Gun Law in US

[Destructive Impulse]

You sound like a child. This is why I cant reason with you. You care more about yourself then the innocent people who died in shootings

[Professional Russian]

You sound like a child. This is why I cant reason with you. You care more about yourself then the innocent people who died in shootings

How im simply stateing if you dont like and dont want them dont buy one. if want a gun go get. Guns are made for multiple reasons: Self Defense and hunting. If more good people carried guns they could defend them selves stop the crime. its that fucking simple.

[ImCoolBeans]

How im simply stateing if you dont like and dont want them dont buy one. if want a gun go get. Guns are made for multiple reasons: Self Defense and hunting. If more good people carried guns they could defend them selves stop the crime. its that fucking simple.

It is not "that fucking simple". You are totally missing the point here, dude. Guns are so incredibly easy to get, too easy in fact. Any lunatic can get the proper papers and waltz into a Walmart in the midwest and buy one. That is totally idiotic.

You seriously think that people should buy themselves weapons to stop crime themselves? That defeats the entire reasoning and purpose behind having a police force. Vigilante justice to that degree is ridiculous and I'm glad that not everybody thinks like you do - otherwise your wild ideas would actually be more realistic - but they don't, so at least I'll get a wink of sleep tonight. Serious crime shouldn't be stopped by "heros" walking around with concealed guns on their person, that will just make matters worse and then there will be two dangerous lunatics to be taken care of.

[Destructive Impulse]

Oh my god its like reasoning with a wall. How will me not buying a gun prevent others from owning and buying assault rifles. You logic is flawed

[Professional Russian]

It is not "that fucking simple". You are totally missing the point here, dude. Guns are so incredibly easy to get, too easy in fact. Any lunatic can get the proper papers and waltz into a Walmart in the midwest and buy one. That is totally idiotic.

You seriously think that people should buy themselves weapons to stop crime themselves? That defeats the entire reasoning and purpose behind having a police force. Vigilante justice to that degree is ridiculous and I'm glad that not everybody thinks like you do - otherwise your wild ideas would actually be more realistic - but they don't, so at least I'll get a wink of sleep tonight. Serious crime shouldn't be stopped by "heros" walking around with concealed guns on their person, that will just make matters worse and then there will be two dangerous lunatics to be taken care of.

I hate argueing with mods but no is understanding this if more good people have they can protect them selves and others. im not saying act like im not saying be the police the police are slow it takes them an average of 10 minutes to get to where the crime was commited by that time the person who was getting robbed or what ever is probably dead if it was an attack like that. if that person had a gun they could defend them self and they wouldnt be dead. There was a women in i think new jersey not sure but she got car jacked and was shot. if she would have been carrying a gun she could of defended her self. but someone in the stae government decide to not let people carry guns legally and look what happend shes dead she could of easily defended her self with a gun. If i was allowed to legally carry a gun and i saw someone getting mugged i would shoot the mugger and let him adie and just walk away. I know this isnt call of duty and i know this isnt a movie but if i did that i saved someones life. and killed criminal that would have probably done it again


Oh my god its like reasoning with a wall. How will me not buying a gun prevent others from owning and buying assault rifles. You logic is flawed

it wont but unlike you some of us want them so we will get them if you dont want one dont get one its that simple. your not going to stop people from getting what they want.

[Destructive Impulse]

Its impossible to reason with you.

[Professional Russian]

Its impossible to reason with you.

how? everything im saying is completeing logical im guessing your a liberal and liberal logic on guns is always wrong

[Destructive Impulse]

I hate argueing with mods but no is understanding this if more good people have they can protect them selves and others. im not saying act like im not saying be the police the police are slow it takes them an average of 10 minutes to get to where the crime was commited by that time the person who was getting robbed or what ever is probably dead if it was an attack like that. if that person had a gun they could defend them self and they wouldnt be dead. There was a women in i think new jersey not sure but she got car jacked and was shot. if she would have been carrying a gun she could of defended her self. but someone in the stae government decide to not let people carry guns legally and look what happend shes dead she could of easily defended her self with a gun. If i was allowed to legally carry a gun and i saw someone getting mugged i would shoot the mugger and let him adie and just walk away. I know this isnt call of duty and i know this isnt a movie but if i did that i saved someones life. and killed criminal that would have probably done it again




it wont but unlike you some of us want them so we will get them if you dont want one dont get one its that simple. your not going to stop people from getting what they want.

this is why you cant be reasoned with. I try to put out an argument and all you say is pretty much fuck your argument dont buy a gun. And you know what im a conservative. A weak one but still a conservative. And while we're at it i think Obama care is wonderful and he's doing a pretty good job in office.

[Maverick]

Professional Russian, you have some moral support from me now... lol

I'm not in favor of stricter gun laws period. I am a proud supporter of our 2nd amendment and believe each and every law abiding citizen should have the ability to exercise that right. The logic behind less guns will make us safer is deeply flawed as that will only take the guns out of the hands of law abiding people and only left into the hands of criminals. We tried banning alcohol, regulating cigarettes, and now we ban drugs however still these items get into the hands of the wrong people.

It makes me sad when people that live in good neighborhoods with gated communities, ADT home security system, and a police station half a block away make the argument that you don't need guns for security and that you can rely on the police. Try living in the ghetto or a real high crime area with a shortage of police or in an area with a police force so corrupt that no sane poverty struck individual would call upon. Or try being a farmer out in the middle of nowhere. There isn't a police station on every block in rural areas. We do need farmers because we do need to eat after all.

Majority of criminals do not have registered guns so a gun ban would take them away from all the law abiding gun owners with permits. Suddenly only criminals are left with guns and now they know they can break into your house with very little repercussions. When I was 5 I was still living in California and a crazy drug addict was trying to break into my house. It was just me, my mom, and my sister home at the time. The police wasn't there but a 9mm handgun was and she ran off.

[Professional Russian]

I hope what Ant said was understandable because thats what im trying to say

[StoppingTime]

I hope what Ant said was understandable because thats what im trying to say

Well, he speaks proper English, so yes, I understood it.
He did not mention anything on assault weapons, so I don't know where you stand on those.

And, I, nor anyone here ever said we should ban firearms, there should just be tighter restrictions, and teens shouldn't be able to just "have fun" with them.

[Professional Russian]

Well, he speaks proper English, so yes, I understood it.
He did not mention anything on assault weapons, so I don't know where you stand on those.

And, I, nor anyone here ever said we should ban firearms, there should just be tighter restrictions, and teens shouldn't be able to just "have fun" with them.

you do know that i have alot of people watching at the times im haveing fun sure theres some days when we're camping and i just walk off with the rifle and the pistol and just hang a target and shoot at it to the guns sighted in but mostly i have people watching every move i make

[StoppingTime]

you do know that i have alot of people watching at the times im haveing fun sure theres some days when we're camping and i just walk off with the rifle and the pistol and just hang a target and shoot at it to the guns sighted in but mostly i have people watching every move i make

I wasn't even talking about you specifically, don't make assumptions.
I agree witth Ant, people should be allowed firearms. People should not be allowed assault weapons.

[Professional Russian]

I wasn't even talking about you specifically, don't make assumptions.
I agree witth Ant, people should be allowed firearms. People should not be allowed assault weapons.

why not? I think they're pretty fun. expensive as hell but fun. By assualt weapons are you talking civilian legal or the you need ATF/NFA approval to get

[StoppingTime]

[QUOTE=Professional Russian;1843462]why not? I think they're pretty fun. expensive as hell but fun. [QUOTE]

As for what kind, any kind. No regular citizen needs assault weapons for protection.

Saying something is fun is not a valid arguement.

[Professional Russian]

[QUOTE=StoppingTime;1843464

As for what kind, any kind. No regular citizen needs assault weapons for protection.[/quote]

No we dont need them but in some states like west virgina you can hunt with them. Which is useless why would you want ot pump an animal fll of lead that your going to eat?

[StoppingTime]

So do you think they should be illegal for regular citizens?

[Professional Russian]

So do you think they should be illegal for regular citizens?

Sorry it took so long i was making sausage...ummmm

but aside from that. I dont see a problem with the public owning but they will always get to the bad guys if their legal or not so it really doesnt matter if we ban them or not the bad guys will still get them

[Puma_concolor]

How im simply stateing if you dont like and dont want them dont buy one. if want a gun go get. Guns are made for multiple reasons: Self Defense and hunting. If more good people carried guns they could defend them selves stop the crime. its that fucking simple.

It also makes it easier for criminals to get guns.

[Professional Russian]

It also makes it easier for criminals to get guns.

criminals will always get guns. Most criminals have illegal guns do you think they bought those legally

[Magus]

'Vigilante justice to
that degree is ridiculous and I'm glad that not
everybody thinks like you do'

As an anarchist. It's the only way to defend your self is to arm yourself, even if you live in a community based on mutual understanding. There will eventually be some idiots or outsiders. Still not a fan of guns, though.

It will take time for police men to arrive. By that time, god knows how many would have died.

If there is one gunman on your side, it will be enough to stall the crimemancers until the police comes.

But since America is not an anarchy(yet), I still think there should be more stricter screening for gun acquisition.

There should be regulation on hunting guns and target guns. And of course type of gun permitted in different areas(such as urban city vs the countryside), and monitering guns.

I still don't think that defence is a good argument.

We can easily shoot anyone and claim it's a matter of defence with our friends being our witnesses.

And for the liberals. Don't compare America with other countries. You can try saying this and that in my/that country, it will remain moot.

And yes. Science shows those who likes guns are emotionally attached to it(act of shooting and the guns themselves) like drug addicts.

You people hope there will be a time where gun is no use. But it's not the time.

[Sugaree]

it wont but unlike you some of us want them so we will get them if you dont want one dont get one its that simple. your not going to stop people from getting what they want.

And this is what scares most of the American public: people like you who want the rest of us turning our heads and pretending nothing is happening. Your logic for the past three pages is filled with contradictions, back-peddling, and pure idiocy. You even said it yourself: you love guns, but don't know shit about the politics. You base all of your arguments around your love of firearms and are deciding to blatantly ignore how easy it really is to buy a gun. You've made no attempt to look at how the gun market operates, how the NRA is nothing more than a special interest group, and how current gun laws are far too lax to be considered by anyone.

Another thing: if you're going to openly acknowledge that you don't know shit about the economy or politics in general, stay out of the debate forum. We've already got enough bullshit in here, the last thing we need is for someone to come in here acting like a hot shit know-nothing.

[Anselmo]

See this video (The site is in Portuguese)
http://www.tabonito.pt/portuguesa-de-80-anos-afugenta-ladroes-com-mangas-e-macas-em-loja-nos-eua/
The bad guys had a gun...the old lady with no gun "defeated" the bad guys and later they were arrested by the police...see...no guns and the bad guy was arrested by the police instead of being shot. Yes this was in the USA

[Magus]

See this video (The site is in Portuguese)
http://www.tabonito.pt/portuguesa-de-80-anos-afugenta-ladroes-com-mangas-e-macas-em-loja-nos-eua/
The bad guys had a gun...the old lady with no gun "defeated" the bad guys and later they were arrested by the police...see...no guns and the bad guy was arrested by the police instead of being shot. Yes this was in the USA

That's badass. Is it me, or I feel that the bad guys use fake guns?

[Anselmo]

That's badass. Is it me, or I feel that the bad guys use fake guns?

I asked myself that question. Idk, guns are not my specialty
There is nothing that says that the gun is fake so i will assume it's real

[Puma_concolor]

criminals will always get guns. Most criminals have illegal guns do you think they bought those legally

Anybody with an illegal gun obviously didn't acquire it legally you gimp, hence "illegal gun". A large amount of guns criminals have are stolen. If less people own guns, criminals can't steal them. Criminals will always have guns, nobody is denying that, you CAN limit the amount they have though.

For the record, because you are obviously incapable of interpreting what people are saying, I'm not anti-gun, like I said in an earlier post.

[Magus]

I asked myself that question. Idk, guns are not my specialty
There is nothing that says that the gun is false so i will assume it's real

There were many cases where perpetrators used fake guns to steal/extort.

[Professional Russian]

Anybody with an illegal gun obviously didn't acquire it legally you gimp, hence "illegal gun". A large amount of guns criminals have are stolen. If less people own guns, criminals can't steal them. Criminals will always have guns, nobody is denying that, you CAN limit the amount they have though.

For the record, because you are obviously incapable of interpreting what people are saying, I'm not anti-gun, like I said in an earlier post.


Not all of them are stolen. and the bad guys will still guns even if you limit them. I cant legally get a BAR but i had a BAR. I cant legally get a Colt M4 But i got a colt M4. i ant telling you where it came from but it proves a point

[Thanatos]

First off, I want to apologize to all anti-gun people, please don't judge us pro-gun citizens on this russian asshat. He shames us all.

My only point of argument is this: If people want guns to commit crimes they will get them, by making gun laws stricter all your doing is making it harder for regular citizens who wish to protect themselves to acquire the means to do so. Should citizens be able to acquire heavy duty military grade weaponry? No, but there are laws in place for that. Leave the gun laws as they are, this incident isn't a reason to overhaul the policies because the policies couldn't have prevented it whether they were stricter or laxer.

[Professional Russian]

First off, I want to apologize to all anti-gun people, please don't judge us pro-gun citizens on this russian asshat. He shames us all.

My only point of argument is this: If people want guns to commit crimes they will get them, by making gun laws stricter all your doing is making it harder for regular citizens who wish to protect themselves to acquire the means to do so. Should citizens be able to acquire heavy duty military grade weaponry? No, but there are laws in place for that. Leave the gun laws as they are, this incident isn't a reason to overhaul the policies because the policies couldn't have prevented it whether they were stricter or laxer.

NO i actually believe we should have more evaulations before you can get a gun and yes civilans can get military grade weapons. and they are all totally legal

[Puma_concolor]

Not all of them are stolen. and the bad guys will still guns even if you limit them. I cant legally get a BAR but i had a BAR. I cant legally get a Colt M4 But i got a colt M4. i ant telling you where it came from but it proves a point

Sorry John Browning Jr., but Colt M4's aren't illegal. And you didn't get a BAR because they're one of the most collectible guns ever made, not to mention way too rare and expensive for somebody of your caliber (no pun intended) to ever get a hold of. The only true thing in that post is that you can't buy a firearm legally; you're too young.

You must get an applause every time you set foot in your local gun store, if you're not prohibited from entering to begin with.

[Professional Russian]

Sorry John Browning Jr., but Colt M4's aren't illegal. And you didn't get a BAR because they're one of the most collectible guns ever made, not to mention way too rare and expensive for somebody of your caliber (no pun intended) to ever get a hold of. The only true thing in that post is that you can't buy a firearm legally; you're too young.

You must get an applause every time you set foot in your local gun store, if you're not prohibited from entering to begin with.

Colt M4s are highly restricted becuse they're used by the military and they're automatic. and BARs arent that collectible there were many variants of it made in which i had one. As for buying guns my dad buys them i just give him the money

[Puma_concolor]

Colt M4s are highly restricted becuse they're used by the military and they're automatic. and BARs arent that collectible there were many variants of it made in which i had one. As for buying guns my dad buys them i just give him the money


You're full of shit. Colt M4's are not highly restricted "because they're automatic and uaed hy the military". Beretta 92f's are used by the military and so are Browning HP's but they aren't restricted any more than other handguns. Stick to cawwadooty and chairsoft, I'm sure you're a champ on there.

[Professional Russian]

You're full of shit. Colt M4's are not highly restricted "because they're automatic and uaed hy the military". Beretta 92f's are used by the military and so are Browning HP's but they aren't restricted any more than other handguns. Stick to cawwadooty and chairsoft, I'm sure you're a champ on there.

NO Beretta M9s are used by the military. and Colt M4s are regulated by the government (ATF) because they are automatic and they are used by the military. Browning high powers are not used by the US military.

[Puma_concolor]

NO Beretta M9s are used by the military. and Colt M4s are regulated by the government (ATF) because they are automatic and they are used by the military. Browning high powers are not used by the US military.

Yes they are. I have no idea how this wasn't brought up before, but what are your qualifications?

[Professional Russian]

Yes they are. I have no idea how this wasn't brought up before, but what are your qualifications?

MY qualifications? Well lets see most of my family is military old and new so they would and i study this hit all day. I could give you a list of weapons the US military uses if you would like

[huginnmuninn]

i would be more worried about planes... 9/11

[Sugaree]

i would be more worried about planes... 9/11

:rolleyes:

[Magus]

i would be more worried about planes... 9/11

I am more worried about an invasion... 19/3

[Puma_concolor]

One thing I would like to point out to Johnny Jr. is it's because of people like him that people want more restrictive gun laws. He claims to own illegal guns, which, even though it's a lie made up to boost his ego, directly conflicts with his arguments for legal guns. Another tidbit of advice Johnny: telling somebody "not to worry about where I got my guns" when nobody asked you just screams "I'm trying my hardest to seem like a badass". Come clean buddy, everybody knows you're full of it.

To answer your question about where I live in PA, don't worry about it. You're obviously a transplant from the Philly area, there's no way the people in the Steel City would let your games fly. They embrace that shit over in Philly, that's where it got the name "City of Brotherly Love"; acting stupid is commonplace and taught in school.

[Destructive Impulse]

One thing I would like to point out to Johnny Jr. is it's because of people like him that people want more restrictive gun laws. He claims to own illegal guns, which, even though it's a lie made up to boost his ego, directly conflicts with his arguments for legal guns. Another tidbit of advice Johnny: telling somebody "not to worry about where I got my guns" when nobody asked you just screams "I'm trying my hardest to seem like a badass". Come clean buddy, everybody knows you're full of it.

To answer your question about where I live in PA, don't worry about it. You're obviously a transplant from the Philly area, there's no way the people in the Steel City would let your games fly. They embrace that shit over in Philly, that's where it got the name "City of Brotherly Love"; acting stupid is commonplace and taught in school.
you are my hero.

[devinity]

i suport open carry
i suport conceled carry
i would like to see federal law take over and say open carry is legal every were with or with out a permit. how ever conceled carry needs to be permit only.

[Sugaree]

i suport open carry
i suport conceled carry
i would like to see federal law take over and say open carry is legal every were with or with out a permit. how ever conceled carry needs to be permit only.

So why can't open carry be permit only?

[Professional Russian]

i suport open carry
i suport conceled carry
i would like to see federal law take over and say open carry is legal every were with or with out a permit. how ever conceled carry needs to be permit only.

I dont agree with open carry if im carrying a gun i dont want people to know i have it

[huginnmuninn]

i know my dad has a concealed carry permit and he accidentally brought his pistol to a peaceful demonstration at the state capital...it was kinda funny

[Magus]

Ha. Cracked did an article about it.

www.cracked.com/blog/the-4-most-meaningless-arguments-against-gun-control/

[Professional Russian]

#4 is in valid because a gun cant fire it self

#3 is invalid because its true. Drugs and matches kill people should try to make them illegal too.

#2 is invalid because guns can be used for offense and defense

#1 is wrong on so many levels because the second amendment also says the right of the people. The right of the people notice how it says the righ of the people. it doesnt just pertain to a militia its the right of the people

[Magus]

#4 is in valid because a gun cant fire it self

Yes. But guns are there to kill, regardless if it can be used or not.


#3 is invalid because its true. Drugs and matches kill people should try to make them illegal too.

You missed the point. Matches can be used for other purposes, and so does drugs. But guns? I never seen a guy use a gun to pick meat between his teeth. All I see is that guns sends a volley of copper bullets


#2 is invalid because guns can be used for offense and defense

Missed the point again. Guns are offensive contraptions, not defensive.

Aikido is a defensive martial arts, while Mauy Thai is purely offensive.

Please learn the definitions.

Does gun deflects bullets? If it does, then please feel free chanting that it's used for 'Defence'


Another tidbit of advice Johnny: telling somebody "not to worry about where I got my guns" when nobody asked you just screams "I'm trying my hardest to seem like a badass". Come clean buddy, everybody knows you're full of it.
Ah, you missed the day where he bragged about his ability to snipe people from 2 miles before they get him or something

Don't know what to make of that.

[Professional Russian]

Yes. But guns are there to kill, regardless if it can be used or not.



You missed the point. Matches can be used for other purposes, and so does drugs. But guns? I never seen a guy use a gun to pick meat between his teeth. All I see is that guns sends a volley of copper bullets



Missed the point again. Guns are offensive contraptions, not defensive.

Aikido is a defensive martial arts, while Mauy Thai is purely offensive.

Please learn the definitions.

Does gun deflects bullets? If it does, then please feel free chanting that it's used for '

i admit defeat

Ah, you missed the day where he bragged about his ability to snipe people from 2 miles before they get him or something

Don't know what to make of that.

i can shoot out to 600 yards with a .308

[Puma_concolor]

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#1 is wrong on so many levels because the second amendment also says the right of the people. The right of the people notice how it says the righ of the people. it doesnt just pertain to a militia its the right of the people

It doesn't pertain to the militia at all.

[Professional Russian]

It doesn't pertain to the militia at all.

The 2nd amendment does pertain to a miltia in the 1st part but where it says the right of the people it means the right of the people not a fucking miltia.

[Iron Man]

Disregard firearms, acquire archery equipment and haystacks.

[Puma_concolor]

The 2nd amendment does pertain to a miltia in the 1st part but where it says the right of the people it means the right of the people not a fucking miltia.

My God are you capable of understanding anything without a guide? Are you one of those kids accompanied by a tard wrangler all the time?

The 2nd Amendment DOES NOT apply to the militia AT ALL. Let me explain it, just for you Johnny:

Every country has a military (militia) , and if said country (state) is to remain free, the military must be regulated. This is done by arming the people. One cannot prohibit the people from bearing arms, otherwise the military is not regulated, and the state risks losing its freedom.

Understand, champ?

[Inventor2]

O MY FUCKING GOD! WE DO NOT NEED ANY GUN LAWS! All we need is a back round check and we should be free to go! If you think about it there are more stabings then shootings! And if your a criminal you could get a gun illegaly! So what are gun laws going to do? All gun laws do are restrict guns from the citizens that have a well being and a passion to shoot. So think about that, if criminals can get guns illegaly, what is the point of making gun laws...

[Professional Russian]

My God are you capable of understanding anything without a guide? Are you one of those kids accompanied by a tard wrangler all the time?

The 2nd Amendment DOES NOT apply to the militia AT ALL. Let me explain it, just for you Johnny:

Every country has a military (militia) , and if said country (state) is to remain free, the military must be regulated. This is done by arming the people. One cannot prohibit the people from bearing arms, otherwise the military is not regulated, and the state risks losing its freedom.

Understand, champ?

Yeah i understand it but you didnt understand what i said. i said that it does refer to the people as well. The 2nd amendment doesnt say the right of the people and onlt refer to the military

[Puma_concolor]

Yeah i understand it but you didnt understand what i said

Well fuck me sideways, how could anybody possibly not understand you?

What the hell are you trying to say?

[Professional Russian]

Well fuck me sideways, how could anybody possibly not understand you?

What the hell are you trying to say?

Jesus fucking christ Yes the second amendment gives the militia the right to keep guns but why do people always skip over the part where it says the right of the pople? Im pretty sure when it says the right of the people it aint refering to a militia its refering to the people.

[Puma_concolor]

Jesus fucking christ Yes the second amendment gives the militia the right to keep guns but why do people always skip over the part where it says the right of the pople? Im pretty sure when it says the right of the people it aint refering to a militia its refering to the people.

I just explained that in my post. I'm going trapping with my friends. Try studying the English language while I'm gone, people will take you more seriously.

[Professional Russian]

I just explained that in my post. I'm going trapping with my friends. Try studying the English language while I'm gone, people will take you more seriously.

Have fun im gonna go plan my weekend of blowing shit up. And yes i will be able to prove it...By next monday

[Donkey]

Yeah this is a fucking A-grade productive thread going amazing places bro. This thread has been ridiculous the whole time and I don't see it going anywhere. Locked and done