Thoughts on Kim Kardashian's mom enabling her to have sex at 14.

[lexinthecity94]

In a recent interview with Oprah, Kim Kardashian revealed that she lost her virginity at 14 (almost 15). She noted that when she thought she wanted to do it, she went to her mother (Kris Jenner) and told her such. So Kris' solution was to start Kim on the pill (birth control). And than.. well... we know how that all worked out.

I am still a virgin by choice. And my opinion on this is simple, I think 14 is too young to lose your virginity. Your body is still changing, and you are not mentally prepared to take on the responsibilities that come along with sex. I think Kris Jenner was being a pal to Kim more so than an actual mother. I would NEVER allow my 14 year old daughter to have sex. I wouldn't freak out and ground my child, but I wouldn't permit it either. I would be more than willing to have an open and honest discussion with my kid about sex. But buying your kid birth control at 14 so they can have sex is not only enabling them, it's just plain irresponsible parenting.

More than likely, being sexually active so young resulted in the subsequent sex tape that was leaked. Probably Kim got bored of having private sex after being active for as long as she had been, and wanted another thrill which was recording the act.

I believe enabling your child to have sex at such a young age will only be detrimental to their future.

"Sex can wait, so masturbate"

[JessDaly]

I think 14 is a little young to be having sex, but if your responsible then it shouldnt have much of a bad affect on their life.

[VictoriaGotaSecret]

I think 14 is a little young to be having sex, but if your responsible then it shouldnt have much of a bad affect on their life.

yeah. also i hope the guy was wrapped up

[JessDaly]

Wait, how old was the guy?

[lexinthecity94]

He was probably around her age. 14 or 15. I just figure at 14, you don't have what it takes emotionally to do something as major as that. However, to a point I agree with her mother. If my child was was totally set on having sex, and there was no talking them out of it, than yes of course I would start her on birth control. But I would call that "Plan Z".

[Mortal Coil]

I think that the mother shouldn't have done it, as social norm dictates that this is inappropriate, but at the same time I also don't think that 14 is too young to be having sex as long as you're taking proper precautions against STIs/pregnancy.

[JessDaly]

If the guy was more than a year older than er then its definitly wrong though

[Ambrosia]

Your comment about her being sexually active for "so long" is in no way a reason for her to have made a sex tape, I'll tell you that right now.

[lexinthecity94]

Your comment about her being sexually active for "so long" is in no way a reason for her to have made a sex tape, I'll tell you that right now.

Oh yeah? What's your argument? What was her reason to make a sex tape?
My dad is a LICENSED sexual/psycho therapist. And we both share the same opinion on this. (And I'm not just regurgitating what my dad said. I do have my own opinion) How can you say there is no correlation between having sex at a young age and a sex tape? To me that makes perfect sense. Naturally you can only do the same thing for a while until you get bored of it. Obviously she got itchy feet and wanted to try something new. Which was in turn, having sex on tape. She was 20 when she did it. So for just over 5 years, she was most likely having a private sex life. I can understand wanting to make waves after 5 years of the same thing. I am not saying this applies to everyone, because like most things in life, there are exceptions.

[curvyrach]

My opinion is, it was unresponsible of her mom, but If your ready to have sex, go ahead. It's your life

[lexinthecity94]

Truthfully her mother did the "right" thing. But she really should have sat down and discussed the risks of doing this, and how teenage boys are not as emotionally mature as girls. That she might run the risk of being sexually used. But instead Kris was the "cool" mom and skipped all that to take her daughter to get birth control from the gyno.

[laurenspencer]

14 is a way too young, Im 17 and still a virgin and the Pill is not 100 percent effective and you can still get std's with just using the pill.

[ImCoolBeans]

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This is more of a debate

In a recent interview with Oprah, Kim Kardashian revealed that she lost her virginity at 14 (almost 15). She noted that when she thought she wanted to do it, she went to her mother (Kris Jenner) and told her such. So Kris' solution was to start Kim on the pill (birth control). And than.. well... we know how that all worked out.
I would be more than willing to have an open and honest discussion with my kid about sex. But buying your kid birth control at 14 so they can have sex is not only enabling them, it's just plain irresponsible parenting.

If a 14 year old girl wants to go out and have sex, they're going to do it. Kris Jenner didn't "allow" her to go out and have sex, she took a precaution that I'd hope a mother would when her younger daughter came to her and said "mom I want to have sex." She bought her birth control so that she wouldn't go out, have unprotected sex and get pregnant, ruining a lot of chances for the future. I actually see her to be somewhat responsible, making a good parenting move here.

More than likely, being sexually active so young resulted in the subsequent sex tape that was leaked. Probably Kim got bored of having private sex after being active for as long as she had been, and wanted another thrill which was recording the act.

What? Are you serious? For all you know your parents have a box filled with wild sex tapes in the closet, they just haven't leaked because nobody gives a fuck about them, they aren't celebrities like Kim Kardashian and Ray J. Their sex tape leaked because the wrong person got their hands on it and thought "damn, yo. I can make a lot of money with this." A lot of couples tape themselves having sex, yes for the thrill, but that doesn't have anything to do with being sexually active for so long. It's about exploring new sexual thrills with their partner, and enjoying it.


I believe enabling your child to have sex at such a young age will only be detrimental to their future.

To be honest, a lot of people are ready for sex around that age. Being sexually active at 14 hasn't left me with any regret so far. And I know many people in the same situation. My future isn't going to be some fucked up, scandalous life because of this, and the truth is, neither will the majority of people. She didn't have sex on tape because she's damaged from having sex at a young age, she got horny and pulled out the camera.

You sound like Freud, which I don't really think is a good thing.

[Thunderstorm]

What's new? Have you seen their family? Nothing surprising their. If that's how her mom likes to be a parent, that's their problem. It's the fact that they're under national spotlight for it.

[sammy1996]

I Agree with I'mCoolBeans, if a teenager wants to go and do something then rest pretty much assured they will find a place,time and way to go about doing it and so by putting her child on birthcontrol and probably discussing condoms etc she was doing what i'd think the best thing to do.

Also on the arguement of is she mature enough, if she was mature enough to understand the risks and ask her mum about then thats a good indicator showing she was mature atleast a reasonable amount.

If all risks such as pregnancy and STD's are taken care of and the people involved are mature enough to be responsible and do what they want without pressure i see no reason why sex shouldn't be done as a recreational activity.

[lexinthecity94]

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This is more of a debate




If a 14 year old girl wants to go out and have sex, they're going to do it. Kris Jenner didn't "allow" her to go out and have sex, she took a precaution that I'd hope a mother would when her younger daughter came to her and said "mom I want to have sex." She bought her birth control so that she wouldn't go out, have unprotected sex and get pregnant, ruining a lot of chances for the future. I actually see her to be somewhat responsible, making a good parenting move here.



What? Are you serious? For all you know your parents have a box filled with wild sex tapes in the closet, they just haven't leaked because nobody gives a fuck about them, they aren't celebrities like Kim Kardashian and Ray J. Their sex tape leaked because the wrong person got their hands on it and thought "damn, yo. I can make a lot of money with this." A lot of couples tape themselves having sex, yes for the thrill, but that doesn't have anything to do with being sexually active for so long. It's about exploring new sexual thrills with their partner, and enjoying it.



To be honest, a lot of people are ready for sex around that age. Being sexually active at 14 hasn't left me with any regret so far. And I know many people in the same situation. My future isn't going to be some fucked up, scandalous life because of this, and the truth is, neither will the majority of people. She didn't have sex on tape because she's damaged from having sex at a young age, she got horny and pulled out the camera.

You sound like Freud, which I don't really think is a good thing.

Ok, I'm gonna call it like I see it. You're some punk ass kid on a message board. What the hell do you know? Just because you weren't messed up from having sex at 14 doesn't mean others aren't. Generally speaking, boys are very immature at 14 and girls can be too. Problem is, that at 14, most people are very myopic. Meaning they can't see past the than and now. So what may seem like a good idea at 14 is not how you may see it at 17 or 25. I don't think it's a good idea to enable your child to have sex at all. If there is no reasoning with them, than of course you start the child on contraceptive. But at 14, there is no true concept of love. We think we have it, but we don't. There is a lot of responsibility that comes with being sexually active, and most teenagers aren't ready for that burden.

And why do you think she wanted to explore those sexual thrills with a video tape? Because she had been having sex for so long. When you become the neighborhood trollop, it tells a lot about you. Lots of people make sex tapes and don't get caught. True. But she did, and was basically glorified for doing something that only took a video tape and a complete lack of self respect. Sex is not something that should be done so casually as brushing your teeth. I believe it is a beautiful deep meaningful thing that should be shared with a one person couple of people through out your life. Not the whole damn world.

And the Sigmund Freud comment, I'm educated on this topic. Bottom line. I have my opinions, and I feel my parents have instilled the confidence and the proper moral compass to lead my life effectively. To be honest, I would LOVE to have sex right now. But I know I'm not ready.

I Agree with I'mCoolBeans, if a teenager wants to go and do something then rest pretty much assured they will find a place,time and way to go about doing it and so by putting her child on birthcontrol and probably discussing condoms etc she was doing what i'd think the best thing to do.

Also on the arguement of is she mature enough, if she was mature enough to understand the risks and ask her mum about then thats a good indicator showing she was mature atleast a reasonable amount.

If all risks such as pregnancy and STD's are taken care of and the people involved are mature enough to be responsible and do what they want without pressure i see no reason why sex shouldn't be done as a recreational activity.

She didn't say "Mom I want to be put on birth control". It was more "Mom, I want to have sex soon." And being the cool mom she is, Kris Jenner didn't persuade her otherwise. She just went out and got her started on the pill. Does she not have the word "NO" in her vocabulary? By actively allowing your child to have sex, you are essentially allowing them to rule the roost. Us teens love boundaries.. to an extent. Boundaries are the way our parents show they love us very much. Obviously, there is no sexual boundaries in that house.

Posts merged ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

[ImCoolBeans]

Ok, I'm gonna call it like I see it. You're some punk ass kid on a message board. What the hell do you know? Just because you weren't messed up from having sex at 14 doesn't mean others aren't. Generally speaking, boys are very immature at 14 and girls can be too. Problem is, that at 14, most people are very myopic. Meaning they can't see past the than and now. So what may seem like a good idea at 14 is not how you may see it at 17 or 25. I don't think it's a good idea to enable your child to have sex at all. If there is no reasoning with them, than of course you start the child on contraceptive. But at 14, there is no true concept of love. We think we have it, but we don't. There is a lot of responsibility that comes with being sexually active, and most teenagers aren't ready for that burden.

And why do you think she wanted to explore those sexual thrills with a video tape? Because she had been having sex for so long. When you become the neighborhood trollop, it tells a lot about you. Lots of people make sex tapes and don't get caught. True. But she did, and was basically glorified for doing something that only took a video tape and a complete lack of self respect. Sex is not something that should be done so casually as brushing your teeth. I believe it is a beautiful deep meaningful thing that should be shared with a one person couple of people through out your life. Not the whole damn world.

And the Sigmund Freud comment, I'm educated on this topic. Bottom line. I have my opinions, and I feel my parents have instilled the confidence and the proper moral compass to lead my life effectively. To be honest, I would LOVE to have sex right now. But I know I'm not ready.



She didn't say "Mom I want to be put on birth control". It was more "Mom, I want to have sex soon." And being the cool mom she is, Kris Jenner didn't persuade her otherwise. She just went out and got her started on the pill. Does she not have the word "NO" in her vocabulary? By actively allowing your child to have sex, you are essentially allowing them to rule the roost. Us teens love boundaries.. to an extent. Boundaries are the way our parents show they love us very much. Obviously, there is no sexual boundaries in that house.

Posts merged ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

Oh no! Punk ass kid?! What ever will I do now?! :(

See, but all you're doing here is jumping from conclusion to conclusion, starting with the nice little label you slapped on me. You weren't there when Kim Kardashian told her mom that she wanted to have sex, you weren't there when she was out having sex, you weren't there after. So everything you're saying is pure assumption, you're borderline making shit up.

Her mother helped prevent her from getting knocked up at 14 since the inevitable was going to happen, whether she liked it or not.

And just because some people get fucked up by losing their virginity at a young age doesn't mean that everybody does. Oh look, see what I did there? That happens to be the exact same logic that you just used!

[lexinthecity94]

Oh no! Punk ass kid?! What ever will I do now?! :(

See, but all you're doing here is jumping from conclusion to conclusion, starting with the nice little label you slapped on me. You weren't there when Kim Kardashian told her mom that she wanted to have sex, you weren't there when she was out having sex, you weren't there after. So everything you're saying is pure assumption, you're borderline making shit up.

Her mother helped prevent her from getting knocked up at 14 since the inevitable was going to happen, whether she liked it or not.

And just because some people get fucked up by losing their virginity at a young age doesn't mean that everybody does. Oh look, see what I did there? That happens to be the exact same logic that you just used!

You're being silly. Go back to moderating, or whatever it is you do on here.

[ImCoolBeans]

You're being silly. Go back to moderating, or whatever it is you do on here.

Lol thats quite hilarious coming from you actually, lets keep this on topic and lets not directly insult members before I lock this or before infractions need to be handed out. Yeah?

[lexinthecity94]

At 14, we are just barely into puberty. That's middle school. Honestly, at our age we should just focus of being kids. That's what we are. We only have so much youth to enjoy before it's gone. Why cloud it up with doing something soo... soo... adult?! Yeah, adult. It makes no sense to me. There are other ways to express love and intimacy.

Yes, it was edited, and that conversation is now over. - Mike/ImCoolBeans

[sammy1996]

To be honest, I would LOVE to have sex right now. But I know I'm not ready.



She didn't say "Mom I want to be put on birth control". It was more "Mom, I want to have sex soon." And being the cool mom she is, Kris Jenner didn't persuade her otherwise. She just went out and got her started on the pill. Does she not have the word "NO" in her vocabulary? By actively allowing your child to have sex, you are essentially allowing them to rule the roost. Us teens love boundaries.. to an extent. Boundaries are the way our parents show they love us very much. Obviously, there is no sexual boundaries in that house.
[/I]

If you're not ready for sex you're no more ready to lecture people about it, you have no experience on the matter and are making so many assumptions and listening to what you've been told, with no experience from yourself.

And your corrections on what the wording was at the situation, unless you have proof on what was said you're clutching at straws and are making the story suit your argument.

Even if what you said was true showing such express interest in sex means she probably was going to do it, so the educating on sex and supplying with contraceptive pills was necessary and just because the education had taken place it doesn't mean her mother patted her on the head and said "run along now go and fuck someone as soon as you can"the actions dont actively encourage sex, just makes it safe and therefore more acceptable than kim running of, getting laid in a rush against her mothers knowledge and potentially getting pregnant at 14.

as a said note, you said her mother could have said no, and yes while a firm "no" answer is what a lot of people would do it isn't effective, i can almost guarantee you've been told no, and done it anyway, or even the "no" made you want to do it even more, it is what people do and so it was better to lessen the "damage" sex could do, arguably take away all dangers.

[Aves]

I'm sure that Kim's mom wasn't thrilled when her 14 year old daughter came up and said "I want to have sex", but there's little she can do to stop her. She took the right course of action, in my opinion. Also, are you one-hundred percent certain she didn't say no? Stop making assumptions and learn to evaluate the situation first.

[ImCoolBeans]

If one more thing is said you're gone. If you're going to act that way you don't need to be a part of the site.

[lexinthecity94]

Well I could tell you the truth on how I actually know what I'm talking about. And it's not just because my dad is a sex therapist. But it's not even worth getting into such a trivial discussion. I know what I know from first hand information, and that's that.



If you're not ready for sex you're no more ready to lecture people about it, you have no experience on the matter and are making so many assumptions and listening to what you've been told, with no experience from yourself.

And your corrections on what the wording was at the situation, unless you have proof on what was said you're clutching at straws and are making the story suit your argument.

Even if what you said was true showing such express interest in sex means she probably was going to do it, so the educating on sex and supplying with contraceptive pills was necessary and just because the education had taken place it doesn't mean her mother patted her on the head and said "run along now go and fuck someone as soon as you can"the actions dont actively encourage sex, just makes it safe and therefore more acceptable than kim running of, getting laid in a rush against her mothers knowledge and potentially getting pregnant at 14.

as a said note, you said her mother could have said no, and yes while a firm "no" answer is what a lot of people would do it isn't effective, i can almost guarantee you've been told no, and done it anyway, or even the "no" made you want to do it even more, it is what people do and so it was better to lessen the "damage" sex could do, arguably take away all dangers.

[Korashk]

Ok, I'm gonna call it like I see it. You're some punk ass kid on a message board. What the hell do you know? Just because you weren't messed up from having sex at 14 doesn't mean others aren't.

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And why do you think she wanted to explore those sexual thrills with a video tape? Because she had been having sex for so long. When you become the neighborhood trollop, it tells a lot about you. Lots of people make sex tapes and don't get caught. True. But she did, and was basically glorified for doing something that only took a video tape and a complete lack of self respect. Sex is not something that should be done so casually as brushing your teeth. I believe it is a beautiful deep meaningful thing that should be shared with a one person couple of people through out your life. Not the whole damn world.
You're so full of shit its hilarious. Your dad is a psycho/sexual therapist, but thinks that Kim Kardashian released the sex tape because she got bored of regular sex because she'd had sex for so long? That's freaking retarded and I agree with the person who mentioned he took after Freud. Freud is a hack whose ideas have mostly been debunked. According to surveys in many countries 20-50% of people that age self-describe as "sexually experienced" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginity#Prevalence_of_virginity). There is no correlation between early sexual activity and releasing sex tapes.

A more reasonable idea as to why she released the sex tape (oh yes, she released it, she was involved) is to get famous. That's how those types of celebrities function. To her it was a career move.

She didn't say "Mom I want to be put on birth control". It was more "Mom, I want to have sex soon." And being the cool mom she is, Kris Jenner didn't persuade her otherwise. She just went out and got her started on the pill. Does she not have the word "NO" in her vocabulary? By actively allowing your child to have sex, you are essentially allowing them to rule the roost. Us teens love boundaries.. to an extent. Boundaries are the way our parents show they love us very much. Obviously, there is no sexual boundaries in that house.
You talk like all teenagers are the same, which is another absurd notion you've spewed. As for the birth control thing, do you really think a parent saying "no" is going to do anything at all to help the situation? As others have said, getting the birth control was the responsible thing to do. Not the other way around.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

To be honest, a lot of people are ready for sex around that age. Being sexually active at 14 hasn't left me with any regret so far. And I know many people in the same situation. My future isn't going to be some fucked up, scandalous life because of this, and the truth is, neither will the majority of people. She didn't have sex on tape because she's damaged from having sex at a young age, she got horny and pulled out the camera.


There we go, I agree and this basically applies to me as well.

[sammy1996]

Well I could tell you the truth on how I actually know what I'm talking about. And it's not just because my dad is a sex therapist. But it's not even worth getting into such a trivial discussion. I know what I know from first hand information, and that's that.

We're on a debating forum and you just said you're not going to tell me why and expect me to just accept your right when it sounds like your talking what to me sounds like bollocks?

[lexinthecity94]

My family used to know the Kardashians. We are not close anymore. I am not famous nor is my family. I knew Kendall from playgroup when we were little kids. We were very friendly with the family growing up when I lived in CA. I'm not BFF's with Kim or any of the other ones. I don't know her really. I remember her from being over at their house. But from everything I remember of Kris, she was such a nice lady, but it didn't surprise me to hear what was said in the interview. She was always sort of "liberal" with the rules. We have since lost touch with them (I moved away from CA with my parents).

My point of all this is, that Kris was the person you could talk to about anything, and I'm sure she still is, but she was always more understanding it seemed like than Robert (her than ex husband).

Again, let me reiterate that I was like 4 or 5 when we knew them. We moved when I was 8.

I don't need to hear the backlash if you don't believe me. Quite frankly I don't care if you do or don't. But the way I see it, ya gotta know somebody right? And it's not like they were famous at the time. Well her ex husband was I suppose... And I guess Bruce was too from the Olympics.


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You're so full of shit its hilarious. Your dad is a psycho/sexual therapist, but thinks that Kim Kardashian released the sex tape because she got bored of regular sex because she'd had sex for so long? That's freaking retarded and I agree with the person who mentioned he took after Freud. Freud is a hack whose ideas have mostly been debunked. According to surveys in many countries 20-50% of people that age self-describe as "sexually experienced". There is no correlation between early sexual activity and releasing sex tapes.

A more reasonable idea as to why she released the sex tape (oh yes, she released it, she was involved) is to get famous. That's how those types of celebrities function. To her it was a career move.

You talk like all teenagers are the same, which is another absurd notion you've spewed. As for the birth control thing, do you really think a parent saying "no" is going to do anything at all to help the situation? As others have said, getting the birth control was the responsible thing to do. Not the other way around.

First of all, you DO NOT know my father. You DO NOT know me. Do not call him a hack.

Secondly, do you read a lot of Sigmund Freud? Perhaps my eyes decieved me, but I looked through your profile, and I didn't see your medical degree. Where did you school? Perhaps I'm mistaking you with someone who actually has real life experience.

Thirdly, I DO NOT believe the tape was released on purpose as a "career move". I think it was just a lapse of judgment that got into the wrong hands. Nothing more.

Lastly, the median age for girls to start having sex is approximately 19 years old. (Those numbers come from a relative who is a demographer)

[StoppingTime]

My family used to know the Kardashians. We are not close anymore. I am not famous nor is my family. I knew Kendall from playgroup when we were little kids. We were very friendly with the family growing up when I lived in CA. I'm not BFF's with Kim or any of the other ones. I don't know her really. I remember her from being over at their house. But from everything I remember of Kris, she was such a nice lady, but it didn't surprise me to hear what was said in the interview. She was always sort of "liberal" with the rules. We have since lost touch with them (I moved away from CA with my parents).

My point of all this is, that Kris was the person you could talk to about anything, and I'm sure she still is, but she was always more understanding it seemed like than Robert (her than ex husband).

Again, let me reiterate that I was like 4 or 5 when we knew them. We moved when I was 8.

Lol. Just lol. Regardless of whether this is true or not, you being between the ages of 4-8, how could you possibly know how she would be later in life because you two went to preschool together?

I don't need to hear the backlash if you don't believe me. Quite frankly I don't care if you do or don't. But the way I see it, ya gotta know somebody right? And it's not like they were famous at the time. Well her ex husband was I suppose... And I guess Bruce was too from the Olympics.

Good, because without any solid evidence, I wouldn't believe a thing you say. And if you don't want to hear "backlash" don't post in a debate forum. Do us a favor.


Secondly, do you read a lot of Sigmund Freud? Perhaps my eyes decieved me, but I looked through your profile, and I didn't see your medical degree. Where did you school? Perhaps I'm mistaking you with someone who actually has real life experience.

Perhaps you should be mistaking him for someone who actually does research, not just what his father tells him.


Lastly, the median age for girls to start having sex is approximately 19 years old. (Those numbers come from a relative who is a demographer)

These numbers are from someone who did research.

http://i.imgur.com/wa9Kl.png

Here's the source for you.
(http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_024.pdf)

[Korashk]

First of all, you DO NOT know my father. You DO NOT know me. Do not call him a hack.
I called Freud a hack, not your father. I don't know enough about your father to tell if he's good at him job or not, although his view about early sexual activity and sex tapes doesn't paint him in a positive light.

Secondly, do you read a lot of Sigmund Freud? Perhaps my eyes decieved me, but I looked through your profile, and I didn't see your medical degree. Where did you school? Perhaps I'm mistaking you with someone who actually has real life experience.
It doesn't take a medical degree to read Freud or the various other published criticisms to realize that Freud's ideas were mostly the product of his ridiculous attempts at science. He was well known for contaminating his experiments with bias as well as ignoring conflict of interest. His major contributions to the field were more general things such as psychoanalysis and basically founding the concept of psychotherapy. It was other people that expanded these concepts and made them practical.

Thirdly, I DO NOT believe the tape was released on purpose as a "career move". I think it was just a lapse of judgment that got into the wrong hands. Nothing more.
So it's just a coincidence that she went from being virtually unknown to having a television show just months after the tape was released? Yeah, you can believe that if you want to.

Lastly, the median age for girls to start having sex is approximately 19 years old. (Those numbers come from a relative who is a demographer)
My numbers weren't about median age, it was a survey of 15 year olds. The point being that "early" sexual activity doesn't make you a deviant.

[lexinthecity94]

Your "research" is 10 years old. Believe it or not things have changed in the last 10 years. I will believe my relatives numbers because that is his JOB. He can spout off every useless statistic you never wanted to know. I have my own opinions on this matter. I do not just regurgitate what my dad tells me. And generally, when you are an adult your parenting style does not change to dramatically. So the way she was when I was a kid, it's safe to say she is the same parent.


Lol. Just lol. Regardless of whether this is true or not, you being between the ages of 4-8, how could you possibly know how she would be later in life because you two went to preschool together?


Good, because without any solid evidence, I wouldn't believe a thing you say. And if you don't want to hear "backlash" don't post in a debate forum. Do us a favor.



Perhaps you should be mistaking him for someone who actually does research, not just what his father tells him.



These numbers are from someone who did research.

image (http://i.imgur.com/wa9Kl.png)

Here's the source for you.
(http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_024.pdf)



I called Freud a hack, not your father. I don't know enough about your father to tell if he's good at him job or not, although his view about early sexual activity and sex tapes doesn't paint him in a positive light.


It doesn't take a medical degree to read Freud or the various other published criticisms to realize that Freud's ideas were mostly the product of his ridiculous attempts at science. He was well known for contaminating his experiments with bias as well as ignoring conflict of interest. His major contributions to the field were more general things such as psychoanalysis and basically founding the concept of psychotherapy. It was other people that expanded these concepts and made them practical.


So it's just a coincidence that she went from being virtually unknown to having a television show just months after the tape was released? Yeah, you can believe that if you want to.


My numbers weren't about median age, it was a survey of 15 year olds. The point being that "early" sexual activity doesn't make you a deviant.


You do know that Freud generally dealt with the male penis right? He had a preoccupation with size. He didn't really dive into female prepubescent sexuality too much.

Having sex early DOES NOT make you a deviant. However, at such a young age our minds are still growing. So if a girl who's 14 has sex with her boyfriend who tells her he loves her, does the deed than leaves her, it's going to fuck her up mentally. (This is not for everyone) But generally, it leads to feelings of detachment and abandonment. Thoughts that she will never be good enough for anyone. If this happens when a girl is older, (she gets used), than it has less of an impact. It still sucks, but it won't scar her forever.

I do not believe the tape was for publicity. I think it happened, and Kris struck when the iron was hot. I believe she did her job as a manager, and turned the negative publicity into positive publicity (via a TV show). They are a family famous for being famous. This was the ticket inside the kingdom. Good or bad, it is what it is.

[Lolli]

If you're ready you're ready and people judging her mom saying she should of had a proper chat instead etc, no doubt she did but you can't force teens to abstain forever, if they wanna they will simples

[Cicero]

I think its good Kris gave her daughter birth control, cause her mom cannot make Kim stay a virgin. If Kim wanted to have sex, Kris couldn't have done anything about it, she can't just say "Don't have sex." if her daughter wanted to have sex, if she wanted to have sex she still would've done it. Kris was only taking a precaution, probably saving Kim from ruining her childhood for having to raise a baby, I'm not saying a child ruins anything, Kim just wouldn't be able to do things that others could, or they would've gotten an abortion.

[lexinthecity94]

Actually Rocky, I think you are very spot on. I like your post. :-D

[Abyssal Echo]

Actually Rocky, I think you are very spot on. I like your post. :-D

I have to agree with Rocky also

[EvilB]

She cant do this to her lol {from the 300 spoof movie}

[lexinthecity94]

She cant do this to her lol {from the 300 spoof movie}

She probably should have. Kim has had more balls in her mouth than the "Hungry Hungry Hippos". Hiiiiyoooooo!

[Dark Blue]

Fourteen is a bit too young, not emotionally ready and can't really fathom how it would affect the future unless your really mature. With that being said, most mature fourteen year old's dont lose their virginity that early.

[Killsantoni]

Ok, I'm not getting into the Kardashian subject, but think of when it was the 5 century. The normal age expectation was about 35, and teens married and had sex. Same story 1000 years later. They were ready for sex. Their minds and bodies were just as developed as ours are right now. Don't say that we aren't mentally ready when we are and our ancestors were too. The only reason it's looked down upon right now is because of medicine advancements. So, we aren't ready? I'm gonna have to argue that with logic and historical facts.

[anyone50]

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[georgiaboy123]

He was probably around her age. 14 or 15. I just figure at 14, you don't have what it takes emotionally to do something as major as that. However, to a point I agree with her mother. If my child was was totally set on having sex, and there was no talking them out of it, than yes of course I would start her on birth control. But I would call that "Plan Z".


it isn't that big of a milestone to have sex, all it is is putting a penis in a vagina for a little while. I don't see the big deal.

[ShatteredWings]

Uh. Just wow at the OP's tirades...

To main question: Is losing your virginity at 14 OK?
Sure.
I really don't like this "magic" number age thing about virginity. I mean seriously it changes by region ffs (/referring to age of consent)
Yea, so there's plenty of people who shouldn't be doing it that young.
You also have a hard time stopping kids.

I'd rather hear about 13-15y/os having protected sex, with condoms and birth control, than 16-19y/os having unprotected sex.
For (most of) us, sex is fun. If someone feels they're emotionally ready for that fun then go for it, just have the maturity to take needed precautions.


it isn't that big of a milestone to have sex, all it is is putting a penis in a vagina for a little while. I don't see the big deal.
It's taboo. It's something that's not allowed to be discussed or seen.

[Cicero]

Lol. Just lol. Regardless of whether this is true or not, you being between the ages of 4-8, how could you possibly know how she would be later in life because you two went to preschool together?


Good, because without any solid evidence, I wouldn't believe a thing you say. And if you don't want to hear "backlash" don't post in a debate forum. Do us a favor.



Perhaps you should be mistaking him for someone who actually does research, not just what his father tells him.



These numbers are from someone who did research.

image (http://i.imgur.com/wa9Kl.png)

Here's the source for you.
(http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_024.pdf)

Their just like any other family, doesn't matter if they're famous or not. If I were to meet them, I would just think "Cool, I just met the kardashians" I wouldn't freak out about any other celebrity.

Note: This was particularly for the one you quoted, my mistake, it's supposed to be for the OP

[double r]

Kim Kardashian goes to my school and I remember she was complaining about this, walking around campus going to random people and screaming it ,and she literally had the mental breakdown right in front of me, and said why the hell was I looking at her. God I hate these celebrity kids, they create such fits it just on believable.

[EmptyBottle]

That's insane. Sex is after marriage.

[ImCoolBeans]

Kim Kardashian goes to my school and I remember she was complaining about this, walking around campus going to random people and screaming it ,and she literally had the mental breakdown right in front of me, and said why the hell was I looking at her. God I hate these celebrity kids, they create such fits it just on believable.

Kim Kardashian is 31, you are 13. She is 18 years older then you. You are lying, and a bad lie it is.

[DerBear]

I don't really have an opinion on the mother, should she have maybe spoken to her daughter more? Yes. Did she do something responsible, Yes. Buying her birth control. Overall is she a bad parent? No. She did what she thought would be most helpful.

Also about the age of 14 and sex

Only in the last 200 years had the idea that you have to be 16-18 to have sex. Only with change in government and lifestyle has this been happening.

Back in the 14-Century people had sex at such a young age as life expectancy was so low in fact people use to say at their 14th birthday "Half my life is gone" back in those days. So really on the change in time and life expectancy and government has caused this unessary social stigma because 200 years ago people had sex well before 16.