Thoughts on legalizing gay marriage

[scer123]

I've always thought that it's completely injustice to tell someone they cannot legally marry someone. Although it has been improving by the state level in some states, it needs to be legalized by the federal government. If a 10 year old can refuse to say the Pledge of Allegiance because of the word and concept of "God", what gives the government the right to tell people they cannot marry someone? Especially when they use the Bible as a reason why not to legalize gay marriage.

[Martianus]

Well, it's legal in my country although we don't call it "marriage" but "partnership". I don't care about religious arguments. But I don't think you can force any Church to marry a gay/lesbian couple against their will. So it has to be left for the state or open-minded Churches

[SamB]

One thing that I do agree with that the coalition Government have attempted is to legalize actually gay marriage and lets gays have the right to call it marriage and get married in churches. I look forward to the day that I can say I do to my husband in a church.

[Sugaree]

Before this thread gets started into a 3 page circle-jerk about gays, gay marriage, and any other LGBT issue, let's look at the LGBT and LGBT-related threads of the last month (from June 8th to July 8th):

Do Gays go to Heaven or Hell? (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=142156)
Opinions on homophobia. (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=143923)
Would rather the world be homophobic or racist? (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=140940)
Whats your view on Homosexuality overall? (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=140608)

Can we please stop regurgitating the entire LGBT threads?

[WakaWaka]

Gay marriages should be treated as normal. Full stop.

[Jess]

I fully support it.

the end.

to the person who neg repped me because you disagree with the fact I support gay marriage...get a freaking life. like gay marriage will end the world.

[Telkanis]

Agree. I don't see any decent reason against it. Plenty of countries have already allowed gay marriage and their whole society hasn't collapsed and armeggedon hasn't occurred. I don't think any church should be forced to do it but I know there are plenty of churches that would be happy to do it if it were legalized.

[SamW]

It doesn't hurt anybody, why shouldn't they be able to.

[Darknova8]

I completely agree and have never understood why somany people protest I understand that irit is nt alowed by your religion but could you not try to force those rules on everyone else.

[Skeptical Bear]

To me, marriage is just a fucking legal document saying that I'm with someone and you get some benefits out of it.

[Dobesta]

Because 'marriage' is now a term used by a secular society to describe an often secular union, gay marriage should be legal. BUT churches should have the right to not marry gay couples.

[Iron Man]

I believe that love knows no gender. If people want to justify keeping gay marriage illegal because the bible said so, then they might as well make shaving illegal as well, or wearing clothing with mixed threads for that matter.

[RedViper]

Although I don't see the point in marriage as a whole I don't see the problem with gay marriage and it's ridiculous to deny anyone the right to be happy

[Noirtier]

As a Christian I go against mainstream Christianity when saying this, but I fully support gay marriage. Especially in America, where we are supposed to have freedom and equality for all.

[Cicero]

I do not support gay marriage because I do not see what the big deal about gays not marrying is.

[Darknova8]

The reason gays want to get marride is so they can legaly say their marride. Why does anyone marry then.

I honestly think it should be legalized and if a church feels the need to deny merrige in their sacred house they have that right but could they just allow gays to have their own freedom to marry and be happy.

[Mob Boss]

Although I don't see the point in marriage as a whole I don't see the problem with gay marriage and it's ridiculous to deny anyone the right to be happy

:rolleyes: My thoughts exactly-I don't see the point of marriage. If you truly love someone a piece of paper won't change that, but any couple that wants to should be allowed.

[StoppingTime]

I do not support gay marriage because I do not see what the big deal about gays not marrying is.

Then, do you support regular marriage?

[ImCoolBeans]

I do not support gay marriage because I do not see what the big deal about gays not marrying is.

Lol? That's actually pretty hilarious, dude. You are the most illogical person on this board.

[DerBear]

I do not support gay marriage because I do not see what the big deal about gays not marrying is.

That is one of the most illogical things I have ever heard. B

You simply don't support it because you don't see what the big deal is?

Seriously. Imagine people wanting equal rights and opportunities.

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/memes-fry-can-never-tell.jpg

[Amnesiac]

I do not support gay marriage because I do not see what the big deal about gays not marrying is.

Why, yes, giving people equality under law and ending legal discrimination against an entire minority is not a big deal at all. /s

[RoseyCadaver]

I do not support gay marriage because I do not see what the big deal about gays not marrying is.

Yeah why do those queer's need rights anyways? Next thing you know coloured folk are going to start thinking they're equals.

lolwat.

[Scarface]

I do not support gay marriage because I do not see what the big deal about gays not marrying is.

I don't see the point in any marriage, so why should any marriage be allowed? lol dude I mean it's one thing to disagree with shit, but it's a whole new ball game to sit there and give some vague bullshit ass statement. If you don't think its a big deal then why disagree with it? Dude I'm not siding with the people that are stomping on you right now, but I just don't get it.

Marriage period is a waste, but to deny people that are in love to take their commitment to that point, gay or not is irrelevant. I'm not queer preacher, but think about what you're gonna say here dude because I hope you saw replies like this coming, ramblings of the wise is a pounce for responses like yours and its especially disappointing.

[StoppingTime]

I don't see the point in any marriage, so why should any marriage be allowed? lol dude I mean it's one thing to disagree with shit, but it's a whole new ball game to sit there and give some vague bullshit ass statement. If you don't think its a big deal then why disagree with it? Dude I'm not siding with the people that are stomping on you right now, but I just don't get it.

Precisely why I asked him if he supports any marriage. Because it just seems odd to single out some people "just because."

[Jess]

I do not support gay marriage because I do not see what the big deal about gays not marrying is.

I do not support regular marriage because I do not see what the big deal about straights not marrying is.

/sarcasm

[Cicero]

I do not support regular marriage because I do not see what the big deal about straights not marrying is.

/sarcasm

Precisely why I asked him if he supports any marriage. Because it just seems odd to single out some people "just because."

I don't see the point in any marriage, so why should any marriage be allowed? lol dude I mean it's one thing to disagree with shit, but it's a whole new ball game to sit there and give some vague bullshit ass statement. If you don't think its a big deal then why disagree with it? Dude I'm not siding with the people that are stomping on you right now, but I just don't get it.

Marriage period is a waste, but to deny people that are in love to take their commitment to that point, gay or not is irrelevant. I'm not queer preacher, but think about what you're gonna say here dude because I hope you saw replies like this coming, ramblings of the wise is a pounce for responses like yours and its especially disappointing.

Yeah why do those queer's need rights anyways? Next thing you know coloured folk are going to start thinking they're equals.

lolwat.

Why, yes, giving people equality under law and ending legal discrimination against an entire minority is not a big deal at all. /s

Then, do you support regular marriage?

Lol? That's actually pretty hilarious, dude. You are the most illogical person on this board.

That is one of the most illogical things I have ever heard. B

You simply don't support it because you don't see what the big deal is?

Seriously. Imagine people wanting equal rights and opportunities.

image (http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/memes-fry-can-never-tell.jpg)

All marriage is, is a slip of paper saying that the state recognizes your married. If you love someone, you love someone, no one should stop it. But why go through the trouble of making Gay Marriage legal. All your friends/family/etc would know your emotionally/physically/sexually/etc with your partner. Why does a slip of paper have to make everything official?

[DerBear]

]All marriage is, is a slip of paper saying that the state recognizes your married.[/B] If you love someone, you love someone, no one should stop it. But why go through the trouble of making Gay Marriage legal. All your friends/family/etc would know your emotionally/physically/sexually/etc with your partner. Why does a slip of paper have to make everything official?

So? Why should straight people get it but not gays?

Oh I don't know because they want equal rights? Such crime for that to happen

Simply because people like equal rights. If two people love each other and they want to get married then why should they be denied the opportunity? Answer me that!

Also not everyone views marriage as worthless as you do. I mean seriously some people see marriage as a scared bond. Your opinion is your opinion but at least think of others before you make outlandish comments.

Not everyone believes your views on marriage. Can you not respect that?

[StoppingTime]

All marriage is, is a slip of paper saying that the state recognizes your married. If you love someone, you love someone, no one should stop it. But why go through the trouble of making Gay Marriage legal. All your friends/family/etc would know your emotionally/physically/sexually/etc with your partner. Why does a slip of paper have to make everything official?

Let's start off by asking a very simple question here, seeing as I think it fits with the fact that your statement has absolutely zero logic:

Why not? How is it fair for some people to be legally married, and not others?
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And, it is a lot more than a slip of paper. (I don't mean this in a religious way necessarily, so don't ask).

[Cicero]

So? Why should straight people get it but not gays?

Oh I don't know because they want equal rights? Such crime for that to happen

Simply because people like equal rights. If two people love each other and they want to get married then why should they be denied the opportunity? Answer me that!

Also not everyone views marriage as worthless as you do. I mean seriously some people see marriage as a scared bond. Your opinion is your opinion but at least think of others before you make outlandish comments.

Not everyone believes your views on marriage. Can you not respect that?

Let's start off by asking a very simple question here, seeing as I think it fits with the fact that your statement has absolutely zero logic:

Why not? How is it fair for some people to be legally married, and not others?
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And, it is a lot more than a slip of paper. (I don't mean this in a religious way necessarily, so don't ask).

I'm going to blow up if someone uses the "slip of paper" argument again.



Precicely, and it comes with tons of rights and benefits. Trololo. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_and_responsibilities_of_marriages_in_the_United_States)

Your right.

[havingfun]

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[FreeFall]

Separation of church and state. I personally don't believe the government can/should force the church to do anything ever. If the church will marry gays, hurray! We need every church in my opinion to be just like that. But since we cannot have every church like that, the government needs to create "marriage buildings" a place where any one, gay or not, may be wed and because some people fantasize about marrying in a church, some of those buildings will be made in the image of a church. A marriage is not just between a man and woman, no matter what anyone says. A woman can be genetically a man due to AIS but she is not a man. Yet she can marry a man, he is XY just like her. Is that woman and man or man and man? Genetically it is man and man. Marriage is the union of two people swearing and proclaiming their love and devotion to each other. It is a sacred bond. Anyone that wants to proclaim their love and devotion to each other and have that wedding they desire, deserve the chance to be married and deserve to have that union to be recognized as such. By everyone.

[havingfun]

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[derpderp]

As you see by my signature, I am a Socialist, thus I fully support homosexual marriage everywhere...and to imagine I was once brainwahsed to be a homophobe when I was smaller...

[LatinaVivit]

All those fags should just be put to death for not following the Bible. We should also stone women who aren't virgins when they get married. And shouldn't eat lobster. Or have clothes that are polyester and cotton in the same garment.

Not really, I'm gay so....I kinda support gay marriage. It's kind of a given hahah

Now, time to get serious:

I don't support gay marriage; I support equal marriage rights. It's nothing special. I'm not trying to force a church to marry us, I just want the benefits and the ability to say that I love my husband and to have a normal life. This video sums it up pretty well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzoRG4FPcY4&list=UUSm-_hWKYyybB-m1VqOYfPw&index=1&feature=plcp

~Please don't double post - Mirage

[rfjack]

As long as the state doesn't force churches to embrace it...

[WaffleSingSong]

I fully support it. The thing about trying to blend in Christianity and state is that only 40% of Americans are hard-line Christian, even though that's still the majority faith (including Atheism) but it really only benefits fewer rather than greater people in the United States.

[Gaybaby94]

LEGALIZE IT NOW! Why should my right to get married be trampled because some 2000 year old fiction book says so? This is 2012, not 1000, religion doesn't have influence anymore and it's time to give everyone the rights they (we) deserve!

[Thanatos]

This is what my Dad said, and I totally agree with it:

Civil unions for everybody, no marriages made or be a factor in anything by the government. Not matter if you're gay, straight, polygomous, brother and sister, whatever. Let all of the benefits be based on that, like health insurance and stuff. Leave marriage up to churches. If a church wants to recognize gay marriage, they can. If they don't then it doesn't matter.

This is a win-win:
-Everybody gets the rights and benefits that a couple deserves
-Churches don't have to marry gays if they don't want to, but can if they do
-Couples other than gays get the perks of being together
-Seperation of church and state
-The union is legally recognized


You dad has the right idea IMO. My Politics class had a debate about Gay Marriage this year and this was the solution that I raised as well. The Government should simply take a few steps:

1. Take all the legal benefits 'Marriage' currently provides and transfer them to 'Civil Unions'
2. Eliminate Married as a legal status. 'Partnered' or whatever Unions are called now will be the status.
3. Leave "Marriages" to the church as a symbolic thing with absolutely no legal ramifications.

[rocketedd]

Just wish every body could have the relationships they want with the people they love -

and when like my Mum and dad it goes wrong and divorce - its like so many guys and girls are gay please just let them that want to formalise even if its just to some a bit of paper have that.

[Gaybaby94]

You dad has the right idea IMO. My Politics class had a debate about Gay Marriage this year and this was the solution that I raised as well. The Government should simply take a few steps:

1. Take all the legal benefits 'Marriage' currently provides and transfer them to 'Civil Unions'
2. Eliminate Married as a legal status. 'Partnered' or whatever Unions are called now will be the status.
3. Leave "Marriages" to the church as a symbolic thing with absolutely no legal ramifications.

I disagree. Why should we have something different? We don't want civil unions, we want MARRIAGE! And if we don't get marriage then we are not being treated as equal. And marriage is in no way a religious ceremony. Fuck, even the dictionary changed the definition in our favor. Marriage is between TWO CONSENTING ADULTS! That means a man can get married to a man and a woman can get married to a woman. Keep your stupid make believe imaginary friends out of my marriage!

[Abigballofdust]

I disagree. Why should we have something different? We don't want civil unions, we want MARRIAGE! And if we don't get marriage then we are not being treated as equal. And marriage is in no way a religious ceremony. Fuck, even the dictionary changed the definition in our favor. Marriage is between TWO CONSENTING ADULTS! That means a man can get married to a man and a woman can get married to a woman. Keep your stupid make believe imaginary friends out of my marriage!

Define the difference between the two.
As long as we get the same rights as heterosexual couples, you can call it as you wish.

[Christheman]

IT SHOULD BE LEGALIZED!
let them have their rights!

[Amnesiac]

I disagree. Why should we have something different? We don't want civil unions, we want MARRIAGE! And if we don't get marriage then we are not being treated as equal. And marriage is in no way a religious ceremony. Fuck, even the dictionary changed the definition in our favor. Marriage is between TWO CONSENTING ADULTS! That means a man can get married to a man and a woman can get married to a woman. Keep your stupid make believe imaginary friends out of my marriage!

Did you even read what you quoted? It's easy to go off on a rant here, but if you actually pay attention to what Thanatos said, it makes perfect sense. Take the term "marriage" completely out of the legal dictionary. Make civil unions the primary form of legal bonding for couples and create equal benefits for both sides. He said absolutely nothing about religion or God. Universal civil unions for homosexual and heterosexual couples is a form of compromise that fulfills the demands of both sides of this debate.

The term "marriage" means nothing here, it's the legal benefits that are attached to it that matter.

[sammy1996]

I dont see how people could ever say "No you can't marry someone of the same gender" even though not only does it have nothing to do with them who people marry, it doesnt affect them at all so why should they have a problem with it.

Before anyone says religion.... just no, that just shows hows completely bullshit religion is.

[Gaybaby94]

Did you even read what you quoted? It's easy to go off on a rant here, but if you actually pay attention to what Thanatos said, it makes perfect sense. Take the term "marriage" completely out of the legal dictionary. Make civil unions the primary form of legal bonding for couples and create equal benefits for both sides. He said absolutely nothing about religion or God. Universal civil unions for homosexual and heterosexual couples is a form of compromise that fulfills the demands of both sides of this debate.

The term "marriage" means nothing here, it's the legal benefits that are attached to it that matter.

Still. Why should heteroes have the term marriage and we have civil union? If we are to be given equal rights, "marriage " should be one of them.

[Darknova8]

I believe it should be legalized.
Everyone should have the right to be ''married''
to the person they love.

[Sugaree]

Still. Why should heteroes have the term marriage and we have civil union? If we are to be given equal rights, "marriage " should be one of them.

You're still missing the point. The term "marriage" is largely a legal term. Take that out of the legal dictionary, dispose of the process completely, and replace it with a civil union. A civil union would then grant the same benefits (visitation, taxes, etc.) for all couples, heterosexual and homosexual. Why are you so hell-bent on having it called marriage? Shit man, there's no difference between a civil union and a marriage with the exception of the lack of benefits for the former.

[Amnesiac]

Still. Why should heteroes have the term marriage and we have civil union? If we are to be given equal rights, "marriage " should be one of them.

No, he's saying that under law, the term "marriage" should not exist. Everybody gets civil unions. Heterosexuals get civil unions. Homosexuals get civil unions. As for the churches having religious marriages, that's none of the government's business and if they do not want to give homosexuals religious marriage ceremonies, that is up to them.

[Thanatos]

No, he's saying that under law, the term "marriage" should not exist. Everybody gets civil unions. Heterosexuals get civil unions. Homosexuals get civil unions. As for the churches having religious marriages, that's none of the government's business and if they do not want to give homosexuals religious marriage ceremonies, that is up to them.

I'm glad some people grasp what I'm trying to say. I'm completely for the separation of church and state, especially on this issue.

[randomnessqueen]

i dont see why anyone should be denied marriage, homosexuality should make any difference.

[Pandapop82]

Marriage is something that is really important to me, and in my country gay people can get a civil partnership. The government wants to change the law so gay couples can marry in a church, and fair enough. But you can't make a church marry you. They are a law unto God. I am a Catholic, and if I ever found the person I wanted to spend the rest of my life with and it was another girl, even with the new law, I doubt the Catholic church would marry us. Which to me is a real shame, as it is so important to me, to celebrate the sacrament. but in the same way as inter-racial marriages used to be illegal is some countries and was abolished, I think that eventually the world will move forward and allow the same rights to both straight and gay couples.

[SilentCutter]

Marriage should be for anyone gay or not. Who are we to say who can or cannot be married? We're nothing special.

[Teenage heart throb]

I say let them marry who ever they want! Marriage is love, and the government shouldn't tell us we can't legally love

[Sudds3]

I think that they should because people have the freedom of choice and speech....sure. I just don't think it's putting out a good message to the gay community! It's just telling gay people that it's bad to be gay. They might even think that it's illegal to be gay.

[Christine.]

It should be legalized.

[Thanatos]

Who are we to say who can or cannot be married?

The Catholic Church

[Antagonist]

My turn to go all ape shit on this.

Look. This is the same as all races having the same rights. They DESERVED it back in the times of slavery, and during the Civil Rights Movement. They got it. What makes this so different? I can suck a dick better than any housewife can? I want to stick my pee pee into a guys poopoo hole? Seriously? Get OVER yourself and realize that everybody can love who ever they want, and you have no right to say I can't marry the love of ,y life if they just so happen to be of the same sex.

"The Bible says so!"

Okay? And since when did the entire population of America believe in God? There ARE gay churches, you know. Literally, gay churches who preach the "word of God" just as well as any of these conservative, gay hating churches who don't know when to keep their overactive mouths SHUT.

"It's not natural!"

It's not natural to have a mental disorder that causes you to see things that aren't there, either. What are you gonna do, kill all the people with mental disabilities? No, of course not, that would be inhumane and unjustified! What isn't NATURAL and UNJUSTIFIED and INHUMANE is you keeping millions of people from being a happy married couple for the rest of their lives. Stop playing God and let people get fucking married if they want to.

Okay, done.

[PinkFloyd]

If two people love each other they should be allowed to have a legal marrage!

[Twilly F. Sniper]

^exactly!!!

[Brice]

Well, I'm an american patriot. I believe everyone is equal and should have their own rights and shouldn't be stereotyped or anything because they are any different than the rest of us. So I think it's a good thing that more and more states are legalizing gay marriage.

[JimmyIsNowAMan]

If two people love each other they should be allowed to have a legal marrage!

Agreed. All we're talking about is a legal, civil marriage. If some Christian churches don't believe in it, go to las vegas or a courthouse. Seems silly to keep people from having the same recognition in marriage just because they are the same sex. it's like saying if you're left handed you must stop and do everything with your right hand because that's what the majority is.

[wild1]

I think the government should be trying to expand rights of people not limit them.

[Paradoxical]

Love is love. Whether that be between a man and a woman, or a woman and woman, or man and man - they should all have the ability to express their love in the same way - this often being the case.

[Syvelocin]

I'm really sick of this debate. I'm just thinking: "Okay, when is this going to happen now?"

I don't even really care if it's called marriage. I think I'd be fine with leaving marriage to religion and giving full rights to civil unions. I just don't really fucking care, all I care about is the time span in which this shit is going to happen. Cause it will, I just want to be fucking still alive when it finally happens.