So Apparently the freedom of speech is now gone..

[Professional Russian]

These 2 videos are pretty stupid in terms of trying to take away our freedom of speech

p3DR5tkjeAU

DR2Tdt-78QE


Wow i cant believe what obama has done to this country. Fuck you Obama

[ShaneSawyer]

You really just can't blame Obama for the whole issue. that's called scapegoating. also, i am sure the same thing happened when bush was president... Obama, has contributed to the whole lessfree-speech, but in order to pass a law you need another branch to agree, and in this case it is congress. so AT LEAST half of our elected officials in there are contributing to this to. But man, it's really not their fault, it's the big corporations that are really pushing for all these bullshit laws. governments more corrupt than a computer after downloading a bad link :/

[Azunite]

These 2 videos are pretty stupid in terms of trying to take away our freedom of speech

p3DR5tkjeAU

DR2Tdt-78QE


Wow i cant believe what obama has done to this country. Fuck you Obama

I hope you know that all Kings, Presidents, Rectors, Emperors, Dukes, Princes, Maharajas, Tsars and Daimyos would prevent their citizens from opening Anti-"insert royal title here" stuff.

[Professional Russian]

I hope you know that all Kings, Presidents, Rectors, Emperors, Dukes, Princes, Maharajas, Tsars and Daimyos would prevent their citizens from opening Anti-"insert royal title here" stuff.

yes i know and its against The 1st amendment Freedom Of Speech

[Jupiter]

Okay. I understand why the first one upset you, but Robert, understand that saying someone is a terrorists best friend is totally innapropriate. It was only gonna start fights. And it was for patriotism, not to show what was "wrong"

[Professional Russian]

Okay. I understand why the first one upset you, but Robert, understand that saying someone is a terrorists best friend is totally innapropriate. It was only gonna start fights. And it was for patriotism, not to show what was "wrong"

i didnt say the terrorist thing was good but to suspend somebody for something like that is stupid. If i knew i could get away with it id wear a shirt to school that says: "One Big Ass Mistake America". look at the firt letter of first of each word. But i know if i did that the little queer we have for a principle would Suspend me

[Jupiter]

i didnt say the terrorist thing was good but to suspend somebody for something like that is stupid. If i knew i could get away with it id wear a shirt to school that says: "One Big Ass Mistake America". look at the firt letter of first of each word. But i know if i did that the little queer we have for a principle would Suspend me

The last thing I'm gonna say in this thread is that VT is way more than half LGBT and I think that the word queer may not be the best offensive term to use towards someone who is only looking not to stop fights.

[Gaybaby94]

Totally inappropriate to disrespect our President!

[ImCoolBeans]

Do you honestly think that shirt was appropriate to wear in school? Everything about it is extreme and inappropriate. Shirts that raise political and social issues should not be allowed in schools at all. It's a learning environment, not a hostile protest zone. People who treat it that way are sadly mistaken. There are rules, and you should dress appropriately for school, but this really shouldn't even be a discussion about the shirt. It blows my mind that anybody could try to make an argument that he should be allowed to wear it in school.

This is just doing to turn it into a debate, so to Ramblings of the Wise this goes.

[Fuzzyevil]

I hope you know that all Kings, Presidents, Rectors, Emperors, Dukes, Princes, Maharajas, Tsars and Daimyos would prevent their citizens from opening Anti-"insert royal title here" stuff.

Robert? I think he is right!

@If you remember when there were election in Iran i think 2009 and when people spoke against the government specially the youth. Around 200 people died and murdered! Just because they are saying something against their government!

@And if you talk about here: At least there they gave you a little freedom of speech. Here, they shoot them in front of their families! Or they rob the houses in here and kill them or let the dogs on them!

@I hope i am not wrong!

[Gigablue]

Wearing a shirt with a political message in a school is completely inappropriate and could interrupt the learning environment. It is also wrong to dismiss anyone you don't like by saying they are a terrorist.

The man with the sign might have been slightly mistreated, though I think the police acted appropriately since the "abort Obama" message could easily be interpreted as a threat.

[Professional Russian]

This isnt about our president its about the freedom of speech. If haveing a sign against our president is illegal then the right is gone. if i cant wear a shirt that says bad things about obama the right is gone. Hell i got reported to the principle last year for calling hitler a genious. and just to clearify this. I dont agree wioth what hitler did but the man was a fucking genious. He was evil but a fucking genious. And i got reported for that by the teacher so apearently i dont have the freedom of speech

[Azunite]

This isnt about our president its about the freedom of speech. If haveing a sign against our president is illegal then the right is gone. if i cant wear a shirt that says bad things about obama the right is gone.

You don't have any right to insult anyone.

[Mirage]

understand that saying someone is a terrorists best friend is totally innapropriate.

I completely agree. It's way too harsh, relating someone to a person who ends lives for fun. Especially a president! That gives even more reasons to not say that kind of thing.

[StoppingTime]

This isnt about our president its about the freedom of speech. If haveing a sign against our president is illegal then the right is gone.

No. If you have a sign saying you would kill the president there is a problem. Clearly, that wasn't what the message the man was trying to convey, and the police screwed up. That doesn't endanger freedom of speech. They pulled him over for a concern, an accusation. If he never had the sign returned, I may think differently here.


if i cant wear a shirt that says bad things about obama the right is gone.

I have to agree with what Mike said. That was an inappropriate shirt to wear to school on any day.

[Bath]

You don't have any right to insult anyone.

Actually we do.

[Neverender]

Fuck you Obama

Well you just lost all credibility with me.

"Let's blame the president for a boy who gets in trouble in school because the president doesn't have bigger fish to fry at the moment."

[Professional Russian]

No. If you have a sign saying you would kill the president there is a problem. Clearly, that wasn't what the message the man was trying to convey, and the police screwed up. That doesn't endanger freedom of speech. They pulled him over for a concern, an accusation. If he never had the sign returned, I may think differently here.

I meant the debatte not the sign

I have to agree with what Mike said. That was an inappropriate shirt to wear to school on any day.

if i wear a shirt that says obama sucks and is the worst president ever. is that too far?

[StoppingTime]

if i wear a shirt that says obama sucks and is the worst president ever. is that too far?



To wear in a school, yes. Usually, they'll say you cannot wear any vulgar/offensive shirts, and that would count.

[Professional Russian]

To wear in a school, yes. Usually, they'll say you cannot wear any vulgar/offensive shirts, and that would count.

And why cant i thats against the freedom of speech

[ImCoolBeans]

if i wear a shirt that says obama sucks and is the worst president ever. is that too far?

Yes, for school it is. School should be a neutral place where you don't need to worry about religious, political or social issues/attacks. It's inappropriate to bring it into a learning environment and they don't have a place there. School should be somewhere to learn, not to protest and raise your hell.

[Professional Russian]

Yes, for school it is. School should be a neutral place where you don't need to worry about religious, political or social issues/attacks. It's inappropriate to bring it into a learning environment and they don't have a place there. School should be somewhere to learn, not to protest and raise your hell.

So if we talk about politics in class then its ok to argue and protest aobut it. i see it happen all the time

[ImCoolBeans]

So if we talk about politics in class then its ok to argue and protest aobut it. i see it happen all the time

There is a big difference between having a civil discussion about it and bringing the protest into school. A political discussion in school is kept under control by teachers, you wearing some ridiculous t-shirt exceeds that control.

[Neverender]

So if we talk about politics in class then its ok to argue and protest aobut it. i see it happen all the time

Wearing a shirt that says "Obama sucks" is like wearing a shirt that says "All Gays go to hell"


If you are wearing such a shirt, You are not contributing to a benevolent or enlightening conversation, you're just pissing everyone off and It doesn't surprise me that a school would work to get rid of those shirts.

[Professional Russian]

There is a big difference between having a civil discussion about it and bringing the protest into school. A political discussion in school is kept under control by teachers, you wearing some ridiculous t-shirt exceeds that control.

ok ok what about this then:

jUmZ_DJC0Po

it has nothing to do with politics or anything else

[Telkanis]

Ok. I'm completely for free speech but this has nothing to do with Obama or his policies. In fact it was republicans and George bush that enacted the "stolen valor act" that the supreme court just ruled as unconstitutionally blocking freedom of speech. The court hasn't said anything against Obama blocking free speech so trying to link this to Obama is stupid. Nonetheless, I think the police was wrong in taking the sign but right to inform the secret service. They did the same thing against Bush. In fact that administration had a long history of intimidating and investigating people who spoke out against them. Look at the time they illegally released the name of an undercover CIA agent because her husband spoke out against the administration.

I think school, however, is no place for free speech. Its a place to learn and the courts have ruled that it is ok to ban clothing that distracts from learning. In cities kids aren't allowed to wear gang signs and that would be a matter of free speech. If it were up to me schools would have uniforms. Would make things much simpler.

[ImCoolBeans]

ok ok what about this then:

jUmZ_DJC0Po

it has nothing to do with politics or anything else

That is a totally different conversation and strays away from the discussion about politics we were having, but okay.

"Older brother and uncle?" what the fuck?

[Professional Russian]

That is a totally different conversation and strays away from the discussion about politics we were having, but okay.

"Older brother and uncle?" what the fuck?

its still freedom of speech. Ok he wears beads to remember them. I wear my grandfathers dog tags to remember him.

[ImCoolBeans]

its still freedom of speech. Ok he wears beads to remember them. I wear my grandfathers dog tags to remember him.

Okay, but that's another issue, you're jumping around from point to point here without rhyme or reason. The political shirt is out of the question and should not be allowed. The beads? Okay that's a little fucked up, but what does that have to do with Obama? If you're really trying to blame him for that you're honestly just being unreasonable.

[Professional Russian]

Okay, but that's another issue, you're jumping around from point to point here without rhyme or reason. The political shirt is out of the question and should not be allowed. The beads? Okay that's a little fucked up, but what does that have to do with Obama? If you're really trying to blame him for that you're honestly just being unreasonable.

well who should i blame for this

[Jess]

well who should i blame for this

blame the school .

[ImCoolBeans]

well who should i blame for this

For the beads? The school. For the shirt? There is nobody to blame because that kid is an idiot for wearing it, and his parents are equally as ridiculous for allowing him to wear it to school.

You seem to have this big bad wolf picture of Obama, but I'm really starting to believe that it's not for any good reason, you can't support yourself properly in any debate when his name is mentioned and you're always just throwing around the blame along with some Ted Nugent links. Extreme, heavily biased opinions aren't really credible. Not a good way to debate.

[Professional Russian]

For the beads? The school. For the shirt? There is nobody to blame because that kid is an idiot for wearing it, and his parents are equally as ridiculous for allowing him to wear it to school.

You seem to have this big bad wolf picture of Obama, but I'm really starting to believe that it's not for any good reason, you can't support yourself properly in any debate when his name is mentioned and you're always just throwing around the blame along with some Ted Nugent links. Extreme, heavily biased opinions aren't really credible. Not a good way to debate.

I dont like obama i have problems with him that you dont need to know about. I think ted nugent would be a good president because i have watched 100s upon 100s of interviews with him about politics and i like his ideas. and this debate is not about obama its about the 1st amendment

[Commander Thor]

Putting aside the fact that Obama has done nothing to influence the decisions of the police in the first video, and the school officials in the second.....


You're right that this falls under a 'free speech' issue, but you fail to understand that students are not guaranteed this right to the same extent as adults are. This has to do with the fact that schools have to protect all students at the school. According to the American Civil Liberties Union: "You (students) have a right to express your opinions as long as you do so in a way that doesn't 'materially and substantially' disrupt classes or other school activities." Meaning if you're wearing a shirt that's stopping class and having other kids or teachers going "Wait a second....." the school has every right to make you change the shirt. If you refuse, you're going to get suspended. Not because of what the shirt said, but because of blatant insubordination.


its still freedom of speech. Ok he wears beads to remember them. I wear my grandfathers dog tags to remember him.

It's against school policy. The school has an excellent reason for not allowing beads. The kid was NOT suspended because of the beads, he was suspended because he was insubordinate, and refused to obey the administrators when given several chances to do so.



End point: You as a student do NOT have the same rights as an adult. Period. End of story.

[Neverender]

For the beads? The school. For the shirt? There is nobody to blame because that kid is an idiot for wearing it, and his parents are equally as ridiculous for allowing him to wear it to school.

You seem to have this big bad wolf picture of Obama, but I'm really starting to believe that it's not for any good reason, you can't support yourself properly in any debate when his name is mentioned and you're always just throwing around the blame along with some Ted Nugent links. Extreme, heavily biased opinions aren't really credible. Not a good way to debate.

This is why I'm frightened of American politics. Everyone spoonfeeds information from their preferable party without even analyzing the ideas first. Makes it very easy to turn a population ugly.

[Professional Russian]

Putting aside the fact that Obama has done nothing to influence the decisions of the police in the first video, and the school officials in the second.....


You're right that this falls under a 'free speech' issue, but you fail to understand that students are not guaranteed this right to the same extent as adults are. This has to do with the fact that schools have to protect all students at the school. According to the American Civil Liberties Union: "You (students) have a right to express your opinions as long as you do so in a way that doesn't 'materially and substantially' disrupt classes or other school activities." Meaning if you're wearing a shirt that's stopping class and having other kids or teachers going "Wait a second....." the school has every right to make you change the shirt. If you refuse, you're going to get suspended. Not because of what the shirt said, but because of blatant insubordination.




It's against school policy. The school has an excellent reason for not allowing beads. The kid was NOT suspended because of the beads, he was suspended because he was insubordinate, and refused to obey the administrators when given several chances to do so.



End point: You as a student do NOT have the same rights as an adult. Period. End of story.

If my principle sat there and told me to take my dog tags because they support gangs id say hell no. theres a valid reason behind why i wear them

[Neverender]

If my principle sat there and told me to take my dog tags because they support gangs id say hell no. theres a valid reason behind why i wear them

That's completely unrelated. There's wiggle room with Dog Tags. There's no wiggle room wearing a shirt that says OBAMA SUCKS HURRR

[Commander Thor]

If my principle sat there and told me to take my dog tags because they support gangs id say hell no. theres a valid reason behind why i wear them

And you'd be suspended for that. You're not obeying the school administrators, which will get you kicked out.
Valid reason for wearing them or not, if it's against school policy you have to obey that. If you disobey that, you'll face the consequences.

[Professional Russian]

And you'd be suspended for that. You're not obeying the school administrators, which will get you kicked out.
Valid reason for wearing them or not, if it's against school policy you have to obey that. If you disobey that, you'll face the consequences.

Well thats a bunch of bullshit. they shouldnt force me to take them off they should call my parents and have them varify what i said

[StoppingTime]

If my principle sat there and told me to take my dog tags because they support gangs id say hell no. theres a valid reason behind why i wear them

Then where is your valid reason for wearing a shirt that says, "Obama sucks." There isn't one.
Choose a point, and debate it.
And yes, if your principal said you couldn't wear them, then you can't. You could try and civilly ask why, but I wouldn't go farther than that.
Once again, that has nothing to do with this argument!

[Neverender]

If you disobey that, you'll face the consequences.

I'd have to challenge that idea there. If I find the school administration (Usually because of the clueless knobs in the District Office) is enforcing a new law that is completely unfounded or ridiculous I will and have fought against it because I'm an Angry Young Man, with my radical plans.

[Professional Russian]

Then where is your valid reason for wearing a shirt that says, "Obama sucks." There isn't one.
Choose a point, and debate it.
And yes, if your principal said you couldn't wear them, then you can't. You could try and civilly ask why, but I wouldn't go farther than that.
Once again, that has nothing to do with this argument!


freedom speech it does.


I'd have to challenge that idea there. If I find the school administration (Usually because of the clueless knobs in the District Office) is enforcing a new law that is completely unfounded or ridiculous I will and have fought against it because I'm an Angry Young Man, with my radical plans.


I think this is mocking me?


I have the best song for america today and its from one of my favorite musicians: 41bI2yieYzA

[StoppingTime]

So, you're saying that the fact that, hypothetically, you cannot wear a dog tag is an issure of free speech?
It's hypothetical!

[Neverender]

I think this is mocking me?

Unless Billy Joel wrote a song about you years before you were born then the answer is "No".

bpMv76SIUhg

[Commander Thor]

Well thats a bunch of bullshit. they shouldnt force me to take them off they should call my parents and have them varify what i said
If you're civil about it, they might let you keep wearing them.
Meaning, if you listen to them, and comply when they first ask you, then have your parents call in later and *calmly* explain the reason why you wear the tags, the school has a higher chance of letting you wear them.

But knowing you, that wouldn't happen. You'd probably sit there like a 7 year old throwing a fit, and yelling at them about how your "first amendment rights" are being violated! Just like you are in this thread.

Choose a point, and debate it.


He can't, why do you think he's jumping around so much?
I'd have to challenge that idea there. If I find the school administration (Usually because of the clueless knobs in the District Office) is enforcing a new law that is completely unfounded or ridiculous I will and have fought against it because I'm an Angry Young Man, with my radical plans.


That doesn't change the fact that you're still going to be suspended.....
While yes, you may change school policy/law eventually, and *may* even get an apology letter, you're still going to get suspended, for not following policy.


Edit:freedom speech it does.
Are you listening at all?

*ahem*
FREEDOM OF SPEECH MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHEN YOU'RE A STUDENT!!!

[Professional Russian]

So, you're saying that the fact that, hypothetically, you cannot wear a dog tag is an issure of free speech?
It's hypothetical!

Well i have a problem when someone tells me to take these dog tags off you guys already know why

Unless Billy Joel wrote a song about you years before you were born then the answer is "No".

bpMv76SIUhg
i love blly joel i should have seen that comeing

If you're civil about it, they might let you keep wearing them.
Meaning, if you listen to them, and comply when they first ask you, then have your parents call in later and *calmly* explain the reason why you wear the tags, the school has a higher chance of letting you wear them.

But knowing you, that wouldn't happen. You'd probably sit there like a 7 year old throwing a fit, and yelling at them about how your "first amendment rights" are being violated! Just like you are in this thread.



He can't, why do you think he's jumping around so much?


That doesn't change the fact that you're still going to be suspended.....
While yes, you may change school policy/law eventually, and *may* even get an apology letter, you're still going to get suspended, for not following policy.

Id rather get suspended for wearing something that i honor than taking them off and giveing up to the socialist united states system

[Neverender]

That doesn't change the fact that you're still going to be suspended.....
While yes, you may change school policy/law eventually, and *may* even get an apology letter, you're still going to get suspended, for not following policy.

>still going to be suspended

What is it with American schools and suspending people? I can't be suspended under Student rights in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms for raising concerns to the Administration.

Any school that goes beyond providing an education by not treating it's students like fellow human beings or by prying into their hidden lives is a school worth burning down.

[StoppingTime]

Well i have a problem when someone tells me to take these dog tags off you guys already know why

When did they tell you?





Id rather get suspended for wearing something that i honor than taking them off and giveing up to the socialist united states system

We got a stand up citizen over here!!!!!!!1111!!!!oneoneone

[Professional Russian]

When did they tell you?

The school never told but other kids in school have told me that they are retarded and out of style and stupid. when they tell me to take them off i tell them fuck you and then im in the office for saying fuck you




We got a stand up citizen over here!!!!!!!1111!!!!oneoneone

i dont get it im guessing sarcasm

[Neverender]

Id rather get suspended for wearing something that i honor than taking them off and giveing up to the socialist united states system

And we're gone full-circle. I don't understand the American crusade against Socialism, while most of your government programs like Medicare are indeed Socialist programs.

[Commander Thor]

>still going to be suspended

What is it with American schools and suspending people? I can't be suspended under Student rights in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms for raising concerns to the Administration.

Any school that goes beyond providing an education by not treating it's students like fellow human beings or by prying into their hidden lives is a school worth burning down.

I may have misread your original statement.

If you're fighting against a new policy, then that's perfectly acceptable to bring your concerns to the administration *as long as* you're currently following that policy. If you're not following the policy, then yes, the school has every right to suspend you for being insubordinate.

[Professional Russian]

And we're gone full-circle. I don't understand the American crusade against Socialism, while most of your government programs like Medicare are indeed Socialist programs.

And socialism is bad

[ShaneSawyer]

i'm american, and i love the idea of socialism :D

[Neverender]

And socialism is bad

So is your Social Security cheque.


Pic related, me shooting off about Anti-socialism on 420chan. Because this is what this thread boils down to.

http://boards.420chan.org/weed/src/1340901340445.png

[Professional Russian]

So is your Social Security cheque.

and socialism is bad right?

[Neverender]

and socialism is bad right?

uh No.

[Professional Russian]

uh No.

And i was under the impression that socialism is bad

[StoppingTime]

And i was under the impression that socialism is bad

It doesn't have to be.

[Neverender]

And i was under the impression that socialism is bad

It works for Europe, all of the countries in which enjoy a higher standard of living and have a higher HDI than the United States.

[ShaneSawyer]

and socialism is bad right?

just wondering, but are you high? because it seems like you have a super bias, un-educated opinion. no offense, but for a majority of this thread you have made little to no sense.

[Professional Russian]

It doesn't have to be.

but i can be right

It works for Europe, all of the countries in which enjoy a higher standard of living and have a higher HDI than the United States.

I thought britian was a democracy

just wondering, but are you high? because it seems like you have a super bias, un-educated opinion. no offense, but for a majority of this thread you have made little to no sense.
never done drugs in my life. everyone biased whether you think it or not. everyone leans toward the side that they like better. i usaully dont make sense. i only make sense to my self

[Neverender]

Do you wear a tinfoil hat by any chance?


I thought britian was a democracy


I hope you're trolling. Socialism does not equal Communism. I can't fathom why you wouldn't understand that. (And for the record Communism is almost identical to Fascism, which is what you get when you vote too far right (And we end up with internet censorship laws, again.)

never done drugs in my life. everyone biased whether you think it or not. everyone leans toward the side that they like better. i usaully dont make sense. i only make sense to my self
Clearly.

just wondering, but are you high?

He's not but I sure am

[Professional Russian]

Do you wear a tinfoil hat by any chance?
No

I hope you're trolling. Socialism does not equal Communism. I can't fathom why you wouldn't understand that. (And for the record Communism is almost identical to Fascism, which is what you get when you vote too far right (And we end up with internet censorship laws, again.)

i thought socialism was bad atleast thats what ive always been under the impression of

Clearly.

i know its sad

[Neverender]

i thought socialism was bad atleast thats what ive always been under the impression of

Do you even know what socialism is? Do you just debate about whatever bullshit you know nothing about?

[ShaneSawyer]

Don't believe what everyone tells you. research and and develop your own opinion.

[Professional Russian]

Do you even know what socialism is? Do you just debate about whatever bullshit you know nothing about?

socialism is where everythings controled by the people(Mainly the rich)

[Neverender]

socialism is where everythings controled by the people(Mainly the rich)

No. Socialism is where Income Taxes redistribute with Government Revenue back to Health Care, Education, Search and Rescue, mining, rural developement, job stimulus, Old Age Pensions, Canada Pensions, CPP Pensions, Retirement Pensions, Unemployment insurance, and each province has various provincial departments. One notable one in my province is "Newfoundland & Labrador Housing" which ensures you will never have to go homeless.

It's not run by the people, it's run by the government. Afterwards they send back what they didn't spend through Income Tax Returns and Tax Benefits.

We all pay together into healthcare for the benefit of all. Not just the private system where you can bribe $30,000 and get a new kidney by thursday. It doesn't matter how rich or poor you are you are put on the waiting list based on severeity.


Also meaning that the rich have no more control over where their money goes (and they get higher taxes)than the poor because the government runs away with it before handing back returns.

[OregonStateDude]

I looked at my high school's student handbook, and here's what it says about clothing:

"Clothing that carries a sexual, vulgar or offensive message, or
references the use of alcohol, tobacco, drugs, weapons, or gang affiliation will not be permitted."

So yeah, I don't think my school would allow a T-shirt like that either. I feel bad for Daxx Dalton, but 6th grade seems kind of young to have extreme views like that.

[Lyra Heartstrings]

These 2 videos are pretty stupid in terms of trying to take away our freedom of speech

p3DR5tkjeAU

DR2Tdt-78QE


Wow i cant believe what obama has done to this country. Fuck you Obama

First video was just stupid cops, not even Obama's fault.
Second video actually made sense. Mike said what I wanted to say, I'm not going to copy him. Just read his post again.

ok ok what about this then:

jUmZ_DJC0Po

it has nothing to do with politics or anything else

A. This has nothing to do with the topic.
B. It's a school rule, you need to follow it.

I dont like obama i have problems with him that you dont need to know about. I think ted nugent would be a good president because i have watched 100s upon 100s of interviews with him about politics and i like his ideas. and this debate is not about obama its about the 1st amendment

If we don't need to know about it, then you shouldn't post about him.

Well thats a bunch of bullshit. they shouldnt force me to take them off they should call my parents and have them varify what i said

It's a rule. Follow it.

If my principle sat there and told me to take my dog tags because they support gangs id say hell no. theres a valid reason behind why i wear them

No wonder you hate him so much..you ignore everything he tells you. When an adult tells you to do something, you listen to them. You are a child. You don't get to say "FUCK YOU, I DON'T FOLLOW RULES." to people. That's immature. Now grow up, and listen.

And socialism is bad

Since my facepalm image doesn't want to work..
http://mylittlefacewhen.com/f/4857/
I'll give you the direct link.

[Neverender]

I'd say that right now that I could wear a shirt that says "Stephen Harper Sucks" to my High School and I'd get a pat on the back.


Everyone hates Harper. Sounds like a fucking sitcom.

And socialism is bad

>my face when

http://boards.420chan.org/b/src/1340904644355.jpg

Posts merged ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

[Professional Russian]

No. Socialism is where Income Taxes redistribute with Government Revenue back to Health Care, Education, Search and Rescue, mining, rural developement, job stimulus, Old Age Pensions, Canada Pensions, CPP Pensions, Retirement Pensions, Unemployment insurance, and each province has various provincial departments. One notable one in my province is "Newfoundland & Labrador Housing" which ensures you will never have to go homeless.

It's not run by the people, it's run by the government. Afterwards they send back what they didn't spend through Income Tax Returns and Tax Benefits.

We all pay together into healthcare for the benefit of all. Not just the private system where you can bribe $30,000 and get a new kidney by thursday. It doesn't matter how rich or poor you are you are put on the waiting list based on severeity.


Also meaning that the rich have no more control over where their money goes (and they get higher taxes)than the poor because the government runs away with it before handing back returns.

so if we get money back thats good thing. Cool more money but why dont they just keep our money and throw it into the economy to help make it better

[Neverender]

so if we get money back thats good thing. Cool more money but why dont they just keep our money and throw it into the economy to help make it better

Because the economy in Canada is already chugging along quite nicely. If CNN wasn't bitching to me all the time we'd have never said there was a recession up here.

And because your system isn't socialist they can't do that. I don't know exactly what you run but it's different from Canada's.

[Professional Russian]

Because the economy in Canada is already chugging along quite nicely. If CNN wasn't bitching to me all the time we'd have never said there was a recession up here.

And because your system isn't socialist they can't do that. I don't know exactly what you run but it's different from Canada's.

we're a constitutional democracy right?

[Neverender]

we're a constitutional democracy right?

You're not actually a true democracy, given the electoral college system, but you are a Republic.

[StoppingTime]

In case you ask, a true democracy is when every citizen has a say in every matter.

[Professional Russian]

In case you ask, a true democracy is when every citizen has a say in every matter.

Thats what we fucking need maybe this would finally be good country if people got a say in everything

[ImCoolBeans]

Thats what we fucking need maybe this would finally be good country if people got a say in everything

http://memextreme.com/wp-content/gallery/meme-faces/misc-seriously.png

That won't work how you think it will. People are far too radicle and extreme, as seen in this thread.

Lets keep this on topic, guys.

[Professional Russian]

image (http://memextreme.com/wp-content/gallery/meme-faces/misc-seriously.png)

That won't work how you think it will. People are far too radicle and extreme, as seen in this thread.

Lets keep this on topic, guys.

true. if you look at most of the debate threads we agrue over what we believe in like that damn 2nd amendment thread we argued and argued aout what we think and that would probaly happen in a democracy

[Thunduhbuhlt]

First of all, the second one is from my state. :P

Anyways, that shirt was completely inappropriate to wear to school and could offend people and it is also slander on Obama. Is Obama really a terrorists best friend? No. So it is a lie and slander is illegal in the United States. Plus, an eleven year old should know better than to do this on a day of patriotism, because this is clearly something that does not show that. He may have not deserved to be suspended, but he sure as hell should have been forced to switch shirts, end of story.

[Anselmo]

In Portugal everyone says bad things about our president and prime minister even when interviewed for national television and there is nothing that says it's forbiden.
You have to understand that in school there are different rules. Per example you are free to use the mobile phone, but not during classes, why? because it's in the law of the school, and i'm pretty sure that if you read your school regulation there is something about the types of clothes that are adequate or not.

[Thunderstorm]

In Portugal everyone says bad things about our president and prime minister even when interviewed for national television and there is nothing that says it's forbiden.
You have to understand that in school there are different rules. Per example you are free to use the mobile phone, but not during classes, why? because it's in the law of the school, and i'm pretty sure that if you read your school regulation there is something about the types of clothes that are adequate or not.

I agree with everything you said Nuora.

And I am guessing you ({ProfessionalRussian}) are one of those people who think Freedom means you can run around your town naked, just judging by your profile and what else you're saying on this thread. Look at the past, and don't blame it all on Obama. The past determines the future.

[Cicero]

I disagree with the schools decision. They were taking away freedom of speech for that kid.

[Jess]

I disagree with the schools decision. They were taking away freedom of speech for that kid.

freedom of speech for students in school doesn't mean anything (as Commander Thor already said), or at least it's limited.

[Professional Russian]

I disagree with the schools decision. They were taking away freedom of speech for that kid.

I think its wrong that they did that but schools have power and can alter the constitution


Its a bunch of bullshit if you ask me

[Professional Russian]

Here let me put this in terms that you smart people might actually understand.:




I do find it ironic, though, that the same "rules are rules" argument that the conservatives were using in the immigration thread are being used by liberals in this freedom of speech thread. Also, few things irritate me more than the misconception that students' right to speech "means nothing" in school. That's absolute bullshit, and I find it incredibly saddening that a website full of mostly reasonable people would simply ignore 70 years of legal precedent and debate and instead talk about arbitrary and meaningless terms like "subordination". Seriously, when did the people on this forum suddenly start assuming that minors possess no legal rights whatsoever? Student speech is a serious issue that continues to be an unsettled debate. Freedom of speech does not end at the schoolhouse door, to quote the Supreme Court on the matter. Why can't a school be a forum for political viewpoints? As long as the government is making attendance compulsory for minors, the right for students to express their opinions should not be taken away. Schools aren't just "learning environments," they're also a place where a vast majority of people spend years of their lives. I strongly disagree with any suggestion that schools need to be made "neutral" by the government because some people are so insecure about their political views that they have a problem with others expressing their opinions. How do we expect to teach students about how society really works, where opinions are thrown around constantly, by raising them in an environment where they face no alternative opinions or discussion whatsoever?

But anyway, that's my two cents on the matter.

[MisterSix]

Your first amendment was written out on 1st of February 2002.

[Professional Russian]

Your first amendment was written out on 1st of February 2002.

what was that?

[Killsantoni]

Omg, VT is very liberal. I agree with Professional Russian, our rights need to be restored, or re-written, and students should have full rights. I agree with and applaud that 11 yo. Standing up for his right to speech. Good job kid. No sarcasm.

[StoppingTime]

Omg, VT is very liberal. I agree with Professional Russian, our rights need to be restored, or re-written, and students should have full rights. I agree with and applaud that 11 yo. Standing up for his right to speech. Good job kid. No sarcasm.

Nobody said that our rights, as students, should be limited.

[Killsantoni]

Nobody said that our rights, as students, should be limited.

Um, look back in the thread, and look for yourself.

[ShaneSawyer]

Um, look back in the thread, and look for yourself.

Um, saying a world leader is a terrorist and advertising that as a 5th grader on a shirt is just not right. say what you will about the president, i don't give 2 shits, but that kid probably doesnt even understand what he is actually saying and how offensive that can be to people. School is a place of learning, therefore, distractions must be minimal and that is god damn distracting. and offensive. and wrong. WHO THE HELL let's thier children do that? :/

[Sugaree]

ITT: Conservitards getting butthurt over shit that doesn't matter.

[Killsantoni]

ITT: Conservitards getting butthurt over shit that doesn't matter.

Well maybe we wouldn't be that way if you liberals weren't so entitled, think they can do anything without consequences.

[Professional Russian]

oh fuck not this again but :http://i.imgur.com/rCvI3.gif

[ImCoolBeans]

ITT: Conservitards getting butthurt over shit that doesn't matter.

Basically the gist of this whole thread.


ANYWHO~
Why are we moaning over student rights? School is an educational environment, not somewhere to go and protest. You guys, are failing to realize, and are really getting fired up over somebody bringing a political protest into a school building. School isn't somewhere where people should feel on edge because of political issues - thats not what school is for. End of.

[Sugaree]

Well maybe we wouldn't be that way if you liberals weren't so entitled, think they can do anything without consequences.

Herp derp you're a liberal and stupid. Hurr I'm gonna say you're entitled even though I know nothing of your political viewpoints and won't take the time to find out DURRRRRR.

[Killsantoni]

Herp derp you're a liberal and stupid. Hurr I'm gonna say you're entitled even though I know nothing of your political viewpoints and won't take the time to find out DURRRRRR.

Republican, I'm right, you're wrong. And I can say that because that's what the liberals are acting like in this thread.

[ImCoolBeans]

Alrighty guys, lets not get too far off here. If we can't be civil I'll need to lock this
:love:

[Professional Russian]

Alrighty guys, lets not get too far off here. If we can't be civil I'll need to lock this
:love:

Civil? On VT? About Politics? I think you've lost it mike i think you've lost it :eek::eek3:

[Sugaree]

Republican, I'm right, you're wrong. And I can say that because that's what the liberals are acting like in this thread.

You're making assumptions just like the liberals in this thread. Just because you're a conservative/Republican doesn't make you any more right than a liberal/Democrat. Learn how to be bipartisan, you'll get further along in life.

[MisterSix]

what was that?

The USA PATRIOT Act