Do girls agree with me or my male friend regarding this case?

[Emily Jane]

I know this is long, and quite brutal, but I would really like to hear how women/mothers feel.

My friend (male) and i read a rather extreme crime case, and we have a very different opinion.

Two men and a woman (all armed) committed a home invasion. At the home were two women, the 7 year old daughter of one of the women, and a 43-year-old man who just so happened to be at the house while conducting a door-to-door survey. He was a total stranger to the women.
All four were stripped naked and tied to chairs.

The female intruder then told the man that unless he cut off his own penis, the two male criminals would rape the little girl. The man refused. One of the men began molesting the little girl. The female intruder again told the man that if he cut off his own penis, the little girl would be unharmed, but he again refused.
Apparently the male captive became erect watching the little girl being molested.

The female intruder then told the girl's mother that if she cut off the male captive's penis, they wouldn't rape the little girl. The woman agreed.

She was made to kneel at gunpoint in front of the bound man, and was first told to get him as erect as possible. The man begged her not to and told them to rape the little girl instead. The mother was told to torture his penis with a cigarette lighter. After several minutes of this, she was given a box cutter, and told to cut off the man's penis, which she did. They retied the woman, and then the three criminals left, taking the man's penis with them. It was never found.

I'm sure this was a very difficult decision for the mother, but do you agree with me that she made the right decision in agreeing to cut off the man's penis? Did the man behave somewhat cowardly by not agreeing to do it himself, and wasn't it disturbing that he became erect while watching the little girl being molested?

My friend said he thought the woman was wrong to do it, and that it would be less horrible for the little girl to be raped then for the man to have his penis cut off. Who do you agree with?

Do other girls think you would make the same decision she did?

[Mob Boss]

Whoa...disturbing story. I think what the mother did was the better option. Neither are right, and I'm sure they would both cause psychological and physical harm, but I would have to protect the child. Do I think it was cowardly? Well, he was put in a scary situation and had no ties to the little girl (not that she deserved to be raped because of it), but I think most guys would be hesitant if put in that situation. I would do what the mother did because I would protect my child, but I would feel terrible doing that to that man.

[Emily Jane]

Whoa...disturbing story. I think what the mother did was the better option. Neither are right, and I'm sure they would both cause psychological and physical harm, but I would have to protect the child. Do I think it was cowardly? Well, he was put in a scary situation and had no ties to the little girl (not that she deserved to be raped because of it), but I think most guys would be hesitant if put in that situation. I would do what the mother did because I would protect my child, but I would feel terrible doing that to that man.

Did you find it somewhat disturbing that the male captive got hard while watching the little girl being molested?

[Mob Boss]

Oh, I forgot to answer that. Yeah, it was disturbing. I can't say that he deserved to have his junk mutilated, but it seemed somewhat pedophilia-like.

[Emily Jane]

Oh, I forgot to answer that. Yeah, it was disturbing. I can't say that he deserved to have his junk mutilated, but it seemed somewhat pedophilia-like.

Maybe I'm being cruel, but it made me feel much less sorry for him in a way. Especially when he asked the intruders to rape the girl instead of cutting his dick off. I mean I understand why he wouldn't want them to cut his dick off, but to actually tell them to rape the girl instead ... Well, it must have made it a little easier for the mother to make her decision.

Have to wonder why the female intruder wanted his dick cut off so bad.

[Mob Boss]

Maybe I'm being cruel, but it made me feel much less sorry for him in a way. Especially when he asked the intruders to rape the girl instead of cutting his dick off. I mean I understand why he wouldn't want them to cut his dick off, but to actually tell them to rape the girl instead ... Well, it must have made it a little easier for the mother to make her decision.

Have to wonder why the female intruder wanted his dick cut off so bad.

Yeah, I'm sure that made her decision much easier. I wondered that myself....why did they take the man's junk? We never run low on weird people in this world. :rolleyes:

[Jean Poutine]

You guys are fucking insane.

First, no matter the circumstances, with enough visual stimulation a man WILL get hard. Period. The amount of stimulation may vary from zero to a lot but it's never impossible. If a woman orgasms during rape, does it mean she enjoyed being raped? No it doesn't, nor does it mean the man is having fun watching the girl get molested, even if he gets erect. It means zero, zilch, squat, nothing at all.

Second, as disgusting as it is to say it, a man having his johnson cut off is much, much worse trauma than a little girl being raped. The girl, with counseling, guidance and psychological help will be able to live a life at least as close to normal as possible. On the other hand, the man's sexual life is over. He's going to forever have to pee from a tube. He's going to feel inadequate, diminished and incomplete for the rest of his life. What kind of future does he have with his wife or girlfriend? Sexuality is a very important part of any relationship. Imagine how women feel having a breast cut off due to cancer, then multiply that by 1000.

Third, no he wasn't cowardly what the fuck? He was human. Accepting to have his dick cut off for the sake of the girl would have been courageous, but refusing was not cowardly. The two aren't completely opposed and if you think they are then you have much life experience to gain yet. That's seriously not a point against anything. My weewee or a stranger's mental health? I'll choose my weewee every time, thanks. If it were my girlfriend they were threatening, that would be another story entirely. Reminds me of the scene in 1984 where Winston is stuck in Room 101 and will have rats eat off his face unless he sells out his girlfriend Julia. Was ratting her out (I'm so witty) cowardly? Of course not. Unless you're reading dumb books or watching stupid movies you won't find many reasonable protagonists not doing the same.

I really sense a lot of anger towards males here. Do you happen to have a problem with men? From the thread you made where you cheered that a man got his dick cut off (even though he was a rapist) to this, I think that you're completely unfit to postulate any reasonable answer to such moral "dilemmas". Seems like some sort of sicko fetish about cut penises and male humiliation to me.

EDIT : scratch that, ALL your posts are about severed dicks. Make of that what you will, folks.

ps : what is this doing in VTDC? There's no link to any news article.

[Mirage]

This is more of a debate.

TDC :arrow: ROTW

[Jhcx]

Think i'd rather want to be killed than have my fella cut off. Im just after watching a movie where this had to happen. I nearly knocked the laptop flinching in pain. now as real or as fake as it may be in that movie, there is a lot of trauma involved as pointed out Forseti.

The Woman was wrong. imo. what right does she have to cut someone else. The situation is very very unfortunate. But i'd think that in a situation like that you have to just take it as it comes. yes the poor child would most likely be scared for life and no one can ever get over stuff like that. but at least nobody was injured. Thats not to say the child wouldnt suffer possibly getting Aids and god knows what other damage. but least she would probably still be alive.

Everyone would be scared. the man would be scared for the rest of his life for having to be a witness to it and knowing he could have done something but it was a situation where he really Couldn't have done something. something like that can drive a person to suicide. even after the woman cutting him could drive him that way and then the blame is on her. that she led this total stranger to suicide because he felt his life was over.

For a debate like this you have to rule out feminism, it just wont work. you have to take into account all the consequence of such a serious situation. and how it affects everyone's life after

[Lyra Heartstrings]

You guys are fucking insane.

First, no matter the circumstances, with enough visual stimulation a man WILL get hard. Period. The amount of stimulation may vary from zero to a lot but it's never impossible. If a woman orgasms during rape, does it mean she enjoyed being raped? No it doesn't, nor does it mean the man is having fun watching the girl get molested, even if he gets erect. It means zero, zilch, squat, nothing at all.

Second, as disgusting as it is to say it, a man having his johnson cut off is much, much worse trauma than a little girl being raped. The girl, with counseling, guidance and psychological help will be able to live a life at least as close to normal as possible. On the other hand, the man's sexual life is over. He's going to forever have to pee from a tube. He's going to feel inadequate, diminished and incomplete for the rest of his life. What kind of future does he have with his wife or girlfriend? Sexuality is a very important part of any relationship. Imagine how women feel having a breast cut off due to cancer, then multiply that by 1000.

Third, no he wasn't cowardly what the fuck? He was human. Accepting to have his dick cut off for the sake of the girl would have been courageous, but refusing was not cowardly. The two aren't completely opposed and if you think they are then you have much life experience to gain yet. That's seriously not a point against anything. My weewee or a stranger's mental health? I'll choose my weewee every time, thanks. If it were my girlfriend they were threatening, that would be another story entirely. Reminds me of the scene in 1984 where Winston is stuck in Room 101 and will have rats eat off his face unless he sells out his girlfriend Julia. Was ratting her out (I'm so witty) cowardly? Of course not. Unless you're reading dumb books or watching stupid movies you won't find many reasonable protagonists not doing the same.

I really sense a lot of anger towards males here. Do you happen to have a problem with men? From the thread you made where you cheered that a man got his dick cut off (even though he was a rapist) to this, I think that you're completely unfit to postulate any reasonable answer to such moral "dilemmas". Seems like some sort of sicko fetish about cut penises and male humiliation to me.

EDIT : scratch that, ALL your posts are about severed dicks. Make of that what you will, folks.

ps : what is this doing in VTDC? There's no link to any news article.
Originally, I agreed with the OP. Now, I agree with you. So..this^
Think i'd rather want to be killed than have my fella cut off. Im just after watching a movie where this had to happen. I nearly knocked the laptop flinching in pain. now as real or as fake as it may be in that movie, there is a lot of trauma involved as pointed out Forseti.

The Woman was wrong. imo. what right does she have to cut someone else. The situation is very very unfortunate. But i'd think that in a situation like that you have to just take it as it comes. yes the poor child will most likely be scared for life and no one can ever get over stuff like that. but at least no body was injured. Thats not to say the child hasnt suffered possibly getting Aids and god knows what other damage. but least she would probably still be alive.

Everyone would be scared. the man would be scared for the rest of his life for having to be a witness to it and knowing he could have done something but it was a situation where he really Couldn't have done something. something like that can drive a person to suicide. even after the woman cutting him could drive him that way and then the blame is on her. that she led this total stranger to suicide because he felt his life was over.

For a debate like this you have to rule out feminism, it just wont work. you have to take into account all the consequence of such a serious situation. and how it affects everyone's life after

..What? The guy got his dick cut off, the girl was never raped.

[Jhcx]

Originally,

..What? The guy got his dick cut off, the girl was never raped.

Yes i know that. im was saying in the context of 'IF'

[Mob Boss]

You guys are fucking insane.

First, no matter the circumstances, with enough visual stimulation a man WILL get hard. Period. The amount of stimulation may vary from zero to a lot but it's never impossible. If a woman orgasms during rape, does it mean she enjoyed being raped? No it doesn't, nor does it mean the man is having fun watching the girl get molested, even if he gets erect. It means zero, zilch, squat, nothing at all.

Second, as disgusting as it is to say it, a man having his johnson cut off is much, much worse trauma than a little girl being raped. The girl, with counseling, guidance and psychological help will be able to live a life at least as close to normal as possible. On the other hand, the man's sexual life is over. He's going to forever have to pee from a tube. He's going to feel inadequate, diminished and incomplete for the rest of his life. What kind of future does he have with his wife or girlfriend? Sexuality is a very important part of any relationship. Imagine how women feel having a breast cut off due to cancer, then multiply that by 1000.

Third, no he wasn't cowardly what the fuck? He was human. Accepting to have his dick cut off for the sake of the girl would have been courageous, but refusing was not cowardly. The two aren't completely opposed and if you think they are then you have much life experience to gain yet. That's seriously not a point against anything. My weewee or a stranger's mental health? I'll choose my weewee every time, thanks. If it were my girlfriend they were threatening, that would be another story entirely. Reminds me of the scene in 1984 where Winston is stuck in Room 101 and will have rats eat off his face unless he sells out his girlfriend Julia. Was ratting her out (I'm so witty) cowardly? Of course not. Unless you're reading dumb books or watching stupid movies you won't find many reasonable protagonists not doing the same.

I really sense a lot of anger towards males here. Do you happen to have a problem with men? From the thread you made where you cheered that a man got his dick cut off (even though he was a rapist) to this, I think that you're completely unfit to postulate any reasonable answer to such moral "dilemmas". Seems like some sort of sicko fetish about cut penises and male humiliation to me.

EDIT : scratch that, ALL your posts are about severed dicks. Make of that what you will, folks.

ps : what is this doing in VTDC? There's no link to any news article.

Firstly, I don't think anyone deserves what he had to go through. But, I'm not changing my decision because if it were my daughter's well-being versus a stranger, call me insane, but I would choose my daughter any day. I never said he was cowardly, I said he was put into a scary situation so of course he would be hesitant. I have NOTHING against men whatsoever, and I'm hoping I didn't come off that way. I was just stating my honest opinion. Like I said, under the circumstances, I think maternal instinct to protect my child would take over and I'd do the same.

[Lyra Heartstrings]

Yes i know that. im was saying in the context of 'IF'

You posted it like it really happened..

[Jhcx]

You posted it like it really happened..

Ya im sorry i have poor english skill's mix up tenses and stuff. I type as i speak..:whoops: but i've corrected most of it now.

[Lyra Heartstrings]

Ya im sorry i have poor english skill's mix up tenses and stuff. I type as i speak..:whoops: but i've corrected most of it now.

Oh, I apologize, then. Understandable. It's a learning experience. Sorry. ^^

[RedViper]

I agree with you

[Emily Jane]

Firstly, I don't think anyone deserves what he had to go through. But, I'm not changing my decision because if it were my daughter's well-being versus a stranger, call me insane, but I would choose my daughter any day. I never said he was cowardly, I said he was put into a scary situation so of course he would be hesitant. I have NOTHING against men whatsoever, and I'm hoping I didn't come off that way. I was just stating my honest opinion. Like I said, under the circumstances, I think maternal instinct to protect my child would take over and I'd do the same.

I'm of the same mind. I don't consider what happened to him to be trivial. Far from it! It's very serious and life altering.

But a 7 year old girl being raped is not like a woman being raped. Obviously both are horrible, and carry life-long emotional problems, but with a girl that young, there would most definitely be terrible physical damage too. As there was with the man.

I also don't buy that a man has no control over getting an erection. I mean I don't have one, and I know that they can be unpredictable at times, but I also know (from past and present boyfriends) that fear does not cause an erection, and surely that man must have been terrified in that situation. So I can only deduce that seeing the little girl being molested caused him to be aroused. If so, he's very disgusting! I'm not saying he therefore deserved to get his dick cut off (not saying he didn't either), but it does decrease my sympathy for him.

Lastly, what else was the mother to do? Was she to sit there and watch her little girl be physically and emotionally destroyed, while watching a man get erect at the sight of her being molested? Parents (perhaps mothers in particular) are wildly protective of their children. A 43 year old stranger, versus a 7 year old daughter. How can she really be faulted for her decision?

[Jean Poutine]

I'm of the same mind. I don't consider what happened to him to be trivial. Far from it! It's very serious and life altering.

More than you can ever imagine.

But a 7 year old girl being raped is not like a woman being raped. Obviously both are horrible, and carry life-long emotional problems, but with a girl that young, there would most definitely be terrible physical damage too. As there was with the man.

Rape doesn't always include violence. The amount of force needed to overpower a 7 year old is trivial.

I also don't buy that a man has no control over getting an erection. I mean I don't have one, and I know that they can be unpredictable at times, but I also know (from past and present boyfriends) that fear does not cause an erection, and surely that man must have been terrified in that situation.

That's so far on left field that you basically hit the ball behind yourself.

Much as men can't understand (try as they might) that a woman isn't aroused and ready for sexual activity in just a minute, women also can't understand that it takes nothing, absolutely nothing to get a man erect. Any display of sexual activity is sufficient to get a man ready for action, no matter how slight or inappropriate. It doesn't matter who does it, or even in what conditions. I speak from personal experience.

Fear doesn't even enter the equation. Death, for example, is pretty damn scary. Witnessing a death, violent or not, triggers a chemical cocktail of hormones pushing humans to propagate the species further to make up for it. Zing, erect.

There's a whole realm to it than women will never understand, simply because they don't have one, and the way they get aroused is markedly different from ours.

So I can only deduce

Nah.

that seeing the little girl being molested caused him to be aroused. If so, he's very disgusting! I'm not saying he therefore deserved to get his dick cut off (not saying he didn't either), but it does decrease my sympathy for him.

Nope it didn't. Seeing sexual activity got him aroused. It's completely different.

Lastly, what else was the mother to do? Was she to sit there and watch her little girl be physically and emotionally destroyed, while watching a man get erect at the sight of her being molested?

Second part doesn't matter. As always.

Parents (perhaps mothers in particular) are wildly protective of their children. A 43 year old stranger, versus a 7 year old daughter. How can she really be faulted for her decision?

The thing about your penis-shredding fantasies is that they are all engineered to cast as much sympathy for the wom(e)n as possible. They are hardly unbiased. From a human point of view, as I've already said, accepting than her daughter be raped would've been courageous but cutting off the man's penis is not cowardly. If you put yourself in the shoes of the woman like the situation begs you to then it's hard to find any fault whatsoever.

But that's not how moral dilemmas work. You have to put yourself away and try to view the situation as objectively as possible. In that case, then yes the woman is wrong. She's actively scarring herself AND the man because she had to fuck up and cut off the johnson, if the girl had been raped then she would've bore the brunt of the damage, along with all the problems already raised.

[Mob Boss]

but it seemed somewhat pedophilia-like.



That's so far on left field that you basically hit the ball behind yourself.

Much as men can't understand (try as they might) that a woman isn't aroused and ready for sexual activity in just a minute, women also can't understand that it takes nothing, absolutely nothing to get a man erect. Any display of sexual activity is sufficient to get a man ready for action, no matter how slight or inappropriate. It doesn't matter who does it, or even in what conditions. I speak from personal experience.

Fear doesn't even enter the equation. Death, for example, is pretty damn scary. Witnessing a death, violent or not, triggers a chemical cocktail of hormones pushing humans to propagate the species further to make up for it. Zing, erect.

There's a whole realm to it than women will never understand, simply because they don't have one, and the way they get aroused is markedly different from ours.


Nope it didn't. Seeing sexual activity got him aroused. It's completely different.

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I feel extremely bad for assuming something when I haven't the slightest clue what goes on in men's brain and body, for that matter. I shouldn't have said it was pedeophilia-like, that was wrong of me. I still stand by my decision, I just wanted to apologize for saying that.

[Emily Jane]

More than you can ever imagine.



Rape doesn't always include violence. The amount of force needed to overpower a 7 year old is trivial.



That's so far on left field that you basically hit the ball behind yourself.

Much as men can't understand (try as they might) that a woman isn't aroused and ready for sexual activity in just a minute, women also can't understand that it takes nothing, absolutely nothing to get a man erect. Any display of sexual activity is sufficient to get a man ready for action, no matter how slight or inappropriate. It doesn't matter who does it, or even in what conditions. I speak from personal experience.

Fear doesn't even enter the equation. Death, for example, is pretty damn scary. Witnessing a death, violent or not, triggers a chemical cocktail of hormones pushing humans to propagate the species further to make up for it. Zing, erect.

There's a whole realm to it than women will never understand, simply because they don't have one, and the way they get aroused is markedly different from ours.



Nah.



Nope it didn't. Seeing sexual activity got him aroused. It's completely different.



Second part doesn't matter. As always.



The thing about your penis-shredding fantasies is that they are all engineered to cast as much sympathy for the wom(e)n as possible. They are hardly unbiased. From a human point of view, as I've already said, accepting than her daughter be raped would've been courageous but cutting off the man's penis is not cowardly. If you put yourself in the shoes of the woman like the situation begs you to then it's hard to find any fault whatsoever.

But that's not how moral dilemmas work. You have to put yourself away and try to view the situation as objectively as possible. In that case, then yes the woman is wrong. She's actively scarring herself AND the man because she had to fuck up and cut off the johnson, if the girl had been raped then she would've bore the brunt of the damage, along with all the problems already raised.

The physical damage would not be caused by simply overpowering her, but by a the penis of a mature man entering a 7 year old girl's vagina. I may not know much about penises (as I don't have one), but I can assure you that this would be physically excruiating, and would definitely cause internal damage.

And I'm sorry if the cases I posted offend you. I will admit that I find them interesting, but hardly enjoyable!

[Jean Poutine]

The physical damage would not be caused by simply overpowering her, but by a the penis of a mature man entering a 7 year old girl's vagina. I may not know much about penises (as I don't have one), but I can assure you that this would be physically excruiating, and would definitely cause internal damage.

And I'm sorry if the cases I posted offend you. I will admit that I find them interesting, but hardly enjoyable!

You don't know that. Penises vary in girth and in length immensely. My dick could be 1" as it could be 10", it could be thick as a baseball bat or pencil-thin (and I am a mature man). It would still be rape, still suck and still be horrific, but at least with an 1" knob it wouldn't hurt.

[Emily Jane]

You don't know that. Penises vary in girth and in length immensely. My dick could be 1" as it could be 10", it could be thick as a baseball bat or pencil-thin (and I am a mature man). It would still be rape, still suck and still be horrific, but at least with an 1" knob it wouldn't hurt.

LOL! The odds of this man having a 1" dick in girth, let alone in length are astronomical. Very few men have a penis that is less than 5 inches in length.

Regardless of what you think, it would be extremely painful! It is initially painful for us if we haven't had sex for a while, and that's when we're fully developed physically. For a 7 year old, it would be nothing but physical torture, and would be damaging.

[Thunderstorm]

Well, in your story, you didn't really specify if the woman cutting off the mans penis had any sympathy for him. i would think she would. Honestly, I would have been just as cowardly. And yeah, he did have an erection, but maybe he was Gay? Who knows what this man could have been feeling. Listen, the invaders never said they were going to kill the little girl, in your story you just said rape. Although she would have been physically an mentally scarred, she wouldn't be dead, and those scars may be just as bad as being alive, but sh ecould recover with many years of therapy, and she is still a young girl, so she still has time to progress through the feelings. This is a gross situation.

[Clawhammer]

It's clear that some people hear cannot imagine what getting castrated would be like. Better to die than live with that, and the man would most likely have died without immediate attention. I think it comes down to a matter of temporary suffering vs. likely death or permanent mutilation. The man wasn't even supposed to be involved in the first place, which can add to his case. I'd have to go with him on this one.

In addition, you and your friend are pretty sick. Seriously. I had to cross my legs while reading this.

[Jean Poutine]

LOL! The odds of this man having a 1" dick in girth, let alone in length are astronomical. Very few men have a penis that is less than 5 inches in length.

Regardless of what you think, it would be extremely painful! It is initially painful for us if we haven't had sex for a while, and that's when we're fully developed physically. For a 7 year old, it would be nothing but physical torture, and would be damaging.

Hey, I'm playing your game. Why are you allowed to make baseless conjectures (such as the man being erect because he likes little girls) and I can't?

ps : as part of an university law class I had to read a court case where a father penetrated his 4 year old daughter with his dick. No evidence of physical trauma was brought forward. It might have been present but apparently not serious enough to enter into evidence against the father. Had it been serious, prosecution would have been crazy NOT to enter it. (http://canlii.ca/t/1l5pt)

Regardless of what YOU think, yes it would hurt but nowhere as debilitating as getting emasculated to the point of irrelevance.

[heeysamantha]

I'm of the same mind. I don't consider what happened to him to be trivial. Far from it! It's very serious and life altering.

But a 7 year old girl being raped is not like a woman being raped. Obviously both are horrible, and carry life-long emotional problems, but with a girl that young, there would most definitely be terrible physical damage too. As there was with the man.

I also don't buy that a man has no control over getting an erection. I mean I don't have one, and I know that they can be unpredictable at times, but I also know (from past and present boyfriends) that fear does not cause an erection, and surely that man must have been terrified in that situation. So I can only deduce that seeing the little girl being molested caused him to be aroused. If so, he's very disgusting! I'm not saying he therefore deserved to get his dick cut off (not saying he didn't either), but it does decrease my sympathy for him.

Lastly, what else was the mother to do? Was she to sit there and watch her little girl be physically and emotionally destroyed, while watching a man get erect at the sight of her being molested? Parents (perhaps mothers in particular) are wildly protective of their children. A 43 year old stranger, versus a 7 year old daughter. How can she really be faulted for her decision?


I agree wholeheartedly.

[FreeFall]

A mother's duty, foremost and unstoppable, is to protect their children.
Until you become a mother, you will never have even an inkling what-so-ever of how fiercely strong you become to ensure the safety of your child. It does not matter if you kill anyone in your mind, so long as the child you love is safe and protected.

The man was getting an erection. If he was afraid for his life, he'd not have had one, yes erections are unpredictable but never when you're terrified at gunpoint. He knew he was safe. As long as he did what they said, he'd live. He didn't know that girl, he didn't care one bit. He was safe and he was getting a show.

That woman was not wrong one bit. Psychical damage < psychological damage.
The daughter would've been traumatized from being watched, her home being invaded, being tied naked, being molested, her mother being helpless, the man's penis being cut off, being in a situation like that with her mother, the blood from the man, of strangers, the house not being secure enough to prevent break-ins, being around guns.
She'd have a lifetime of damage done.
Therapy and counseling is not a heal all end all. It will never make her okay with what happened. It will never fix her mind and soul broken at such a young age. She will never forget what happened, ever. It will always be there, it will always be a cloud. She'd only learn how to deal with it to be able to function.
The man would be traumatized from a mother ensuring the safety of her child. He looses his penis and a huge amount of blood. Take the lesser of two evils.
Your friend's sick to be perfectly ok with a child being put in a horrendous situation as long as the penis is ok.

[Haufen]

The man was getting an erection. If he was afraid for his life, he'd not have had one, yes erections are unpredictable but never when you're terrified at gunpoint.

This is complete and utter bullshit. I suggest you go back to first grade highschool biology class. If they didn't handle this subject there, I suggest you move to a country where they have actual education.

The male mind works completely different from the female mind, especially sexually, a typical male only needs 1 sexual cue to become excited, preferably a visual or physical cue, if a woman was getting him hard then I assure you, 99% maybe even 100% of men would get an erection.

Not to mention that he could've even had a fetish for that stuff.

It's kind of creepy to see how not-understanding women here are, they don't have a penis, they seemingly don't know anything about male sexuality or the penis, but they judge anyway.
Again; It's very very easy to get aroused for a man, even from the slightest cue.

That woman was not wrong one bit. Psychical damage < psychological damage.

Yeah, because having your penis cut off wouldn't cause any psychological damage because of the physical damage at all, right?
Are you fucking stupid?


By the way, my view on the case is that the woman is wrong, I'll explain it: Cutting off a penis is obvious irreparable physical damage for ever, the effects of that will also cause mental problems like depression, I wouln't be surprised if the man attempted or succeeded in committing suicide.
A girl of 7 being raped by a grown up man results in mental damage and slight physical damage, but the physical damage is not anywhere near as extreme as having a penis cut off.

But here's the deal, they offered to STOP raping the girl if the penis was cut off, so both the mental AND physical damage were already done to the girl, regardless if his penis was cut off or not.

So the girl was already raped/being raped, cutting off his penis just ment it would stop immediately, damage already done.
But the mother did it anyway, so not only the girl was damaged, but the man was damaged without a rational reason as well.

[FreeFall]

This is complete and utter bullshit. I suggest you go back to first grade highschool biology class. If they didn't handle this subject there, I suggest you move to a country where they have actual education.

The male mind works completely different from the female mind, especially sexually, a typical male only needs 1 sexual cue to become excited, preferably a visual or physical cue, if a woman was getting him hard then I assure you, 99% maybe even 100% of men would get an erection.

Not to mention that he could've even had a fetish for that stuff.

It's kind of creepy to see how not-understanding women here are, they don't have a penis, they seemingly don't know anything about male sexuality or the penis, but they judge anyway.
Again; It's very very easy to get aroused for a man, even from the slightest cue.
First grade highschool biology? MERICA!

So you just proved my point. He liked it and wasn't afraid for his life and had a fetish for little girls in a hostage situation being molested.



Yeah, because having your penis cut off wouldn't cause any psychological damage because of the physical damage at all, right?
Are you fucking stupid?
Yep! I'm a big ole fucking dumbass in the U.S.A! McDonalds runs my life and I'm going to marry my cousin tomorrow on the farm and have us many babies. I would a done married my brother Clyde but he done up an died uh yesterday. Merica! Land of the free! It's full of angry ass people that get so angry over differing views that they resort to name calling! We's mature.
I'm not denying he wouldn't have psychological damage though.


By the way, my view on the case is that the woman is wrong, I'll explain it: Cutting off a penis is obvious irreparable physical damage for ever, the effects of that will also cause mental problems like depression, I wouln't be surprised if the man attempted or succeeded in committing suicide.
A girl of 7 being raped by a grown up man results in mental damage and slight physical damage, but the physical damage is not anywhere near as extreme as having a penis cut off.
That's fine, it is your opinion.
She could commit suicide too, to have something like that happen in her young life and the mental damage is irreversible. But you know, the penis > over anything else.

But here's the deal, they offered to STOP raping the girl if the penis was cut off, so both the mental AND physical damage were already done to the girl, regardless if his penis was cut off or not.
Oh. Since she's already damaged may as well keep going~

So the girl was already raped/being raped, cutting off his penis just ment it would stop immediately, damage already done.
But the mother did it anyway, so not only the girl was damaged, but the man was damaged without a rational reason as well.
The reason is rational you just refuse to acknowledge it.
I'm capable of seeing your view and I completely understand it, I do not agree with it but I do understand you points and thinking.

[Haufen]

First grade highschool biology? MERICA!

So you just proved my point. He liked it and wasn't afraid for his life and had a fetish for little girls in a hostage situation being molested.

Nope. You exactly missed the point I was trying to make; Men get aroused easily, but it doesn't mean they like it, it just happens automatically.

Are you saying that men can't get raped by women either? Because you are saying an erection means that somebody enjoys it, if you would know anything about anatomy and psychology you would know that's not true at all. Men have been raped by women before, and they got erections, not because they enjoyed it, but because it just happens automatically, there is no control over it.




Yep! I'm a big ole fucking dumbass in the U.S.A! McDonalds runs my life and I'm going to marry my cousin tomorrow on the farm and have us many babies. I would a done married my brother Clyde but he done up an died uh yesterday. Merica! Land of the free! It's full of angry ass people that get so angry over differing views that they resort to name calling! We's mature.

Not gonna reply seriously to this. Please bring arguments instead of sarcasm to make fun of me.

But you know, the penis > over anything else.

Strawman.


Oh. Since she's already damaged may as well keep going~

If the alternative is cutting a guys penis off leaving him permanently physically damaged (read: having his primary gender features removed) and damaging him mentally.

AND giving the child another mental problem: She saw her mother cut off a guy's penis infront of her, for her. That fact might be more traumatising for her than the rape itself.


The reason is rational
The reason is not rational at all, the damage to the girl was already done, instead the mother chose to damage the man in a horrible way mentally and physically and adding another traumatising experience for her daughter.
By cutting his dick off you don't reverse the rape, it was already happening, it would be the same if his dick was cut off after they were done raping the girl.


you just refuse to acknowledge it.

The same could be said of you, so that's not a valid argument.
It's just the "I am I so you are the one who's wrong, not me." argument.

[FreeFall]

Nope. You exactly missed the point I was trying to make; Men get aroused easily, but it doesn't mean they like it, it just happens automatically.

Are you saying that men can't get raped by women either? Because you are saying an erection means that somebody enjoys it, if you would know anything about anatomy and psychology you would know that's not true at all. Men have been raped by women before, and they got erections, not because they enjoyed it, but because it just happens automatically, there is no control over it.
Stimulation =/= watching a child be raped. Men can and have been raped. No body can ever deny that. Nor did I say a man cannot have an erection at random.

Not gonna reply seriously to this. Please bring arguments instead of sarcasm to make fun of me.
I'm sorry, was I supposed to take you seriously when your defense is to ask me if I'm fucking stupid and tell me to go back to school? You lost my respect for that, so suck it up buddy boy.



Strawman.
I'm impressed. You know of the concept, but it does not apply to our discussion.


If the alternative is cutting a guys penis off leaving him permanently physically damaged (read: having his primary gender features removed) and damaging him mentally.

AND giving the child another mental problem: She saw her mother cut off a guy's penis infront of her, for her. That fact might be more traumatising for her than the rape itself.
If you care to actually read, even a little bit, you'd see that was one of my points in my original post.
But as you've said, she's already in for a different world so what's it matter if she witnesses her mom trying to protect her? Of course the mom could've done nothing, but we'd replace the trauma of witnessing a penis being cut off with mommy issues and abandonment feelings.



The reason is not rational at all, the damage to the girl was already done, instead the mother chose to damage the man in a horrible way mentally and physically and adding another traumatising experience for her daughter.
By cutting his dick off you don't reverse the rape, it was already happening, it would be the same if his dick was cut off after they were done raping the girl.
You don't understand the mother daughter dynamics. Mother's in mother bear mode, it's too late to get anything through her head other than protect my baby. The daughter is aware the abuse would end if the penis comes off, her mother has that choice. If she didn't she'd be saying 'sorry daughter but that's too bad' and allow it. The man's a stranger, there is no deep bond or connection to him. He's simply the key to prevent further harm. How can you justify it, just because the damage is already done?


The same could be said of you, so that's not a valid argument.
It's just the "I am I so you are the one who's wrong, not me." argument.
I can't even see how you came to that conclusion. I see your points, I understand your points, I understand your stance, I understand your side. I just don't agree with it. I'm not refusing to see anything.

[Binatang]

wow this is really disturbing, and i don't if this is the right thing to do, but i know that this is waht i do, and prob still feel guilty,... i'd say no to my penis being cut off, somehow I feel this is less damaging than the rape of that girl, but if i were the mom, i would've said yes jsut to protect the girl

[Mirage]

Haufen and FreeFall, stop arguing mean spiritedly. I understand this is a debate but that doesn't mean you have to debate in a mean spirit.

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Here is how I see it:
Penis being cut off = physically damaged, can't be repaired
Raped = still horrible but with enough counseling or therapy she can return to a sort of normal life, he can't.

[Sudds3]

The one thing that gets me is that she didn't even know the guy! And yet she is going to just cut off his penis....I mean seriously! I'm pretty sure that would do more psychological damage than being raped. He would feel less of a man by a lot and not be able to have intercourse unless there was enough left which I'm pretty sure there isn't. But either way it's still bad, I know I wouldn't have cut off my own penis to save some little girl I didn't know. Especially because I feel that it's completely different things, physical pain versus psychological scarring. I mean the girl was already raped twice, not much left to do. But then to mom couldn't just let her continue.

I don't really understand how the male intruders could let that other mans penis be cut off, I mean they would have to feel his pain some how

As I can see above there is a lot of hostility! There is no 'right' or 'wrong' opinion. The guys will feel more sympathetic toward the man because we all love our penises, but we also think that being raped is terrible too, but not enough to cu off our own penis to stop. But then the women will ink who cares....it's a penis! And my daughter is getting raped and I have to stop it!

So the conclusion is that it's a horrible occurrence....and the real problem are the sick people who enacted the entire invasion. Agreed?

[Inventor2]

Disturbing

[Mortal Coil]

I think the mother was doing the right thing. It wasn't, however, cowardly of the man to not want to do it himself.

And yes, I think it is very disturbing that the man got hard while watching people molest a 7-year-old.

[Gigablue]

I don't think that the woman was justified. The physical damage of having your penis cut off is huge and could potentially kill the man, either from blood loss or infection. If not, the psychological effects are huge. He will feel emasculated and he is rendered unable to have sex ever again.

The physical damage from rape is still potentially severe, but would have a better chance of being reparable, and isn't life threatening. The psychological damage, while still horrible, is less severe, and with lots of therapy, can be minimized.

The rape had already started, therefore the physical damage had already been done, while the mother might have reduced the psychological damage, she might cause more by cutting off a man's penis in front of her daughter.

As for the man getting an erection, that doesn't really mean anything. It doesn't mean he was enjoying it, though it could easily be misinterpreted by the mother to mean that. Any visual stimulation, regardless of how horrific, can potentially cause an erection. It in no way means he enjoyed it.