Senior Citizen Shoots Armed Robbers at Internet Cafe

[Professional Russian]

Yeah guns are so bad. In reality that you guys dont see they save lives. the news makes guns out to be a horrible tool of death but they're not. next time you say guns are bad think about it.

On Friday, July 13, 71-year-old Samuel Williams was at the Palms Internet Café in Marion County, Fla., with his wife. Williams, a concealed carry permit holder, was armed with a .380 pistol.

When two 19-year-old masked robbers entered the business brandishing a pistol and a baseball bat, and carrying a large bag, Williams must have known that his decision to draw his pistol and engage the armed robbers would be potentially life-changing.

Video surveillance footage shows one suspect, later identified as Dwayne Henderson, pointing a pistol at customers and directing them. His less-armed partner in crime, Davis Dawkins, could be seen raising his baseball bat and striking downward on what was later determined to be a computer.

Williams displayed patience as he waited for an opportune moment to act. When Henderson turned his back to him, Williams sprang into action. Just as Williams started toward Henderson with the gun trained on him, Henderson wheeled around and saw Williams, who fired at Henderson sprinting for the front door. It appeared that the two armed criminals could not get out of that café fast enough, as they each fell to the floor at one point. It’s not clear from the video footage whether Henderson fired the pistol during the attempted robbery.

Source/Read more (http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/07/18/senior-citizen-shoots-armed-robbers-at-internet-cafe/)

[Magus]

"the business brandishing a pistol"

Yes, the Gun is still the problem. Your argument is invalid.

[Professional Russian]

"the business brandishing a pistol"

Yes, the Gun is still the problem. Your argument is invalid.

How is the gun the problem? it saved people lives. the gun the to guys were carrying as nothing to do with it. its the old guy that scared them shitless with his gun and made them run. those robbers could have slaughtered every person in their but someone was a good citizen that carried a gun and stopped another crime

[Sugaree]

How is the gun the problem? it saved people lives. the gun the to guys were carrying as nothing to do with it. its the old guy that scared them shitless with his gun and made them run. those robbers could have slaughtered every person in their but someone was a good citizen that carried a gun and stopped another crime

Carrying a gun does not make one a "good citizen". If you're going to stay on your high horse about guns being good, do it in ROTW.

[Professional Russian]

Carrying a gun does not make one a "good citizen". If you're going to stay on your high horse about guns being good, do it in ROTW.

I said a good citizen that was carrying a gun

[Sugaree]

I said a good citizen that was carrying a gun

But I'm sure if they weren't carrying a gun and still managed to stop the robbers, you'd call them stupid for not having a gun.

[Destructive Impulse]

So am I a bad citizen cause I dont carry a gun?

[Professional Russian]

But I'm sure if they weren't carrying a gun and still managed to stop the robbers, you'd call them stupid for not having a gun.

no

So am I a bad citizen cause I dont carry a gun?

no

[Bougainvillea]

Yeah guns are so bad. In reality that you guys dont see they save lives. the news makes guns out to be a horrible tool of death but they're not. next time you say guns are bad think about it.

Just shut up. God. Guns aren't some fucking mystical items that people are lucky to have. It depends on the person who uses them, and unfortunately when people do use them its for something wrong. Guns don't save lives, people save lives.

[Iron Man]

Guns don't save lives, people save lives.

Thank. You.

[Professional Russian]

Just shut up. God. Guns aren't some fucking mystical items that people are lucky to have. It depends on the person who uses them, and unfortunately when people do use them its for something wrong. Guns don't save lives, people save lives.

Guns arent always used for bad things. thats what your lead to believe thats completely wrong. guns are also used for good things too. like in the article it stopped a robbery in the other thread i had it protected someones family. theyre not always used for bad things

[Bougainvillea]

Guns arent always used for bad things. thats what your lead to believe thats completely wrong. guns are also used for good things too. like in the article it stopped a robbery in the other thread i had it protected someones family. theyre not always used for bad things

My mistake, I forgot to say usually.

[TheMatrix]

Your source appears to be GunsAndAmmo.com (http://www.gunsandammo.com/), a site clearly aligned with your beliefs. With a site name like that, one can only guess the bias of the news "facts".

And your comebacks of "no" are very convincing, I mean we all see the flaws in our thinking, no?

Guns arent always used for bad things. thats what your lead to believe thats completely wrong. guns are also used for good things too. like in the article it stopped a robbery in the other thread i had it protected someones family. theyre not always used for bad things
Mhmm, let's take a look at common movies from as early as 1920. What are the bad guys armed with? What did the British use against the Americans, way back in the 1700s? What do people use to threaten others with? What wounds many people(both innocent and guilty, with emphasis on the former) every year, every month, every day?
As much as you hate to admit it, the answer to the above question has one frequent answer: guns. I'm not expecting you to publicly state that; oh no, I've tried and seen that tried before.

Now, your most likely course of actions(based on previous experiences about this matter) are likely to be:

Ignore me, and hope my response just gets lost to the sands of the internet
Change the subject, and hope nobody notices
Refute something I didn't say
Tell me that I'm wrong, because I couldn't possibly know
"no"

Which will it be? Let's find out, right after this commercial break!

[Iron Man]

You know, I think my counter-preach for firearms calls for this:

qwyZ0ji1GRU

[Professional Russian]

Your source appears to be GunsAndAmmo.com (http://www.gunsandammo.com/), a site clearly aligned with your beliefs. With a site name like that, one can only guess the bias of the news "facts".

oh and all other news arent biased either. anywhere you look will be biased it does matter who or what it is everything will be biased.

And your comebacks of "no" are very convincing, I mean we all see the flaws in our thinking, no?

you all see the bad things of guns i focus on the good points of guns

Mhmm, let's take a look at common movies from as early as 1920. What are the bad guys armed with? What did the British use against the Americans, way back in the 1700s? What do people use to threaten others with? What wounds many people(both innocent and guilty, with emphasis on the former) every year, every month, every day?
As much as you hate to admit it, the answer to the above question has one frequent answer: guns. I'm not expecting you to publicly state that; oh no, I've tried and seen that tried before.

but they do help you cant deny that fact

Now, your most likely course of actions(based on previous experiences about this matter) are likely to be:

Ignore me, and hope my response just gets lost to the sands of the internet
Change the subject, and hope nobody notices
Refute something I didn't say
Tell me that I'm wrong, because I couldn't possibly know
"no"

Which will it be? Let's find out, right after this commercial break!


wow you took the time make a list

oh yes and before i forget what do we win wars with?

[Bougainvillea]

Another fucking stupid argument, ohmygod I can't handle this.

[TheMatrix]

I don't want to derail this thread too much, but I would like to say this:
oh and all other news arent biased either. anywhere you look will be biased it does matter who or what it is everything will be biased.
That's not entirely true. Your source is a site dedicated to guns. They likely have sponsors and/or advertisements from companies that deal in guns. Now if you have an article telling how dangerous guns are next to an ad for "25% sale on all AK-47s!!", that wouldn't make any sense, nor would advertisers pay to have ads there. So, it is biased towards "guns are good".
This tactic is known as "card-stacking",

you all see the bad things of guns i focus on the good points of guns
I knew it! See points 2 and 4 of my list.

but they do help you cant deny that fact
See point 3 of my list.
And not always, I (as well as over half this site) find the opposite to be true.

wow you took the time make a list
See point 2 of my list, again.

oh yes and before i forget what do we win wars with?
See point 4 of my list, again.
That depends on what you define "win" as. The other side surrendering? Conquering land that didn't belong to you? Replacing other political institutions with your own? The ratio of casualties being in your favour?
I suspect the latter to be your definition, which isn't really a valid reason. I could murder half the military, but does that mean that I win whatever war I just waged? No, I still haven't gained anything and cannot say that I get the government all of a sudden. This is not a movie.
Please, get your head out of the (thunder)clouds, you might get zapped(oh aren't I funny?).

Now let's see what the response is, refer to my previous list.

[Mortal Coil]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23803814.jpg

I think that, gun debate aside, it was brave of the man to stand up to the robbers, despite the elevated risk to his own life in doing so. Generally I am not pro-guns, but I do think that in situations like this, the right to bear arms becomes useful as it is an extension of the right to self-defense.

[Destructive Impulse]

oh yes and before i forget what do we win wars with?

treaties. Guns start the war and bring about death and violence on both sides but treaties end wars. Plus the us hasn't been in a war since ww2.

[Bougainvillea]

Plus the us hasn't been in a war since ww2.

Lolwut.

[Destructive Impulse]

Congress declares war and they haven't declared war since ww2. Look it up. All other "wars" since then have been because of the gulf of Tonkin resolution.

[Professional Russian]

been in a war since ww2.

What grade did you get in History Class?

[Destructive Impulse]

97...
Vietnam Korea Afghanistan and the middle east were never formal wars. Its only war when congress declares it. It may seem like war but technically its not.

[Professional Russian]

Yeah...

[Sugaree]

97...
Vietnam Korea Afghanistan and the middle east were never formal wars. Its only war when congress declares it. It may seem like war but technically its not.

It does not matter if Congress declares it a war or not. If we send troops and engage in conflict, it IS war. There is no difference just because a few people in Washington decide what to call it.

[Destructive Impulse]

Im going by the technicalities. America has not seen war since ww2 but we have been in many armed conflicts

[Professional Russian]

yeah wars...

[Destructive Impulse]

No...its not war unless its declared by congress. Its an armed conflict.

[Professional Russian]

You said technicality's. those dont count to most people if we fought in it against an enemy it was a war. declared by congress or not.

[Destructive Impulse]

you cant insult my intelligence and then when I give you facts about how the government works discard it because the majority of the American population doesn't understand the rights the president and congress have.

[Professional Russian]

Thats what i say but people still insult me.

[Destructive Impulse]

Because you dont have concrete evidence. You have biased news sources mixed with your own opinion. I have the construction on my side

[Professional Russian]

Because you dont have concrete evidence. You have biased news sources mixed with your own opinion. I have the construction on my side

Because all other news sources arent biased not at all. they're just the straight truth every time.Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.

[TheMatrix]

Alright, we seem to have gone very off-topic and moving towards a silly, pointless argument. Please, stay on topic or I will lock the thread.

[Magus]

Because all other news sources arent biased not at all. they're just the straight truth every time.Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.

Nope. They are not biased.

They are not affiliated with any political stance, and so there is no need to become biased towards something.

But yours was clear like a day.

[Iron Man]

Plus the us hasn't been in a war since ww2.

Oh, you're right. Unless you are forgetting Korea, Vietnam, Cold War (can it be considered?) Lebanon, Panama, Iraq, al-Queda, Iraq again, and pretty much every conflict not listed since WWII.

[MisterSix]

Make a new thread in Ramblings of the Wise unless you want this thread locked.

On Topic
I think it could have turned very ugly if the robber actually had the balls to use his gun (pun intended)

[Professional Russian]

Nope. They are not biased.

Da Fuck did i just read? You do know everything and everyone is biased towards one point or another. the US news company have to go by what the government says. so i dont use them i use my own sources that dont have to follow our fucked up government so theyre more correct than anything else you see. the regular news company make things like guns to look bad when they are a good thing. when the last time the US news had something about someone defending them selves with a gun on. i dont remember when the last time was. everythings biased wether you want believe it or not

[Iron Man]

i use my own sources that dont have to follow our fucked up government so

And those sources are?

theyre more correct than anything else you see

Hmm, government sources, or gun toting conservative's "legitimate fact"....tough decision.

[Professional Russian]

And those sources are?

Guns and Ammo NRA News a few other places i cant think of at the moment


Hmm, government sources, or gun toting conservative's "legitimate fact"....tough decision.

Teh government forces the news companys to print what they want to you to belive if the government wants to have you believe guns are bad which they are doing theyll print it and tell you. hte government controls just about everything. but there are few people like me who wont listen to that commie bullshit and ill actuallly listen to the truth.

[Iron Man]

Guns and Ammo NRA News a few other places i cant think of at the moment
Oh, the same source that told you 100 million were apart of the NRA? I looked everywhere on the NRA website, and I found nothing that stated 100 million members.



few people like me who wont listen to that commie bullshit and ill actuallly listen to the truth.

So, China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, and Laos are manipulating the United States media?

[Professional Russian]

Oh, the same source that told you 100 million were apart of the NRA? I looked everywhere on the NRA website, and I found nothing that stated 100 million members.

nop they didnt say that them selves ted nugent said it



So, China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, and Laos are manipulating the United States media?

probably

[Iron Man]

nop they didnt say that them selves ted nugent said it
Oh, Ted Nugent is one of your sources now? Please, allow me to insert condescending Wonka meme here.





probably
Here's a time machine, go back to the 50s and live there. There are more people like you that will follow your stories without question. Cough...Joseph McCarthy...cough.

[TheMatrix]

Teh government forces the news companys to print what they want to you to belive if the government wants to have you believe guns are bad which they are doing theyll print it and tell you. hte government controls just about everything. but there are few people like me who wont listen to that commie bullshit and ill actuallly listen to the truth.

5/10

Next time you want to troll, please spell things correctly, and try to make sure that your statements don't blatantly defy the constitution and bill of rights.

In other news, I showed your laudable reply to one of my cats, who had the following opinion:
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[Professional Russian]

5/10Next time you want to troll, please spell things correctly, and try to make sure that your statements don't blatantly defy the constitution and bill of rights.


I wasnt trolling thats 100% true. Have you not realized the government controls nearly everything? The country is turning into a communist country. Obama and that house of communist dumbasses are telling us what to do how do you not see. Americas gone to hell. First that communist cuts spending to the military takes my freedom of speech tries top take my guns. sends guns to mexico to try to get congress to repeal the 2nd amendment then gets caught. i hope that communist doesnt get elected again.

[Sugaree]

probably

If people like J. Edgar Hoover and Joseph McCarthy were reading this, you'd probably be welcomed with open arms 50 or 60 years ago. You say shit like this all the time, act like it's honest-to-God truth, and don't take ANY effort to back it up with your "sources". You don't use your opinions as sources, you use sources as your opinions. Get it right or stop debating.

[UnknownError]

its funny because the day he said "next time you say guns are bad think about it." was the day after the biggest amount of casualties of a mass shooting in US history.

[cgk101]

Self defense is ok

[Iron Man]

I wasnt trolling thats 100% true. Have you not realized the government controls nearly everything? The country is turning into a communist country.

Sales tax and speed limits....what a bummer.

Obama and that house of communist dumbasses are telling us what to do how do you not see.

Enlighten me. I haven't seen, and you haven't given specifics or evidence. Basically, overly conservative Americans who think Communism is to blame for everything is like:

http://t.qkme.me/35nftf.jpg

Americas gone to hell.

Dude, aren't you like 15? Did the career that you went to college for, busted your ass to start, and fought to keep get taken by an immigrant? Yeah. I didn't think so.

First that communist cuts spending to the military

Are we at war with everyone currently?

takes my freedom of speech

How?

tries top take my guns.
Oh, here we go..

sends guns to mexico
Source? I've never heard of that until you mentioned it, so it must be correct.

to try to get congress to repeal the 2nd amendment then gets caught.

Is there an Amendment that keeps amendments from getting repealed? No.


i hope that communist doesnt get elected again.

I thought he was a supreme Islamic dictator? All hail Ayatollah Obama! Please..

On a side note, if you are going to debate, don't lose composure and get all butthurt on everybody, because that only makes you look like a jackass.

[Professional Russian]

Source? I've never heard of that until you mentioned it, so it must be correct.



Is there an Amendment that keeps amendments from getting repealed? No.




Operation fast and furious (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fast-and-furious-investigation/gJQAVNCUqV_topic.html)

[Iron Man]

Operation fast and furious (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fast-and-furious-investigation/gJQAVNCUqV_topic.html)

Okay, so was it clarified that their objective was to repeal the Second Amendment?

[Professional Russian]

Okay, so was it clarified that their objective was to repeal the Second Amendment?

yes it was. it was obamas attempt to take the second amendment. atleast thats what i heard fromt he few news clip i heard while i was in my parents room talking to them

[Iron Man]

yes it was. it was obamas attempt to take the second amendment. atleast thats what i heard fromt he few news clip i heard while i was in my parents room talking to them

Oh, Obama was impeached and he confessed to it?

Sources. Now.

[Professional Russian]

Enjoy (http://www.ask.com/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal?)

[Iron Man]

Enjoy (http://www.ask.com/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal?)

Ok. He denied authorizing that, as stated in your source. So far, you have labeled President Obama, a Communist, not because "he is introducing communism to the United States", but because you are just pissed, and that is the best insult you can come up with. How immature and ignorant.

[super storm]

dude first get beter surces then don't just get mad at evrything people say. the chek the interne one of the biggest guns exporting countries is the US ( ps. if the us is turning into a comunist country then first: there would be absolutly no freedom of speach but you are still talking bad about the govenmet if this was a comunist country like Cuba or China the government would probaby have arested you second: look up the definition of "comunisim".

[Neverender]

has anyone else thought of Gran Torino upon reading this?


http://gcaggiano.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/torino-1.jpg

[riguy99]

sure there are times when guns do good but most of the time they do bad.

[Jupiter]

Video surveillance footage shows one suspect, later identified as Dwayne Henderson, pointing a pistol at customers and directing them.


hmmm

[Magus]

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/13/usa-texas-shooting-am-university-idINDEE87C0G020120813

There.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

This is justice.

[CyanideGoodnight]

Way to go old man!

[Bluesman]

Old guys can be pretty badass :)

[PinkFloyd]

Well I don't know about everyone else but I'm happy to be carrying my newly bought colt 1911.

[Magus]

Well I don't know about everyone else but I'm happy to be carrying my newly bought colt 1911.

And the thing that will not make you shoot me is?

[Professional Russian]

Well I don't know about everyone else but I'm happy to be carrying my newly bought colt 1911.

except you cant legally carry a gun

[Sugaree]

Well I don't know about everyone else but I'm happy to be carrying my newly bought colt 1911.

You're 14. You can't buy a gun, let alone have the legal right to carry.

[Ambrosia]

Hell yes! Old man must have been from TEXAS! All hale guns!

[Professional Russian]

Hell yes! Old man must have been from TEXAS! All hale guns!

I think im senseing some sarcasm here

[Cicero]

You're 14. You can't buy a gun, let alone have the legal right to carry.

im sure he meant his parents got it for him.



man, if only the rest of the country allowed adults to carry guns, then everyone would be safe...

[Professional Russian]

man, if only the rest of the country allowed adults to carry guns, then everyone would be safe...

As long as you pass the requirements you carry gun.

[Sugaree]

im sure he meant his parents got it for him.

His parents shouldn't even allow him to carry it without their supervision. It's a fucking gun. What parent will allow a 14 year old to carry a Colt? If he were of legal age, there would be no problem.



man, if only the rest of the country allowed adults to carry guns, then everyone would be safe...

lITBGjNEp08

[Ambrosia]

I think im senseing some sarcasm here

Actually I'm as serious as a heart attack. I think guns are a great idea. I grew up in a house with pieces of guns spread everywhere, and we were taught to shoot at a young age. Guns don't kill. People do.

[Professional Russian]

Actually I'm as serious as a heart attack. I think guns are a great idea. I grew up in a house with pieces of guns spread everywhere, and we were taught to shoot at a young age. Guns don't kill. People do.

THank for saying just thank you. you are one of the few on here that actually think that people kill people. appearently the argument is invalid because its not true

[Anselmo]

THank for saying just thank you. you are one of the few on here that actually think that people kill people. appearently the argument is invalid because its not true

So if guns don't kill people, people kill people....guns don't save lives, people save lives

[Professional Russian]

So if guns don't kill people, people kill people....guns don't save lives, people save lives

yes thats true guns are just an instrument implemented to make the killing ro defence easier