal drug use its gonna happen and its not possible to stop. In the US it is very easy to get guns illegally. my dad knew a state cop that wanted to sell him a few pistols with the serial numbers filed off. even the cops are trying to do it because they know that people will buy them and there is big money in guns these days im not sure exacttly how much but there is big money. and since you live in the UK you dont really know what its like here you only hear about it. there are shootings every night in the US and i dont think i need a source for that because its obvious. your not gonna be able to defend your self with a knife or a crow bar or a baseball bat when your staring down the barrell of a gun. thats about all i have to say for now any questions?
You are trying to argue against my point, backed with evidence, with absolutely no evidence at all. If usually law-abiding citizens didn't have guns in the first place, they would be less likely to use them on impulse if they get angry or have a disagreement with someone. I am sure this group of citizens makes up a large percentage of gun related homicide incidents.

The government cannot stop gun trade, but it can restrict it so guns are not accessible to those who do not want to break the law or jump through hoops to get them. In this case, less people will have guns and less people will use them on impulse.

I suggest you just look at the statistics for countries with strict gun control and those without.

[Iron Man]

since you live in the UK you dont really know what its like here you only hear about it.

Since you live in the U.S., you don't really know what it is like in the U.K. You only hear about it. Sound familar?

[SosbanFach]

I dont think you understand what your saying your self. the bad guys will always get guns. there are many places to get them. if the bad guys have guns and good guys your fucked

I couldn't agree more. Criminals are always going to be able to get guns, thus it makes perfect sense to make it easier for them to do so. This guy's onto something here! The US has the highest rate of gun-related injuries in the developed world; obviously the best way to reduce that is relaxation of gun laws. As for ordinary citizens committing crime, everybody knows that doesn't happen. Killing on impulse just doesn't happen, especially not if we make guns more accessible.



its common fucking knowelge people need a way to defend them selves in case of attack plus they're fun..

Well, there we have it- guns are fun! Have you ever heard a better excuse for relaxed laws? Also, as is quite clear to anyone with half a gram of sense, if everyone carried a gun on their person, gun crime would fall dramatically. Rather than having one person shooting in cases such as the horrific recent attack on a multiplex cinema in the US, you could have several, thus more bullets, and fewer deaths or injuries. In fact, while you're at it, send your child to school with a gun! They can defend themselves in an attack, and it can help alleviate boredom too!


I said it was unlikely and what if the military is out of country there wont be enough to defend the whole countrys


Why yes! In the unlikely case of invasion, while the military is out of the office and unable to take your call at the moment, and appropriate authorities are out on a day trip, it is clearly highly logical to have a heavily armed civilian population ready on hand to tackle any disturbance, such as a professional army considering itself fit to take on that of the US on their own soil, with firearms. That is the ideal way for law and order to thrive.



The more damage the more enemy that die and thats a good thing

Yes, more damage is equivalent to a greater loss to an opposition. Clearly, the armed civilians themselves wouldn't be harmed; what, after all, could possibly go wrong with an entire town set loose with firearms against a hypothetical enemy?

[WaffleSingSong]

...Am I the only one who is neutral on this subject? 0_0

...So tense...And I can not tell if it is just PR's zelious manner twords guns or the fact that this is actually a serious debate...

However, Really, for once in your life besides PR, FIRE. A. GUN. It's definitely one of the top 100 rushes you can feel in your veins. To be honest, everyone I think should at least have some experience with how guns work before trying to debate the issue. Just putting that out there.

[Cicero]

If we make gun owning illegal or only for special reasons, the criminals will always have a better advantage, they will always be able to supply the guns. Heroin is illegal, yet you can get heroin in almost any city. If we restrict guns for certain reasons, we're at a disadvantage. We should be able to defend ourselves, I'm Texas there are countless cases where guns have saved someone's life, because they're allowed to carry guns. They have very strict rules on who can and can't own a gun.


Oh, and the amendments say we have the right to bear arms! Obama is taking away our right slowly and everyone here is just encouraging him. Next thing you know his title will be Dictator Obama.

[Professional Russian]

Are you trying to say that there isn't a shooting somewhere in the UK every night? I'm damn sure there is. The reason there isn't a crime rate with guns in the UK like there is in the US is because they control it a bit, they don't let monkeys run around in the streets bucking off shots. Can you provide any statistical information at all please? I would really like to see you back up your argument as Jon has. If you can prove everybody wrong I'll crawl back into my hole and never peek my head out again.

I dont doubt that theres murders every night in the UK thats a fact also i cant deny that. We dont need more gun control we need more evaluations before being able to purchase a gun(is that gun control im too tired to think?) Sources or what. Because a=some of it comes out of my mind which is my opinion then there are some which i can back up facts.

How many times have you ever had to defend yourself in the streets with a gun? How many people do you know who have faced down the barrel of a gun? The US has a population of about 315 million people, of course there are going to be isolated incidents such as the one in the news headlines right now, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to go out and buy myself two glocks, an AK-47 and two shot guns so that when someone kicks in my front door ready to get blood I can be a hero.

Ive never had to defend my slef because where i live isnt a bad place. Im talking about being a hero when defending your self. If someone came into my house with a gun and i was forced to kill them to save myslef or the rest of my family i wouldnt want to be consider hero id actually everyone to leave me alone.

[WaffleSingSong]

Next thing you know his title will be Dictator Obama.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/428/%E0%B2%A0_%E0%B2%A0.jpg
Oh god, not one of these again...

[DerBear]

Thats what you hear but you dont hear about people defending them selves with them.

The UK defends themselves with hands or sticks or knives daily. The USA defends themselves with guns as they are AGAIN so far up there patriotic fucking constitution that they don't see guns do MORE harm than good.

very few people die a year on average due to gun related crime/incidents in the UK. Take a look at the USA that figure will be A LOT higher.

Now we come to another question. Why does the USA feel the need to have guns but the UK can live happily without them.

Also, guns are "fun" yeah, great reason to have them. Perhaps we should give guns to small children so when they go anywhere and get bored they can always shoot up the place to take the edge off.

Seriously Russian you are most weird thinker ever. Seriously the previous page when you said "I don't really give a fuck anyways" You must really be a heartless and arrogant person and so far up your little mind that you cannot even give a serious and logical debate.

EDIT, I only read up the where someone had quoted me so forgive me if something has been established in further posts.

[Professional Russian]

The UK defends themselves with hands or sticks or knives daily. The USA defends themselves with guns as they are AGAIN so far up there patriotic fucking constitution that they don't see guns do MORE harm than good.

very few people die a year on average due to gun related crime/incidents in the UK. Take a look at the USA that figure will be A LOT higher.

Now we come to another question. Why does the USA feel the need to have guns but the UK can live happily without them.

You knowhy we have guns? Because unlike the UK Hippies Some americans have the balls to defend ourselves and when defending ourselves we prefer to use deadly force so we the assalent wont get back up unliek you brits that use knives and pussy tools. Plus america has that beautiful thing called the second amendment which preserves my right to keep my guns.

Also, guns are "fun" yeah, great reason to have them. Perhaps we should give guns to small children so when they go anywhere and get bored they can always shoot up the place to take the edge off.


You know when your out in the middle of the woods camping and you have a few guns and a few explodingn targets they are actually. as said before i pretty sure none of have felt the feeling of accomplisment of shooting at 600-1000 yards and hiting the target every time. there arent many people that can do that. Guns arent a bad thing they are a good thing. taking them away will only make the problem.

Seriously Russian you are most weird thinker ever. Seriously the previous page when you said "I don't really give a fuck anyways" You must really be a heartless and arrogant person and so far up your little mind that you cannot even give a serious and logical debate.

EDIT, I only read up the where someone had quoted me so forgive me if something has been established in further posts.


Im not a weird thinker i think im about the only logical person here. most of you are from different countrie so you shouldnt even be in this debate and since in other countries you dont know what its like here you only here about it.

[Iron Man]

You knowhy we have guns? Because unlike the UK Hippies Some americans have the balls to defend ourselves

Patriotism at its worst.

unliek you brits that use knives and pussy tools.

When in the right hands, those "pussy tools" are quite deadly. Would you fuck with an SAS member who had a blunt object?

Plus america has that beautiful thing called the second amendment which preserves my right to keep my guns.

Why don't you get it tattooed to your ass?



Guns arent a bad thing they are a good thing. taking them away will only make the problem.

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Im not a weird thinker i think im about the only logical person here.

Coming from the guy who justifies lax gun control because "blowing shit up is fun"

most of you are from different countrie so you shouldnt even be in this debate

You're just mad because pretty much every one of those "hippie foreigners" shot down every single one of your fabricated arguments.

and since in other countries you dont know what its like here you only here about it.

Self-contradictory much?
Ive never had to defend my slef because where i live isnt a bad place.

Why do you insist on portraying America as one large crime-ridden ghetto?

[Fractured Silhouette]

You knowhy we have guns? Because unlike the UK Hippies Some americans have the balls to defend ourselves and when defending ourselves we prefer to use deadly force so we the assalent wont get back up unliek you brits that use knives and pussy tools. Plus america has that beautiful thing called the second amendment which preserves my right to keep my guns.

Pussy tools? What the actual fuck dude? Please stop posting in this thread it is clearly not for you. When trying to make a convincing argument you don't use words like "pussy" and "balls", it makes you sound immature and makes your arguments even more laughable than they already are.

I could create a whole essay on how police in England have effective means of defusing violent situations with minimum casualties. English police only use killing as a last resort, which is the way it should be. Also, just to think about, does it take more skill to disarm and defeat a criminal with a gun or with a baton?

Im not a weird thinker i think im about the only logical person here. most of you are from different countrie so you shouldnt even be in this debate and since in other countries you dont know what its like here you only here about it.

Lets look at some more logic. You say you're the only logical person on here and everyone else is wrong. Dude, if everyone and their dog disagree with you, do you really think that you are still correct? You have had no support, from anyone, everyone disagrees with you, so maybe you should try to accept the fact that your arguments are illogical, stupid and contain terrible grammar and spelling.

What difference does it make that people who are posting here are from another country? None. If they want to give their views and ideas they can, they give a different perspective that might indeed be helpful. Just like you give a different perspective, one of a person who is desperately trying to back-up an argument with terrible debating skills.

Okay, on to my idea on the whole gun laws. I'm trying to find a good middle-ground here so it allows people to defend themselves and strict gun laws. What about tasers in stead of guns? What if the public were allowed tasers? They're mostly a non-lethal self-defence method. Therefore in the hands of public it might minimize casualties and give the general public a means to defend themselves. Thoughts?

[Professional Russian]

Patriotism at its worst.



When in the right hands, those "pussy tools" are quite deadly. Would you fuck with an SAS member who had a blunt object?

Except for the fat i have a gun and they dont....

Why don't you get it tattooed to your ass?


No im gonna get tatooed down my left arm


Coming from the guy who justifies lax gun control because "blowing shit up is fun"

because it is fun to blow shit up...atleast i have fun wiht it


You're just mad because pretty much every one of those "hippie foreigners" shot down every single one of your fabricated arguments.

Im not mad at all i just the foriegners shouldnt be here not their country not their debate



Why do you insist on portraying America as one large crime-ridden ghetto?

I dont but there is crime every where just not where i live in nearly every city theres crime.

Pussy tools? What the actual fuck dude? Please stop posting in this thread it is clearly not for you. When trying to make a convincing argument you don't use words like "pussy" and "balls", it makes you sound immature and makes your arguments even more laughable than they already are.

Except im one of the only people here fighting for gun rights...

I could create a whole essay on how police in England have effective means of defusing violent situations with minimum casualties. English police only use killing as a last resort, which is the way it should be. Also, just to think about, does it take more skill to disarm and defeat a criminal with a gun or with a baton?

Except theres a higher chance of getting killed



Lets look at some more logic. You say you're the only logical person on here and everyone else is wrong. Dude, if everyone and their dog disagree with you, do you really think that you are still correct? You have had no support, from anyone, everyone disagrees with you, so maybe you should try to accept the fact that your arguments are illogical, stupid and contain terrible grammar and spelling.

What difference does it make that people who are posting here are from another country? None. If they want to give their views and ideas they can, they give a different perspective that might indeed be helpful. Just like you give a different perspective, one of a person who is desperately trying to back-up an argument with terrible debating skills. of you dont live the US you have no fucking clue what its like. UNlike you foreigners some o us americans have fun with guns. hell i couldnt live with out guns id starve

Okay, on to my idea on the whole gun laws. I'm trying to find a good middle-ground here so it allows people to defend themselves and strict gun laws. What about tasers in stead of guns? What if the public were allowed tasers? They're mostly a non-lethal self-defence method. Therefore in the hands of public it might minimize casualties and give the general public a means to defend themselves. Thoughts?

Public are allowed tazers and i have been tazed and shot so i know what its like...its not bad you really dont feel anything. id rather killem than tazem

[Iron Man]

Except for the fat i have a gun and they dont....

A highly trained SAS specialist vs....an overly conservative, ignorant, immature, misguided, and misled "American".


No im gonna get tatooed down my left arm

You do that.


because it is fun to blow shit up...atleast i have fun wiht it

Still doesn't justify lax gun control...




Im not mad at all i just the foriegners shouldnt be here not their country not their debate

Oh, I stumbled upon this, and I think you lost it. Your world map?

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=358724.0;attach=393947;image


I dont but there is crime every where just not where i live in nearly every city theres crime.

Exactly. Guns or not, crime will happen. Every city in America isn't Detroit, you know...


Except im one of the only people here fighting for gun rights...

Fighting without valid arguments.


Except theres a higher chance of getting killed

On the contrary... (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed.html)


of you dont live the US you have no fucking clue what its like.

But I do, and it isn't a warzone.



UNlike you foreigners some o us americans have fun with guns.

Ever hear of Columbine or Virginia Tech?


Public are allowed tazers and i have been tazed and shot so i know what its like...its not bad you really dont feel anything. id rather killem than tazem

*Sneezes* Oh, sorry. I'm allergic to bullshit.

[Fractured Silhouette]

Except im one of the only people here fighting for gun rights...


...

I wouldn't call this fighting for gun rights as it is flailing on the ground for gun rights.

of you dont live the US you have no fucking clue what its like. UNlike you foreigners some o us americans have fun with guns. hell i couldnt live with out guns id starve

So you're using the "it's just harmless fun" argument? You're talking about deadly weapons, I hope you realise that. It may seem like that you to you, but you can't be more incorrect.

Plus, if you want to have "fun" with guns, they should just go play a videogame, paintball, lazer-tag, or if you're really desperate to shoot a gun, go to a shooting range. Were the dangers are reduced to nearly zero and were they provide a gun for you. Were you can shoot targets to your hearts desire.

Public are allowed tazers and i have been tazed and shot so i know what its like...its not bad you really dont feel anything. id rather killem than tazem

Of course you would. You would rather take a persons life than disable and detain them. I refuse to argue with you further, you really need to get your ideals sorted out. Here's what I want you to do before you reply; learn what's important in life, learn to create a good argument and learn how to use grammar and spelling correctly. Until you have done these things, don't bother replying.

Have fun stroking your "rifle".

[Professional Russian]

A highly trained SAS specialist vs....an overly conservative, ignorant, immature, misguided, and misled "American".

Yeah....



Still doesn't justify lax gun control...

I never said less gun control






Oh, I stumbled upon this, and I think you lost it. Your world map?

image (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=358724.0;attach=393947;image)

No i have russia labeled Mother Russia




Exactly. Guns or not, crime will happen. Every city in America isn't Detroit, you know...

Exepct woth out guns it will be higher



On the contrary... (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed.html)

And thats a bunch of bullshit. you wouldnt even know if someones carrying a gun if its concealed


Ever hear of Columbine or Virginia Tech?

yeah...




*Sneezes* Oh, sorry. I'm allergic to bullshit.


No literally baught a tazer and a few 12 gauge rubber slugs and had my dad shoot. Why? because i wanted too.And at the point ive had a "few Drinks"

[Iron Man]

Yeah....

Yeah, no.


I never said less gun control

What exactly are you saying anymore?



Exepct woth out guns it will be higher

Where's your stats? Don't even say that "it's what you heard", or "my uncle told me"



No literally baught a tazer and a few 12 gauge rubber slugs and had my dad shoot. Why? because i wanted too.And at the point ive had a "few Drinks"

All the more reason for tighter gun controls. Thanks for your support!

[Professional Russian]

What exactly are you saying anymore?

I said this in the begining of the thread MOre Evaluations before you can legally own a gun



Where's your stats? Don't even say that "it's what you heard", or "my uncle told me"

Statistics show that Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between that year and 1991, Washington D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200%

Source (http://voices.yahoo.com/gun-free-zones-free-killing-zones-313032.html?cat=17)

All the more reason for tighter gun controls. Thanks for your support!

You mean tighter alcohol control

[Iron Man]

I said this in the begining of the thread MOre Evaluations before you can legally own a gun

I don't think they are just going to give anyone and their sex doll a gun because they like to blow shit up.


You mean tighter alcohol control
You mean prohibition? America tried that, didn't work. Did you fail history or something?

[Professional Russian]

I don't think they are just going to give anyone and their sex doll a gun because they like to blow shit up.



You mean prohibition? America tried that, didn't work. Did you fail history or something?
Yeah i know prohibtion failed. are finally happy i gave you a source

[Iron Man]

Yeah i know prohibtion failed. are finally happy i gave you a source

Like raising the white flag after all of your troops were killed and you yourself are being tried for war crimes.

[Professional Russian]

Like raising the white flag after all of your troops were killed and you yourself are being tried for war crimes.

ok im lost.....

[Iron Man]

ok im lost.....

...like finally using a special weapon once all of your cities were lost and you are in a bunker being surrounded by invading forces?

[Professional Russian]

...like finally using a special weapon once all of your cities were lost and you are in a bunker being surrounded by invading forces?

NUkem all

[Iron Man]

NUkem all

And you call others retarded?

[Professional Russian]

And you call others retarded?

ok im really lost now

[Iron Man]

Must I spell it out for you?

You decide to properly debate after you've lost.

[Professional Russian]

Must I spell it out for you?

You decide to properly debate after you've lost.

i lost the battle but no the war

[Iron Man]

i lost the battle but no the war

Ok...

[Professional Russian]

Ok...

the batlle was here but the war
is in
washington and im gonna win

[Iron Man]

the batlle was here but the war
is in
washington and im gonna win

Good luck getting past the bureaucrats, the people, and the guards.

[Professional Russian]

Good luck getting past the bureaucrats, the people, and the guards.

the NRA Already took care of that. me plus 4.3 million other people are fighting obama to keep our guns

[huginnmuninn]

i think that gun owners should take care of their guns better. what i mean by that is that they should make sure that they are kept in a safe place where no one can find them and if they own more than x number of guns they need to buy a gun safe to hold their guns. if someone loses their gun then they should report it to the police within x amount of days or any crime committed with that firearm is the responsibility of the gun owner. i don't think that assault weapons are the problem.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html
if someone wants to give a gun to someone they should report it. if someone sells a gun to someone they should report it. if a person sells a gun to a person who they know has committed a felony or sells a gun to known gang members then they should jailed for x amount of years and they should lose their ability to buy guns.
i think that the majority of gun owners who obtained their guns legally are responsible but some aren't.
the selling of guns from gun stores shouldn't be restricted further than it already is. It is an important part of the US economy. I honestly don't feel like taking the time to prove it but i believe that it is true based on the number of people i know who buy and sell firearms and ammo just in the small town that i live in.

[Cicero]

i think that gun owners should take care of their guns better. what i mean by that is that they should make sure that they are kept in a safe place where no one can find them and if they own more than x number of guns they need to buy a gun safe to hold their guns. if someone loses their gun then they should report it to the police within x amount of days or any crime committed with that firearm is the responsibility of the gun owner. i don't think that assault weapons are the problem.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html
if someone wants to give a gun to someone they should report it. if someone sells a gun to someone they should report it. if a person sells a gun to a person who they know has committed a felony or sells a gun to known gang members then they should jailed for x amount of years and they should lose their ability to buy guns.
i think that the majority of gun owners who obtained their guns legally are responsible but some aren't.
the selling of guns from gun stores shouldn't be restricted further than it already is. It is an important part of the US economy. I honestly don't feel like taking the time to prove it but i believe that it is true based on the number of people i know who buy and sell firearms and ammo just in the small town that i live in.

I agree, they should be responsible. But guns will always stay legal which is good, because it's in the Amendments.

[Destructive Impulse]

Getting shot with a rubber bullet isn't the same as getting shot with a gun. And dont say you didn't feel a thing because those things are made to stop and hurt an enemy.

[Professional Russian]

Getting shot with a rubber bullet isn't the same as getting shot with a gun. And dont say you didn't feel a thing because those things are made to stop and hurt an enemy.

The rubber slug i felt god did that hurt but the taser not so much. it wasnt really pain it was more of a paralyzing feeling that you cant move so its a little creepy

[Magus]

Here is a little fun challenge.

It's illegal for immigrants to have fire arm.

In what way would they expect from guns to protect them from armed robbery(because they are citizens, and it's legal for them to carry firearm)?

[UnknownError]

what most people dont see is that there are other places to get guns illegally its not that hard if you know the right people you can anything you want as long as you have the money. I dont know how you guys think banning guns wll make eveything better the reality is it wont.

Think of it this way, in Britain guns are illegal. Not even the police have them (except airport police etc but w/e) and to the general public they are completely 99% un-accessible. Yes you get the big gangs who may have a few but that's about it.

During the whole England riots in 2011, one man was shot dead and 11 shots were fired at police. That's 12 or 13 bullets fired during a period of 4 days in which 3,500+ people rioted. Imagine how much more that could have been if guns were legalised here?

[Professional Russian]

Think of it this way, in Britain guns are illegal. Not even the police have them (except airport police etc but w/e) and to the general public they are completely 99% un-accessible. Yes you get the big gangs who may have a few but that's about it.

During the whole England riots in 2011, one man was shot dead and 11 shots were fired at police. That's 12 or 13 bullets fired during a period of 4 days in which 3,500+ people rioted. Imagine how much more that could have been if guns were legalised here?

Theres other places in the US to get illegal guns people sell them illegally all the time

[DerBear]

Think of it this way, in Britain guns are illegal. Not even the police have them (except airport police etc but w/e) and to the general public they are completely 99% un-accessible. Yes you get the big gangs who may have a few but that's about it.

During the whole England riots in 2011, one man was shot dead and 11 shots were fired at police. That's 12 or 13 bullets fired during a period of 4 days in which 3,500+ people rioted. Imagine how much more that could have been if guns were legalised here?

Avril makes an entirely good point. I agree that very few people were injured during the August Riots when it came to gun crime. I can defiantly imagine what it could have been like if people had access to guns.

Theres other places in the US to get illegal guns people sell them illegally all the time

Yes we have established this throughout the entire debate, people can always find guns if determined.

However what you seem to not get into your head is that we are giving perfectly logical explanations as to why gun laws should be restricted or toned down and you don't seem to be giving any logical answers back.

I mean I can count so many things that have happened in the USA where mass killings were preformed with guns and the USA seem to stand by and go "Oh its a tragedy". However, when you look at it logically when the shooting at the Dunblane school massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre) that happened back in 1996, after campaigning after that for firearms to be banned they were. You see we in the UK ain't perfect but we understand when shit like this happens that shit needs to be changed and after all the gun crime in the USA they need change.

Why can't you see that?

[Professional Russian]

Avril makes an entirely good point. I agree that very few people were injured during the August Riots when it came to gun crime. I can defiantly imagine what it could have been like if people had access to guns.



Yes we have established this throughout the entire debate, people can always find guns if determined.

However what you seem to not get into your head is that we are giving perfectly logical explanations as to why gun laws should be restricted or toned down and you don't seem to be giving any logical answers back.

I mean I can count so many things that have happened in the USA where mass killings were preformed with guns and the USA seem to stand by and go "Oh its a tragedy". However, when you look at it logically when the shooting at the Dunblane school massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre) that happened back in 1996, after campaigning after that for firearms to be banned they were. You see we in the UK ain't perfect but we understand when shit like this happens that shit needs to be changed and after all the gun crime in the USA they need change.

Why can't you see that?

I cant see it because all i want are my rights. i dont want them interfered with sure we need some rules and evaluations in place to get guns but thats about it you can not completely take away my right to own guns. 1. its against the constitution and 2. there are too many people in the US that own guns to take them because if the government tried there would be a civil war over it. I think theres and estimated 65 million registered gun owners.

Basically this. This is why i like Ted Nugent so much (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzJbpA8_wl4&noredirect=1)

[StoppingTime]

I cant see it because all i want are my rights.

Basically this. This is why i like Ted Nugent so much (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzJbpA8_wl4&noredirect=1)

This is the problem. You only think of yourself in every single debate, which is why people never take anything you say seriously. It's a childish opinion, especially in a debate. Why debate if all you care for is how it affects you?

And Ted Nugent, :rolleyes:

[Professional Russian]

This is the problem. You only think of yourself in every single debate, which is why people never take anything you say seriously. It's a childish opinion, especially in a debate. Why debate if all you care for is how it affects you?

And Ted Nugent, :rolleyes:

I dont only care about my self i care about the safety of most people and if more good people guns i can guaranty you that the crime rate will go down. theres no statics but there is proof. As Ted Nugent said the video There is a higher crime rate in gun free zones. If more good people have atleast a handgun to protect them selves and teach the rest of their family to family to use it ttere would be a better chance of that family surviveing an armed robbery if the person who was trained on the gun wasnt their.

[DerBear]

I cant see it because all i want are my rights. i dont want them interfered with sure we need some rules and evaluations in place to get guns but thats about it you can not completely take away my right to own guns. 1. its against the constitution and 2. there are too many people in the US that own guns to take them because if the government tried there would be a civil war over it. I think theres and estimated 65 million registered gun owners.

Basically this. This is why i like Ted Nugent so much (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzJbpA8_wl4&noredirect=1)

Like Steven perfectly said, you seem to only care about yourself "So what if a few shootings happen every year, as long as I have my guns" It boils down to "I,I,I" with you.

That is what you sound like and as such sound rather childish.

The constitution is not reflecting the times. Back then things were different. A lot of people seem to agree that gun laws need to be a LOT stricter or possibly even banned (obviously certain exceptions). I mean the UK and countless other countries get on fine without weapons, why can't the USA? Also these areas you mention....are these areas deprived of certian things or living in poverty or just naturally crimnal, is their gang wars? Its all nice and well to say "Oh their is higher gun crime in areas that don't have guns" but there can be a lot of other contributing factors than the soul "I don't have a gun" story.

[Professional Russian]

Like Steven perfectly said, you seem to only care about yourself "So what if a few shootings happen every year, as long as I have my guns" It boils down to "I,I,I" with you.

That is what you sound like and as such sound rather childish.

The constitution is not reflecting the times. Back then things were different. A lot of people seem to agree that gun laws need to be a LOT stricter or possibly even banned (obviously certain exceptions). I mean the UK and countless other countries get on fine without weapons, why can't the USA?

Well 1. Because 65 million people in the US have registered guns plus the ones that arent registered. 2. because i bet most of those 65 million people hunt with those guns because i know i do and i only eat deer because thats what i eat. 3. because its a constitution right ot keep guns. and 4. as ive said a million times before self defense because if you ban guns the bad guys will still get guns and the good guys will not be able to defend them selves

[StoppingTime]

Well 1. Because 65 million people in the US have registered guns plus the ones that arent registered. 2. because i bet most of those 65 million people hunt with those guns because i know i do and i only eat deer because thats what i eat. 3. because its a constitution right ot keep guns. and 4. as ive said a million times before self defense because if you ban guns the bad guys will still get guns and the good guys will not be able to defend them selves

Logic: I bet they all hunt because that's what I do.
Logic: They only eat deer; that's all I eat.
Logic: Because it says so in the Constitution.

:rolleyes:

[Professional Russian]

Logic: I bet they all hunt because that's what I do.
Logic: They only eat deer; that's all I eat.
Logic: Because it says so in the Constitution.

:rolleyes:


I never said anything about them only eating deer. Im pretty sure one of the main reasons people own guns it to hunt. There are over 12 million hunters (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081124210337AAqoCun) in the US its not just based off what i think. and yes the 3rd logic is correct

[Iron Man]

Damn, I thought this debate was over.

But seriously, I, I, I, Ted Nugent, and blowing shit up aren't sufficient means to suppress gun control. And, I'm pretty sure the founding fathers didn't think of drive by shootings and massacres when they wrote the Second Amendment. Oh, and, the Second Amendment isn't written in stone, since pretty much any Amendment can be overturned. Cough..18th...cough.

[Professional Russian]

Damn, I thought this debate was over.

But seriously, I, I, I, Ted Nugent, and blowing shit up aren't sufficient means to suppress gun control. And, I'm pretty sure the founding fathers didn't think of drive by shootings and massacres when they wrote the Second Amendment. Oh, and, the Second Amendment isn't written in stone, since pretty much any Amendment can be overturned. Cough..18th...cough.

I do belive that prohibition was overturned because too many people fought back. the 2nd wont be over turned because there are too many people fighting for it

[Iron Man]

I do belive that prohibition was overturned because too many people fought back. the 2nd wont be over turned because there are too many people fighting for it

Keep in mind there are also too many people fighting against guns, including a large majority of VT'ers. Hence, you being virtually the only one in favor of no gun control.

[Professional Russian]

Keep in mind there are also too many people fighting against guns.

but theres not as many fighting against that are fighting for. THeres 4.3 million in the NRA then theres the people that just protest ont their own.

[Puma_concolor]

I made an account after reading through here. I would first like to express my regret that this wannabe Russian idiot is here supporting guns.

To answer the initial question, no I don't think gun laws should be any tighter than they already are. I'm on my phone so I'm going to keep this post short and then address any opposing arguments brought up in response.

One thing I do want to bring up is the Brady campaign's state grades. California ranked highest in their report, yet the state ranks 4th in gun crime in the country. New Hampshire, which ranks 50th for gun gun crime in the nation scored only 6 points. If that isn't significant enough, just look at New York City or DC.

[Professional Russian]

I made an account after reading through here. I would first like to express my regret that this wannabe Russian idiot is here supporting guns.

First of all im not wannabe i am russian 50% and im not an idiot. just because most of VT doesnt agree on guns doesnt most people dont

[Iron Man]

THeres 4.3 million in the NRA then theres the people that just protest ont their own.

4.3 million members. How many are on their own again? Have a statistic? There are 300 million people in the United States. I'm pretty sure all of them aren't in favor of lax gun control.

[Professional Russian]

4.3 million members. How many are on their own again? Have a statistic? There are 300 million people in the United States. I'm pretty sure all of them aren't in favor of lax gun control.

im pretty sure not all of them ar ein favor of more gun control either

[Thunduhbuhlt]

This applies to this entire thread:

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This thread deserves both.

[Professional Russian]

This applies to this entire thread:

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True story

[DerBear]

Your main argument seems to be,

Self Defense
Constitution
Possible invasion. (you said that in one of your previous posts)

Now|Self Defense, this is not an argument as yes, guns can be used as self defense but again, how many INNOCENT PEOPLE have died because of gun related crime or incident,such as the recent Colorado shootings?

The thing about old documents is that they become outdated, the constitution is only reflecting the time it was made. Sure it has relevant points but it is reflecting the times and nothing more. Back then times were different guns were not massive deal and a lot less people owned one, and that is a fact. To me it needs updating. Constantly hiding behind that one thing is rather annoying.

Possible invasion, so ALL US military forces are out of country and the appropriate authorities are on trip to Disneyland, and a bunch of vigilantes are going to defend our country, I personally don't see it myself working cause that would not cause chaos at all.

To be honest just because its in the Constitution, does not make it right.

[Professional Russian]

Now|Self Defense, this is not an argument as yes, guns can be used as self defense but again, how many INNOCENT PEOPLE have died because of gun related crime or incident,such as the recent Colorado shootings?

That could have ended quickly with one shot to the guys head.

The thing about old documents is that they become outdated, the constitution is only reflecting the time it was made. Sure it has relevant points but it is reflecting the times and nothing more. Back then times were different guns were not massive deal and a lot less people owned one, and that is a fact. To me it needs updating. Constantly hiding behind that one thing is rather annoying.

So the 1st amendment is also out of date?

Possible invasion, so ALL US military forces are out of country and the appropriate authorities are on trip to Disneyland, and a bunch of vigilantes are going to defend our country, I personally don't see it myself working cause that would not cause chaos at all.

To be honest just because its in the Constitution, does not make it right.

Hypothetical situation

[huginnmuninn]

Russian please start using sources and stuff it always helps the argument unless you use stupid sources for example...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx
this report shows that 47% of people say that they have guns in their home.if a person was truly against guns they wouldn't report that they had guns in their home. So it can be safely assumed that at least 47% of people are in favor of gun ownership. so you could say that almost half of the population owns guns and thus is in favor of gun ownership.
Some people will of course criticize the source or the poll but at least you have backed up your argument. please use evidence in your arguments so that you don't make all of us who are in favor of gun ownership seem stupid thank you.

[Sugaree]

That could have ended quickly with one shot to the guys head.

Well, excuse people for not carrying a gun on their bodies to protect themselves from potential threats. I would also love to see you shoot someone directly in the head, while they're wearing full riot gear with a gas mask, through thick smoke from grenades. Go on, I'll wait. This isn't Call of Duty, Bert; not everyone is going to be packing a 9mm or .45 on their person.

So the 1st amendment is also out of date?

I notice you love the 1st and 2nd amendments of the Constitution. Mind telling us the other 25 amendments while you're at it?

Hypothetical situation

Hypothetical situations are just that: hypothetical. Your hypothesis that this country would be invaded by some foreign legion isn't logical, it's paranoid.

[DerBear]

That could have ended quickly with one shot to the guys head.



So the 1st amendment is also out of date?



Hypothetical situation

First of all did I say EVERY amendment was out of date? I that the right to bare fire arms was set DURING the time when times were entirely different. Things need to change as the time does, that is the only way forward as won't things like this continue to happen, how much INNOCENT blood must be shed before people see guns do more harm than good

Secondly one shot to a guys head? THEY WERE IN A MOVIE THEATER, A DARK THEATER. Chances are even if someone brought a gun they would not be able to get a clear shot OR if many people had a gun they might not be able to establish who the main shooter was, possibly resulting in friendly fire and further loss of life. Also lets not forget the tear gas and the head gear as well riot armor.

Third, yes a hypothetical situation, based on your hypothetical answer in an earlier post to that giving guns to a lot of population would be helpful in the event the USA get attacked.

[Professional Russian]

Well, excuse people for not carrying a gun on their bodies to protect themselves from potential threats. I would also love to see you shoot someone directly in the head, while they're wearing full riot gear with a gas mask, through thick smoke from grenades. Go on, I'll wait. This isn't Call of Duty, Bert; not everyone is going to be packing a 9mm or .45 on their person.

I know this isnt call of duty. But atleast you could lay down some fire to try to make him stop shooting.


I notice you love the 1st and 2nd amendments of the Constitution. Mind telling us the other 25 amendments while you're at it?

Well i like the 1st amendment it tells me i can say what ever the fuck i want. l like the 2nd amendment for obvious reasons

Hypothetical situations are just that: hypothetical. Your hypothesis that this country would be invaded by some foreign legion isn't logical, it's paranoid.

True because the japanese did say during WWII that they wouldnt attack the main land because they thought everyone had a gun. little did they know most of the men were out at war but they were scared shitless of us

[Sugaree]

Well i like the 1st amendment it tells me i can say what ever the fuck i want. l like the 2nd amendment for obvious reasons

Did you even read the question? You pull out the first two amendments because they are parallel to your political ideology. Name the 25 other amendments - yes, there ARE others! - if you love the constitution as much as you seem to.

The first amendment also DOES limit on what you can say. For example, hate speech and libel were an addendum to the first amendment because those are seen as harmful terms of speech. So no, you can't "say whatever the fuck you want". (Calling it now, inb4 you say it's something liberals made up)

[Professional Russian]

Did you even read the question? You pull out the first two amendments because they are parallel to your political ideology. Name the 25 other amendments - yes, there ARE others! - if you love the constitution as much as you seem to.

I dont love the constitution i love certain parts of the constitution

[Sugaree]

I dont love the constitution i love certain parts of the constitution

Then you just pick and choose your political beliefs. All you are is a cherry picker who goes along with what you agree with and don't even bother with anything else.

[Professional Russian]

Then you just pick and choose your political beliefs. All you are is a cherry picker who goes along with what you agree with and don't even bother with anything else.

Isnt that just about what everybody does? im pretty sure president pick and choose what works only for them

[Sugaree]

Isnt that just about what everybody does? im pretty sure president pick and choose what works only for them

I never said no one else didn't do it. If you agree with two parts of the constitution, you might as well agree with all of it.

[Iron Man]

True story

So, you have pretty much accepted defeat....again?

[Destructive Impulse]

Knives are fun but I don't carry em around everywhere and wait for a chance to stab someone. In fact I gave away my few knives when I gave up cutting myself. You make sacrifices for your security. Guns should be the same way. For our security we need to give up some guns (assault rifles). I'm glad switchboards and ballistic knives are banned. And I am a strong supporter of the constutution. You should be able to own guns within reason. No automatic guns. Hell I'm even against burst firing.

[Professional Russian]

Knives are fun but I don't carry em around everywhere and wait for a chance to stab someone. In fact I gave away my few knives when I gave up cutting myself. You make sacrifices for your security. Guns should be the same way. For our security we need to give up some guns (assault rifles). I'm glad switchboards and ballistic knives are banned. And I am a strong supporter of the constutution. You should be able to own guns within reason. No automatic guns. Hell I'm even against burst firing.

What no automatics? those are already restricted as hell. but i do like haveing automatic 22s i enjoy those alot. and knives i have a knife everywhere i go. you never know when your going to need to cut something open or cut up some food.

[Destructive Impulse]

Yes I'm sure you live in the wilderness and at any moment you could need a knife otherwhys you will starve to death -_-

And why do you NEED an automatic gun.

[Professional Russian]

Yes I'm sure you live in the wilderness and at any moment you could need a knife otherwhys you will starve to death -_-

And why do you NEED an automatic gun.

Dude .22s are the ultimate fun gun you can anything with them and they're cheap. i love shooting the big guns and everything but .22 is my favorite. especially when they're automatic you can just fling rounds down range fast and shooting out the center oof the target is just some much fun. I dont NEED a knife but its always good to have incase you need to cut something

[Destructive Impulse]

You basically just answered my question. You don't need an automatic gun but you want it because it's "fun." is national security really less important than you having fun with an automatic gun you have no NEED for.

[Professional Russian]

You basically just answered my question. You don't need an automatic gun but you want it because it's "fun." is national security really less important than you having fun with an automatic gun you have no NEED for.

Automatics have nothing todo with nation security. Do you know how hard it is to get a automatic legally? You have to first get someone to make then you have to register it with the ATF then you Have to pay a $200 NFA Tax stamp

In the end it usually ends up around $10,000. Of course ive gotten around that because they legally sell triggers that make it automatic now about anyone can own an automatic gun as long as you know where they sell the special triggers to do it and its legal which i like and theres no ATF or NFA involved i simply pay about $35.00 for it and away i go shooting automatics haveing my self some fun

[Destructive Impulse]

And that's a breach of national security. All those security measures are to prevent the public from having automatic guns

[Professional Russian]

Except they're legal except in california (http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/Tac_Trigger.html)

[Destructive Impulse]

So is pot but the federal govt still sees it as illegal.

[Professional Russian]

So is pot but the federal govt still sees it as illegal.

This legal to the government too. if it wasnt it would be able to be legally sold with out ATF and NFA approval

[Destructive Impulse]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Federal agent shut down dispensaries all the time in California confiscate and burn the marijuana and arrest the stor owner for selling illegal drugs. Look it up. And while you're at it look up the 9th and 10th amendment as well as article one of the constitution.

[Professional Russian]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Federal agent shut down dispensaries all the time in California confiscate and burn the marijuana and arrest the stor owner for selling illegal drugs. Look it up. And while you're at it look up the 9th and 10th amendment as well as article one of the constitution.

I dont give a flying fuck about illegal drugs this debate is about guns not Drugs. its not even comparible anyways

[Destructive Impulse]

Actually yes it is. Just because a state says automatic guns are legal it doesn't mean that the federal government has to recognize the law. I used pot as an example. It's the same exact thing.

[Professional Russian]

Actually yes it is. Just because a state says automatic guns are legal it doesn't mean that the federal government has to recognize the law. I used pot as an example. It's the same exact thing.

Automatics a government controlled. Drugs on the other hand arent

[Destructive Impulse]

Except they're legal except in california (http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/Tac_Trigger.html)

Ah I just noticed I read that wrong. I thought it said except they're legal in California. I was wrong on that subject and I'm sorry. That being said i still don't think automatic weapons for civilians are a good idea. When would anyone be in a position where they need to have an automatic weapon? And e realistic none of that "if Mexico invades us" or something.

[Professional Russian]

Ah I just noticed I read that wrong. I thought it said except they're legal in California. I was wrong on that subject and I'm sorry. That being said i still don't think automatic weapons for civilians are a good idea. When would anyone be in a position where they need to have an automatic weapon? And e realistic none of that "if Mexico invades us" or something.

THere is no reason other than the "because i fucking want it excuse". But they are highly regulated and extreme hard to get. The NFA(Nation Firearms Act) restricts the purchase of Automatics to people who have a license and an extrmely clean record. and it costs a shit of money

[Destructive Impulse]

Exactly. That's them trying to ban it by making it too hard to obtain

[Professional Russian]

Exactly. That's them trying to ban it by making it too hard to obtain

THey're not trying to ban them(i dont think) they want to let good have some fun with some things that you cant get out of the military. but they dont want the bad guys to get their hands on them. But sadly the bad guys do get automatic guns illegally. If you have to right connections you can get just about anything

[Gordo]

nothing wrong with people owning guns in the USA. As some have said, criminals would know they might get shot if they try anything. There will still be crime, but there would be less.

Whether you like it or not, if another country attempted a take over, just the amount of guns and ammo our citizens have would be a significant consideration.

Through the constitution, guns provide the people with the ability to stop their own government from turning on them. Dictators need not attempt here. Our society would never allow for a ruthless dictator to live. Or his leaders.

There is very nearly one gun for every citizen here. We, as a nation, don't have to take crap from anyone, including our own govt. Pretty cool when you think about it.

[Professional Russian]

nothing wrong with people owning guns in the USA. As some have said, criminals would know they might get shot if they try anything. There will still be crime, but there would be less.

Whether you like it or not, if another country attempted a take over, just the amount of guns and ammo our citizens have would be a significant consideration.

Through the constitution, guns provide the people with the ability to stop their own government from turning on them. Dictators need not attempt here. Our society would never allow for a ruthless dictator to live. Or his leaders.

There is very nearly one gun for every citizen here. We, as a nation, don't have to take crap from anyone, including our own govt. Pretty cool when you think about it.

Agreed

[Puma_concolor]

First of all im not wannabe i am russian 50% and im not an idiot. just because most of VT doesnt agree on guns doesnt most people dont



Easy there smehoon. I'm not against guns, I own several and hunt regularly. Whether you realize it or not, you make a huge fool of yourself and the arguments you present are flawed and poorly thought out. You should start by using proper English, because I doubt you непонамаеть руссеии. Пока.

[Destructive Impulse]

So I was thinking and I actually know a place where there is absolutely no gun regulation or control. And alot of people own guns there and aren't afraid to shoot their enemies.



its called Somalia and we're the enemy

[Bougainvillea]

THere is no reason other than the "because i fucking want it excuse". But they are highly regulated and extreme hard to get. The NFA(Nation Firearms Act) restricts the purchase of Automatics to people who have a license and an extrmely clean record. and it costs a shit of money

You know more about guns, and owning guns than anything else in this world and its fucking sad.

You don't know shit about economics, and you have no legitimate input on political subjects because the only thing you mention is that piece of shit Ted Nugent or guns, and it just irritates me so much. I really wish you would just stay out of ROTW.

[Puma_concolor]

You know more about guns, and owning guns than anything else in this world and its fucking sad.

You don't know shit about economics, and you have no legitimate input on political subjects because the only thing you mention is that piece of shit Ted Nugent or guns, and it just irritates me so much. I really wish you would just stay out of ROTW.

He actually doesn't know that much, he just pretends to, making even more sad.

Addressing the automatic weapon debate, lets start with the (in)famous 2nd Amendment.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state"

The first part immediately eliminates any suspicion the authors were referring to arming a militia by making it clear that regulating the militia is necesaary to the security of the free state, not just having a militia.

"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The People hold the job of Regulator; if the people aren't equipped properly, how can they regulate?

Anybody about to say the National Guard is a militia should consider where the National Guard gets its funding: The Federal Government. It is basically a large reserve under control of the State, which the Federal government can take away at any time so it goes under their control.

All other amendments were created with The People in mind, why is the 2nd an exception?

I'm on my phone so I apologize for any mistakes in grammar and the brevity of my posts.

[Professional Russian]

He actually doesn't know that much, he just pretends to, making even more sad.

I dont pretend to know anything. i know more than most o fthe people on here. I mat not know about politics or economy or any of that other shit but i know more than most of the people on her. most likely including you.

Addressing the automatic weapon debate, lets start with the (in)famous 2nd Amendment.

"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The People hold the job of Regulator; if the people aren't equipped properly, how can they regulate?


All other amendments were created with The People in mind, why is the 2nd an exception?

I'm on my phone so I apologize for any mistakes in grammar and the brevity of my posts.

Wait if i just read this correctly your on my side?

[Magus]

I dont pretend to know anything. i know more than most o fthe people on here. I mat not know about politics or economy or any of that other shit but i know more than most of the people on her.

Then why are you defending the gun, the thing you know and love, if you don't know the politics(especially since you love the military)?

The only thing that's keeping you here is the second amendment and the fact that few people own gun saved "lives".

This doesn't help your case why people should own gun and that gun should be legal throughout. Thanks to weak gun laws, we have more anti-intellectual gun-toting idiots on the street.

This applies to this entire thread:

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Tell that to the families of gun violence victims.

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So I was thinking and I actually know a place where there is absolutely no gun regulation or control. And alot of people own guns there and aren't afraid to shoot their enemies.



its called Somalia and we're the enemy
I thought this was a pretty good point I made

[Magus]

I thought this was a pretty good point I made

Who are "we"? The US?

What? American soldier can go anywhere they like and people will just open their arms for them? You got pro. Russian's virus or something?

If someone comes with guns, with some other contry flag, to your house, you automatically think they are freinds? It's what Americans soldiers expect of every nation they invade. They will just come and hug them and give their women as cum holes. Seriously.

[Professional Russian]

Then why are you defending the gun, the thing you know and love, if you don't know the politics(especially since you love the military)?

The only thing that's keeping you here is the second amendment and the fact that few people own gun saved "lives".

This doesn't help your case why people should own gun and that gun should be legal throughout. Thanks to weak gun laws, we have more anti-intellectual gun-toting idiots on the street.

You dont live in the US do you? if you lived in a big city you would love to have a gun. I have my guns for 3 main reasons. Personal Enjoyment, Hunting, and self defense. If you say those 3 reasons arent valid and they are no reasons to own guns you must dumber than dog shit

[Magus]

You dont live in the US do you? if you lived in a big city you would love to have a gun. I have my guns for 3 main reasons. Personal Enjoyment, Hunting, and self defense. If you say those 3 reasons arent valid and they are no reasons to own guns you must dumber than dog shit.I live in Kuwait. That's basically a US base and oil rig for american oil companies. And yes, it is a big city. And yes, Guns are illegal. And yes, I feel safe without the need of a gun.

So basically anyone who doesn't agree with your "personal enjoyment, hunting and self defense", they are dumber than dog?

Nice debating with you.

If you said Suburban or a countryside town, to serve your pleasure of having guns, hunting and self defense, I would have agreed. But. We got people more gun grease in their heads than brain matter.

[Professional Russian]

I live in Kuwait. That's basically a US base and oil rig for american oil companies. And yes, it is a big city. And yes, Guns are illegal. And yes, I feel safe without the need of a gun.

So basically anyone who doesn't agree with your "personal enjoyment, hunting and self defense", they are dumber than dog?

Nice debating with you.

If you said Suburban or a countryside town, to serve your pleasure of having guns, hunting and self defense, I would have agreed. But. We got people more gun grease in their heads than brain matter.

You dont seem to understand. I bet 3/4 of america hunts for food. Im retty sure 65 Million People hand guns for self defense and sport shooting is personal enjoyment. 45 million americans hunt (http://www.conservationforce.org/role4.html) There 90 guns per 100 people in the US (http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/28/us-world-firearms-idUSL2834893820070828)

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So I was thinking and I actually know a place where there is absolutely no gun regulation or control. And alot of people own guns there and aren't afraid to shoot their enemies.



its called Somalia and we're the enemy

Who are "we"? The US?

What? American soldier can go anywhere they like and people will just open their arms for them? You got pro. Russian's virus or something?

If someone comes with guns, with some other contry flag, to your house, you automatically think they are freinds? It's what Americans soldiers suspect of every nation they invade. They will just come and hug them and give their women as cum holes. Seriously.

we as in any outsiders. What I was trying to point out was that Somalia has no gun control and look how its doing. Its anarchy. Somalian pirates are looting ships everyday and mercilessly killing man woman and child a like even if they dont have reason. Also according to prs reasoning its the perfect place to live. No gun control and no ones afraid to Shoot someone

[Professional Russian]

we as in any outsiders. What I was trying to point out was that Somalia has no gun control and look how its doing. Its anarchy. Somalian pirates are looting ships everyday and mercilessly killing man woman and child a like even if they dont have reason. Also according to prs reasoning its the perfect place to live. No gun control and no ones afraid to Shoot someone

Im i the only one that sees the problem with that?

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You see a problem with this? I thought thats what you wanted

[Magus]

You dont seem to understand.
Okay. Guys, I think because I am a paki living in Kuwait, I will never seem to understand. Nice going PRS.

I bet 3/4 of america hunts for food. I bet 4/4 of america shop for food.

Im retty sure 65 Million People hand guns for self defense and sport shooting is personal enjoyment.
I don't even.

Also according to prs reasoning its the perfect place to live. No gun control and no ones afraid to Shoot someone Say like this From the beginning.

[Professional Russian]

You see a problem with this? I thought thats what you wanted

I never i dont want gun control. I said i want gun control with more evaluations so its harder to get guns but i dont want them to ban guns you fucking stupid havent i said 6 or 7 times by now? Jesus Christ.

[Magus]

ban guns you fucking stupid.

Nobody said ban guns either. Just more rules and regulation on obtaining guns.

Without guns, America would just wither out and die, I guess.

[Professional Russian]

Nobody said ban guns either. Just more rules and regulation on obtaining guns.

Without guns, America would just wither out and die, I guess.

Well then why are we argueing if we all agree on the same thing?

[Magus]

Well then why are we argueing if we all agree on the same thing?

The first thing I wrote starting this thread.

.Do you think there should be a reform in Gun Laws and its possesion and monitoring, or that everyone should be a gun totting trigger-happy gunslinger?

[Professional Russian]

The first thing I wrote starting this thread.

I took the reform and more monitored guns ithought you meant ban them

[Iron Man]

You dont live in the US do you? if you lived in a big city you would love to have a gun. I have my guns for 3 main reasons. Personal Enjoyment, Hunting, and self defense.

You already made it clear you haven't defended yourself, so that is one less valid point. As for personal enjoyment, that is what psychos say before they shoot up a school. The only understandable point is hunting, and even at that, everyone in America doesn't hunt.

If you say those 3 reasons arent valid and they are no reasons to own guns you must dumber than dog shit.

I must be dumber than dog shit then...someone wipe me up with a pooper scooper before I bake in the sun. :headbonk:

[Professional Russian]

You already made it clear you haven't defended yourself, so that is one less valid point. As for personal enjoyment, that is what psychos say before they shoot up a school. The only understandable point is hunting, and even at that, everyone in America doesn't hunt.



I must be dumber than dog shit then...someone wipe me up with a pooper scooper before I bake in the sun. :headbonk:

OK i quit if you cant figure out how many people enjoy shooting o look at youtube theres millions upon millions of videos(exaggerated) of people shooting for joy hell even im in there

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Having fun is not a reason to have guns and defend them

[Professional Russian]

Having fun is not a reason to have guns and defend them

no it isnt but there are alot of people that enjoy it.

[Iron Man]

OK i quit if you cant figure out how many people enjoy shooting o look at youtube theres millions upon millions of videos(exaggerated) of people shooting for joy hell even im in there

I am only going to say this one last time...

Personal enjoyment not a valid argument

If we put tighter restrictions on cars today, would Congress be swayed by "But...driving is fun!"?

[Professional Russian]

I am only going to say this one last time...

Personal enjoyment not a valid argument

If we put tighter restrictions on cars today, would Congress be swayed by "But...driving is fun!"?

NO but we already resolved if you dont enjoy doing good for you go find something you enjoy doing. if i enjoy doing it dont criticize me for enjoying. if you dont like guns dont buy them dont get involved with them its that easy. it isnt rocket science

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Ok so im sure if I ever get mugged I could tell the guy "woah don't use a gun. I choose not to get involved with guns"

[Professional Russian]

Ok so im sure if I ever get mugged I could tell the guy "woah don't use a gun. I choose not to get involved with guns"

YOu obviously didnt get. if you dont like guns dont do anything with them dont look at them dont use them. if your getting mugged which is a Hypothetical situation which isnt valid it doesnt matter run or defend your self without a gun since you guys thing anyone can do it.

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so your argument now is because we dont own a gun and we want stricter gun control we shouldn't be allowed to have any say at all in gun policy? And being mugged happens all the time especially in cuties. In fact it's alot more reasonable than America being invaded

[Professional Russian]

so your argument now is because we dont own a gun and we want stricter gun control we shouldn't be allowed to have any say at all in gun policy? And being mugged happens all the time especially in cuties. In fact it's alot more reasonable than America being invaded

No im saying if you dont want to have guns just dont fucking buy one its that fucking simple. if you dont want it dont get it.

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I give up there is absolutely no way to reason with you.

[Professional Russian]

HOw is it not reasonable? its fucking simple. If you dont like guns dont get one its not that fucking hard. How stupid are you? if you cant understand that you have some mental problems.

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You fuckin serious. Ok so because I think automatic weapons aren't safe for civilians and could lead to more massacres I shouldn't buy a gun and then all my problems would be solved.

[Professional Russian]

You fuckin serious. Ok so because I think automatic weapons aren't safe for civilians and could lead to more massacres I shouldn't buy a gun and then all my problems would be solved.

No your not understanding. if you dont want there to be guns just simply dont buy one if you want to have guns go get one have fun its not rocket science. If you dont want one dont get it if you want get one its your choice.

[Iron Man]

HOw is it not reasonable? its fucking simple. If you dont like guns dont get one its not that fucking hard. How stupid are you? if you cant understand that you have some mental problems.

Oh, they have mental problems? You must have a brilliant doctor.

[Professional Russian]

Oh, they have mental problems? You must have a brilliant doctor.

No what im saying is so fucking easy to understand you must stupid to not understand it

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No you make no sense. How the hell is "if you're against guns don't buy one" gonna help in any way when we are talking about gun control.

[Professional Russian]

No you make no sense. How the hell is "if you're against guns don't buy one" gonna help in any way when we are talking about gun control.

Yeah its that easy you think they're bad dont fucking buy one simple if you want one go buy one have fun. we dont need more gun control we dont need less what we have now is fine

[Destructive Impulse]

I wish I could punch you in the face right now. We need more gun control. Assault weapons and automatic weapons need to be outlawed. There is no reason to have it and the only thing they are good for is killing large groups of people. Show me how me not buying a gun will reduce the death toll and frequency of shootings.

[Iron Man]

I wish I could punch you in the face right now

Ok, as I told Russian in another thread, losing your composure makes you look like a jackass. Basic rule of debating.

[Professional Russian]

I wish I could punch you in the face right now. We need more gun control. Assault weapons and automatic weapons need to be outlawed. There is no reason to have it and the only thing they are good for is killing large groups of people. Show me how me not buying a gun will reduce the death toll and frequency of shootings.

It wont thats why you buy them to protect your self in the event you get mugged someone trys to rob your house its not hard thjink abott it logically

[Destructive Impulse]

Yes because you need to empty an entire magazine into someone before they decide to leave. No one besides the attacker is gonna have an assault rifle in public

[Professional Russian]

Yes because you need to empty an entire magazine into someone before they decide to leave. No one besides the attacker is gonna have an assault rifle in public

There is no reason for assualt rifles other because i fucking want. and the government can out law them because people will still get them if they want it