14-Year-Old Boy Shoots Armed Intruder in Home

[Professional Russian]

Yeah i know im about 10 days late on this but its still news so here it is:

According to The Associated Press, a 14-year-old Phoenix boy shot an armed intruder who broke into his home at approximately 4:30 p.m. Saturday, June 23. At that time, the boy was babysitting his younger siblings, ages eight, 12 and 12.

The incident started with a woman ringing the doorbell to the residence. Since the boy didn’t recognize the woman, he refused to open the door.

A short time later, the boy heard a loud bang, which he correctly assumed was someone attempting to force entry through the door. The boy gathered his siblings and hurried them upstairs as he armed himself with a handgun from his parent’s bedroom.

From the top of the stairs, the boy saw a man break open the front door. When the man pointed a gun at the boy, the boy shot the man. The man did not fire his weapon.

The man was subsequently transported to a local hospital in extremely critical condition. Since the shooting, the man’s status has been upgraded to critical and he is expected to survive. The man, whose identity has been withheld, can look forward to being booked into jail on charges of aggravated assault and burglary. The woman who rang the doorbell remains at large

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And people wonder why i always have that .44 on my side...

What does everybody else think? This is a good example of responsible kids that can use guns properly.

[Anselmo]

Getting a gun from the parent's bedroom is completely different from having a gun with you all the time.
The man is in a critical state, how can he be a responsible kid? A responsible kid would aim to some place in the body that wouldn't leave a person in a critical place, but that would still prevent the assault

[Professional Russian]

Getting a gun from the parent's bedroom is completely different from having a gun with you all the time.
The man is in a critical state, how can he be a responsible kid? A responsible kid would aim to some place in the body that wouldn't leave a person in a critical place, but that would still prevent the assault

I dont know about you but the way ive been ive been taught to shoot to kill. if they're not supposed to be here they dont deserve to leave unless they're in a body bag. and it was self defensive since the intruder had a gun also. and the responsibility part. if you protect and defend your family like that your responsible in my book.

[Anselmo]

I dont know about you but the way ive been ive been taught to shoot to kill. if they're not supposed to be here they dont deserve to leave unless they're in a body bag. and it was self defensive since the intruder had a gun also. and the responsibility part. if you protect and defend your family like that your responsible in my book.

I was never taught to shoot to kill, despite killing people all the time in my mind. Defend you family is always important, using a gun to do it is not the worst idea, but killing i think it is. Your teacher doesn't chop you a finger every time you make an error, do she? :D Why can't a burglar get a second change (yes, i know, what he did was wrong and he should be punished for that).What if he did that so he can have money for food to his family because, due to a health condition he can't get a job?

[Professional Russian]

I was never taught to shoot to kill, despite killing people all the time in my mind. Defend you family is always important, using a gun to do it is not the worst idea, but killing i think it is. Your teacher doesn't chop you a finger every time you make an error, do she? :D Why can't a burglar get a second change (yes, i know, what he did was wrong and he should be punished for that).What if he did that so he can have money for food to his family because, due to a health condition he can't get a job?

Did you read the rest of the story? The buglar had a gun. that gave the kid the right to to shoot him. i aint gonna sit and let someone with a gun break to my house your either running fast then my bullet or your standing there getting shot.

[Destructive Impulse]

Imma go on record and say that the kid was justified in shooting the man despite the condition the man is in. Plus any shot to the body can be a kill shot if it hits an artery. Guns are dangerous and the human body is very vulnerable. I largely disagree with purposly trying to kill the guy. That whole thing about making sure they leave in a body bag is pretty fucked up. Especially combined with the fact that you carry a gun with you. As a minor none the less. So the boys actions were justified as he tried to stop the guy but you shouldn't have the mindset of killing the guy.

[Professional Russian]

Imma go on record and say that the kid was justified in shooting the man despite the condition the man is in. Plus any shot to the body can be a kill shot if it hits an artery. Guns are dangerous and the human body is very vulnerable. I largely disagree with purposly trying to kill the guy. That whole thing about making sure they leave in a body bag is pretty fucked up. Especially combined with the fact that you carry a gun with you. As a minor none the less. So the boys actions were justified as he tried to stop the guy but you shouldn't have the mindset of killing the guy.

If your intent of taking my life when you come into my house ill be sure takes yours before you take mine

[Destructive Impulse]

How do you know that was the intent? It coulda been a fake gun like in the other story you posted. The report didn't say did it?

[Professional Russian]

How do you know that was the intent? It coulda been a fake gun like in the other story you posted. The report didn't say did it?

If you walk in my house with a gun or what seems to be a gun you have the intent to kill me. Im gonna use my rights and kill you before you kill me. its simple thing

[Destructive Impulse]

There is so much wrong with that logic

[Professional Russian]

There is so much wrong with that logic

How is that logic wrong? Its simple you come in my house endangering my life you wont any life left after i get done pumping rounds into your chest its that simple.

[StoppingTime]

The world is not a video game. I know it may not seem like it, but think about the reprocussions of killing someone in a case like this. You didn't know if the weapon he had was real. Say you shot near him, enough to scare him off. That's all I could bring myself to do.
You would kill someone who had a family. Parents, children, relatives just lost their father son and husband. He was not endangering the child's life.
I'm not saying what the child did in the story was wrong, I'm talking to you Robert. You know what guns can do, and to kill someone to say, I killed them, we're safe, when you aren't even sure what's happening, I don't understand.

[Professional Russian]

The world is not a video game. I know it may not seem like it, but think about the reprocussions of killing someone in a case like this. You didn't know if the weapon he had was real. Say you shot near him, enough to scare him off. That's all I could bring myself to do.
You would kill someone who had a family. Parents, children, relatives just lost their father son and husband. He was not endangering the child's life.
I'm not saying what the child did in the story was wrong, I'm talking to you Robert. You know what guns can do, and to kill someone to say, I killed them, we're safe, when you aren't even sure what's happening, I don't understand.

OK i know where your coming from but there's too many questions. What if the gun is real? What if he is here to kill me? there's to many variables. I personally dont know if i could pull the trigger. some people can some people cant. its all in how the handle pressure. I think if there was someone pointing a gun at me and i was pointing a gun at them im pretty sure im gonna protect myself which i have done nothing wrong against the who broke into my house and is now trying to kill me.

[Jess]

that was really brave of him to do this. also, he was smart enough to not open the door and also take his siblings somewhere safe. In my opinion, he did the right thing.

[Professional Russian]

that was really brave of him to do this. also, he was smart enough to not open the door and also take his siblings somewhere safe. In my opinion, he did the right thing.

thank you jess

[Green Arrow]

It was self defense it's a natural instinct, if you're threatened by something then you are going to retaliate aren't you. The fact that it could be a fake gun doesn't mean anything, it was obviously a spare of the moment thing and he was protecting himself, his family and his home.

[Jupiter]

i'm just glad that the gun was loaded. although, it does kinda make me sad that he had to shoot someone someone at that age.

[Silver Fox]

The boy was right. The man knew what he was doing when he decided to enter the kids home illegally and he knew that if he had a gun with him, fake or not, he was more likely to be shot as he was a bigger threat than an unarmed robber. The boy made the right choice as he was acting in self-defense and was protecting the other children in the home.

[WaffleSingSong]

I might be a radical leftie, but Im all for gun freedom (minus owning 2 RPG's, Material and a M60, I mean, I want to protect myself, not paint the right side of my house with the attacker's gibs...) And I believe that he did the right thing.

[TheMatrix]

The world is not a video game. I know it may not seem like it, but think about the reprocussions of killing someone in a case like this. You didn't know if the weapon he had was real.

The harsh realisation will come eventually.

ITT: VT member imprisoned because of shooting!

[huginnmuninn]

I'd shoot to kill because in America the intruder would probably try to sue me for harming him. so if i shoot to kill i can claim i was defending my life and not be in much legal trouble.

[Professional Russian]

I'd shoot to kill because in America the intruder would probably try to sue me for harming him. so if i shoot to kill i can claim i was defending my life and not be in much legal trouble.

True i would beso much easier just to kill then pay court fees lawier fees. and compensation fees

[UTurn]

Here's my opinion. I don't care who he is or whether his gun is plastic or could end my life. If someone comes into my house who is threatening me or my family, like this armed robber, he will be on the receiving end of my 20 gauge shotgun. I have a 20 gauge pump shotgun and plenty of shells. No I won't shoot to kill, I'll aim for the legs to disable the person. But if someone is in my home threatening mine or my family's safety, I have ever right to blow his legs off of him with my 20 gauge. I don't care for what reason he might have to be in my house, it's illegal, he's dangerous, and a threat. Therefore, he needs to be stopped before he harms me. We're a sophisticated society but in some cases we're quite basic. I'll shoot him before he shoots me. Plain and simple.

[Professional Russian]

Here's my opinion. I don't care who he is or whether his gun is plastic or could end my life. If someone comes into my house who is threatening me or my family, like this armed robber, he will be on the receiving end of my 20 gauge shotgun. I have a 20 gauge pump shotgun and plenty of shells. No I won't shoot to kill, I'll aim for the legs to disable the person. But if someone is in my home threatening mine or my family's safety, I have ever right to blow his legs off of him with my 20 gauge. I don't care for what reason he might have to be in my house, it's illegal, he's dangerous, and a threat. Therefore, he needs to be stopped before he harms me. We're a sophisticated society but in some cases we're quite basic. I'll shoot him before he shoots me. Plain and simple.

1.20 Gauge is Pussies haha but no i enjoy shooting mine..alot and 2.Always shoot to kill if they actually have a gun they can just shoot at you. disableing them does nothing if they have a gun

[Azunite]

Well, you have to congratulate the kid for his bravery.

However, this doesn't change the fact that I still believe you open such threads about little kiddos using guns or opening threads about firearms in general only to show off about your vast and heavenly knowledge about firearms and how you have access to many of them.

I'm sorry if I am offending you in every single post I make that is related to you but sorry, I cannot help it.

[Professional Russian]

Well, you have to congratulate the kid for his bravery.

However, this doesn't change the fact that I still believe you open such threads about little kiddos using guns or opening threads about firearms in general only to show off about your vast and heavenly knowledge about firearms and how you have access to many of them.

I'm sorry if I am offending you in every single post I make that is related to you but sorry, I cannot help it.

I find it funny

[Azunite]

I find it funny

It's always something satisfactory to make someone think that your work is funny for them

[All The Small Things]

This is why I dont wont guns to be outlawed complety I think guns should only be kept in the house thoe and should not be out in pulbic so what the kid was wrigth and what the man did was wrong know mighter if the gun was real or not if he dies its is fault not the kids or any other peron who shoots a stragner in there home who break in with a fake gun or not in my mind if you dont know them and they break inside your house you havve the wright to kill them :)

[Noxail]

I think the boy acted correctly. Lets think of it this way, Would you rather have four *kiddnaped/killed/harmed/missing/raped/scarred* children, or a half dead intruder who threatened a kid with a gun? I think I probably would've been scared out of my mind, and I'm amazed this kid kept a cool head. However, I don't think the kid should've gone for a kill shot. He had the right to protect himself and his siblings, but he shouldn't have *tried* to kill the man, although if he had killed him I don't think he'd be in the wrong. :D ~Holli

**Honestly, if someone threatened my baby brother's life with a gun, I'd shoot the living hell out of them, without a thought**

[Professional Russian]

This is why I dont wont guns to be outlawed complety I think guns should only be kept in the house thoe and should not be out in pulbic so what the kid was wrigth and what the man did was wrong know mighter if the gun was real or not if he dies its is fault not the kids or any other peron who shoots a stragner in there home who break in with a fake gun or not in my mind if you dont know them and they break inside your house you havve the wright to kill them :)


You know how many people conceal
and carry? you couldnt even imagine the number of people that do. In the U.S. There are 90 Guns for every 100 people . I cant find how many people carry concealed because there so many. then theres people wit multiple licenses like my dad he has a state wide conceal and carry license and he has a nation carry license that says he can carry a gun nearly anywhere in the US. then theres the people that carry illegally which there are quite a few im sure

[Noxail]

You know how many people conceal
and carry? you couldnt even imagine the number of people that do. In the U.S. There are 90 Guns for every 100 people . I cant find how many people carry concealed because there so many. then theres people wit multiple licenses like my dad he has a state wide conceal and carry license and he has a nation carry license that says he can carry a gun nearly anywhere in the US. then theres the people that carry illegally which there are quite a few im sure

This is sadly true. I wonder how many people really carry their guns around solely for self-defense? *Sigh* Don't even get me started on C&C. ~Holli

[Professional Russian]

This is sadly true. I wonder how many people really carry their guns around solely for self-defense? *Sigh* Don't even get me started on C&C. ~Holli

alot of people carry for selfdefense. most people do. not many people do to harm others.

[Noxail]

alot of people carry for selfdefense. most people do. not many people do to harm others.

*Most* And C&C is very nice for those who know how to control a gun, along with how to properly assess situations in which someone may be harmed. However, if someone who doesn't know what they are doing, they may pump someone full of lead without thinking, when the situation could've been handled with a few words. And what about those trigger happy, gun addicts with tempers? What if someone with a C&C lisense loses their temper with their wife? Their dog? Without C&C they wouldn't have access to a firearm.

[Professional Russian]

*Most* And C&C is very nice for those who know how to control a gun, along with how to properly assess situations in which someone may be harmed. However, if someone who doesn't know what they are doing, they may pump someone full of lead without thinking, when the situation could've been handled with a few words. And what about those trigger happy, gun addicts with tempers? What if someone with a C&C lisense loses their temper with their wife? Their dog? Without C&C they wouldn't have access to a firearm.

I know exactly what to do with guns and all the fun stuff to go with them but if someones trying to hurt me in gonna put all 8 rounds i have into you. like the article says. if your pointing a gun at me real or not im not sure. even if it has an orange tip on it which is for people to identify if its fake. im still pumping you full of lead if your in my house. people are starting to paint orange tips on real guns so they can get away with carrying them in the open. so fake or not i might not know so yuor not leaveing unless your in a body bag

[Noxail]

I know exactly what to do with guns and all the fun stuff to go with them but if someones trying to hurt me in gonna put all 8 rounds i have into you

That's nice and all but obviously you are not the only person in the world with the ability to carry a firearm, and I wasn't exactly talking about you, but the public in general. Besides, arn't you too young to carry a gun legally anyway?

*Edited to add* You're very violent aren't you?

[Professional Russian]

That's nice and all but obviously you are not the only person in the world with the ability to carry a firearm, and I wasn't exactly talking about you, but the public in general. Besides, arn't you too young to carry a gun legally anyway?

*Edited to add* You're very violent aren't you?

if im on private property like my house i can cary hat ever i want and no one can say anything. if want to walk out side with a 1911 on my side and a M4 in my hands no one can anything as long as im not shooting or harming anyone. im violent my mind is set on protecting my self and the people i like(i dont "love" anybody i only like people). you want to hurt them i want to hurt you

[Noxail]

if im on private property like my house i can cary hat ever i want and no one can say anything. if want to walk out side with a 1911 on my side and a M4 in my hands no one can anything as long as im not shooting or harming anyone. im violent my mind is set on protecting my self and the people i like(i dont "love" anybody i only like people). you want to hurt them i want to hurt you

Well yes. Anyone can carry what they want to on their own land. Lol. But Conceal and Carry laws don't apply to you. And you can stop telling me you're going to shoot me. I'm not big on hurting people. So you won't have to worry about me aiming guns at people you don't love.

[Professional Russian]

Well yes. Anyone can carry what they want to on their own land. Lol. But Conceal and Carry laws don't apply to you. And you can stop telling me you're going to shoot me. I'm not big on hurting people. So you won't have to worry about me aiming guns at people you don't love.

you wasnt pertaining to you. I was useing it as an example of someone who ever the hell you want aiming a gun or AOW at me. no carry laws dont apply to me i dont care either anywhere i go i know i atleast have access to a gun because each car my parents have have atleast 2 guns in eachand my dad goes everywhere with us and he carrys and theres a gun under my bed theres a gun sitting on my dads night stand. basically im armed at all times but i dont literally have them on me. they're just easily accessible to me.

[Noxail]

you wasnt pertaining to you. I was useing it as an example of someone who ever the hell you want aiming a gun or AOW at me. no carry laws dont apply to me i dont care either anywhere i go i know i atleast have access to a gun because each car my parents have have atleast 2 guns in eachand my dad goes everywhere with us and he carrys and theres a gun under my bed theres a gun sitting on my dads night stand. basically im armed at all times but i dont literally have them on me. they're just easily accessible to me.

See, that's different that having a gun on you at all times. Having a gun in reach is different than carrying it with you. No one is threating you or your land, so there's no need to prove your macho manly man-ness by telling us how you're going to shoot everyone.

[TheMatrix]

if im on private property like my house i can cary hat ever i want and no one can say anything. if want to walk out side with a 1911 on my side and a M4 in my hands no one can anything as long as im not shooting or harming anyone. im violent my mind is set on protecting my self and the people i like(i dont "love" anybody i only like people). you want to hurt them i want to hurt you

You've been watching too many of those westerner movies. You know, the kind they watched in the 1930s.

[PinkFloyd]

You did exactly what I would do. He aimed the fire arm at you. This put your life at risk. You had no other choice.

Above all, we're glad your still herehttp://www.virtualteen.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Mirage]

This kid deserves a medal. Seriously, that whole family might be dead if it wasn't for him.

[Carlyle]

OK i know where your coming from but there's too many questions. What if the gun is real? What if he is here to kill me? there's to many variables. I personally dont know if i could pull the trigger. some people can some people cant. its all in how the handle pressure. I think if there was someone pointing a gun at me and i was pointing a gun at them im pretty sure im gonna protect myself which i have done nothing wrong against the who broke into my house and is now trying to kill me.

A little late to reply to this but.. A citizen has rights, but you could be charged with murder. The first shot in this situation downed the intruder.. You can defend yourself, though I am also very positive that murder is still illegal in any case. Grow up. You have every right to defend yourself, murder is a completely different story.

[Professional Russian]

You've been watching too many of those westerner movies. You know, the kind they watched in the 1930s.

I dont like westerns unless its a clint eastwood one because clint eastwood is awesome

A little late to reply to this but.. A citizen has rights, but you could be charged with murder. The first shot in this situation downed the intruder.. You can defend yourself, though I am also very positive that murder is still illegal in any case. Grow up. You have every right to defend yourself, murder is a completely different story.

Why should someone get charge with murder when they were protecting them self and their family.

[Abyssal Echo]

I dont know about you but the way ive been ive been taught to shoot to kill. if they're not supposed to be here they dont deserve to leave unless they're in a body bag. and it was self defensive since the intruder had a gun also. and the responsibility part. if you protect and defend your family like that your responsible in my book.

I agree with Professional Russian ! besides I was told by a cop to make sure he dies inside the house then there is only one story.... yours

[Stronger]

Honestly I doubt his intentions were to kill him, his priority as protecting his siblings, which he did, and even if it was a fake gun, the kid was probably so caught up in the moment of him breaking in, that he didn't care what he did, as long as his family was safe, I believe he did the right thing.

[Stronger]

Honestly I doubt his intentions were to kill him, his priority as protecting his siblings, which he did, and even if it was a fake gun, the kid was probably so caught up in the moment of him breaking in, that he didn't care what he did, as long as his family was safe, I believe he did the right thing.

[Carlyle]

I dont like westerns unless its a clint eastwood one because clint eastwood is awesome



Why should someone get charge with murder when they were protecting them self and their family.

You've been asking the same thing the entire thread. You can maim the victim, but what in the hell would you murder him for? If the first shot does it, good for you! If not, call the police and have him arrested.

[Lyra Heartstrings]

Yeah, the kid did the right thing. But you..why the hell are you shooting to MURDER someone? They aren't going into the house to murder you, I really doubt that. It's probably a burglar. What if it is? What if you're just shooting someone trying to steal something, not kill you? The odds of someone wanting a high schooler dead is very slim. It'd be stupid to shoot to kill. That's my opinion.

[therunaway]

Ignore the people from the beginning if someone was breaking into their home, they would have done the same thing this kid did. When you have adrenaline pumping hard and fast enough, you'll do just about anything.

[UTurn]

The way I look at it, you shoot to stop someone in self defense, but you shouldn't be aiming for a kill. You can talk all big and stuff, but it would be incredibly difficult on a teenager, or anyone for that matter, to kill someone! If someone breaks into my house, my first goal is to scare the hell outta them with the sound of a shotgun. If they come after me instead, I would aim for legs, etc. A shotgun shell to the legs would most likely stop a person ;). If for some horrible reason the person I shot at died, I would feel horrible about it of course. But you can't get into legal trouble for shooting someone in your house, if they aren't supposed to be there. And if they are dead, they have no legal case anyways.

But it's stupid to say "shoot to kill" because in most cases, there's no need. Self defense is the goal, not cold blooded murder. You need to STOP the intruder, not splatter his/her brains against the wall!

When I was in a shotgun class, the instructor said, "If you keep a shotgun, or any gun in your house for self defense, be prepared to use it or it will be used against you." If someone broke into my house, me or my dad, who both have guns, would shoot the person. I'd have a hard time doing it, and afterwards, because I'm not a mean, violent, aggressive person, but if it is between shooting the intruder, or having him harm me in any way, I'd shoot.

It would just be bad luck to kill the person. Its only in movies and the military stuff that shoots to kill. Most of the time, cops will shoot to stop not to kill. I've never killed a person, thank God, but it would be hard for ANYONE inclduding me to do that. Even if it seems easy to say "oh id shoot to kill no matter what," id rather disable than kill...

[Professional Russian]

You've been asking the same thing the entire thread. You can maim the victim, but what in the hell would you murder him for? If the first shot does it, good for you! If not, call the police and have him arrested.

Yeah, the kid did the right thing. But you..why the hell are you shooting to MURDER someone? They aren't going into the house to murder you, I really doubt that. It's probably a burglar. What if it is? What if you're just shooting someone trying to steal something, not kill you? The odds of someone wanting a high schooler dead is very slim. It'd be stupid to shoot to kill. That's my opinion.

The way I look at it, you shoot to stop someone in self defense, but you shouldn't be aiming for a kill. You can talk all big and stuff, but it would be incredibly difficult on a teenager, or anyone for that matter, to kill someone! If someone breaks into my house, my first goal is to scare the hell outta them with the sound of a shotgun. If they come after me instead, I would aim for legs, etc. A shotgun shell to the legs would most likely stop a person ;). If for some horrible reason the person I shot at died, I would feel horrible about it of course. But you can't get into legal trouble for shooting someone in your house, if they aren't supposed to be there. And if they are dead, they have no legal case anyways.

But it's stupid to say "shoot to kill" because in most cases, there's no need. Self defense is the goal, not cold blooded murder. You need to STOP the intruder, not splatter his/her brains against the wall!

When I was in a shotgun class, the instructor said, "If you keep a shotgun, or any gun in your house for self defense, be prepared to use it or it will be used against you." If someone broke into my house, me or my dad, who both have guns, would shoot the person. I'd have a hard time doing it, and afterwards, because I'm not a mean, violent, aggressive person, but if it is between shooting the intruder, or having him harm me in any way, I'd shoot.

It would just be bad luck to kill the person. Its only in movies and the military stuff that shoots to kill. Most of the time, cops will shoot to stop not to kill. I've never killed a person, thank God, but it would be hard for ANYONE inclduding me to do that. Even if it seems easy to say "oh id shoot to kill no matter what," id rather disable than kill...

You shoot to kill. nothing else. because if you kill the person you know they get back up and try to shoot again and they cant go to the next house later on after he gets better. and the cops wil just talk him out of let him in jail for a while then he'll get back out and do the same thing. by killing him you dont have that problem.