Immigration

[PerpetualImperfexion]

What are we doing wrong, what are we doing right?

[Professional Russian]

well we're doing everything wrong and nothing right. Keep them out of the country. If they get a green card ok you can get in and try to get a citizenship. if not sorry your going back to mexico

[Sugaree]

well we're doing everything wrong and nothing right. Keep them out of the country. If they get a green card ok you can get in and try to get a citizenship. if not sorry your going back to mexico

Oh fuck, not this again.

[Professional Russian]

Oh fuck, not this again.

what thats what i think we should do

[Jess]

EDIT: gosh I'm so stupid. didn't know how I didn't understand the first post...ignore this post (but I think you should put Illegal Immigration as the title so that it won't apply to ones from other countries?)

[Amnesiac]

The system needs to be reconstructed to make legal immigration a much easier process. Fearmongering over terrorism since 9/11 has made the United States immigration system much, much more difficult to get through and has bloated the bureaucracy with the addition of the Department of Homeland Security. The path to obtaining legal status in the U.S. should not take years and thousands of dollars. It shouldn't be based on a random lottery, which is what the USCIS currently does to pick who gets a green card. The federal government needs to create a system that's streamlined and easy to navigate, without all the complex red tape and strict requirements that applicants and legal residents have to go through to keep their status.

Immigration is immensely important for the American economy and the borders should not be closed any further, rather, they need to be opened to more workers. Skilled workers from other countries are absolutely essential in filling an enormous number of jobs in the U.S. that would otherwise go empty. Even illegal immigrants working low-wage positions are propping up sections of the construction, agriculture and service industries that would face serious labor shortages if they weren't here.

Yes, I do believe there needs to be a path to amnesty for illegal immigrants who have come to this country with an honest desire to work. Even these workers, who many people look down upon as subhuman (in some cases), are helping prop up the economy, and a good majority of them are law-abiding and pay their fair share of taxes. Unfortuantely, many of them have been taken advantage of by corporations (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_29/b3943001_mz001.htm) and face difficult living conditions because they are unable to seek assistance.

Working with the Mexican government to establish more safe border crossings and a streamlined process for moving between countries could bring untold benefits to the communities that straddle the southern border. Building a wall won't solve any of these problems. Attacking immigrants won't help. Kicking them out doesn't solve the problem. Rather, you have to look at the root of the issue: the border, and the countries these people are coming from. There is no reason to view the movement of people between countries as a negative thing. If the United States takes a level-headed approach to creating a border environment where people can cross safely and without ridiculous amounts of hassle, the immigration dilemma will fix itself over time.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

Well I guess it's my turn. I think we should put some troops on the borders. In olden times that was one use of the military, to stop people from invading our country. Now don't get me wrong, I think people from other countries, including mexico, should be allowed to come and live here. I think they should be checked for disease, etc, and be given a chance to be a contributing member of society. I do NOT think we should be giving them handouts though. Like I said, I have no problem with them coming here, but when they come here illegally we need to throw them out, and we need to make it more difficult for them to come over here.

P.S. This argument was originally intended for the U.S., but I don't know much about how other countries handle this, and would be very interested to find out.

[Peace God]

we're not rounding up and executing all of these privileged fascist anti-immigrant fucks. that's really where we went wrong...

[Azunite]

well we're doing everything wrong and nothing right. Keep them out of the country. If they get a green card ok you can get in and try to get a citizenship. if not sorry your going back to mexico


You are doing this wrong:

http://libertas.bigblog.com.au/data/0/3861/image/einvolk2289820080204205156.jpg http://www.najakito.com/~john/images/einvolk/einvolksmall.jpg

Please ignore "Bush", he is just an envoy.

Without feeding the trolls who have already infiltrated this thread we should stop discussing this; this topic will always be a dead end.

Immigration is inevitable. One has to be reflexive in order to acommodate itself to the tide. That's why if America is not able to prevent immigration, it should accomodate itself to it. Train the immigrants, teach them English, feed them and in order to increase their loyalty and efficieny, teach them to say "God protect the US". That's how you effectively deal with the immigrants.

[Professional Russian]

image (http://libertas.bigblog.com.au/data/0/3861/image/einvolk2289820080204205156.jpg)

Look its a picture of a genius aside from that though hitler didnt say no one could ome into the country he wanted all the minoritys dead. i thought some one as smart as you wouls actuallly know that

[Azunite]

Look its a picture of a genius aside from that though hitler didnt say no one could ome into the country he wanted all the minoritys dead. i thought some one as smart as you wouls actuallly know that

I couldn't get your point because my English mastery is not sufficent to decode all those grammar and spelling mistakes.

If I got you right, let me present a counter-arguement for thou: There was never a mass migration to the Nazi Germany, people were fleeing from it. You can't expect Germany to be open to immigration: If they massacre the minorities in their country, how can you expect their hospitality towards the immgirants?

My Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer picture in this thread is simply a symbol representing people who insist on turning their backs on those who are not of their nation. Of course we can't say "Ein Reich" to the United States since there are fifty plus states there, and I don't accuse Obama of anything or insult the Senate by saying "Ein Führer" but generally, the two logics match a lot.

[Professional Russian]

I couldn't get your point because my English mastery is not sufficent to decode all those grammar and spelling mistakes.

If I got you right, let me present a counter-arguement for thou: There was never a mass migration to the Nazi Germany, people were fleeing from it. You can't expect Germany to be open to immigration: If they massacre the minorities in their country, how can you expect their hospitality towards the immgirants?

My Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer picture in this thread is simply a symbol representing people who insist on turning their backs on those who are not of their nation. Of course we can't say "Ein Reich" to the United States since there are fifty plus states there, and I don't accuse Obama of anything or insult the Senate by saying "Ein Führer" but generally, the two logics match a lot.

Well yeah people were fleeing from there but there was never anything saying you couldnt come into the country. I hope you knoe the translatin the the picture

[Azunite]

Well yeah people were fleeing from there but there was never anything saying you couldnt come into the country. I hope you knoe the translatin the the picture

I study in a German high school where we learn all fucking courses in German except English and Turkish Literature so ja, ich denke mein Deutsch ist genügend für dieses Bild und seine Übersetzungsarbeit.


Like I said, Nazi Germany were already treating bad to those who were not German.

So let me ask you, what happens when you be a burden as an immigrant and immigrate to a country who hates non-Germans?

[Professional Russian]

I study in a German high school where we learn all fucking courses in German except English and Turkish Literature so ja, ich denke mein Deutsch ist genügend für dieses Bild und seine Übersetzungsarbeit.


Like I said, Nazi Germany were already treating bad to those who were not German.

So let me ask you, what happens when you be a burden as an immigrant immigrate to a country who hates non-Germans?

One people, one empire, one leader<--I knew that off the top of my head im a genius as to your question. To the gas chamber you go

[Azunite]

One people, one empire, one leader<--I knew that off the top of my head im a genius as to your question. To the gas chamber you go

Ugh, Failure to comply mein Herr. Unwarscheinlich, ihre weiterentwickelte Genialität zu verstehen und zu verdauen.


That's why, my good Sir, it is proper to use the phrase "Ein Volk Ein Reich Ein Führer" with this immigrant case.

Schönen Tag für Ihnen, gnädiger Kommandant, Sieg Heil.

[Professional Russian]

Failure to comply mein Herr.

That's why, my good Sir, it is proper to use the phrase "Ein Volk Ein Reich Ein Führer" with this immigrant case.

Schönen Tag für Ihnen, gnädiger Kommandant, Sieg Heil.

but if you were german and you went into the country they wouldnt care aslong as you shared the same beliefs as the Fuhrer.(I dont have to the 2 dots thing for the u sorry.)

[Azunite]

but if you were german and you went into the country they wouldnt care aslong as you shared the same beliefs as the Fuhrer.(I dont have to the 2 dots thing for the u sorry.)

God:

Those who immigrate to America are Mexicans, Puerto Ricans and people who think they can find jobs in the US.

Americans don't immigrate to America (though we should bear in mind that American only means a person who lives in the States, since "American" literally means Sitting Bull and his companions and people...)

That's why the cases are not the same. You are talking about Germans who live in other European countries. Well they didn't need to immigrate because Hitler already called them to arms and they all went to Germany to join the Army, vs.

Oh and I bet you also don't have these fancy letters, İı, Ğğ, Şş, Çç, Öö ( and of course Üü )

A tip: There should be a key where there are two dots on it, press AltGr, then that button, then "u", then you can create an "ü"

[Professional Russian]

God:

Those who immigrate to America are Mexicans, Puerto Ricans and people who think they can find jobs in the US.

Which they can with a green card

Americans don't immigrate to America (though we should bear in mind that American only means a person who lives in the States, since "American" literally means Sitting Bull and his companions and people...)

NO comprenda essay

That's why the cases are not the same. You are talking about Germans who live in other European countries. Well they didn't need to immigrate because Hitler already called them to arms and they all went to Germany to join the Army, vs.

ja i know

Oh and I bet you also don't have these fancy letters, İı, Ğğ, Şş, Çç,

A tip: There should be a key where there are two dots on it, press AltGr, then that button, then "u", then you can create an "ü"


american key boards dont have all the fun things on it

[Azunite]

ja i know


american key boards dont have all the fun things on it


You haven't stated anything to debate in your last post.

[Cicero]

>_> could've sworn I lost 10 rep points on a thread just like this :P

I'm perfectly fine with immigration. From what I have learned from other debates, it takes a long time to become a citizen. Maybe it shouldn't be as long of a wait.

[Neverender]

What you're doing wrong is deporting people. Unless they are known criminals or are convicted of criminal activity in the current country, I say give them Refugee status like the UN demands you do.

They risked their lives to get to a country that advertises itself as "the best and most free-est in the world" then you arrest them for trying to get there.

[kalolin]

Well yeah people were fleeing from there but there was never anything saying you couldnt come into the country. I hope you knoe the translatin the the picture

[derpderp]

Ok, all I have to say is the American paranoia of immigration would put the Nazis to shame...