Why are you atheist?

[Jess]

similar to "Why do you believe in God?" but for atheists.

so why are you atheist?

I am atheist because religion just doesn't make sense. and I don't think there's any proof of a god.

Hell is an imaginary place, created to force people to behave.

[-]Sin is also imaginary.[/-]

Gods and goddesses were created long long ago to explain how things happen, like lightning. How is the one god today any different? Religion provides no evidence, solely based on "faith" which isn't enough. There's all this evidence for evolution and the Big Bang, and not a single drop of evidence for a deity.

As the title says, it's for atheists to answer. If you're religious, I'll ask politely for you to not reply. Thanks.

[Mob Boss]

I used to be Christian (mainly for the sake of my grandma), but I rarely went to church or practiced the religion at all. I started reading about Quantum Mechanics and Theoretical Physics and liked the proof that I found and the different theories -- all offering more proof than the bible ever could for me. Then when my grandma died a few months ago, it was like I cut all ties with the religion as a whole. And like Jess said, there is hardly proof, and that is the main reason why I am now an atheist.

[Infinityslam]

Religion is mainly created to make the people less scared for the dead. I am not scared for dead, there may be something after life but I personally think life just ends. It's done, nothing more after it. The main reason for war is religion. Religion has caused the most dead people in all periods of history. No religion for me. As a science lover, just hard, proven stuff.

[workingatperfect]

I think that religion and the idea of a God is just someone people depend on to explain what they don't understand. It's used to comfort people and make them believe that everything that happens is for some bigger plan that they don't understand right now. To make people less afraid of dying. Basically, it's just to make people feel better about life.
I don't need that. I don't have to follow a set of morals given by something that may or may not exist to enjoy my life. And I think it's sad that so many DO need that to be happy with themselves.

[Gigablue]

There is no good evidence for a god. The whole idea of religion is that it should be believed on faith, as opposed to evidence. If someone could show me some good evidence for a god, I might consider the existence of a god, but until then, the most logical conclusion to draw is that there is no god.

[FreeFall]

I was a miserable Christian.
I hated waking up to go to church, why the heck should it matter if I go to church or not to prove my love for god? I hated the bible, contradictions all over. I still hate the freaking prayers before every single meal, I timed my dad once he took freaking 15 minutes. 15 minutes to say thanks. My food was cold. I hated if I didn't give tiding, people would glare the whole sermon. I prayed my hardest to god to please make my Pop-pop better. I can vividly remember praying saying I'd do everything and anything good and marry a christian boy, obey my parents, give my hair to wigs makers whenever it grows long, give money away so I'd never be rich. Pop-pop died the next day. So I flipped. Why was there sickness, illness, death of the innocent and the bad people got to live? I always got "He's testing us". It ticked me off more, what for, why, because of Adam and Eve? Why can't he let that go? what did I do? How can such a "loving" God hold such a cruel grudge over the innocent? Still all I got was he's testing us.
So I threw my hands up, no need to test me! You don't even exist. That's why there are no answers.

[Iron Man]

I don't believe in pipe dreams or fairy tales, which is essentially what Religion reminds me of. I have prayed so many times, and I didn't hear shit. Therefore, I put my destiny into my own hands. Self-accountability works for me, not saying "Oh, I stole your money because God told me to" or "She died in that car accident because God made it so". That isn't a suitable answer for me.

[Fractured Silhouette]

I am an atheist because god told me to be one.

[HackerExecute]

I am an atheist because god told me to be one.

LOL!

[Jimmy Page]

Well,no one in my family have a religion,and we were always brought up to check everything before deciding,and after trying and reading up on a lot of it I found out that most of it didn't make sense to me at all :P

[User Deleted]

I am an atheist because god told me to be one.

That used to be my signature.

But seriously, it was painful being religious, I was just little and wanted to not burn in magma. Later this was my biggest confusion.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

And other small paradoxes confused me as well.

Even all these problems weren't enough, but one thing was. My pastor making rules up, rules that weren't in the bible. I still believed for a while but skeptically... then, BAM deadpie, read one of his posts linking me to theamazingatheist about seven months ago and the reasoning was so good and easy access that I found more than enough reason to stop beliving in Christianity than I ever wanted.

[HackerExecute]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

http://oi49.tinypic.com/2eeh85z.jpg

[User Deleted]

image (http://oi49.tinypic.com/2eeh85z.jpg)

/sarcastically claps

Yeah, you got it Sherlock, the epicurean paradox

[HackerExecute]

/sarcastically claps

Yeah, you got it Sherlock, the epicurean paradox

Oh, did someone get mad.
:thumbsup:

[User Deleted]

Oh, did someone get mad.
:thumbsup:

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/068/a/f/Wooyoung___Not_really___by_k_muzik_macros.png

You posted practically one small part of a quote (which you attributed to me, learn bb code) and a picture saying the same thing. I was commending your incredible mediocrity.

[HackerExecute]

image (http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/068/a/f/Wooyoung___Not_really___by_k_muzik_macros.png)

You posted practically one small part of a quote (which you attributed to me, learn bb code) and a picture saying the same thing. I was commending your incredible mediocrity.

Yeah, I set it that way, is that a problem? I have learned BBcode.

And relax, bud. I was only helping you out by posting the picture not trying to embarrass you or anything; I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that quote.

[User Deleted]

Yeah, I set it that way, is that a problem?

And relax, bud. I was only helping you out by posting the picture not trying to embarrass you or anything; I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that quote.

I'm not embarrassed or mad, I know I come off as emotional but the only emotion I have if frustrating that the post was low quality. Save it for the spam threads.

[HackerExecute]

I'm not embarrassed or mad, I know I come off as emotional but the only emotion I have if frustrating that the post was low quality. Save it for the spam threads.

From being sarcastic to assuming I don't know BBcode, to calling me mediocre, to now ranting about the low quality?

*edit*

Apologies for the off-topic discussion.

[Gaybaby94]

1. Because how the f*** can some being mke himself then make a whole universe in 7 days? Nothing aboutnreligion makes sense. Sure 2000,years ago it was a good explanation because of the lack of science, but now we pretty much have the answers to how every thing started.

2. Religion is anti-gay and for thousands of years have killed homosexuals in the name of their gods. Therefore I refuse to follow a cult that does not support me.

3. Religion is the birthplace of ignorance and bigotry in the world. (Dark Ages, Westboro Baptist Church)

4 No gods, know peace.

[goodbyeVTF21]

maybe if you gave believing in God another chance if you didnt like it when u were younger maybe you didn't understand it enough. just please give it another try

[Thanatos]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m77hksJ8xK1r9j5a4o1_500.png


As for why I'm Atheist, its because I don't see the good that comes from religion. Morality I understand, ethics I understand, religion I don't. How does worshipping some deity or another make me a better person? Why do I have to bow before and follow the commandments of some deity or I'm condemned? What if I follow those same rules simply because of my sense of right or wrong, but the whole time that I do, I don't believe that God exists. Does that make me a horrible person? In the eyes of many religious it does. Why become part of a system that breeds hatred between people? Why follow a deity who is all about 'Love' and 'Mercy', yet condemns anyone who doesn't conform?

[workingatperfect]

maybe if you gave believing in God another chance if you didnt like it when u were younger maybe you didn't understand it enough. just please give it another try

My guess is most of the people in this thread gave up religion because we DO understand it, more than we did when we were young.

[Gaybaby94]

maybe if you gave believing in God another chance if you didnt like it when u were younger maybe you didn't understand it enough. just please give it another try

I never believed in a god. All my life I was atheist and that will never change. Not even on my death bed.

Edit: And you have no right to tell me that I need your god. I don't need imaginary friends. I'm capable of making my own choices.

[Professional Russian]

maybe if you gave believing in God another chance if you didnt like it when u were younger maybe you didn't understand it enough. just please give it another try

If you can prove theres a god i might belive you but until then no

[Jess]

maybe if you gave believing in God another chance if you didnt like it when u were younger maybe you didn't understand it enough. just please give it another try

no thank you. and I should have specially asked people like you to please stay out of this thread...

I'm never giving it another chance. I DID UNDERSTAND. Even when I was younger I had my doubts.

[RedViper]

maybe if you gave believing in God another chance if you didnt like it when u were younger maybe you didn't understand it enough. just please give it another try

Did you not even read the original post?


The reason I'm an Atheist is because of logic. It just seemed like the most logical thing to believe. I'd never really thought about God as a child, I guess you could say i was an Agnostic until my sister told me she didn't believe in God and then I did start thinking about it and Atheism just made the most sense.

[Error 404]

When i got kidnapped by aliens, they told me that there is no god.Who am i to question aliens?

Good enough for me.

[HackerExecute]

maybe if you gave believing in God another chance if you didnt like it when u were younger maybe you didn't understand it enough. just please give it another try

For what?


When i got kidnapped by aliens, they told me that there is no god.Who am i to question aliens?

Good enough for me.

I agree. LOL.

[Human]

Ever since a young age I have always thought there was something fishy with religion (especially christianity since that's the religion of our schools before high school, my current school is a technology school so there's 0% religion ahahhaha) when the primary school and middle school would make us sing hymns for an hour, pretty much against our will. Living in a small village and going to schools situated in small villages and towns the adult population was generally religious (my parents never mentioned religion, asking them today they say agnostic) and it was hammered into us from age 5:P
But now almost everybody is atheist - 50 years ago it would be 99% religious.
Sorry for my life story but I'm atheist because I'm an intelligent human being and there are better explanations.

[Gordo]

image (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m77hksJ8xK1r9j5a4o1_500.png)


As for why I'm Atheist, its because I don't see the good that comes from religion. Morality I understand, ethics I understand, religion I don't. How does worshipping some deity or another make me a better person? Why do I have to bow before and follow the commandments of some deity or I'm condemned? What if I follow those same rules simply because of my sense of right or wrong, but the whole time that I do, I don't believe that God exists. Does that make me a horrible person? In the eyes of many religious it does. Why become part of a system that breeds hatred between people? Why follow a deity who is all about 'Love' and 'Mercy', yet condemns anyone who doesn't conform?


Of course you're not horrible. If anyone thinks you're horrible because you choose not to believe, tell them the really don't understand their own religion.

If their a christian, you could point out that jesus only got mad at the religious people of the day. So they are less like jesus than people who don't believe. smh.

I really hope no one is telling you that you're a horrible person for your beliefs, they shouldn't even attempt to make you feel that way.


Biggest cause of Atheism today is Christians.

[Bath]

I'm an atheist because there is no evidence for a God.

[HumbleBumble]

Uh this question is perfect :P

I'm atheist because religion makes no sense. Personally I believe that the bible was created by sneaky popes, 1000's of years ago to trick people into paying money for the "church"

Also Because a god in heaven with superhuman powers are completely against the law of physics and... well... unreal.

Evolution ftw :)

Also I'm surpriced to see this many atheists in here :P I mean I respect religious ppl, but I can help frowning when people fx thank god instead of the doctor who just saved someones kid.. -.-'

[Vonn]

It's not really that I'm an atheist, I just don't particularly care, nor do I feel like I should. (Is there a term for that?) I've never, ever been interested in religion, or even a little bit curious. It just sounded like a waste of time to me. God isn't going to solve your problems for you just because you ask him to. I hate it when people actually put effort into fixing the problems in their lives and then religious people want to tell them to turn around and thank God for fixing everything. Like, what the hell? That's incredibly insulting, honestly.

There's also the fact that a) religion is used and abused far too often; b) religious people tend to be unreasonably stubborn; and c) it's really not needed anymore.

[Thanatos]

Of course you're not horrible. If anyone thinks you're horrible because you choose not to believe, tell them the really don't understand their own religion.

If their a christian, you could point out that jesus only got mad at the religious people of the day. So they are less like jesus than people who don't believe. smh.

I really hope no one is telling you that you're a horrible person for your beliefs, they shouldn't even attempt to make you feel that way.


Biggest cause of Atheism today is Christians.



Oh, I haven't personally experienced a bunch of hatred for my beliefs. If I did I honestly wouldn't care because the only opinion that matters is my own. However, I have witnessed others be persecuted for their beliefs or non-beliefs and all it does is provide more of an argument against religion.

[HackerExecute]

It's not really that I'm an atheist, I just don't particularly care, nor do I feel like I should. (Is there a term for that?) I've never, ever been interested in religion, or even a little bit curious. It just sounded like a waste of time to me. God isn't going to solve your problems for you just because you ask him to. I hate it when people actually put effort into fixing the problems in their lives and then religious people want to tell them to turn around and thank God for fixing everything. Like, what the hell? That's incredibly insulting, honestly.

There's also the fact that a) religion is used and abused far too often; b) religious people tend to be unreasonably stubborn; and c) it's really not needed anymore.

That is exactly how I feel. Word for word.

[dmb1996]

because I don’t know what the hell is going on. So that’s God – everything I don’t know. But the idea of God as a fatherly figure who looks down on us and worries about how we’re doing or takes sides when we have fights – it’s more irritating than Santa Claus. The world and the universe are far more wonderful if there’s not a puppet master.

[LuciferSam]

I'm a Philosophical Taoist, which isn't really atheism, but is a Non-Theistic religion, if that makes any sense. I was originally Christian, but turned away mainly because I don't think we need any God or god to explain anything. This is why the Tao seemed to be better. It centers around the fact that there is a "way" about the universe. It can follow a pattern or be compltetely random. No deity is responsible for it, and it pervades the entire. universe. Ultimately, it is the natural flow that makes everything run. Taoism is a belief that allows for the world to be the way it is because of a natural rythem that exists everywhere, not because of the power of a deity. In short, we are like the ultimate proponants of Okham's razor. There is no deity because everything can be explained without it.

[boonsim]

Because religious people are the world's biggest group of sheep there ever was. I don't need fairy takes to console my feeble mind.

[triggerperson]

Because the whole "imaginary friend"-thing never really appealed to me.

[Silicate Wielder]

I'm atheist becuase everytime I go to chruch (my mom is christian) i find theme stating their beliefs that conflict with their other beleifs. I do believe in god though.

[Jess]

I'm atheist becuase everytime I go to chruch (my mom is christian) i find theme stating their beliefs that conflict with their other beleifs. I do believe in god though.

um but if you believe in god you aren't atheist.

[HackerExecute]

um but if you believe in god you aren't atheist.

LOL! Megafacepalm.

[Sudds3]

um but if you believe in god you aren't atheist.

I get your logic....and I agree actually! You believe in God....

Atheism-noun-
1.
the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2.
disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

From Dictionary.com

It seems like you agnowlage and agree with the existence of God, so you are in fact no atheist! You could be a doubting christian, I am a doubting Catholic...but I still believe in God and some of the stuff the bible says! But not all of it

[goodbyeVTF21]

no thank you. and I should have specially asked people like you to please stay out of this thread...

I'm never giving it another chance. I DID UNDERSTAND. Even when I was younger I had my doubts.

I cant ignore it (this thread). Its basically denying there isn't a God.

Its in the Bible

Matthew 10:33

-33 but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.

[Jess]

I cant ignore it (this thread). Its basically denying there isn't a God.

Its in the Bible

Matthew 10:33

-33 but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.

this thread is for atheists to say why they are atheists. not for religious people like you to try to convert us

[goodbyeVTF21]

this thread is for atheists to say why they are atheists. not for religious people like you to try to convert us

STFU I'm not even that religious! I'm just making a point I believe in God! I just don't like going to church every week only sometimes. I'm not even telling you to believe in him. I mean its your life not mine. Believe in what you want. Go worship I cake fatty

[FreeFall]

I cant ignore it (this thread). Its basically denying there isn't a God.

Its in the Bible

Matthew 10:33

-33 but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.
I don't even believe there is a god so I can't reject him, there's nothing to reject. If you could respect me and others and not try to convert us, we would be happy to respect you and your bible.

[Professional Russian]

STFU I'm not even that religious! I'm just making a point I believe in God! I just don't like going to church every week only sometimes. I'm not even telling you to believe in him. I mean its your life not mine. Believe in what you want. Go worship I cake fatty

Good for you you believe in a god would you like a cookie? dont get so butthurt over someone explaining something too you

[Jess]

STFU I'm not even that religious! I'm just making a point I believe in God! I just don't like going to church every week only sometimes. I'm not even telling you to believe in him. I mean its your life not mine. Believe in what you want. Go worship I cake fatty

okay so you believe in God. but this thread is for ATHEISTS and you posted here twice...no need to be rude

and did you tell me to worship "I cake fatty"? didn't understand the last sentence

[goodbyeVTF21]

okay so you believe in God. but this thread is for ATHEISTS and you posted here twice...no need to be rude

and did you tell me to worship "I cake fatty"? didn't understand the last sentence

Worship A* cake, fatty. Not I

[Professional Russian]

Worship A* cake, fatty. Not I

And i thought i was an asshole. How about you stop trying to push religion on us and go away. i hope you know atheists dont really care about religion thats why we are called atheists

[goodbyeVTF21]

[QUOTE=Professional Russian;1847208]And i thought i was an asshole. How about you stop trying to push religion on us and go away. i hope you know atheists dont really care about religion thats why we are called [B] atheists[/

At least I'm not going to HELL haha! Oh wait u don't believe in hell ok.... but call me when r die and u r burning In hell

[Professional Russian]

At least I'm not going to HELL haha! Oh wait u don't believe in hell ok.... but call me when r die and u r burning In hell

The only thing thats going to happen to me and you both is decomposition we're going to go in the ground and rot. there everything will be black. THats all thats going to happen. Last time i checked there was no proof of a god. so when you come up with proof i might believe you but until then i wont believe

[Jess]

And i thought i was an asshole. How about you stop trying to push religion on us and go away. i hope you know atheists dont really care about religion thats why we are called [B] atheists

At least I'm not going to HELL haha! Oh wait u don't believe in hell ok.... but call me when r die and u r burning In hell

can you stop posting here? we won't be burning in hell - there isn't one

[goodbyeVTF21]

can you stop posting here? we won't be burning in hell - there isn't one

Nope I'm gonna keep posting! Its doesn't say I have to be atheist to post here

[Professional Russian]

Nope I'm gonna keep posting! Its doesn't say I have to be atheist to post here

obviously for only atheists to answer

wow...

[Sugaree]

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae217/Sigma66/jackson_popcorn.gif

[Professional Russian]

image (http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae217/Sigma66/jackson_popcorn.gif)

i love that picture

[Sugaree]

i love that picture

Relevant to this thread and all threads where people use insults in debates.

[Professional Russian]

Relevant to this thread and all threads where people use insults in debates.

i know its like this one http://i.imgur.com/rCvI3.gif

[Thanatos]

At least I'm not going to HELL haha! Oh wait u don't believe in hell ok.... but call me when r die and u r burning In hell

I will, and you call me when you learn how to use proper grammar. Too bad they don't teach you that in a bible.

[Christine.]

Because I dont believe in god...

[itsme13]

1. Load of crap
2. As proven above, people are scared of death, that infact everything will be black. So they came up with heaven and hell to give people something yo look forward too when they die. If that makes any sense.
3. It is so contradictive
4.all they want is money, therefore a scam.
5. People of the religious world, close your eyes, take a step out of your pathetic reality, look at the world around you, what sort of person (god) would cause war, hunger, tsunami, fires, floods, murderers. . . Etc. . . Now wake up and read about science, it proves majority of your beliefs as bogus crap!

[Heavyrain4life]

maybe if you gave believing in God another chance if you didnt like it when u were younger maybe you didn't understand it enough. just please give it another try

Don't you guys have another thread to talk on? I mean, she asked you to not to try to convert us. And no, giving it another try wont help. Also, Christianity is supposed to be the most loving and benevolent religion, right? Yet anyone who is gay, bi, or dosent believe in them has to burn in eternal hellfire? And what about the Egyptian "Exodus"? I refuse to burn because i have free will.

Nope I'm gonna keep posting! Its doesn't say I have to be atheist to post here

You could be banned for spam or trolling... Either or. And she did ask for religious people to not post.

[Jess]

I'm going to bump this so it can get more replies. And religious people, please STAY OUT. Thanks :S

[Jupiter]

i was agnostic (for like a month) because i just couldn't imagine god. i couldnt think "wow, there is something up there"

[PerpetualImperfexion]

I'm an agnostic atheist, I don't believe in a god, but I don't try to disprove it. Ultimately there is a lot more proof for evolution, the big band, etc, but there is nothing that can prove any religion false. I think most religions were developed because people didn't know enough about science and how the world worked so they conjured a magical being that lives in the sky. And if a god does exist why does it allow these things to happen? The Christian argument is that their god allows us to do what we want with our free will, but why create us in the first place if he knew we were going to go through all this suffering? So I am an agnostic atheist because I find it very hard to believe in a mystical being that lives in the sky, but I'm also this way simply to spite any possible gods that may or may not exist.

[Human]

Ever since a young age I have always thought there was something fishy with religion (especially christianity since that's the religion of our schools before high school, my current school is a technology school so there's 0% religion ahahhaha) when the primary school and middle school would make us sing hymns for an hour, pretty much against our will. Living in a small village and going to schools situated in small villages and towns the adult population was generally religious (my parents never mentioned religion, asking them today they say agnostic) and it was hammered into us from age 5:P
But now almost everybody is atheist - 50 years ago it would be 99% religious.
Sorry for my life story but I'm atheist because I'm an intelligent human being and there are better explanations.

and adding onto this

being a massive fan of physics, after reading up on quantum physics and complicated stuff such as quantum entanglement etc. you realise that why would a god create such a complicated world?

if an all knowing person who knew whether there was a god or not, who offered to bet my life on whether there was a god or not, i'd say no.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

similar to "Why do you believe in God?" but for atheists.

so why are you atheist?

I am atheist because religion just doesn't make sense. and I don't think there's any proof of a god.

EDIT: super religious people -- stay out. we're atheist and we won't change. don't ask us to give it another chance or beg us to believe again.

obviously for only atheists to answer

Because Its too simple to be true. Also because of the reason in the above statement. I also have my own hypothesis. A complicated one to say the least.

[Ryhanna]

I don't believe in God because it just doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense that there'd by some kind of higher entity who creates us in his image, and it doesn't make sense that he gave us free will and then ultimately judges us and punishes us for our wrongs.

If other people want to believe in Religion and God, then fine, they can do what they want. But personally, I just want to live my life the way I want to.

[ayelove100]

similar to "Why do you believe in God?" but for atheists.

so why are you atheist?

I am atheist because religion just doesn't make sense. and I don't think there's any proof of a god.

EDIT: super religious people -- stay out. we're atheist and we won't change. don't ask us to give it another chance or beg us to believe again.

obviously for only atheists to answer

The super religious people just feel bad for you, none of us ask for another chance because we don't care if your stuck up and nobody begs someone to believe you ya either do or dont. I wasn't gonna even type but the last part you said about us begging you to believe us is bull shit.

[Wolf44]

I don't believe in god because there is no proof and people say he's all forgiving and merciful yet my sister got cancer and she does nothing wrong she survived and is recovering right now but she went blind

[Jess]

The super religious people just feel bad for you, none of us ask for another chance because we don't care if your stuck up and nobody begs someone to believe you ya either do or dont. I wasn't gonna even type but the last part you said about us begging you to believe us is bull shit.

Did you even read the posts made by "goodbyeVTF21"? He was asking us for another chance to believe. And you don't need to be so rude. I didn't say you were begging. I'm just telling the super religious in general to not do it.

I don't believe in god because there is no proof and people say he's all forgiving and merciful yet my sister got cancer and she does nothing wrong she survived and is recovering right now but she went blind

Sorry about your sister, but I'm glad she has survived (though that's sad she went blind).

[ayelove100]

Did you even read the posts made by "goodbyeVTF21"? He was asking us for another chance to believe. And you don't need to be so rude. I didn't say you were begging. I'm just telling the super religious in general to not do it.



\.

I did not mean to be rude. I didn't read many of the posts. I only read th post that you said no religious people beg us to covert while we are not begging you. We are just debating, I wasn't going to even type its just that pissed me off because the religious people just want to save people. If you are atheistic you won't understand what i mean by save. Anyways, don't be so hard headed its best to learn about new religions, but if you don't agree, thats up to you.

When i got kidnapped by aliens, they told me that there is no god.Who am i to question aliens?

Good enough for me.

That is such a lie :mad:

Merged double post. -Gigablue

[Jess]

I did not mean to be rude. I didn't read many of the posts. I only read th post that you said no religious people beg us to covert while we are not begging you. We are just debating, I wasn't going to even type its just that pissed me off because the religious people just want to save people. If you are atheistic you won't understand what i mean by save. Anyways, don't be so hard headed its best to learn about new religions, but if you don't agree, thats up to you.

I do know what you mean by save. Religious people want to save people like us from eternal damnation in hell, right?

[Desuetude]

I just don't believe in god. I don't see how any superior being could be ruling us and I think that no 'god' would tolerate this much suffering in the world because what type of stupid god would?

I think it's stupid how religion and the different beliefs and opinions can cause so much war and hatred. It's not even worth it really.

[ayelove100]

I do know what you mean by save. Religious people want to save people like us from eternal damnation in hell, right?

Yeah, thought u wouldn't know!

[Mothership]

I'm an atheist for many reasons.

One, I don't need to look up to a God, or anyone for that matter, to get me through my life and to make me feel better. I do just fine by myself and going by what I think is right and doing what I want to do.

Two, religion makes absolutely no sense to me at all. It gives me no answers. If something good happens, God did it because he loves you. If something bad happens, well, God works in mysterious ways. Fuck that logic. Things happen because we make it happen. Plus the thought of thinking about something that doesn't really have an explanation and just blowing it off saying "MUST'VE BEEN MAGIC!" doesn't really appeal to me.

Three, the biggest reason why, is God's little fan club pisses me off. NOTHING pisses me off more than a Bible thumper. I absolutely can't stand them. They are the most ignorant kind of people, going around spreading their flawed ideas thinking they're right and anyone who disagrees isn't a good person. Religion makes discrimination happen. So many wars have happened over religion (The Crusades, WWII with the Holocaust in mind, etc) and I don't want anything to do with it.

Why I'm An Atheist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhzyPHih4fQ)
That video sums it up pretty well.

[whoisme]

I am NOT atheist because it does make sense for me :)
http://fussilat.com/qc/quranclub/photos/2010/01/03/funny_atheism_definition.jpg

To be proud of being atheist, It is exactly like being proud of not believing that 1+1 equals 3.

Scientists talk about God, Is there a God? Evidence from universe that God exists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICJEf28VJuo&feature=player_embedded)
God Arises (http://cpsglobal.org/content/god-arises-1) : Read Online (http://cpsglobal.org/content/god-arises-0) Download (http://cpsglobal.org/sites/default/files/God-Arises-cps.pdf)

Hope this helps to enlighten !

[Dorkahontas]

I began thinking that there really wasn't a god, gradually. However, I am tolerant of religions revolving a God or other higher being.

[Jess]

Yeah, thought u wouldn't know!

Pretty much all of us know. It's obvious.

I am NOT atheist because it does make sense for me :)
image (http://fussilat.com/qc/quranclub/photos/2010/01/03/funny_atheism_definition.jpg)

To be proud of being atheist, It is exactly like being proud of not believing that 1+1 equals 3.

Scientists talk about God, Is there a God? Evidence from universe that God exists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICJEf28VJuo&feature=player_embedded)
God Arises (http://cpsglobal.org/content/god-arises-1) : Read Online (http://cpsglobal.org/content/god-arises-0) Download (http://cpsglobal.org/sites/default/files/God-Arises-cps.pdf)

Hope this helps to enlighten !


hahahahahaha

EDIT: I don't think that's what atheism is btw. So that pic is so wrong.

[ayelove100]

Pretty much all of us know. It's obvious.



hahahahahaha

EDIT: I don't think that's what atheism is btw. So that pic is so wrong.

That pic is sooo true. U seriously dont make sense hahahah

[Dawn01]

I'm agnostic, I mean, I believe in the transcedental, in some kind of force ruling the cosmos, in things science can't explain, but I don't have a religion. I actually dislike religions, it's like they exist to make people crazy and different from each other, we see so many wars because religious reasons, I just dislike it. I was born christian and I study in a catholic school, my mother is extremely religious, but at least my father is an agnostic too. I don't know, I think our minds have power too, and I do believe in it, scientists say that we only use like 10% or less of our brains... Why not? There are things we just can't explain!

EDT: The difference between Atheists and Agnostics is that Agnostics are not sure about the existence or not of God (well, how can you prove that God doesn't exist? And those things without explanation?) although they don't have a religion, while Atheists deny completely the existence of god. So... That's why I'm posting here, I don't deny the existence of God, but like the atheists, I don't believe in religions :)

[Gigablue]

I'm agnostic, I mean, I believe in the transcedental, in some kind of force ruling the cosmos, in things science can't explain, but I don't have a religion. I actually dislike religions, it's like they exist to make people crazy and different from each other, we see so many wars because religious reasons, I just dislike it. I was born christian and I study in a catholic school, my mother is extremely religious, but at least my father is an agnostic too. I don't know, I think our minds have power too, and I do believe in it, scientists say that we only use like 10% or less of our brains... Why not? There are things we just can't explain!

EDT: The difference between Atheists and Agnostics is that Agnostics are not sure about the existence or not of God (well, how can you prove that God doesn't exist? And those things without explanation?) although they don't have a religion, while Atheists deny completely the existence of god. So... That's why I'm posting here, I don't deny the existence of God, but like the atheists, I don't believe in religions :)

Most atheists don't outright deny the existence of a god. Also, atheism/theism isn't in the same category as agnosticism, which refers to the certainty of a belief. There are two types of atheism, strong and weak. Strong atheists state that they are sure that there is no god, while weak atheists simply say that there isn't enough evidence to support the idea of one.

Also, we don't only use 10% of our brains, and no scientist says that. It's just a common myth. We use all of our brain, though not always all at once.

[Gandalf]

I was fed up of being agnostic, so I turned round to myself one day and said no. Enough is enough. I don't need a superpower judging me as well as the morons in day to day life.

Also, I often resented my friends who are christian. I couldn't conform to there principles and ideals...

[VEight]

I am Atheist because I realised that I don't need religion or a god to be happy or successful. Simple as that. Oh and my Fundamentalist auntie told me I was going to burn in hell, so I like being defiant.

[Error 404]

When i got kidnapped by aliens, they told me that there is no god.Who am i to question aliens?

Good enough for me.

Ahh, good times.

I'll answer this again...why?Well, first of all, i choose not to believe in god.Which i guess, puts me into "atheist" category.Second, there is no evidence that god exist, and IMO just isn't...logic, to me, that he does exist.

Now idk, not that i have bothered to read (much) of the bible/etc, but if I'll go to hell or w/e just cause i don't believe in him, well, then so be it.

[danny7]

Religion and believing in a god is important to people because people need something to believe in and give thanks to. "I pray to good that..." or "Oh my god" or "Thank god" << those terms are commonly used because people need something to believe in, I don't. Also, religion offers no proof at all, it's a book. To me it's a comedy genre book. It was created when there was no science and when the question "Why does the sun go down at night?" is asked and religion back then before there was no science answered it. Science offers proof of how the world was created or 'why the sun go down at night'.

I mean come onn, it's a book! It was invented when there was no science to prove otherwise! Nowadays, people are blinded by religion that disallows them to realize that we have science now.

Also, religions and churches control people's life. 98% of all religious people want tattoos secretly but they say they don't and because their religion doesn't allow it. Religion is just dictated their lives and they are following what a book says.

[Skyline]

I don't believe in God because there is no good proof. To add to that, many people say that Atheists should read the Bible, that book has been changed, copied, and translated so many times there really isn't an "original" copy of the Bible that is English, no two languages can be translated to read exactly the same. I just don't see how people can live by a book that may or may not be "the word of the lord."

[TheBassoonist]

I looked at every religion and saw that they all had something after death. Whether an afterlife, a paradise, hell or some variant, or reincarnation, there's always a promise that death is not the end. This relates to ancient cultures having some method of lessening the fear of death. The Aztecs had human sacrifices to please their gods so they would have good harvests and not die horribly. The Greeks and Romans had similar practices, though not human sacrifices. Both of these made me realize that religion was created specifically to lessen the fear of death. People identify with any religion to make themselves feel more at ease with dying because religion promises something after death.

Now, while I won't say that I am comfortable with dying, I can say that fear of death is just one type of fear of the unknown, a universal trait among humans. This is why people are afraid of the dark, because they don't know what's out there. I am an atheist because I do not wish to, for lack of a better term, hide behind a veil of false promises, as I see them. I think that we, as a species, should learn to embrace the unknown and accept it for what it is.

[Skyline]

I am NOT atheist because it does make sense for me :)
image (http://fussilat.com/qc/quranclub/photos/2010/01/03/funny_atheism_definition.jpg)

To be proud of being atheist, It is exactly like being proud of not believing that 1+1 equals 3.

Scientists talk about God, Is there a God? Evidence from universe that God exists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICJEf28VJuo&feature=player_embedded)
God Arises (http://cpsglobal.org/content/god-arises-1) : Read Online (http://cpsglobal.org/content/god-arises-0) Download (http://cpsglobal.org/sites/default/files/God-Arises-cps.pdf)

Hope this helps to enlighten !


Okay... so you say that atheism doesn't make sense, but yet a mystical being magically creates more than 1.4 million species in 6 days... that sounds perfectly reasonable....:rolleyes:

[Horizon]

I am an Atheist because I was born into a Religion free family. But I was also allowed to explore religions if it pleased me. My mom doesn't really feel like Religion explains anything to her, and she really doesn't like all the contradictions that come with it. I feel the same way. I mean, I am all for religious freedom. I won't judge you if you choose to have a certain religion. But I feel when religious people try and shove what they believe down your throats, it's wrong. I also think the Crusades were wrong as well. All the contradictions in the Christian Bible actually confuses me a little. So I have looked into religions, and none make sense to me. I like the way science has PROVEN everything from the creation of our world, to how it's going to end. So.... Yeah

I am NOT atheist because it does make sense for me :)
image (http://fussilat.com/qc/quranclub/photos/2010/01/03/funny_atheism_definition.jpg)

To be proud of being atheist, It is exactly like being proud of not believing that 1+1 equals 3.

Scientists talk about God, Is there a God? Evidence from universe that God exists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICJEf28VJuo&feature=player_embedded)
God Arises (http://cpsglobal.org/content/god-arises-1) : Read Online (http://cpsglobal.org/content/god-arises-0) Download (http://cpsglobal.org/sites/default/files/God-Arises-cps.pdf)

Hope this helps to enlighten !


That picture is highly incorrect. There was no magic in the creation of the universe. But it makes so much more sense that there was nothing and then some magical being came out of nowhere, creating everything within in a couple of days. I hate to say it, but science has taken all religion down by proving the creation of the earth and humans was through time and evolution, not because some Divine Being waved his hand and everything was made.

Merged double post. -Gigablue

[MrDaniel2K13]

I'm an Atheist for two reasons, One; I have read about Quantum and Theoretical Physics and feel like that explains how our universe was created and develops and also, The idea of people being controlled and having to follow a set of rules which aren't law seems wrong .

[Zaposchk]

my only problem with this thread is the OP specifying, and I quote:

obviously for only atheists to answer

why? by restricting who is allowed to post in the thread and what kind of views are worthy of being presented you're propagating the same totalitarian mentality which exists within the strictly religious community; this makes you no better than them in my opinion, but alas i don't wish to personally attack you.

~~~

as for me, I equate the notion of a divine entity to the universe itself. the same holiness that religious people attach to what they perceive as god, i affiliate that with existence itself. i don't much care for traditionalism and standardised 'methods' of being close to god such as going to a temple or conforming to the usual way of praying, i just know that i'm spiritual in my own sweet time and let others believe what they like, but at the same time i remain open for discussion.

[Professional Russian]

my only problem with this thread is the OP specifying, and I quote:



why? by restricting who is allowed to post in the thread and what kind of views are worthy of being presented you're propagating the same totalitarian mentality which exists within the strictly religious community; this makes you no better than them in my opinion, but alas i don't wish to personally attack you.

~~~

as for me, I equate the notion of a divine entity to the universe itself. the same holiness that religious people attach to what they perceive as god, i affiliate that with existence itself. i don't much care for traditionalism and standardised 'methods' of being close to god such as going to a temple or conforming to the usual way of praying, i just know that i'm spiritual in my own sweet time and let others believe what they like, but at the same time i remain open for discussion.

Why is it for atheists only? Because the title asks what are you atheist is like rocket science to understand that?

[Zaposchk]

Why is it for atheists only? Because the title asks what are you atheist is like rocket science to understand that?

no, all i was promoting was that as a member of a religious or irreligious community one should refrain from excluding people that don't belong in -said- (ir)religious group. just makes for a more open discussion.

[Apollo.]

That pic is sooo true. U seriously dont make sense hahahah

So being an atheist is stupid and makes no sense? How about the magic man that lives in the sky got someone pregnant without touching them and created 2 people put them in a magic garden with a forbidden tree and brought his son back to life makes total sense? Hahahaha, you guys crack me up!

[Gandalf]

I'm atheist because I dont believe in god (ok that was a cheap gag) but seriously.

I was fed up of being agnostic. If I'm totally honest it comes from a horrible twisted resentment towards my deeply christian friends. "I respect you believe in god, just stop pushing it down my throught or using religion to make yourself feel important and wise."


One guy posts these posts on facebook which are meant to sound awe inspiringly motivational and deep in meaning. He has no clue what deep meaning is. He's never faced adversity like I have. #Go away.

Sorry if this has gone off topic. I didn't want to offend anybody either.

[ChickenCasseroleYum]

Ohhh, this is tricky. I guess one big part of why I'm not religious is because of my upbringing. We've NEVER been a very religious family. I never went to church or read the Bible or anything, even though my mother's religious and I was actually christened.

Although, back when I was a kid, I did believe in God, even if only just. I prayed usually for comfort or peace of mind. But then as I got older, I just kind of grew out of praying and completely forgot about God (lol).

Then for a while, I was at a standstill and didn't know whether or not He existed. Then I started thinking about the origins of religion and surmised that it was just (from my perspective) a way to lay down moral standings. I supposed people would be less inclined to steal if they thought they'd be eternally damned for it. My friend says it was a way for 'the rich to control the poor'. Though, I guess thinking all religions are the same is bigoted..

And now I can't bring myself to believe in Him because I find the whole idea, humorous. The 'ridiculous' kind of 'humorous'. Call me closed minded, but I just feel like the 'sciencey' (lol) explanation for how the world began is way more believable. I just can't believe in something that doesn't make scientific sense, especially to such a degree. I also don't believe in ghosts.

[Jess]

my only problem with this thread is the OP specifying, and I quote:



why? by restricting who is allowed to post in the thread and what kind of views are worthy of being presented you're propagating the same totalitarian mentality which exists within the strictly religious community; this makes you no better than them in my opinion, but alas i don't wish to personally attack you.

~~~

as for me, I equate the notion of a divine entity to the universe itself. the same holiness that religious people attach to what they perceive as god, i affiliate that with existence itself. i don't much care for traditionalism and standardised 'methods' of being close to god such as going to a temple or conforming to the usual way of praying, i just know that i'm spiritual in my own sweet time and let others believe what they like, but at the same time i remain open for discussion.

Why would a religious person answer? The question is specifically targeted at atheists and there's no reason for a religious person to reply unless they're trying to convert us or something. And anyways, I can't actually restrict who posts as religious people can still post here (it's already been done) but they're wasting their time posting in this thread, as the question is for atheists to answer.

[Coolboi]

I must research this then ill be back to coment !

[Jen Jones]

because there is absolutly no proof that any god exists

[galacticlullaby]

I'm atheist because I just don't think there's a God. We would have proof by now, since we have proof of so many other unfathomable things. The bible is just a silly story book; a lot of it contradicts itself proving some person had just wrote it for whatever reason. I don't know, even though I was brought up in a strong catholic family and went to church until I was ten, I've never been able to believe it.

[TigerBoy]

Atheism: The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing then magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever [sic] into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense.

The term "atheist" does not describe someone who claims an explanation for the universe, simply someone who doesn't replace "I don't know" with "god did it".

What your definition appears to be trying to mock is 'science' not 'atheism', but then sloppy thinking is a core trait of theists.

"The belief that there was nothing"
- actually no, scientists aren't sure about what happened before the big bang. Some have hypotheses, but there is certainly no consensus of 'belief' about this.

"then magically exploded for no reason"
- no, the big bang is just one theory and not is the only possibility that science has postulated. "Magic" is the province of theism, not science.

"and nothing happened to nothing"
- no, there are actually quite a few hypotheses that indicate that very precise things might have happened, and that 'nothing' is a relative term in physics (the vacuum of space was considered 'nothing' for a long time but now we understand that is not true).

"creating everything"
- in that the sum of energy and matter in the universe arose from some event, possibly. Again ascribing 'belief' to this hypothesis is too strong a word. Scientists are professional sceptics.

"and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever[sic]"
No, "magic" is what theists use to "explain" things.
Scientists look for those reasons and have some very good theories about how energy and matter relate. "Whatsoever" is also one word.

"into self-replicating bits"
Matter is not self replicating. I don't expect ignorant theists to understand that one, but neither scientists nor atheists claim to believe that one. The biology of DNA might involve replication of a pattern, but that pattern is made out of matter borrowed from that already present in the universe, and not created 'magically' by the process of reproduction.

"which then turned into dinosaurs"
- and everything else in existence.

"Makes perfect sense".
- No it really doesn't. Go study science before attempting to disregard it, otherwise you just come out with foolish nonsense like this meme.

In summary, your borrowed definition is bollocks, just like every other "argument" theists use to justify their delusions.

The above leads into my main reason for being an agnostic atheist - because I find the irrationality and stupidity of of the vast majority of theists to be an anathema and I would be horrified to be perceived as being in any way aligned with their stunted thought processes and proud traditions of cognitive dissonance. That and the complete lack of any reason to believe in any form of supernatural interference in the universe. Oh, and the ongoing demonstration by theists that their religion is merely a comforting crutch to salve emotional pain, a plaster to hide the unsettling gaps in their understanding, and a shield from behind which to promote whatever bigotry is in their hearts. Not forgetting the evangelists who fail to understand that their preaching is as welcome as someone who farts in our face in the expectation we'll want to 'pass it on' like some kid in primary school.

[ash1520]

because there is absolutly no proof that any god exists

While there may not be actual proof of a God or the exsistence of one many events in the bible have been proven to have a basis in reality so what does that make the Bible nothing more than a history book to some. One thing is for sure is that there will come a day for each and everyone of us when we will know one way or another. If it's like you say. The light goes out there's nothing, but on the other hand what if there is something after death and when you get there what are you going to say sorry there was no proof. Every one has a choice good luck with yours.

[TigerBoy]

While there may not be actual proof of a God or the exsistence of one
No 'may' about it. There is not.


many events in the bible have been proven to have a basis in reality so what does that make the Bible nothing more than a history book to some.
History books are rarely accepted as such if they only have "many" events recorded correctly. They would be about as useful as a musical score with most of the correct notes, which is to say not very much use at all.

but on the other hand what if there is something after death and when you get there what are you going to say sorry there was no proof.
I don't think you understand rational thought. If faced with proof of a deity, there is no longer a requirement for unfounded "belief" and a rational person would be happy to finally know the truth. If said hypothetical deity has a problem with that after playing silly buggers with mankind for a few millennia, frankly they're not worthy of respect on either intellectual or moral grounds.

Something tells me you didn't read the thread title.

[Jen Jones]

im not going to get in a debate over this, i was just expressing my opinion

[ash1520]

No 'may' about it. There is not.


History books are rarely accepted as such if they only have "many" events recorded correctly. They would be about as useful as a musical score with most of the correct notes, which is to say not very much use at all.


I don't think you understand rational thought. If faced with proof of a deity, there is no longer a requirement for unfounded "belief" and a rational person would be happy to finally know the truth. If said hypothetical deity has a problem with that after playing silly buggers with mankind for a few millennia, frankly they're not worthy of respect on either intellectual or moral grounds.

Something tells me you didn't read the thread title.

Oh I read the thread but everyone a right to an opossing opinion, are you threatened by it. Just accept that not everyone thinks the same and move on

im not going to get in a debate over this, i was just expressing my opinion

your absoulutley right everyone should have the right to express an opinion and i respect you for having yours even tho it's different from mine

Double post merged ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

[TigerBoy]

Oh I read the thread but everyone a right to an opossing opinion, are you threatened by it. Just accept that not everyone thinks the same and move on
*opposing.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but when it's silly and irrational I'm entitled to point that out. As for being threatened, yes, I am. I am threatened by religious nutters who use irrational delusions to justify oppressing others, which is precisely why I'm not going to 'move on' as you'd prefer.

I note that you have not made any intelligent response to any of the points I made to refute your nonsense.

You are also off topic, as I pointed out previously. If you want to proselytise, find another thread.

[ash1520]

if your a believer no proof or evidence is required if your a non believer no amount of proof or evidence will ever suffice To each his own

[TigerBoy]

if your a believer no proof or evidence is required
*you're
Is this about aliens, Santa, or fairies now? Unreasoned gullibility really isn't something to be proud of.

if your a non believer no amount of proof or evidence will ever suffice
*you're
Incorrect. Any evidence will be fine.

To each his own
If you actually believe that, why are you still posting in a thread that is about atheism, when you clearly aren't an atheist?

[ash1520]

*you're
Is this about aliens, Santa, or fairies now? Unreasoned gullibility really isn't something to be proud of.


*you're
Incorrect. Any evidence will be fine.


If you actually believe that, why are you still posting in a thread that is about atheism, when you clearly aren't an atheist?

I dunno call me a missionary don't they go where non believers live

[TigerBoy]

I dunno call me a missionary don't they go where non believers live
You'd be well advised to find another pastime.

You previously stated 'to each his own' and yet you have now stated you are here as a 'missionary', and thus clearly you don't believe 'to each his own'.

Are you dishonest, or simply very confused?

[FreeFall]

I dunno call me a missionary don't they go where non believers live
Forgive me, but reading your last part I envisioned a colony on an island full of atheists with coconuts.

Funny thing about missionaries. The people that don't know your god or have a way of getting him into their hearts, will welcome you.
The people like me who "defected" from a religion, are the ones army crawling across the floor avoiding the windows pissed off that you dare wake us up at 8am on Saturdays with a pamphlet and bible.

Most people here seem to know why they're atheists, you have no mission here lil one.

[CharlieHorse]

I looked at every religion and saw that they all had something after death. Whether an afterlife, a paradise, hell or some variant, or reincarnation, there's always a promise that death is not the end. This relates to ancient cultures having some method of lessening the fear of death. The Aztecs had human sacrifices to please their gods so they would have good harvests and not die horribly. The Greeks and Romans had similar practices, though not human sacrifices. Both of these made me realize that religion was created specifically to lessen the fear of death. People identify with any religion to make themselves feel more at ease with dying because religion promises something after death.

Now, while I won't say that I am comfortable with dying, I can say that fear of death is just one type of fear of the unknown, a universal trait among humans. This is why people are afraid of the dark, because they don't know what's out there. I am an atheist because I do not wish to, for lack of a better term, hide behind a veil of false promises, as I see them. I think that we, as a species, should learn to embrace the unknown and accept it for what it is.

My god (lol irony), this is perfect, can I quote this to use for any religious debates I get into? :)

[Canadian Dream]

I used to go to a catholic school, but I never really believed in god, because in my mind there needs to be a scientific explanation to every phenomenon, and so religion generally doesn't have a scientific explanation related to a phenomenon.

[TheBassoonist]

My god (lol irony), this is perfect, can I quote this to use for any religious debates I get into? :)

I don't see why not.

[Mirage]

Well I guess I'm too led to believe science over religion.
There is literally ZERO scientific proof that any higher deity exists. And if it did, don't you think it would've made itself apparent to us by now?

[Tolso]

I'm agnostic.

[CrashingWaves]

Why am I an atheist?

Honestly, the main reason is that I haven't been to church in 6 years, and am for the most part in an irreligious family, or, rather, one that doesn't overtly care about religion. It also helped that my best friend is an atheist, and he's what truly moved me from indifference to religion to outright disbelief in god. Nowadays, whenever I here stuff from the bible, it just sounds far fetched, and in my opinion science has better answers.

Also I'm not quite sure why people would look towards "god" for morals and inspiration, when it is he that has engendered a lot of violence and hatred in the world. I don't need "god" to tell me how to be a good person. I don't need "god's" promise of heaven and threat of hell to want to live a good life. I know how, because I have a conscience, and I want to live with a clear conscience. But one thing I do figure, if "god" exists and is truly as good as people try to make him out to be, he would not care so much about how piously you lived your life, but rather how well/morally did you live your life.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Yeah, thought u wouldn't know!

I thought there weren't people that lacked common sense. Not exactly was I just proven wrong, but totally wrong, because of people who say stuff like the above quote.

[ayelove100]

So being an atheist is stupid and makes no sense? How about the magic man that lives in the sky got someone pregnant without touching them and created 2 people put them in a magic garden with a forbidden tree and brought his son back to life makes total sense? Hahahaha, you guys crack me up!

No that doesnt make sense cuz im not christian but im muslim. I used to be but it made no sense thats why me and my family conveted. God is not a man, he created man, it says it in the Quran. It also says it in the bible but the bible was adjusted by human as to the quran was not. In Islam Jesus is not the son of god, but he is a profit. I will agree, Jesus being the son of god makes no sense what so ever and thats one of he reasons we converted. Learn the religion first before u judge.

I thought there weren't people that lacked common sense. Not exactly was I just proven wrong, but totally wrong, because of people who say stuff like the above quote.

Ohh ur cool....find something to do cuz I was talking to an athiestic, ppl who have commen sense wouldn't think an athiestic would know what it means to be saved by religion since they have no religion.

Merged double post. -Gigablue

[TigerBoy]

No that doesnt make sense u idiot cuz im not christian but im muslim. I used to be but it made no sense thats why me and my family conveted.
*doesn't *you *because *I'm *Christian *Muslim
Because the sun setting in a puddle, flying horses and marrying a 9 year old are all perfectly sensible.


God is not a man, he created man, it says it in the Quran. It also says it in the bible but the bible was adjusted by human as to the quran was not.
Doubtful, and in any case you achieve the same ends through vast numbers of 'supplements' rather than inline editing.


In Islam Jesus is not the son of god, but he is a profit. I will agree, Jesus being the son of god makes no sense what so ever and thats one of he reasons we converted.
*prophet *that's *the
And yet Jesus making a clay bird fly away by breathing on it does? You are hardly in a position to call other people's beliefs nonsensical.

Learn the religion first before u judge.
*you
Yeah, learn about turning people into pigs and monkeys and about killing people with dismembered bits of bright yellow cows before you mock people. Boy, bet you feel silly now, Nick?

Ohh ur cool....stfu and find something to do cuz I was talking to an athiestic, ppl who have commen sense wouldn't think an athiestic would know what it means to be saved by religion since they have no religion.
*you're *atheistic *people *common
You were in fact being patronising to other people assuming that they were more ignorant about your religion than you have already shown yourself to be in other threads (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=158600).

[ayelove100]

*doesn't *you *because *I'm *Christian *Muslim
Because the sun setting in a puddle, flying horses and marrying a 9 year old are all perfectly sensible.
Cultures back then are different then now. It was also a little age gap between them. Remember this is long ago and cultures at the time is different. Look at urselfes before u judge. You christians have sex with no marriage and rape kids. This is all not permissible in Islam because allah wants to protect us. We have respect and this doesn't change islam in my eyes because they had something called MARRIAGE and its not like he was very old and married a very young girl. They were both very young. And who are you to judge that?! I don't know but all i know is your someone who judges people and needs to be judged yourself. Are you aware that in the US before the 1890's, the age of consent was 10yrs in some states, and 12yrs in others, with Delaware being 7yrs? 7 yrs old. It wasn't until 1920, through the actions of "feminists and children's rights activists", that it was finally raised in all states to be 16-18. http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules…


Doubtful, and in any case you achieve the same ends through vast numbers of 'supplements' rather than inline editing.
You don't know what you are saying so go stfu.



*you
Yeah, learn about turning people into pigs and monkeys and about killing people with dismembered bits of bright yellow cows before you mock people. Boy, bet you feel silly now, Nick?
I don't feel the least bit silly because your posts hardly make sense. haha really you make no sense at all. You also don't understand religion and never asked yourself how and why did this happen and went to learn about it as to searching about it over the internet.
*you're *atheistic *people *common
You were in fact being patronising to other people assuming that they were more ignorant about your religion than you have already shown yourself to be in other threads (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=158600).
I dont care what the hell you kafara think about Islam. I wont say my religion because it doesnt belong to me and all people are welcome to repent and join. If you think you or anyone elses words give a difference in me, it doesnt ur just another person having nothing to do on the internet and think u can diss someone about their religion. Well no... sorry but if you really want to ty to make yourself seem smart u gotta make sense first.

[TigerBoy]

Cultures back then are different then now. It was also a little age gap between them. Remember this is long ago and cultures at the time is different. Look at urselfes before u judge. You christians
I'm not a Christian. Your presumption is amusing, since you got so butthurt by the same thing yourself.


And who are you to judge that?!

Someone who vomits at the thought of paedophilia.


You don't know what you are saying so go stfu.

Like I said your knowledge of your religion - like your attitude - is appalling. You were even told about the Hadith system in the thread I referenced previously.

I don't feel the least bit silly because your posts hardly make sense. haha really you make no sense at all. You also don't understand religion and never asked yourself how and why did this happen and went to learn about it as to searching about it over the internet.

I have little hope my posts will ever make sense to you, but I have given you a fighting chance by being at least capable of forming logical arguments in gramatically correct language.

I dont care what the hell you kafara think about Islam. I wont say my religion because it doesnt belong to me and all people are welcome to repent and join. If you think you or anyone elses words give a difference in me, it doesnt ur just another person having nothing to do on the internet and think u can diss someone about their religion. Well no... sorry but if you really want to ty to make yourself seem smart u gotta make sense first.
You are posting about your religion in a thread for atheists. By that fact alone, it is clearly you who came here wanting your "words to give a difference in us". All you've achieved as far as I'm concerned is to confirm the stereotype of an angry hypocritical religious fanatic.

[ayelove100]

I'm not a Christian. Your presumption is amusing, since you got so butthurt by the same thing yourself.


Yeah ik ur no the only one reading this are you?


Like I said your knowledge of your religion - like your attitude - is appalling. You were even told about the Hadith system in the thread I referenced previously.

This is what pisses me off. When i was christian and I cursed no one ever said anything like this to me. Your atitude is based on your religion. And because now I am muslim you will judge me if i curse?! Cursing is against islam but guess what, now a days i act by the way other humans act to me. How come other religions wont get judged if someone curses. And islam is the only religion that if someone gets angry and curses or says something mean, it will get judged right away. This is called prejudice. We are all human and have different attitudes!
I have little hope my posts will ever make sense to you, but I have given you a fighting chance by being at least capable of forming logical arguments in gramatically correct language.


Why are you mad that I am muslim and so badly want to change my mind! I want to let you know this, even if there is no god at the end (which there will be but im making an example) what is there to lose in to being muslim if at the end we arent going to be judged. Think about it, it makes no sense!
You are posting about your religion in a thread for atheists. By that fact alone, it is clearly you who came here wanting your "words to give a difference in us". All you've achieved as far as I'm concerned is to confirm the stereotype of an angry hypocritical religious fanatic.
Nah im not waiting for your opinions at all...thats why i dont care and am still debating.

[Jess]

You christians have sex with no marriage and rape kids.

Christianity doesn't really allow that. I believe the Bible says that a girl has to prove her virginity on her wedding day or something (or else she gets stoned to death -- if I'm wrong correct me)


We have respect and this doesn't change islam in my eyes because they had something called MARRIAGE and its not like he was very old and married a very young girl. They were both very young.

Where did you read that they were both very young? I'm pretty sure it wasn't like that and that the girl was only like 9 and the husband WAY older

[ayelove100]

Christianity doesn't really allow that. I believe the Bible says that a girl has to prove her virginity on her wedding day or something (or else she gets stoned to death -- if I'm wrong correct me)
No your not wrong i think. But yes, every religion had people that go against it so don't judge religion based on the bad.



Where did you read that they were both very young? I'm pretty sure it wasn't like that and that the girl was only like 9 and the husband WAY older
I still didnt get into contact with my Imam but I heard about it. I also read it multiple times in forums. Islamic ones, but i also read that they had an age difference, i am still asking about it. Anyways people back then used to die at a young age and didnt live longer lives, so marrying young makes sense if they dont live long. Culture is different nowadays.

[FreeFall]

I still didnt get into contact with my Imam but I heard about it. I also read it multiple times in forums. Islamic ones, but i also read that they had an age difference, i am still asking about it. Anyways people back then used to die at a young age and didnt live longer lives, so marrying young makes sense if they dont live long. Culture is different nowadays.
The culture isn't so advanced from back then, as you like to think.

The Child Brides in modern times (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200555/The-British-child-brides-Muslim-mosque-leaders-agree-marry-girl-12--long-parents-dont-tell-anyone.html)
Nujood Ali (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/years_old_and_divorced_byeafiggbzpkPr1F6HvUNP)
In Canada (http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/03/11/13201531.html)

Both religion and culture, it seems. What puzzles me most is Muhammad was against forced marriage, poor treatment and his most strongest standing BOTH parties being consented. These modern day cases don't seem to be abiding his teaching.

[ayelove100]

The culture isn't so advanced from back then, as you like to think.

The Child Brides in modern times (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200555/The-British-child-brides-Muslim-mosque-leaders-agree-marry-girl-12--long-parents-dont-tell-anyone.html)
Nujood Ali (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/years_old_and_divorced_byeafiggbzpkPr1F6HvUNP)
In Canada (http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/03/11/13201531.html)

Both religion and culture, it seems. What puzzles me most is Muhammad was against forced marriage, poor treatment and his most strongest standing BOTH parties being consented. These modern day cases don't seem to be abiding his teaching.

Yeah people these days don't follow religion correctly and make some religions look bad. Its sad and its also annoying because it gives people chances to confront religions even know is very clear that you should not be doing it. For example, terroism is against Islam. Yet there are some groups that still do it. I think about it and i realized well us americans arent any better. We went into gaza, palestine, Iraq and killed many innocent people for no reason. The same way the terrorist did. But we killed more poeple than terrorist. I think about it and realize we are just as bad. So we cant judge them because we did what they did. They went against their religion while they killed the innocent people. They were thinking about wanting revenge though by immitating what we did. Killing innocent people! Its completely wrong though.....and if you watched the news at the time and saw how people in those countries were getting killed and the tortures they went through....its really sad that humans would do this to each other. We are all the same kind but we are still hating and killig because we are different in looks cultue and religion.

[TigerBoy]

Yeah ik ur no the only one reading this are you?

Don't be disingenuous: you were clearly replying to me by quoting my post.

This is what pisses me off. When i was christian and I cursed no one ever said anything like this to me.

I do sympathise: this is how I feel when ignorant Christians try to talk about a faith they don't understand too. Perhaps either you knew more about Christianity, or the Christians you were talking to didn't know any better themselves.

Your atitude is based on your religion. And because now I am muslim you will judge me if i curse?! Cursing is against islam but guess what, now a days i act by the way other humans act to me.

I haven't sworn at you or called you an idiot, and neither did anyone else you have sworn at or called names as far as I can see. You did the same thing in the other thread I referenced until a moderator called you out on it.

How come other religions wont get judged if someone curses.

I commented on your attitude, not that of your religion.

This is called prejudice. We are all human and have different attitudes!

No, this is called a strawman argument which you have created all by yourself. I am commenting on you personally swearing. As you state, your religion is against it so on that Islam and I are in agreement.

Why are you mad that I am muslim and so badly want to change my mind! I want to let you know this, even if there is no god at the end (which there will be but im making an example) what is there to lose in to being muslim if at the end we arent going to be judged. Think about it, it makes no sense!

I'm not mad that you are a Muslim. I disapprove of rudeness and hypocrisy, of religions imposing their views on others, and of swearing and sloppy thinking.

[ayelove100]

Don't be disingenuous: you were clearly replying to me by quoting my post.
Don't play urself u know other ppl read this!!!

I do sympathise: this is how I feel when ignorant Christians try to talk about a faith they don't understand too. Perhaps either you knew more about Christianity, or the Christians you were talking to didn't know any better themselves.

Umm no actually u said u arent christian so ughh like u lie a lot in ur posts.
I haven't sworn at you or called you an idiot, and neither did anyone else you have sworn at or called names as far as I can see. You did the same thing in the other thread I referenced until a moderator called you out on it.

a lot of ppl swear on here and no moderator ever called me out ;/
I commented on your attitude, not that of your religion.
No you said your attitude is based on your religion so you did. You are the worst liar cuz the proof is in your face.

No, this is called a strawman argument which you have created all by yourself. I am commenting on you personally swearing. As you state, your religion is against it so on that Islam and I are in agreement.
Ik...but you said your attitude is based on your religion. :what:

I'm not mad that you are a Muslim. I disapprove of rudeness and hypocrisy, of religions imposing their views on others, and of swearing and sloppy thinking.

Thats me thats swearing not my religion! So its me the one that ur callling those names and dont bring religion on attitude cuz everyone has different attitudes.

Don't be disingenuous: you were clearly replying to me by quoting my post.


I do sympathise: this is how I feel when ignorant Christians try to talk about a faith they don't understand too. Perhaps either you knew more about Christianity, or the Christians you were talking to didn't know any better themselves.


I haven't sworn at you or called you an idiot, and neither did anyone else you have sworn at or called names as far as I can see. You did the same thing in the other thread I referenced until a moderator called you out on it.


I commented on your attitude, not that of your religion.


No, this is called a strawman argument which you have created all by yourself. I am commenting on you personally swearing. As you state, your religion is against it so on that Islam and I are in agreement.


I'm not mad that you are a Muslim. I disapprove of rudeness and hypocrisy, of religions imposing their views on others, and of swearing and sloppy thinking.

Its very hard to explain religion while typing because it takes a long time.....so go to ummah.com/forum/ and make an account and the people on there are like your age and they explain your questions in ggreat detail. As to me i just dont put great detail because i am rushed

Instead of double-posting, please use the "Edit" or "Multi-quote" buttons. ~TheMatrix

[TigerBoy]

Don't play urself u know other ppl read this!!!

This is a thread for atheists. Even assuming you weren't talking to me (which you clearly were) by definition they aren't very likely to be Christians.

Umm no actually u said u arent christian so ughh like u lie a lot in ur posts.

Please try reading what I'm actually writing and not getting yourself worked up over imagined offences, you are making yourself look foolish.

a lot of ppl swear on here and no moderator ever called me out ;/

Yep right here (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2050153&postcount=80), as I was trying to stop you calling people asses amongst other things.

No you said your attitude is based on your religion so you did. You are the worst liar cuz the proof is in your face.

Where? Show me exactly where I said that. Quote the words, if you can manage to use the quote function correctly for a change.

Thats me thats swearing not my religion! So its me the one that ur callling those names and dont bring religion on attitude cuz everyone has different attitudes.

Again try reading what I'm writing. You seem to just be here to troll this thread.

[TheMatrix]

Can we please stay on topic? Thank you!

[Apollo.]

No that doesnt make sense u idiot cuz im not christian but im muslim. I used to be but it made no sense thats why me and my family conveted. God is not a man, he created man, it says it in the Quran. It also says it in the bible but the bible was adjusted by human as to the quran was not. In Islam Jesus is not the son of god, but he is a profit. I will agree, Jesus being the son of god makes no sense what so ever and thats one of he reasons we converted. Learn the religion first before u judge.



Ohh ur cool....stfu and find something to do cuz I was talking to an athiestic, ppl who have commen sense wouldn't think an athiestic would know what it means to be saved by religion since they have no religion.

Merged double post. -Gigablue

Firstly with grammar like that you are the idiot so keep your insults to yourself until you become literate you pathetic little girl, secondly god doesn't exist so he didn't create man. This is why you guys amuse me you try and defend some bullshit story to the death it's really quite comical.

I'm going to leave it at that since I'm still laughing at someone illiterate calling me stupid.

[Jess]

Ohh ur cool....stfu and find something to do cuz I was talking to an athiestic, ppl who have commen sense wouldn't think an athiestic would know what it means to be saved by religion since they have no religion.

I doubt that...usually atheists know more about religion than people who are religious, and so they would know what it means to be "saved by religion". Just saying.

[ayelove100]

Firstly with grammar like that you are the idiot so keep your insults to yourself until you become literate you pathetic little girl, secondly god doesn't exist so he didn't create man. This is why you guys amuse me you try and defend some bullshit story to the death it's really quite comical.

I'm going to leave it at that since I'm still laughing at someone illiterate calling me stupid.

God does exist and what you think is bullshit. I dont care what you think though because you will go to hell in the end and know that there is a god that created man and is not man. Leave it at that because your dumbass self wont know how to answer.
Ohh and about my grammer if i wanted to fix it there is something called spell check, but unlike you i dont have the time, and people can still understand it since they are replying!

I doubt that...usually atheists know more about religion than people who are religious, and so they would know what it means to be "saved by religion". Just saying.

Maybe you but not most because i had a friend who was athiestic and she barely knew anything. And i doubt they know more than religious people :/

Merged double post. -Gigablue

[Apollo.]

God does exist and what you think is bullshit. I dont care what you think though because you will go to hell in the end and know that there is a god that created man and is not man. Leave it at that because your dumbass self wont know how to answer.
Ohh and about my grammer if i wanted to fix it there is something called spell check, but unlike you i dont have the time, and people can still understand it since they are replying!

Ok then stick to whatever fucking crazy god you believe in then. Shame I won't be able to laugh when all the religious nutters are rotting in the ground next to me instead of up in the sky or reincarnated.

The way you react shows your a bit of a nut case, I'm fed up being polite to people like you on this site. You are pathetic, near retarded and a bitch so I generally give no fuck what I say to you now. I'm sick of these threads or people on them telling me I'm going to hell either because I'm gay or don't believe in their fairy tales. Basically what I'm getting is at here is, fuck off I don't care what your opinion of me or my beliefs are so keep them to yourself.

[TigerBoy]

God does exist
Prove it, we don't believe you. Since you continue to remain off topic as you are not an atheist, you might as well do something useful with your time here.

I dont care what you think
Nor do we - the atheists and agnostics whose thread you are still trolling - have any reason to care what you think, if you will forgive me for such an inappropriate use of the term.

though because you will go to hell in the end and know that there is a god that created man and is not man.
No we won't, because it is all made up fairy stories.

Ohh and about my grammer if i wanted to fix it there is something called spell check, but unlike you i dont have the time, and people can still understand it since they are replying!
*grammar
Spell check corrects spelling, not grammar, hence the name. Don't let me put you off using both. Spelling a word correctly requires no more time than spelling one badly (except perhaps where you leave out a substantial proportion of the letters as you are wont to do) , one simply needs to know how to spell. It seems it is a shortness of lexicological ability, not time, that troubles you.

And i doubt they know more than religious people :/
Actually no, a Pew research study in May 2010 of religious knowledge showed that atheists scored far higher in knowledge about religion than religious people. 82% of atheists got over half marks and only 45% of religious.

[FreeFall]

Yeah people these days don't follow religion correctly and make some religions look bad. Its sad and its also annoying because it gives people chances to confront religions even know is very clear that you should not be doing it. For example, terroism is against Islam. Yet there are some groups that still do it. I think about it and i realized well us americans arent any better. We went into gaza, palestine, Iraq and killed many innocent people for no reason. The same way the terrorist did. But we killed more poeple than terrorist. I think about it and realize we are just as bad. So we cant judge them because we did what they did. They went against their religion while they killed the innocent people. They were thinking about wanting revenge though by immitating what we did. Killing innocent people! Its completely wrong though.....and if you watched the news at the time and saw how people in those countries were getting killed and the tortures they went through....its really sad that humans would do this to each other. We are all the same kind but we are still hating and killig because we are different in looks cultue and religion.
You: The culture is more advanced and child marriages aren't a baaad! = Cake
Me in response: The culture isn't as much, proof of child marriages = fork for the cake
You currently: I'll be speaking about cars now and the mechanics of them.

You dropped the fork and are trying to do that awful pointing finger thing, cars. What did I say about America? What did I say about Americans? Was I not merely pointing out how you're wrong about the culture and religion having changed into a more child/woman friendly environment? No.

Partially why I'm atheist. Won't get swallowed up and swung along by the rush of an organized religion and/or faith.

[CharlieFinley]

As the title says, it's for atheists to answer. If you're religious, I'll ask politely for you to not reply, as there's no reason for you to. Thanks

I think of myself as being religious with serious doubts. I'll explain those doubts. I hope that's alright.

I frequently think of the concept of the afterlife as a self-delusion, a way to cope with the idea of life irrevocably ending.

I'm trying to overcome those doubts. It's a difficult process.

[TigerBoy]

I think of myself as being religious with serious doubts. I'll explain those doubts. I hope that's alright.

I frequently think of the concept of the afterlife as a self-delusion, a way to cope with the idea of life irrevocably ending.

I'm trying to overcome those doubts. It's a difficult process.

I think the 'insurance policy' approach to religion is perfectly pragmatic, however if you are just 'giving god the benefit of the doubt' aren't you worried he'd see through the charade and treat you as a non-believer anyway? If you don't have faith, are you being entirely honest?

Philosophically I like where you are coming from as a premise for faith. Does it trouble you where you were before you were born too? My point being that logically 'beforelife' is as valid a concept as 'afterlife' and yet we tend to worry only about 'afterlife' simply because it represents an end of 'self', which implies our issue with thinking about an afterlife is emotionally blocked by its implications. It might be easier to ponder on 'beforelife' and avoid the emotional baggage.

[Bath]

Because the burden of proof is on religion. We are on this Earth with only our senses to give us information-- humans have come so far to find so many things about the universe, using our senses. Religion is the product of imagination, of wonder, of story-telling, before we found out so much about this world and above. If the idea of a god or gods made sense with what we know about the universe, then I would have no problem practicing whatever religion I felt true. But that's not the case.

[CharlieFinley]

I think the 'insurance policy' approach to religion is perfectly pragmatic, however if you are just 'giving god the benefit of the doubt' aren't you worried he'd see through the charade and treat you as a non-believer anyway? If you don't have faith, are you being entirely honest? I think you have it backwards. My problem with my religion is that I sometimes feel I'm treating it as an insurance policy, and that makes me doubt.

Philosophically I like where you are coming from as a premise for faith. Does it trouble you where you were before you were born too? My point being that logically 'beforelife' is as valid a concept as 'afterlife' and yet we tend to worry only about 'afterlife' simply because it represents an end of 'self', which implies our issue with thinking about an afterlife is emotionally blocked by its implications. It might be easier to ponder on 'beforelife' and avoid the emotional baggage.

Holy shit. Something about that hurts my head, but I think it's actually helping a bit. Thank you.

[ayelove100]

Basically what I'm getting is at here is, fuck off I don't care what your opinion of me or my beliefs are so keep them to yourself.

I was thinking the same thing....

[CharlieFinley]

God does exist and what you think is bullshit. I dont care what you think though because you will go to hell in the end and know that there is a god that created man and is not man. Leave it at that because your dumbass self wont know how to answer.
Ohh and about my grammer if i wanted to fix it there is something called spell check, but unlike you i dont have the time, and people can still understand it since they are replying!


Maybe you but not most because i had a friend who was athiestic and she barely knew anything. And i doubt they know more than religious people :/

Merged double post. -Gigablue
I would just like to compliment you on being a great emissary for religion to the atheistic masses. You've clearly impressed them all with your superior education and acceptance of other beliefs or lack thereof. I especially appreciated how you said their beliefs were bullshit, and they are dumbasses for believing what they do. Not to mention that you apparently understand neither the dictates of grammar nor debating practice. You're practically a prophet yourself.

"And lo, Elijah said their beliefs were bullshit, and they hearkened unto him. And they were dumbasses, for they believed not. And lo, Elijah ignored the rules of politeness and the grammar of his language, and the Lord was pleased."

[Mirage]

Firstly with grammar like that you are the idiot so keep your insults to yourself until you become literate you pathetic little girl, secondly god doesn't exist so he didn't create man. This is why you guys amuse me you try and defend some bullshit story to the death it's really quite comical.

I'm going to leave it at that since I'm still laughing at someone illiterate calling me stupid.

Stay on topic. If this turns into a bashfest, I will not hesitate to lock the topic. Also, if the bashing continues individual punishments will be handed out.

[ayelove100]

I would just like to compliment you on being a great emissary for religion to the atheistic masses. You've clearly impressed them all with your superior education and acceptance of other beliefs or lack thereof. I especially appreciated how you said their beliefs were bullshit, and they are dumbasses for believing what they do. Not to mention that you apparently understand neither the dictates of grammar nor debating practice. You're practically a prophet yourself.

"And lo, Elijah said their beliefs were bullshit, and they hearkened unto him. And they were dumbasses, for they believed not. And lo, Elijah ignored the rules of politeness and the grammar of his language, and the Lord was pleased."

Umm i guess thanks....anyways i am not a prophet at all because all of them are way greater than me because they are sent by allah/god and have went through soo much to save people but sadly people have a hard headed skull and wont realize it until they die. Just waite and ill get like 100 more quotes judging me on this. :) anyways thanks

[Majin Vegeta]

I'm an atheist with a Jehovah's Witness mom but a part of me never really believed in it and it got stronger as I got older and that's why I never went to the kingdom hall (their church)
I had to make it a stealth mission every year to go trick or treating, and to christmas/birthday parties. but aside from that there's way more reasons

they always taught that they were the only true religion and don't even call themselves christians cause they're too good for the title. they mock other christians and post-christianitiy jews (since they used to be jews before "jesus"). there's so much hatred and hypocrisy in the religion that pretends to be so loving. the god that they wrote about in their fictional book is a bully and tyrant and incompetent leader. this is just off the top of my head I can go on and on and love debating with intolerant christians online. I won't though cause it'd be too long and pretty much multiple tumblr posts lol.

I have tried other religions and forms of christianity and the only ones I like are judaism and buddhism but I still don't believe in a god (I know buddhists don't believe in it but still). I just hate how much war and hatred religion seems to cause. without religion we'd be far more advanced in science and world peace. countries like Sweden and Japan where 85% and 75% of the people aren't part of a religion are the most peaceful countries in the world.

many people believe in god and they're accepted for it but those same people mock Zeus. why do they mock the greeks for their gods?

one more thing cause this whole comment is getting pretty long and I have so many reasons and stories

we are atheist because of our knowledge of the bible, not a lack of it. atheists tend to know more about the bible then the majority of christians. that's why we don't believe in it. I'd rather be logical than "faithful"

[CharlieFinley]

Umm i guess thanks....anyways i am not a prophet at all because all of them are way greater than me because they are sent by allah/god and have went through soo much to save people but sadly people have a hard headed skull and wont realize it until they die. Just waite and ill get like 100 more quotes judging me on this. :) anyways thanks

Mine is one of those quotes. I was being incredibly sarcastic. You are hurting more than you are helping. You think calling people dumbasses is what will bring them to God? You think saying their beliefs are bullshit is what will save them? You are wrong. You are wrong, and you are needlessly angry, and you are making a horrible case for theism.

[ayelove100]

Mine is one of those quotes. I was being incredibly sarcastic. You are hurting more than you are helping. You think calling people dumbasses is what will bring them to God? You think saying their beliefs are bullshit is what will save them? You are wrong. You are wrong, and you are needlessly angry, and you are making a horrible case for theism.

ohh my god wow haha i knew it! yeah a first i never said any of this but then they called my belief bullshit and you think i dont have the right to say it in return. Well i do really.....anyways they dont want to get closer to god....they want to stay far away and they think that there is no god to stay close to. But there is and he is looking down upon you. At first i was trying to get them closer but every time i do they do their best to deny it. Then they say my dumbass selfs belief (and millions of others) is bullshit. Well you know what that tells me they dont want to learn and be proven but better the yet they want to start name calling which has no use in a rambling of the wise forum. My attitude is if you respect you will be given respect back. And the other way around. I dont need to kiss up to them and trry my best to encourage them while they are calling my beliefs bullshit.

[TigerBoy]

we are atheist because of our knowledge of the bible, not a lack of it. atheists tend to know more about the bible then the majority of christians. that's why we don't believe in it. I'd rather be logical than "faithful"
Exactly - and the Pew statistics I quoted earlier prove it, and apologists here have unwittingly demonstrated all too well.

I think you have it backwards. My problem with my religion is that I sometimes feel I'm treating it as an insurance policy, and that makes me doubt.

Holy shit. Something about that hurts my head, but I think it's actually helping a bit. Thank you.
For what its worth I don't think you have to make a choice between practical considerations and faith to that extent. If you don't have faith that is an entirely different issue. Choosing the right faith would be my concern if I weren't agnostic.

yet they want to start name calling which has no use in a rambling of the wise forum. My attitude is if you respect you will be given respect back. And the other way around..
YOU started the name calling in this thread when you called Nick an idiot and told him and then me to "shut the fuck up".

No that doesnt make sense u idiot cuz im not christian but im muslim. [...] Ohh ur cool....stfu and find something to do

This is exactly what you did in the other thread I referenced.

As far as I am concerned you continue to be an offensive off-topic troll intent on drawing other people into your silly game and getting them in trouble.

[ayelove100]

Prove it, we don't believe you. Since you continue to remain off topic as you are not an atheist, you might as well do something useful with your time here.


Nor do we - the atheists and agnostics whose thread you are still trolling - have any reason to care what you think, if you will forgive me for such an inappropriate use of the term.


No we won't, because it is all made up fairy stories.


*grammar
Spell check corrects spelling, not grammar, hence the name. Don't let me put you off using both. Spelling a word correctly requires no more time than spelling one badly (except perhaps where you leave out a substantial proportion of the letters as you are wont to do) , one simply needs to know how to spell. It seems it is a shortness of lexicological ability, not time, that troubles you.


Actually no, a Pew research study in May 2010 of religious knowledge showed that atheists scored far higher in knowledge about religion than religious people. 82% of atheists got over half marks and only 45% of religious.
. "If God created everything - then who created God?"
(may Allah forgive me)

"According to the Quran, Allah tells us that He is the only creator and sustainer of all that exists and that nothing and no one exists alongside Him, nor does He have any partners. He tells us that He is not created, nor is He like His creation in anyway. He calls Himself by a number of names and three of them are:
A) The First - (Al-Awal)
B) The Last - (Al Akhir)
C) The Eternal, who is sought after by His creation, while He has no need from them at all. (As-Samad)
He always has existed and He never was created, as He is not like His creation, nor similar to it, in any way.

"How can you believe in God, when you can't see, hear, touch, smell, taste or even imagine what He is?"


We know from the teachings of Muhammad, peace be upon him, that no one has ever actually seen God - at least not in this lifetime. Nor are we able to use our senses to make some kind of contact with Him. However, we are encouraged in Islam to use our senses and our common sense to recognize that all of this universe could not possibly come into existence on its own. Something had to design it all and then put it into motion. That is beyond our ability to do, yet it is something that we can understand.
We don't have to see an artist to recognize a painting, correct? So, if we see paintings without seeing artists painting them, in the same way, we can believe that Allah created everything without having to see Him (or touch, or hear, etc.).

"Is God pure, good, loving and fair? - If so, then where does evil, hatred and injustice come from?"


Allah tells us that He is Pure, Loving, and absolutely Just in every respect. He says that He is the Best of Judges. He also tells us that the life that we are in is a test. He has created all the things that exist and He has created all that happens as well. There is nothing in this existence except what He has created. He also says in the Quran that He created evil (although He is not evil). He is using this as one of the many tests for us.

"Can you prove there is a God?"


Can you prove that you exist? Yes, of course you can. You merely use your senses to determine that you can see, hear, feel, smell, taste and you have emotions as well. All of this is a part of your existence. But this is not how we perceive God in Islam. We can look to the things that He has created and the way that He cares for things and sustains us, to know that there is no doubt of His existence.

Think about this the next time that you are looking up at the moon or the stars on a clear night; could you drop a drinking glass on the sidewalk and expect that it would hit the ground and on impact it would not shatter, but it would divide up into little small drinking glasses, with iced tea in them? Of course not.

And then consider if a tornado came through a junkyard and tore through the old cars; would it leave behind a nice new Mercedes with the engine running and no parts left around? Naturally not.

Can a fast food restaurant operate itself without any people there? That's crazy for anyone to even think about.

After considering all of the above, how could we look to the universe above us through a telescope or observe the molecules in a microscope and then think that all of this came about as a result of a "big bang" or some "accident?"


Where is the proof that the Quran is from God?
Muslims have something that offers the most clear proof of all, The Holy Quran. There is no other book like it anywhere on earth. It is absolutely perfect in the Arabic language. It has no mistakes in grammar, meanings or context. The scientific evidences are well known around the entire world, even amongst non-Muslim scholars. Predictions in the Quran have come true; and its teachings are clearly for all people, all places and all times. No one has been able to produce a book like it, nor ten chapters like it, nor even one chapter like it. It was memorized by thousands of people during the lifetime of Muhammad, peace be upon him, and then this memorization was passed down from teacher to student for generation after generation, from mouth to ear and from one nation to another. Today every single Muslim has memorized some part of the Quran in the original Arabic language that it was revealed in over 1,400 years ago, even though most of them are not Arabs. There are over nine million (9,000,000) Muslims living on the earth today who have totally memorized the entire Quran, word for word, and can recite the entire Quran, in Arabic just as Muhammad, peace be upon him, did 14 centuries ago."

YOU started the name calling in this thread when you called Nick an idiot and told him and then me to "shut the fuck up".

Please go back and read and if you still think i did i will prove it.

[Jess]

ohh my god wow haha i knew it! yeah a first i never said any of this but then they called my belief bullshit and you think i dont have the right to say it in return. Well i do really.....anyways they dont want to get closer to god....they want to stay far away and they think that there is no god to stay close to. But there is and he is looking down upon you. At first i was trying to get them closer but every time i do they do their best to deny it. Then they say my dumbass selfs belief (and millions of others) is bullshit. Well you know what that tells me they dont want to learn and be proven but better the yet they want to start name calling which has no use in a rambling of the wise forum. My attitude is if you respect you will be given respect back. And the other way around. I dont need to kiss up to them and trry my best to encourage them while they are calling my beliefs bullshit.

Of course we don't want to get "close to god". We don't believe he exists! You may but we don't think he's "looking down on us". Just please stop trying to persuade us to believe in a god. This thread is supposed to be for atheists/agnostics to say why they are that, not for people such as you to try to prove a god. That's for another debate. We need to stay on topic. I don't want this thread locked >_>

[ImCoolBeans]

If you can't stay on topic then this thread will be closed. It's unfortunate that one or two people can ruin the thread for everybody; but offensive, off-topic remarks will not be tolerated. If there is one more instance of this the thread will be closed and infractions will be given out.

[CharlieFinley]

ohh my god wow haha i knew it! yeah a first i never said any of this but then they called my belief bullshit and you think i dont have the right to say it in return. Well i do really.....anyways they dont want to get closer to god....they want to stay far away and they think that there is no god to stay close to. But there is and he is looking down upon you. At first i was trying to get them closer but every time i do they do their best to deny it. Then they say my dumbass selfs belief (and millions of others) is bullshit. Well you know what that tells me they dont want to learn and be proven but better the yet they want to start name calling which has no use in a rambling of the wise forum. My attitude is if you respect you will be given respect back. And the other way around. I dont need to kiss up to them and trry my best to encourage them while they are calling my beliefs bullshit.
In that case, I would encourage you to reread the original post. You know, the one that says not to evangelize in this thread. The one you completely ignored. You are not in any way painting your religion in a positive light.

[ayelove100]

In that case, I would encourage you to reread the original post. You know, the one that says not to evangelize in this thread. The one you completely ignored. You are not in any way painting your religion in a positive light.
im editing all but i dunno.....its just when i write back i wanna get back to everyone so soon so people dont think i backed down or something cuz i wont.

[FreeFall]

Probably won't count but I asked my boyfriend why he's atheist.
What I gathered he's only atheist from spite. He doesn't want to go to mass, family makes him. He wants meat on Good Friday, family denies him. He doesn't want to eat that wafer and grape juice, family stares at him until he hides it or pretends to. So actually, meh. They try so hard to force him to god, that it doesn't become about god but the family's demands and desires being forced upon him. So he doesn't believe in him thanks to the family pushing him so hard to. Just the way he said it made me think of a "you will go to mass son!" "No dad, there is no god!" *dramatic stare and music as the camera pans in on a shocked father's face*

[CharlieFinley]

im editing all but i dunno.....its just when i write back i wanna get back to everyone so soon so people dont think i backed down or something cuz i wont.I would encourage you to go back and read what your religious texts say about peace and understanding, and then follow those dictates.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Ohh ur cool....find something to do cuz I was talking to an athiestic, ppl who have commen sense wouldn't think an athiestic would know what it means to be saved by religion since they have no religion.


Exactly what I meant is to me, religion makes no sense at all.
Why do people keep believing this stuff when there is more proof of the otherwise, no supreme entity exists. For example, I forgot how he explained it, but Steven Hawking explained how the Big Bang theory could theoretically be true, and how it happened. I think it could be somewhat explained like this. The "bubble" before the Big Bang. The bubble at the time was filled with matter and exploded similarly to a grenade, most like a frag. It blew up and the metaphorical shrapnel flew everywhere. That shrapnel formed what is today Earth and all else. The shrapnel did one thing unusual, it was putting itself together, creating planets. Asteroids were basic form. Just saying, there isn't proof to me for these beliefs with some validity so it makes no sense.

[Irishperson15]

if u say sin im imaginary, are you trying to say that there is no such thing as doing something wrong? I am not an atheist, i am Catholic, but i think people should worship some sort of God because sometimes it gives you a sense of purpose

[TigerBoy]

if u say sin im imaginary, are you trying to say that there is no such thing as doing something wrong? I am not an atheist, i am Catholic, but i think people should worship some sort of God because sometimes it gives you a sense of purpose

Morality does not require religion.

Existence does not imply purpose. If you wish to find meaning in your life there are many ways other than religion. Some people care for the sick and are rewarded by easing suffering, some teach and are rewarded by seeing minds develop, some collect money and are rewarded by bathing in champagne.

[Jess]

if u say sin im imaginary, are you trying to say that there is no such thing as doing something wrong? I am not an atheist, i am Catholic, but i think people should worship some sort of God because sometimes it gives you a sense of purpose

No, that's not what I mean. I don't know how to explain it and I think I just forgot why I said sin was imaginary...I think I was trying to say that it's a stupid concept and it was created to scare people to behave or something. Don't remember -_-

[Irishperson15]

oh i get what you are trying to say


Tigerboy, i was merely suggesting that SOME people use religion as a purpose in their lives

[TigerBoy]

oh i get what you are trying to say


Tigerboy, i was merely suggesting that SOME people use religion as a purpose in their lives
Even if you now reduce it to just 'some' people, the merit of religion as a "purpose" as an individual choice is not clear to me. It has been called "the opiate of the masses" (Karl Marx) since many see it as a tool of pacification to keep the sheeple from causing trouble. On that basis, I find it intellectually repulsive.

[Gigablue]

if u say sin im imaginary, are you trying to say that there is no such thing as doing something wrong? I am not an atheist, i am Catholic, but i think people should worship some sort of God because sometimes it gives you a sense of purpose

Isn't this basically saying that everyone should worship a god, regardless of whether the god exists, i.e. the truth is optional, belief is all that matters.

I think that you can have meaning without religion. People can feel a drive to do things without needing the supernatural. If anything, there not being a god makes everything more meaningful, since this is the only life we get.

[Majin Vegeta]

if u say sin im imaginary, are you trying to say that there is no such thing as doing something wrong? I am not an atheist, i am Catholic, but i think people should worship some sort of God because sometimes it gives you a sense of purpose

are you insinuating that you need religion to have a moral code or to have a purpose?

neither of those things are true

[Irishperson15]

are you insinuating that you need religion to have a moral code or to have a purpose?

neither of those things are true

What you did, was ask a question, then answer it yourself. That is not what I am saying, I was merely saying that SOME people use religion as a vocal point in their lives. I don't, but was suggesting that SOME people can and do choose to do so. Don't put words in my mouth

[Majin Vegeta]

What you did, was ask a question, then answer it yourself. That is not what I am saying, I was merely saying that SOME people use religion as a vocal point in their lives. I don't, but was suggesting that SOME people can and do choose to do so. Don't put words in my mouth

that last sentence sounded like you were, but ok.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

What you did, was ask a question, then answer it yourself. That is not what I am saying, I was merely saying that SOME people use religion as a vocal point in their lives. I don't, but was suggesting that SOME people can and do choose to do so. Don't put words in my mouth

The question was obviously rhetorical.

[Antisthenes]

I noticed after going through the pages that the people have in no small part been speaking ill of religion and not theism in their justification for their atheism. I would like to note that religion is not equivalent to theism, as, there are many a religion that are not theistic. By this, any man who is basing his justification for atheism on a disagreement with religion and not theism itself has been severely led astray as to how to appropriately reason.

We must make sure that we keep our eyes on that which is the same and that which is different. Many arguments and beliefs are self-deconstructing on a negligence of this necessary requirement for validity.

[CharlieHorse]

I noticed after going through the pages that the people have in no small part been speaking ill of religion and not theism in their justification for their atheism. I would like to note that religion is not equivalent to theism, as, there are many a religion that are not theistic. By this, any man who is basing his justification for atheism on a disagreement with religion and not theism itself has been severely led astray as to how to appropriately reason.

We must make sure that we keep our eyes on that which is the same and that which is different. Many arguments and beliefs are self-deconstructing on a negligence of this necessary requirement for validity.

Yeah, I was thinking that earlier...
Is it valid to say that I am not of a religion, and I am not theistic?

[Antisthenes]

Yeah, I was thinking that earlier...
Is it valid to say that I am not of a religion, and I am not theistic?

Of course. There's no reason that someone is unable to be both non-religious and non-theistic.

[CharlieFinley]

Even if you now reduce it to just 'some' people, the merit of religion as a "purpose" as an individual choice is not clear to me. It has been called "the opiate of the masses" (Karl Marx) since many see it as a tool of pacification to keep the sheeple from causing trouble. On that basis, I find it intellectually repulsive.

Marx had a lot of strange ideas about the masses. Some of them were even right.

I wouldn't say that religion is the opiate of the masses; it certainly wasn't designed to keep them in check.

If anything, it's a sock full of paint the masses huff.

[TigerBoy]

Marx had a lot of strange ideas about the masses. Some of them were even right.

I wouldn't say that religion is the opiate of the masses; it certainly wasn't designed to keep them in check.


Religion is expressly designed to exert control. It's very reason for existing is to ensure that it's followers worship a given faith in the correct manner by prescribing what must be done and prohibiting what must not. It consequently provides social control to the leadership which history (and current events) shows us is frequently abused to gain wealth and power, abuse personal freedoms and subvert the social status quo.

[CharlieFinley]

Religion is expressly designed to exert control. It's very reason for existing is to ensure that it's followers worship a given faith in the correct manner by prescribing what must be done and prohibiting what must not. It consequently provides social control to the leadership which history (and current events) shows us is frequently abused to gain wealth and power, abuse personal freedoms and subvert the social status quo.

"Designed to keep the people in check" implies control over a large portion of life. The religious control you describe consists of general guidelines in most areas of life (be nice to each other, be faithful) supplemented by specific guidelines in specific areas (don't eat pig, the Sabbath is holy).

[Renek]

I was raised by my grandparents up till i was 7. They tried to make me religious but i just never took interest in it. It just didnt appeal to me. I didnt have the "faith" necessary to believe in something i didnt want to follow. I enjoy my theology class (catholic school) but im still athiest

[Jess]

bump for anyone new.

[teen.jpg]

Because it's the only religious label that I don't completely disagree with.

[Croconaw]

I'm an atheist, raised by extreme christian parents... I am open about it, and I have been slapped and beaten for it, but I do believe what I want in life. I am an atheist by choice, and that will never change.

[chrisf55]

What do you mean WHY? There isn't very many reasons to be an Athiest. The only real one is because you don't believe in god because it's pretty much impossible.

[Jess]

What do you mean WHY? There isn't very many reasons to be an Athiest. The only real one is because you don't believe in god because it's pretty much impossible.

I thought it was obvious..."why" as in why you chose to be atheist...

[Ace of Spades]

I am an atheist because I don't believe in a higher power.
I am an atheist because the idea of a magic dude in the sky is completely ridiculous.
I am an atheist because I refuse to take part in cults that condone genocide, xenophobic, rape, etc...
I am an atheist because finding moral, political, and/or social relevance in a several thousand-year-old book is imbecilic.

[randomnessqueen]

im religious but im not here to argue against atheism.
ive a serious question for atheists.
do you think its better to believe in something thats not real and live a happy life, or believe otherwise, and live sad and cynical.

[Croconaw]

I'm an atheist and I'm doing just fine with life. I am a freethinker

[CharlieHorse]

im religious but im not here to argue against atheism.
ive a serious question for atheists.
do you think its better to believe in something thats not real and live a happy life, or believe otherwise, and live sad and cynical.

People are so diverse. So is happiness. Belief doesn't grant happiness, just as not believing doesn't grant unhappiness.
Happiness comes from yourself no matter what you believe.

[randomnessqueen]

People are so diverse. So is happiness. Belief doesn't grant happiness, just as not believing doesn't grant unhappiness.
Happiness comes from yourself no matter what you believe.

but for people who genuinely follow a religion, it brings them happiness. so for an atheist, do you think they should not do this?

[CharlieHorse]

but for people who genuinely follow a religion, it brings them happiness. so for an atheist, do you think they should not do this?

Some people experience happiness when practicing a religion and some don't. That is one of the reasons why there is an atheist population.

[Jess]

im religious but im not here to argue against atheism.
ive a serious question for atheists.
do you think its better to believe in something thats not real and live a happy life, or believe otherwise, and live sad and cynical.

Why would not believing in anything make one sad?

Some people don't need to believe in a deity to be happy.

[CharlieHorse]

Why would not believing in anything make one sad?

Some people don't need to believe in a deity to be happy.

Exactly

[Gigablue]

im religious but im not here to argue against atheism.
ive a serious question for atheists.
do you think its better to believe in something thats not real and live a happy life, or believe otherwise, and live sad and cynical.

I don't think that atheism leads to unhappiness, nor does religion lead to happiness. However, even it it did, I think the truth is more important. I would rather have the truth and be unhappy that be happy but deluded.

[Sir Suomi]

I've just got to ask one question: Can anyone who claims that their is absolutely, without a doubt, with solid evidence, no divine being(s) that exists. If you can give me an honest answer, than I may begin to understand atheism.

[Ace of Spades]

I've just got to ask one question: Can anyone who claims that their is absolutely, without a doubt, with solid evidence, no divine being(s) that exists. If you can give me an honest answer, than I may begin to understand atheism.

atheist |ˈāTHēˌist| noun
a person who does not believe in the existence of God or gods.

To be an atheist, one doesn't make a claim. Someone can make the claim that there isn't a god and be an atheist.
The burden of proof lies on the religious. The claim most religious people make is that there is a god, most atheists would say that there isn't enough evidence to make that claim.

I could ask you the same question you asked.
Can anyone who claims that their is absolutely, without a doubt, with solid evidence, no Invisible Pink Unicorn? If you can, then I might begin to understand the non-believers.

Does that question seem reasonable?

[tovaris]

Because i understand that there is no devine being messing round with our lives. As simple as that. I dot care if other people are religious as long as they think with their own head, which is a contradiction since being religioue usualy inplies that you trust your thinking to someone else

[Synyster Shadows]

I'm an atheist because that's how I was raised. Neither of my parents are religious. the closest I am to religious is how we present food to dead relatives for the afterlife. But I don't personally believe in religion's many aspects.

[Bethany]

I am an atheist simply because I do not believe in the presence of a higher being. I was raised Christian, but always - even when I was young - considered religious stories to be just that, stories, as opposed to fact.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I'm an atheist, simply because theism really makes no sense to me.

[randomnessqueen]

I don't think that atheism leads to unhappiness, nor does religion lead to happiness. However, even it it did, I think the truth is more important. I would rather have the truth and be unhappy that be happy but deluded.

if youre atheist, then whats the truth worth?

[randomnessqueen]

Why would not believing in anything make one sad?

Some people don't need to believe in a deity to be happy.

what i mean to say is, if someone is religious and that makes them happy, then are they right to believe in it even though its fake, since it makes them happy

[Stronk Serb]

what i mean to say is, if someone is religious and that makes them happy, then are they right to believe in it even though its fake, since it makes them happy

They can do whatever they want unless it is something against me in any way. They have a right to be deluded, I simply chose not to.