Illegal Immigrants

[Lanx]

In Canada, we enjoy chronic labour shortages. Meaning that if you went to School and you're qualified for a job, you're automatically hired upon application. The immigrant workers they bring in are to fill up the empty gaps n employment, and those people are very nice when you speak to them.

I can't help if uneducated people in the United States lose jobs to foreign uneducated people because they're willing to take less pay.

You're country needs to teach its people to spell correctly, there is no "u" in labor. Anyway, that's besides the point though.

We are willing to take less paying jobs, but if you would actually take the time to visit the United States, you'd see that a lot of these illegal criminals are not educated. Many of them are only here because of the drug wars. Plus, ask yourself, would you honestly want to laying manure in a field or mowing someone's lawn? I highly doubt it. Canada's immigration policies are just as fucked up as the United States' immigration policies are.

[shyguy21]

You're country needs to teach its people to spell correctly, there is no "u" in labor. Some countries spell it like that

Plus, ask yourself, would you honestly want to laying manure in a field or mowing someone's lawn? I highly doubt it. Then whats your problem with them "taking our jobs" if you don't even want the job?

[Cicero]

ALRIGHT, I'm ignoring everything you say because you're blatantly trying to piss the world off. Skipping ahead, Past the borders what do they do inside your country? Take jobs normal Americans don't want anyways. "ooooohh noooooo an illegal immigrant is my gardener!"

They make gangs in our country, they refuse to learn English.

But that video of that one guy from red dead redemption is kinda like me, but I'm not racist or whatever against natives, British, jews, and any European. But I'm not from the south.

And it wasn't bad that they were racist because that's how they were raised, more than half of everyone back then were racist or perfidioust against gays, blacks, and any other stuff. It's just that day in age, oh and a lot of slave owners didn't mistreat their slaves, they treated them like normal human beings.

[Neverender]

It's just that day in age, oh and a lot of slave owners didn't mistreat their slaves, they treated them like normal human beings.

What are you even talking about? I'm talking today, not the 1800s. The video is just allegorical in showing how they're talking. Not the way they talked, but the way they're talking at this very moment.

You're country needs to teach its people to spell correctly, there is no "u" in labor. Anyway, that's besides the point though.

We are willing to take less paying jobs, but if you would actually take the time to visit the United States, you'd see that a lot of these illegal criminals are not educated. Many of them are only here because of the drug wars. Plus, ask yourself, would you honestly want to laying manure in a field or mowing someone's lawn? I highly doubt it. Canada's immigration policies are just as fucked up as the United States' immigration policies are.


" "Labour" is not just British, but is used in all English-speaking countries other than the United States."

Nothing you're responding to is to what I said. I said:


I can't help if uneducated people in the United States lose jobs to foreign uneducated people because they're willing to take less pay.

If uneducated American citizens want American jobs, they need to get an education first.

You say:
you'd see that a lot of these illegal criminals are not educated
Neither are the Americans who do jobs often taken by Immigrants.


You say:
Plus, ask yourself, would you honestly want to laying manure in a field or mowing someone's lawn? I highly doubt it.
The immigrants are the ones who often take jobs like that. I already made this point numerous times. You don't want these people in your country but you acknowledge Normalized American Citizens won't want to do those jobs. Alright, so who do you want to do it?

[Lanx]

Some countries spell it like that

Then whats your problem with them "taking our jobs" if you don't even want the job?

1. I don't really care how other countries spell to be honest. I was just saying there is no "u" in that word.

2. My problem is that they are breaking the law by being here illegally, and they are stealing jobs from American workers who are far more qualified and far more educated, and are actually "gasp" here LEGALLY.

Oh and also, if I had to, I'd take the job, but in Texas for example, they are all taken by Hispanics. Plus I have a good job in the oil industry thank you. It is Texas after all :D

[StoppingTime]

They make gangs in our country, they refuse to learn English.

Citizens make gangs as well. Citizens don't want to learn English as well.


But that video of that one guy from red dead redemption is kinda like me,

That isn't something to strive for.


but I'm not racist or whatever against natives, British, jews, and any European. But I'm not from the south.

That makes it completely fine then.


And it wasn't bad that they were racist because that's how they were raised, more than half of everyone back then were racist or perfidioust against gays, blacks, and any other stuff.

Does that make it all right?


It's just that day in age, oh and a lot of slave owners didn't mistreat their slaves, they treated them like normal human beings.

Really? You know about the Constitutional Convention? How about the 3/5 compromise? If not, then here:
It stated that 3/5 of the black population would count in representation and taxpaying. It basically said that each black was 3/5 of a person.

This link is a bit graphic, so I won't post the image.
Mods, take it down if it too graphic.
http://www.sjsapush.com/resources/slavery.jpg

That doesn't seem to me like they are treated normally.

[Cicero]

1. I don't really care how other countries spell to be honest. I was just saying there is no "u" in that word.

2. My problem is that they are breaking the law by being here illegally, and they are stealing jobs from American workers who are far more qualified and far more educated, and are actually "gasp" here LEGALLY.

Oh and also, if I had to, I'd take the job, but in Texas for example, they are all taken by Hispanics. Plus I have a good job in the oil industry thank you. It is Texas after all :D

I think that they need to have a college degree to understand the difference between legal and illegal.

[Korashk]

People, just stop. They prefer being wrong and nothing you can do will change that. I know they might respond to this and say they're not wrong, but you really are. Most everything about your views on the topic are objectively false. As in, they contradict reality.

This topic has been done for a while.

[shyguy21]

And it wasn't bad that they were racist because that's how they were raised, more than half of everyone back then were racist or perfidioust against gays, blacks, and any other stuff. It's just that day in age, oh and a lot of slave owners didn't mistreat their slaves, they treated them like normal human beings. So because everyone was doing it, it was okay? Nope, try again. Majority isn't always correct. Disguising inhumane behavior behind, "thats just how people were", or "thats how people were thinking during that time", aren't excuses, but then again, thats besides the point of the thread.

[Neverender]

1. I don't really care how other countries spell to be honest. I was just saying there is no "u" in that word.

2. My problem is that they are breaking the law by being here illegally, and they are stealing jobs from American workers who are far more qualified and far more educated, and are actually "gasp" here LEGALLY.

But there is a U in that word. Just like there's a U in Colour. Why should the rest of the world be held to American standards?

Also, my point is that who cares if they're there "Illegally". Your grandparents (or some descendants) probably did the same thing. What does being 100 years in the future or past make any difference to whether or not someone can settle?

Furthermore, you acknowledged that the Mexicans are fleeing the drug war. Well end the drug war. Legalize it. Also, what do you do about illegal Syrians arriving in your country? Deport them too? They'll be slaughtered. What about Refugee status? Does the US think of itself on such high ground that immigrants claiming refugee status under the United Nations Convention are thrown back to Mexico or wherever they're from too because they "steal american jobs"?

[Cicero]

So because everyone was doing it, it was okay? Nope, try again. Majority isn't always correct. Disguising inhumane behavior behind, "thats just how people were", or "thats how people were thinking during that time", aren't excuses, but then again, thats besides the point of the thread.

Let me be more relatable. So being gay is normal and ok, in today's age? Correct. So was slavery 100+ years ago. No one saw it abnormal. Many were doing it. Just like being gay. Many people are doing it so does that mean that it's ok?

And no I'm not ashamed of admitting I'm racists toward a few races. I'm telling the truth, not like it matters if I'm a bit racist.

[shyguy21]

Let me be more relatable. So being gay is normal and ok, in today's age? Correct. So was slavery 100+ years ago. No one saw it abnormal. Many were doing it. Just like being gay. Everyone's doing it so does that mean that it's ok? :lol: Oh my goodness, this made me laugh. Did you really just compare being gay to slavery?

[StoppingTime]

Let me be more relatable. So being gay is normal and ok, in today's age? Correct. So was slavery 100+ years ago. No one saw it abnormal. Many were doing it. Just like being gay. Everyone's doing it so does that mean that it's ok?

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Just because nobody saw it as wrong, doesn't mean it isn't wrong.

[Neverender]

Let me be more relatable. So being gay is normal and ok, in today's age? Correct. So was slavery 100+ years ago. No one saw it abnormal. Many were doing it. Just like being gay. Many people are doing it so does that mean that it's ok?

And no I'm not ashamed of admitting I'm racists toward a few races. I'm telling the truth, not like it matters if I'm a bit racist.

Being gay is inherently being true to yourself. Slavery is the selfish action of taking another person as a servant of you. It's not like being Gay is a choice, for Humans to enslave our comrades, friends, brothers, sisters in the species because of a difference of ethnicity or colour is a choice.

You are shameful. Trying to justify slavery.

[Cicero]

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Just because nobody saw it as wrong, doesn't mean it isn't wrong.

Being born gay is a opinion. But that's not the point.

You just said

"Just because nobody saw it as wrong, doesn't mean it isn't wrong."

Well what if that's true about gay? I'm not saying it is or isn't. In today's age, we think it's ok. Just like they thought slavery was ok. 100+ years later we find out it isn't ok. What if in 100+ years we find out being gay isn't ok? It's all about the normal, being gay today is normal. Just as slavery was back then. Back then they said that it was ok having a few slaves.

[StoppingTime]

Being born gay is a opinion. But that's not the point.

You just said

"Just because nobody saw it as wrong, doesn't mean it isn't wrong."

Well what if that's true about gay? I'm not saying it is or isn't. In today's age, we think it's ok. Just like they thought slavery was ok. 100+ years later we find out it isn't ok. What if in 100+ years we find out being gay isn't ok? It's all about the normal, being gay today is normal. Just as slavery was back then. Back then they said that it was ok having a few slaves.

But something that isn't a choice has no normality to it. It isn't a choice. THey had a choice if they wanted to have slaves or not.

[Lanx]

But there is a U in that word. Just like there's a U in Colour. Why should the rest of the world be held to American standards?

Also, my point is that who cares if they're there "Illegally". Your grandparents (or some descendants) probably did the same thing. What does being 100 years in the future or past make any difference to whether or not someone can settle?

Furthermore, you acknowledged that the Mexicans are fleeing the drug war. Well end the drug war. Legalize it. Also, what do you do about illegal Syrians arriving in your country? Deport them too? They'll be slaughtered. What about Refugee status? Does the US think of itself on such high ground that immigrants claiming refugee status under the United Nations Convention are thrown back to Mexico or wherever they're from too because they "steal american jobs"?

When was the last time Canada went in and liberated a country from the grasps of evil dictators? In fact when was the last time Canada did anything besides follow behind the United States in regards to everything? Just because you're country has troops in Afghanistan does not mean Canada is taking a leadership role. The most you're country has done besides fight in the Second World War has been to lead a few two-bit UN peacekeeping missions. Your country's military is pitiful and it is so neglected by your government that it should be put out of it's misery.

Oh and by the way, Syrians don't just come to the US, they come to your precious country too.

The problem is Canada gives too many so-called refugees and immigrants a blank check (that's right, spelled with a "ck", not a a "que" on the end) and lets them have anything they want. I'm glad the United States doesn't give every immigrant that kind of benefit.

[shyguy21]

Well what if that's true about gay? I'm not saying it is or isn't. In today's age, we think it's ok. Just like they thought slavery was ok. 100+ years later we find out it isn't ok. What if in 100+ years we find out being gay isn't ok? It's all about the normal, being gay today is normal. Just as slavery was back then. Back then they said that it was ok having a few slaves. THE DIFFERENCE is that being gay doesn't harm anyone, does it. During slavery, people took "lesser" human beings and treated them like dogs. Would you compare slavery and being black? No. Thats why the two are incomparable.

[ImCoolBeans]

Being born gay is a opinion. But that's not the point.

You just said

"Just because nobody saw it as wrong, doesn't mean it isn't wrong."

Well what if that's true about gay? I'm not saying it is or isn't. In today's age, we think it's ok. Just like they thought slavery was ok. 100+ years later we find out it isn't ok. What if in 100+ years we find out being gay isn't ok? It's all about the normal, being gay today is normal. Just as slavery was back then. Back then they said that it was ok having a few slaves.

Wow... The two are beyond incomparable. One involves forcing people to do something they don't want to do, and the other is a deep romantic feeling. There is no correlation, the analogy is so far beyond impossible that I can't even see how you could begin to compare them.

But something that isn't a choice has no normality to it. It isn't a choice. THey had a choice if they wanted to have slaves or not.

Lets get back on topic here guys.

[Cicero]

But something that isn't a choice has no normality to it. It isn't a choice. THey had a choice if they wanted to have slaves or not.

That's a different debate whether it's a choice or not. Apparently back in the 1900s being gay was a choice, now all the sudden your born gay. Interesting, what's the gay gene?


Ok back on topic.

Illegal immigration would cause this country more harm than good.

[ImCoolBeans]

That's a different debate whether it's a choice or not. Apparently back in the 1900s being gay was a choice, now all the sudden your born gay. Interesting, what's the gay gene?

If I have to say stay on topic one more time I'm going to smack my face into a wall.

[Neverender]

When was the last time Canada went in and liberated a country from the grasps of evil dictators? In fact when was the last time Canada did anything besides follow behind the United States in regards to everything? Just because you're country has troops in Afghanistan does not mean Canada is taking a leadership role. The most you're country has done besides fight in the Second World War has been to lead a few two-bit UN peacekeeping missions. Your country's military is pitiful and it is so neglected by your government that it should be put out of it's misery.

Oh and by the way, Syrians don't just come to the US, they come to your precious country too.

The problem is Canada gives too many so-called refugees and immigrants a blank check (that's right, spelled with a "ck", not a a "que" on the end) and lets them have anything they want. I'm glad the United States doesn't give every immigrant that kind of benefit.

When was the last time Canada went in and liberated a country from the grasps of evil dictators?
Well we're in Afghanistan at the moment building Schools for girls and keeping the Taliban at bay, we cleared Kuwait, We cleared South Korea, Most notably we liberated our own beach at Normandy and the Entire country of Belgium, Luxembourg and parts of The Netherlands near Maastricht from Hitler's grasp.

The most you're country has done besides fight in the Second World War has been to lead a few two-bit UN peacekeeping missions. Your country's military is pitiful and it is so neglected by your government that it should be put out of it's misery.
We have a very well-trained army. It's for Self-Defense, because we're not aggressive every time someone mentions Oil or Communism. Remember, we burned down the White House when we won the war of 1812. And we'll do it again.


Oh and by the way, Syrians don't just come to the US, they come to your precious country too.
Except when the Syrians come here, we accept their presence and don't get on about how they're here illegally.

That's a different debate whether it's a choice or not. Apparently back in the 1900s being gay was a choice, now all the sudden your born gay. Interesting, what's the gay gene?
Maybe it was because they were classified as Mentally Ill and were taught that it's a "Sin". [-]FOR FUCKS SAKES COULD YOU BE ANY THICKER?[/-] But I digress. Yes...... Back to topic.

[Cicero]

Well we're in Afghanistan at the moment building Schools for girls and keeping the Taliban at bay, we cleared Kuwait, We cleared South Korea, Most notably we liberated our own beach at Normandy and the Entire country of Belgium, Luxembourg and parts of The Netherlands near Maastricht from Hitler's grasp.


We have a very well-trained army. It's for Self-Defense, because we're not aggressive every time someone mentions Oil or Communism. Remember, we burned down the White House when we won the war of 1812. And we'll do it again.


Except when the Syrians come here, we accept their presence and don't get on about how they're here illegally.


Maybe it was because they were classified as Mentally Ill and were taught that it's a "Sin". FOR FUCKS SAKES COULD YOU BE ANY THICKER?

Ya you burned the white house down when America was still a new country. We have the strongest military power in the world, we would beat Canada's asses. When Syrians are by me, I worry about being blown up, not illegal immigrants. Who knows with middle eastern people, they'll blow up for any reason to kill innocent people. You wouldn't even be able to get to the white house too, we have a satellite system which can detect a missile all the way from the middle east and destroy it before it even gets to us. We have far more resources and America is worth far much more many then canada eh. All together America is worth an estimated $34 trillion or so. No way! Your military is building schools for girls! Great job, that mustve taken your elite army branch to do that, considering that's a huge project for you guys. Actually, our army is keeping the Taliban at bay. Their not scared of Canadians, they fear the US way more than the Canadian army. In world war 2, the USA did an estimated 90% of the fighting (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_did_the_US_do_in_World_War_2) for the allies. So your military couldn't put up, with a bunch of Mexicans flooding the border like a tsunami. Your government too, would go broke. Cause many Mexicans get away with not doing their taxes or cheating on them.

[Neverender]

Ya you burned the white house down when America was still a new country. We have the strongest military power in the world, we would beat Canada's asses. When Syrians are by me, I worry about being blown up, not illegal immigrants. Who knows with middle eastern people, they'll blow up for any reason to kill innocent people. You wouldn't even be able to get to the white house too, we have a satellite system which can detect a missile all the way from the middle east and destroy it before it even gets to us. We have far more resources and America is worth far much more many then canada eh. All together America is worth an estimated $34 trillion or so. No way! Your military is building schools for girls! Great job, that mustve taken your elite army branch to do that, considering that's a huge project for you guys. Actually, our army is keeping the Taliban at bay. Their not scared of Canadians, they fear the US way more than the Canadian army. In world war 2, the USA did an estimated 90% of the fighting (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_did_the_US_do_in_World_War_2) for the allies

What's up with Americans and Killing? WHy do they glorify it so much? The work of a real soldier is to do good to the world, not terrorize entire nations. Fucking Aggressive Imperialists. Your $34 Trillion dollar net worth is soon to be matched that with a similar debt.

[StoppingTime]

This debate will never end, Like Austin said. Tacitus and Janx, you two need to learn and accept when you are wrong. Numerous times have I given data, proof, and statistics for my reasoning. And all you can say is "they steal jobs, don't pay taxes, get a free pass, etc..." even though I have proven, as others have as well, that this is just not true.
You may be as thick as you want, but eventually, you'll run into a situation where you will have to accept defeat, because of evidence.
This thread should have been over ago 15 pages ago.

[Cicero]

What's up with Americans and Killing? WHy do they glorify it so much? The work of a real soldier is to do good to the world, not terrorize entire nations. Fucking Aggressive Imperialists. Your $34 Trillion dollar net worth is soon to be matched that with a similar debt.

Get your facts right, why don't you? Our debt is a little more than $15 trillion. It's not even half way close. We don't glorify killing, when did I say we glorify it? I said we could protect ourselves against a little Canadian army, we have metal submarines while you have a wooden boat :D and middle eastern people you always have to be cautious of, who knows they might have a bomb strapped to them

This debate will never end, Like Austin said. Tacitus and Janx, you two need to learn and accept when you are wrong. Numerous times have I given data, proof, and statistics for my reasoning. And all you can say is "they steal jobs, don't pay taxes, get a free pass, etc..." even though I have proven, as others have as well, that this is just not true.
You may be as thick as you want, but eventually, you'll run into a situation where you will have to accept defeat, because of evidence.
This thread should have been over ago 15 pages ago.

your right, on this forum. If this was a conservative forum you would be wrong, but since this is a liberal forum your right.

[Neverender]

your right, on this forum. If this was a conservative forum you would be wrong, but since this is a liberal forum your right.

HAHA Yes If Common sense is "Liberal". We don't need Rush Limbaugh.

[ImCoolBeans]

This thread had just turned into nonsensical arguing, fighting, bashing and personal attacks. We've seen waaaaaaaaaay too much of this. Increase the peace bro :hippy: