How do we fix the U.S Economy?

[Silicate Wielder]

the question is exactly waht the title says,

I think we need to rebalance the inputs and outputs of money. once thats balanced properly, its a matter of keeping it balanced.

[Professional Russian]

WAR. War is he only Proven way to fix the economy.

[StoppingTime]

WAR. War is he only Proven way to fix the economy.

Yes, wasting billions on supplies, planes, helicopters, drones, naval ships, etc... and invade a foreign country that is minding its own business will definitely help us.

[Professional Russian]

Yes, wasting billions on supplies, planes, helicopters, drones, naval ships, etc... and invade a foreign country that is minding its own business will definitely help us.

He asked how to fix the economy. History tells us that wars fix economys. WWII fixxed the U.S.s economy. every war since though has made it worse. Look at WWII We increased gonvernment spending and got us out of the depression. Its simple if you look back on istory on how to fix things

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Yes, wasting billions on supplies, planes, helicopters, drones, naval ships, etc... and invade a foreign country that is minding its own business will definitely help us.

This. Wars only cause problems, cost money, and kill people. To fix the economy quickly we need to get out of debt without increasing taxes and without cutting spending, but that's not really possible. So cutting some spending and increasing taxes on the wealthiest will help us over a period of many many years. All in all, it will most likely take a long time unless countries all of the sudden decide to not make us pay our debts, which is very improbable.

[RoseyCadaver]

He asked how to fix the economy. History tells us that wars fix economys. WWII fixxed the U.S.s economy. every war since though has made it worse. Look at WWII We increased gonvernment spending and got us out of the depression. Its simple if you look back on istory on how to fix things

Yeah, because the War on Terrorism has helped us A LOT.

[Nihilus]

Stop All military spending. Bring our troops home. (note: this isn't the same as cutting defense spending). Secondly stop subsidizing companies and corporations that honestly don't need it or should have died long ago. Add more regulations and mediation of the banks. War, but war in terms of WWII can help, but not a war on terrorism. There is a waning of support and all the money goes to the companies that profit. Hell Universal Healthcare will help, since taxes are going to have to go up. Get the fucking stupid ass leaders out of office. They don't know shit and are making life harder for everyone. People need to start on long term profits, not the short term get rich fast method. This tends to disrupt the economy.

[Professional Russian]

Yeah, because the War on Terrorism has helped us A LOT.

Notice how in my first post i said all wars before Korea helped us. After Korea all the other wars have maintained or made our economy worse.

[double r]

I have to agree with PR, war does helps in a way because it creates jobs for people working in those plants to produce weapons and etc. Also the soldiers get paid, so in a way we have GDP growth.
But since WWII war has not helped,so to fix our economy presently it is expansive but yet needed.

[RoseyCadaver]

Notice how in my first post i said all wars before Korea helped us. After Korea all the other wars have maintained or made our economy worse.

History tells us that wars fix economys. WWII fixxed the U.S.s economy. every war since though has made it worse.

Uhhhhh....


And if a War could possibly make our economy worse, why risk it?

[Professional Russian]

Uhhhhh....


And if a War could possibly make our economy worse, why risk it?

Because they also helped in a way. The only reason the last few hasnt helped is because it hasnt been a major war with a draft so we dont need as many people makeing weapons, tanks, armor. as a big war like WWII which we needed a ton of people to make things

[Sugaree]

Calling it now: inb4 beplubber or someone else comes in saying "VOTE OUT OBAMA" or some other stupid conservative "argument".

[Professional Russian]

Calling it now: inb4 beplubber or someone else comes in saying "VOTE OUT OBAMA" or some other stupid conservative "argument".
He still never gave me a reason for calling me a stupid athiest

[Sugaree]

He still never gave me a reason for calling me a stupid athiest

That IS his reason though. He doesn't believe in giving straight enough answers to people who don't agree with him.

[Professional Russian]

That IS his reason though. He doesn't believe in giving straight enough answers to people who don't agree with him.

So he has no answer to why im a stupid athiest? wow. even i have reasons behind what i say...most of the time. They might not be good but they're there

[Noirtier]

Increase taxes on the rich, Decrease the amount government officials are paid, cut military offensive spending and focus instead on defense spending, Continue spending on alternative energy sources in order to lessen dependence on fossil fuel, etc. Not as hard as you think it is, the government just doesnt agree with each other enough to get anything done

[Jean Poutine]

Why bother ask us how to "fix the economy" when 95% of adults, myself included, wouldn't know a strong economy if it fucked us in the ass with a broom?

Increase taxes on the rich? Know what the rich do when you lessen their profit margin? They stash it away. Or get the fuck out, either/or, sometimes both at the same time.

Cut civil servant jobs and salaries? Nigga ain't heard of contracts, guarantees, unions and all that shebang. Want another Greece with all those riots? Be my guest...

My favorite is the OP. Balancing the fucking budget? well herp a derp fucking doo that's how one fixes an economy. Usually. Pay down public debt with surpluses, like my bro Chrétien did in Canada (what a genius). And _how_ do you do this?

Man why discuss the economy on VT when all we know is what's being force-fed to us by mass media and corporations? Kinda like asking a dyslexic person to spell "discombobulate".

[canadaski]

you don't

[Neptune]

War is not the answer. World War Two fixed the economy only because we didn't have the ships, planes, etc to fight the Germans and Japanese so we had to build them. That put a lot of people to work. After the war, the United States was pretty much the only country that hadn't been ravaged so businesses moved here and immigrants helped the economy by opening their own businesses. If the Nazis hadn't destroyed Europe, I think after the war, America would have been in the same position as before the war. The only reason we weren't is that because after the war, the American government kept a lot of workers so they could build stuff to help in the Cold War which is why I think the economy would had gone back to being bad if the Nazis hadn't destroyed Europe, the Americans wouldn't have had the chance to rise to be a superpower in the first place if England and France hadn't been so heavily damaged. Anyways, my point is that war isn't the answer. World War Two was a special case, not all wars help the economy as can be seen by the War on Terrorism.

Anyways, how to fix the current economy. Lower taxes on small businesses and don't increase taxes (but don't lower them either) on big corporations that employ a lot of people, like Walmart for example. If we lower taxes on small businesses, they will be able to use the money they save on taxes to hire locals. The same can be said for big corporations. This is just a short term fix, though. The government needs to invest a lot of more money into the education system. It's failing miserably. Principals can't fire teachers who suck at their jobs because the unions throw a holy fit. Allow principals to fire under-performing teachers and do away with standard tests, allow teachers to teach their students. They know what is best for their students. People in Washington DC or the state capital (Sacramento for me) do not. Smarter children = better future for America.

Regarding regular taxes on regular people, the rich need to pay more taxes. The very rich. People across the nation have different definitions of rich, though. For example, people in Oklahoma would say 130,000 a year is a lot of money but here in California, it's really not that much. It goes fast especially with the cost of living. So I say increase taxes on people who make over 500,000 dollars a year. I think we all can agree that 500K a year is a big salary. But also, there needs to be a major revamp of the welfare system. We need to figure out ways to root out people who just milk the system. Welfare was meant to help people who need help, not to help people who are just lazy.

[Sudds3]

He asked how to fix the economy. History tells us that wars fix economys. WWII fixxed the U.S.s economy. every war since though has made it worse. Look at WWII We increased gonvernment spending and got us out of the depression. Its simple if you look back on istory on how to fix things

It's proven that after wars we have economic highs. While during the war there are economic lows. I'm not too sure about the war itself fixing the economy though, but yo might be right! I just dont know a lot on this subject.

[Zephyr]

War is not the answer. World War Two fixed the economy only because we didn't have the ships, planes, etc to fight the Germans and Japanese so we had to build them. That put a lot of people to work. After the war, the United States was pretty much the only country that hadn't been ravaged so businesses moved here and immigrants helped the economy by opening their own businesses. If the Nazis hadn't destroyed Europe, I think after the war, America would have been in the same position as before the war. The only reason we weren't is that because after the war, the American government kept a lot of workers so they could build stuff to help in the Cold War which is why I think the economy would had gone back to being bad if the Nazis hadn't destroyed Europe, the Americans wouldn't have had the chance to rise to be a superpower in the first place if England and France hadn't been so heavily damaged. Anyways, my point is that war isn't the answer. World War Two was a special case, not all wars help the economy as can be seen by the War on Terrorism.

Anyways, how to fix the current economy. Lower taxes on small businesses and don't increase taxes (but don't lower them either) on big corporations that employ a lot of people, like Walmart for example. If we lower taxes on small businesses, they will be able to use the money they save on taxes to hire locals. The same can be said for big corporations. This is just a short term fix, though. The government needs to invest a lot of more money into the education system. It's failing miserably. Principals can't fire teachers who suck at their jobs because the unions throw a holy fit. Allow principals to fire under-performing teachers and do away with standard tests, allow teachers to teach their students. They know what is best for their students. People in Washington DC or the state capital (Sacramento for me) do not. Smarter children = better future for America.

Regarding regular taxes on regular people, the rich need to pay more taxes. The very rich. People across the nation have different definitions of rich, though. For example, people in Oklahoma would say 130,000 a year is a lot of money but here in California, it's really not that much. It goes fast especially with the cost of living. So I say increase taxes on people who make over 500,000 dollars a year. I think we all can agree that 500K a year is a big salary. But also, there needs to be a major revamp of the welfare system. We need to figure out ways to root out people who just milk the system. Welfare was meant to help people who need help, not to help people who are just lazy.

Words cannot express how correct this is, it's exactly what I was starting to type.

[Professional Russian]

But also, there needs to be a major revamp of the welfare system. We need to figure out ways to root out people who just milk the system. Welfare was meant to help people who need help, not to help people who are just lazy.

How long did it take you to figure out that people milked welfare? There shouldnt even be welfare. If you cant get your ass up and go work everyday why should you get paid to just sit there. Id love to get paid to just sit there and do nothing all day but i dont. Welfare should be eliminated because everyone knows how to beat the system now.

[Azunite]

WAR. War is he only Proven way to fix the economy.

I hope you get teabagged after being conscripted into the US army when war breaks out and things don't go well.

[Amaryllis]

By working and buying. That's how companies get their money to expand and afford to hire more people. That also influences the government. Also, monitoring bank loans. Not simply loaning and investing in houses or whatever. During a boom, people often invest their money in things they believe they can pay back but cannot. Bubble bursts and stuff. People stop buying it, people can't afford to pay it back, banks can't sell it off, banks crash blablabla.

But really. Working and buying.

[Professional Russian]

I hope you get teabagged after being conscripted into the US army when war breaks out and things don't go well.

Why do you have a problem with everything i say or i want to do? Your always bitching about. get over it just because you dont agree with it doesnt mean you have make fun of it all fucking day

[Azunite]

Why do you have a problem with everything i say or i want to do? Your always bitching about. get over it just because you dont agree with it doesnt mean you have make fun of it all fucking day

You're*

Oh and let me explain myself in a way which you would understand much better: You also probably agree on this law: "The strong exists by crushing the weak" or "In order to live on you have to crush the weak" etc, I believe you agree on these because most of your opinions are right-winged and rely on fascism.

What I say is: "My stronger opinions live on by crushing and mocking your weak opinions"

But of course I mean no insulting or bashing; I am just debating here and expressing myself based on psychological and political terms.

[Professional Russian]

You're*

Oh and let me explain myself in a way which you would understand much better: You also probably agree on this law: "The strong exists by crushing the weak" or "In order to live on you have to crush the weak" etc, I believe you agree on these because most of your opinions are right-winged and rely on fascism.

What I say is: "My stronger opinions live on by crushing and mocking your weak opinions"

But of course I mean no insulting or bashing; I am just debating here and expressing myself based on psychological and political terms.

I dont mind the part where you guys bash my political views Ted Nugent for Pres. and my opinion on guns and stuff but when it comes to what i want to do for some of my life and that most of my family were in the military so i have problem with it.

[Azunite]

I dont mind the part where you guys bash my political views Ted Nugent for Pres. and my opinion on guns and stuff but when it comes to what i want to do for some of my life and that most of my family were in the military so i have problem with it.

I also come from a military family. Great-Grandfather contributed the Turkish War of Independence as the secondary supreme commander in chief, my grandfather was also a high-ranking general in the Armed Forces.

A part of me is Machiavellist, another part of me is Marxsist and yet another part of me is hardcore militarist. I also support a strong military, but the reason why I want a superior military force is different than yours.

See we have a lot in common but our opinions are not the same.

[Professional Russian]

I also come from a military family. Great-Grandfather contributed the Turkish War of Independence as the secondary supreme commander in chief, my grandfather was also a high-ranking general in the Armed Forces.

A part of me is Machiavellist, another part of me is Marxsist and yet another part of me is hardcore militarist. I also support a strong military, but the reason why I want a superior military force is different than yours.

See we have a lot in common but our opinions are not the same.

I tell you why i want a big strong military. I want a big strong military because when and if we get attack we can kick ass and get over with. In the event of major disaster the military helps alot(Im talking Floods tornados ETC.) If we just had a small military we woulldnt be able to do anything major if we go attacked or a huge natural disaster we wouldnt be able to do much

[Neptune]

How long did it take you to figure out that people milked welfare? There shouldnt even be welfare. If you cant get your ass up and go work everyday why should you get paid to just sit there. Id love to get paid to just sit there and do nothing all day but i dont. Welfare should be eliminated because everyone knows how to beat the system now.


I've always known that people milk it. However, I also know that some people really need help and have nowhere else to turn. Welfare should have a limit, say one year on it, max. People need to go out and look for a job.

[Mob Boss]

Cut unnecessary spending and bring more jobs to the US.....probably vague, but just my opinion...

[Professional Russian]

It's proven that after wars we have economic highs. While during the war there are economic lows. I'm not too sure about the war itself fixing the economy though, but yo might be right! I just dont know a lot on this subject.

If theres economic lows during wars that means at the end of this war the economy should be better?right?

[Harlequin]

how to fix the economy? well my first guess would be to stabilize and create balance as has been said. Then this is where i get radical. >:)

K.
First off you pull back our boys and girls in uniform and give them a new job as CB'S. sorry you were a radiomen? well now you have a job as radioman moral booster first class! aka dj! so while your pumping out dem beats we go to the other grunts...the kind that cannot do a fobbits job.

so you get these neanderthals who are all
"ho ah" and give them some bricks and mortar, and you get them to start building.

building what you ask? walls my friend. great big walls to put china to shame! where? first off, southern areas. second, seawalls, we all know the water is going to rise! (ya know greenhouse gasses bs?) then you build bulwurks and mounted guns to prevent illegals, and water stuff from flooding cities!

2nd point. mexico is not the biggest threat in illegal immigration, it is the orient that we should worry about.

so you say?

well we have our uniform guys here who are used to banging in doors so we send them to check out our cargo stuff and excort those who arrived in them back to whence they came!

so what does this plan do?

secure borders (big walls everywhere and port security)
keep librals happy (bring our troops back whine whine!)
build up a work force for factories! (hey we have a low labor pool, we can't ship,recive things! oh wait now we can!)
and lastly,


we use the surplus think tank to build us a way out of the celestial cradle.






oh p.s.


we used to be the bread basket of the world...if we move people out of the midwest and once again use it for produce, those handy seawalls will allow population in the city to grow outwords as the farmers work in the middle.






in fifteen years the economy will be dominated by the US and after than we will go on to the rest of the planets!!

trust me it will work.

[Thunderstorm]

We learn from history, and how people lived in eras like the early 20s (before the depression) and the Baby Boom age. They prospered. Ask the people who lived then and what will they say? Let's put the American people back on what they NEED, not what they WANT! Bush WANTED war, he got war. the war cost us money AND people. Obama is NOT the cause of our bad economy....Bush is...Obama inherited the economy. It is very hard to inherit an economy and know what you're going to do with it and how. He tried. If Romney gets elected, he won't be any better, probably worse!

[Harlequin]

"...Obama inherited the economy. It is very hard to inherit an economy and know what you're going to do with it and how. He tried. If Romney gets elected, he won't be any better, probably worse!.."

I shall debate this.

You make a valid point with us blaming Obama with the economy even though, as you said, He inherited the economy. I will give you that.

Where i defer is with the bias against Romney. I do believe that as business man who built himself up, I think for the next tenure as president Romney might be the best choice.

I read an article against him the other day, about how when Romney visited a car manufacturing plant and was dressed nice, including an ascot. The author of the article was inflamed that Romney would wear "...such a blatant peice of white collar clothing to a blue collar factory."

I laugh at the author and respond "Sir, you obviously have never heard of having a little class"

So. as a business man who knows how to work el dinero, Romney is not half bad as a candidate. Whereas the Obama administration has not used it's time, nor its money quite as efficiently as they could have. ( coughcough bank bailouts coughcough)

[Thunderstorm]

I shall debate this.

You make a valid point with us blaming Obama with the economy even though, as you said, He inherited the economy. I will give you that.

Where i defer is with the bias against Romney. I do believe that as business man who built himself up, I think for the next tenure as president Romney might be the best choice.

I read an article against him the other day, about how when Romney visited a car manufacturing plant and was dressed nice, including an ascot. The author of the article was inflamed that Romney would wear "...such a blatant peice of white collar clothing to a blue collar factory."

I laugh at the author and respond "Sir, you obviously have never heard of having a little class"

So. as a business man who knows how to work el dinero, Romney is not half bad as a candidate. Whereas the Obama administration has not used it's time, nor its money quite as efficiently as they could have. ( coughcough bank bailouts coughcough)

Yeah, but your argument still is a little invalid, as class does not do much for a president, at least it's not what we should be basing them on. It's a close race. I just think people aren't giving Obama a fair chance. They're basing it all on the sinking economy and not on what he did as a whole. He did enough to be re-elected.

[Neptune]

We learn from history, and how people lived in eras like the early 20s (before the depression) and the Baby Boom age. They prospered. Ask the people who lived then and what will they say? Let's put the American people back on what they NEED, not what they WANT! Bush WANTED war, he got war. the war cost us money AND people. Obama is NOT the cause of our bad economy....Bush is...Obama inherited the economy. It is very hard to inherit an economy and know what you're going to do with it and how. He tried. If Romney gets elected, he won't be any better, probably worse!

I just wanna say that Bush isn't the only President in history to want war. It could be argued that FDR wanted war, too. He was itching for a reason to get involved in World War Two.

[Skyhawk]

How long did it take you to figure out that people milked welfare? There shouldnt even be welfare. If you cant get your ass up and go work everyday why should you get paid to just sit there. Id love to get paid to just sit there and do nothing all day but i dont. Welfare should be eliminated because everyone knows how to beat the system now.

What if you lose your job due to a health issue (illegal but it still happens)? What if you can't get another one because nobody wants to hire you? What if there's no work?

Oh look, all of the above happened to my mother over the past two years.
Fortunately for you, there isn't really welfare where I live, unless you count $20 a week for unemployment with good reason welfare.

Yes, people do milk it but that's no reason to eradicate the welfare system. The welfare system needs to be adjusted so the welfare moms with 8 kids don't get all of the money and the lonely cancer patients aren't told their income of 0 is too high.

Do a little more research next time, because that was almost offensive.

[Amaryllis]

WAR AND THE ECONOMY - @ProfessionalRussion

3 ways to fund war:

a) Increase debt
b) Increase taxes
c) Decrease money spent in other areas

a.k.a. make everyone poorer.

Increasing debt = Decreasing spending + Increasing taxes
Increasing taxes = Less spending = Less money for companies = Less jobs = Less money
Decreasing spending in other areas = Less money for said areas and people = Weaker economy

The military will either demand for your shoes or steal your shoes and assuming the war is a success and they manage to conquer all the oil from another nation, more problems arise:

a) Other nations will hate your guts
b) Your people will hate your guts
c) You probably won't succeed, anyway

New technologies may arise but they're generally not required when picking on countries weaker and smaller than you. Whilst you may send your soldiers to fight against stronger nations, it would mean a decrease in the workforce and a pretty damn big body count. So no, war is not a very sound idea.

[Azunite]

I tell you why i want a big strong military. I want a big strong military because when and if we get attack we can kick ass and get over with. In the event of major disaster the military helps alot(Im talking Floods tornados ETC.) If we just had a small military we woulldnt be able to do anything major if we go attacked or a huge natural disaster we wouldnt be able to do much


This is completely out of thread but let me tell you why I want a strong military:

It's about prestige. Strong military means your country will look stronger. I believe that there are two kinds of powers: Potential and Known. Potential power is simply your potential power, and known power is simply how people see you. That means if you are stronger inside ( meaning potential ) but people think you are weak, then you are only 50% strong. Strong military means your "known" power will also increase.

I think it is my major aim to increase the global prestige and power in the global theater of a county/nation.

Back to thread: Only reason why WW2 fixed or helpedthe US economy is because the US was the one and the only country who didn't experience an invasion/land battle/national defense.
And this, I believe, should simply end the discussion.

[Professional Russian]

What if you lose your job due to a health issue (illegal but it still happens)? What if you can't get another one because nobody wants to hire you? What if there's no work?

Oh look, all of the above happened to my mother over the past two years.
Fortunately for you, there isn't really welfare where I live, unless you count $20 a week for unemployment with good reason welfare.

Yes, people do milk it but that's no reason to eradicate the welfare system. The welfare system needs to be adjusted so the welfare moms with 8 kids don't get all of the money and the lonely cancer patients aren't told their income of 0 is too high.

Do a little more research next time, because that was almost offensive.

Thats Why they made thing called workers comp. orsocial security if your old enough. What really pisses me off about this my dad has a pace maker because he has a heart prolem but he still goes to work everyday 1(because he'll go insane just sitting thereand 2(because the government wont pay enough to keep up his family(By that i mean his aunt,that acted as his mother because she had him most of his life, Me and my mom