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Breath-of-air
June 8th, 2012, 07:24 PM
This is something I have heard about a lot recently and I decided to do a report on it but yeah, What do you think about it, when a girl has sexual relations with her sister?

Also do you think that it is more okay for twins to do it? or more likely?

-Thank ya. ;p

Akasuki
June 8th, 2012, 07:47 PM
This is a tough one for me.

I guess I have no place to judge since I'm lesbian myself and it pisses me off because I'm not allowed to marry my girl in most states.
I think it's weird, naturally because it's foreign to me. It's taboo, but so is same sex couples. I think it's okay as long as the girl doesn't get pregnant by someone related to her because... well, that would lead to um, problems with development of the child.

I have the same opinion with twins, and no, I don't think it's more likely.

Tiggz
June 8th, 2012, 11:23 PM
im not really sure ive laways seen incest as wrong but on the flip side im a firm beliver on you love who you loveso its kinda hard for me to answer and as far as the twin thing goes i dnt think it would be commom seeing as (from my experience) that most twins have different personalitys almost opposite so maybe it wouldnt work out

Harley Quinn
June 9th, 2012, 12:47 PM
This is something I have heard about a lot recently and I decided to do a report on it but yeah, What do you think about it, when a girl has sexual relations with her sister?

Also do you think that it is more okay for twins to do it? or more likely?

-Thank ya. ;p

Incest is wrong on so many levels, I don't care if you want to experiment, you don't do it with someone you're related to. I think that even if you're twins, yes you're naturally close, but that doesn't mean that you should have sexual relations with each other. Think about having a baby with your dad, it's pretty much the same thing - wrong. I know that in some places, it's natural and okay, but in my mind I don't think that it should be as acceptable as it at the moment.

ImCoolBeans
June 9th, 2012, 01:00 PM
I see incest as morally wrong, ethically wrong and just flat out disgusting. I could not bring myself to even contemplate a sexual relationship with any of my relatives, close or distant, it's just the fact that we're related. As Siobhan said, think about having a baby with your dad, it just seems so wrong (at least I think it does), and when I think of somebody having sexual relations with a brother or sister I think it's just as wrong.

Lights
June 9th, 2012, 02:49 PM
Well, above all, in most places incest is illegal and punishable by a prison sentence. In some places like the United Kingdom, it's punishable by up to 2 years in prison, but in some places like Canada, it's punishable by up to 14 years.

Every case of incest will be different, but in a way I feel it's harsh to judge it as a whole. I believe it is wrong for an adult to engage with a child, or for a significantly older sibling to engage with a younger one (perhaps one sibling being over 18, and the other being under). However, although I'm not condoning it, I am not as opposed to siblings within the same sort of age range engaging sexually if they've both consented. In the end, who are we to judge where love comes from? Imagine if it was you who was sexually attracted to your sibling or whatever. It's not as if you could help it or as if you chose to have feelings for them. Even if you think incest is morally wrong in every possible scenario, or you think it's 'just flat out disgusting' as was said above, you'll never be a balanced, open minded person if you can't see things from other people's perspectives.You don't have to condone something like this in order to empathise with and be understanding of it.

Disregarding all the obvious cases of incest (between adults and children) which are undoubtedly wrong, the main concern I see with incest between siblings is when a girl becomes pregnant as a result of it. The newborn child is naturally weaker and far more prone to deformities and disease because technically speaking you need two different gene pools to create a healthy baby. Moral dilemmas are also raised when your mother and father are siblings. I am not going to talk much about STIs because they are a risk in any type of sexual activity, and no more so in incest activities, from what I know.

So, it's a tricky subject, but in most cases incest is wrong because of moral issues and/or because of problems relating to conception. A more interesting question than just asking what people think of incest is to ask whether people think it is right for it to be illegal or not. Not everything that is illegal should be illegal necessarily, like gay marriage for instance.

Jupiter
June 9th, 2012, 02:50 PM
I actually disagree.

Love is love, and if you think that you are HONESTLY in love with someone that you are related to, go ahead and get married. But, I do have to say that I find it gross. I don't necessarily find the love gross, but the sexual acts of incest.

ImCoolBeans
June 9th, 2012, 03:03 PM
Teen Sexuality :arrow: ROTW
This is heading down the path to become a debate.

Every case of incest will be different, but in a way I feel it's harsh to judge it as a whole. I believe it is wrong for an adult to engage with a child, or for a significantly older sibling to engage with a younger one (perhaps one sibling being over 18, and the other being under). However, although I'm not condoning it, I am not as opposed to siblings within the same sort of age range engaging sexually if they've both consented. In the end, who are we to judge where love comes from? Imagine if it was you who was sexually attracted to your sibling or whatever. It's not as if you could help it or as if you chose to have feelings for them. Even if you think incest is morally wrong in every possible scenario, or you think it's 'just flat out disgusting' as was said above, you'll never be a balanced, open minded person if you can't see things from other people's perspectives.You don't have to condone something like this in order to empathise with and be understanding of it.

See but I can use this logic to say that if I think rape, murder, kidnapping and domestic violence is okay and I think it's justifiable, then it should be seen from both points of view. If I were to do that would you agree?

I also don't think anybody can call themselves truly open minded. Sure there is openness to experience, but I doubt you can call yourself open minded about everything. Being slightly closed minded about a certain subject doesn't necessarily make you an unbalanced person.

DigBick
June 9th, 2012, 03:12 PM
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Jupiter
June 9th, 2012, 03:14 PM
I only have one comment, and it's on the twin subject.
If there are identical twins who are both the same sex and both homosexual, if they have sexual relations could that not be called masturbation?

....................no

Because they are two different people. Just because they look like each other does not mean that if they fuck that it doesn't mean anything.

Harley Quinn
June 9th, 2012, 03:22 PM
I only have one comment, and it's on the twin subject.
If there are identical twins who are both the same sex and both homosexual, if they have sexual relations could that not be called masturbation?

It could be viewed like that. Should it? No. Just because they share the same genetic make up, and they both happen to be homosexual (which is unlikely, just because they're 100% identical doesn't mean they both will be - I learnt this is psychology. The concordance rate is very minimal) it wouldn't be masturbation, it would be a sexual act that takes place between anyone. Even if I was to say that it's masturbation, it doesn't make it right and it never will be.


The whole love is love argument that everyone seems to be stating is flawed, it's like if you said you're in love with your granddad and you plan on starting a family together, I don't see how incest is "love" no matter what you're feelings are towards each other. Blood relatives shouldn't be having that type of contact, sure they have the feelings but to act on it would be wrong.

Lights
June 9th, 2012, 04:57 PM
See but I can use this logic to say that if I think rape, murder, kidnapping and domestic violence is okay and I think it's justifiable, then it should be seen from both points of view. If I were to do that would you agree?


I'm not saying to condone any of these things, though, so yes, I would agree. I would agree on the basis that you have to try and understand how someone is feeling and what motivates them to do something. All those actions you mentioned above are wrong, generally speaking, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't see it from the offender's side. A black man kills a white man because the white man because the white man racially insulted him and his family. It was wrong of the black man to do this and what he did should not be condoned, but you can at least understand his motivation to do what he did. Using the same logic, you might not feel that two siblings sharing love is something to condone, but you can at least understand why they are in a relationship: because they clearly have feelings for one another. Do you think that's acceptable? Maybe not, but you don't have to agree with something to understand the motive behind it. Love is love, it's not a flawed argument - it's a matter of fact. You can't control who you have feelings for. It's not always right to act on those feelings, but it doesn't dispute the fact that they do exist.

Sudds3
June 9th, 2012, 08:40 PM
Either way I think it's wrong, but I do believe that twins are more likely to have incestuous relations! Simply because they grow up together and know each other well, have the same feelings because they could be at the same or close to the same place in puberty! They just want to know how they compare to their twin. I know that if I had a twin, I would probably want to compare myself to them if they were a guy, but I do think that incest is wrong....but we all don't always do the right thing?

Mortal Coil
June 9th, 2012, 10:18 PM
I think that incest is morally wrong. I try to be open-minded but really, it's gross. Also, identical twins being the ones to commit incest is even worse.

Korashk
June 10th, 2012, 12:43 AM
Why is it wrong? Not a single person has even tried to justify their position. If you look at it objectively, the only way it could at all even be arguably wrong, de facto, from a moral standpoint is on the subject of children because incestuous breeding has a higher rate of producing children with birth defects.

However, that's not a justification most people like to apply across the board. A person who says that it's morally wrong for cousins to breed probably doesn't think it's morally wrong for people over 40 to breed, even if the chance for birth defects is almost the same.

People look at it with only an emotional lens and condemn it without any other thought.

DerBear
June 12th, 2012, 02:16 PM
I actually disagree.

Love is love, and if you think that you are HONESTLY in love with someone that you are related to, go ahead and get married. But, I do have to say that I find it gross. I don't necessarily find the love gross, but the sexual acts of incest.

See it is flat out wrong to me. I mean either way, it is wrong.

Love is a poor excuse in this one. Love is a diffident sensation to us all. Therefore is harder for us judge if love is an except-able excuse for incest. Therefore I will go with the negative option. Incest is flat out wrong.

Korashk
June 12th, 2012, 03:48 PM
See it is flat out wrong to me. I mean either way, it is wrong.

Love is a poor excuse in this one. Love is a diffident sensation to us all. Therefore is harder for us judge if love is an except-able excuse for incest. Therefore I will go with the negative option. Incest is flat out wrong.
Why is incest wrong? After you assert a claim, you have to justify it. All you're doing now is begging the question by using your belief that incest is wrong to try and show that it is.

DerBear
June 13th, 2012, 12:15 AM
Why is incest wrong? After you assert a claim, you have to justify it. All you're doing now is begging the question by using your belief that incest is wrong to try and show that it is.

Incest is wrong because it is socially unacceptable and generally wrong in most societies and religions. Therefore it is obvious to most people it is wrong.

Like most people I just feel it is not acceptable and sick and wrong.

Not much more to it. Love is a poor excuse.

Lights
June 13th, 2012, 03:01 AM
Incest is wrong because it is socially unacceptable and generally wrong in most societies and religions. Therefore it is obvious to most people it is wrong.

Appealing to popularity and appealing to tradition are major fallacies in an argument. What I mean by that is you're deeming your opinion to be correct because most people believe the same as you (popularity) and because it correlates with the tradition of today in many societies and religions which is that incest 'is socially unacceptable and generally wrong'. Just because incest has been considered taboo and socially unacceptable in the past up until this present day in most societies and religions, that doesn't necessarily make it right. Nor does it make it right to say that incest is wrong because most people believe that to be the case. To give a more justifiable argument, you have to leave religion, social standards and what the majority of people believe out of it because there's nothing to say that how incest has always been considered has ever been entirely fair.

Bath
June 13th, 2012, 11:43 AM
I would never practice incest, but if there's a situation that involves two consenting adults and they're happy, fine by me.

Magus
June 13th, 2012, 12:00 PM
I don't have any problem. So as long safety measures are taken, then it's fine.

I think that even if you're twins, yes you're naturally close, but that doesn't mean that you should have sexual relations with each other.
Fetish.

DerBear
June 13th, 2012, 01:40 PM
Appealing to popularity and appealing to tradition are major fallacies in an argument. What I mean by that is you're deeming your opinion to be correct because most people believe the same as you (popularity) and because it correlates with the tradition of today in many societies and religions which is that incest 'is socially unacceptable and generally wrong'. Just because incest has been considered taboo and socially unacceptable in the past up until this present day in most societies and religions, that doesn't necessarily make it right. Nor does it make it right to say that incest is wrong because most people believe that to be the case. To give a more justifiable argument, you have to leave religion, social standards and what the majority of people believe out of it because there's nothing to say that how incest has always been considered has ever been entirely fair.

WITHOUT taking into account society, religion and whatever hell else gives my opinions any factor.

I still believe it is wrong. People who even experiment at a young with siblings is wrong.

I think it is rather sickening in most ways and therefore disagree with incest and all those who participate in incestual acts.

kenoloor
June 13th, 2012, 02:37 PM
WITHOUT taking into account society, religion and whatever hell else gives my opinions any factor.

I still believe it is wrong. People who even experiment at a young with siblings is wrong.

I think it is rather sickening in most ways and therefore disagree with incest and all those who participate in incestual acts.

You still have yet to rationally justify your claim.

DerBear
June 14th, 2012, 01:48 AM
You still have yet to rationally justify your claim.

This is one of these debates where it comes down to your own morals and what you personally think. I have said I disagree with it and think it is a rather disgusting act.

I don't know exactly how I would rationally justify my claim other than my own personal opinion. As this one of the debates that comes down solely to your own morals.

Sonic Boom
June 14th, 2012, 02:15 AM
Attraction/fetish is not a choice. So unless they start bringing children into this world (that would be unfair on the kids for obvious reasons), I dont see a problem.

RoseyCadaver
June 14th, 2012, 04:57 PM
Incest is wrong because it is socially unacceptable and generally wrong in most societies and religions. Therefore it is obvious to most people it is wrong.

Like most people I just feel it is not acceptable and sick and wrong.

Not much more to it. Love is a poor excuse.

Just like many societies find homosexuality, cross dressing, and polyamory wrong.

How is love a poor excuse? Personally I could NEVER in my life time see myself with any of my relatives, but that shouldn't stop anyone else if they want to get jiggy with their family.Seeing as many people find my love of the same sex and opposite sex at the same time wrong, I could possibly understand what someone from an incestual point of view could have.

People also find my love of wanting to cross dress, identify myself as a third gender, and be a female and androgynous performer wrong. You can think lots of things are wrong, but who's to say if they are?

Nihilus
June 14th, 2012, 05:11 PM
Biologically and morally wrong. People with similar immune systems (family) are meant to smell bad to you, and thus should prevent it, but not always. Why the $%#& would anyone want to do something to their siblings...? It is disgusting.

DerBear
June 15th, 2012, 01:19 AM
Just like many societies find homosexuality, cross dressing, and polyamory wrong.

How is love a poor excuse? Personally I could NEVER in my life time see myself with any of my relatives, but that shouldn't stop anyone else if they want to get jiggy with their family.Seeing as many people find my love of the same sex and opposite sex at the same time wrong, I could possibly understand what someone from an incestual point of view could have.

People also find my love of wanting to cross dress, identify myself as a third gender, and be a female and androgynous performer wrong. You can think lots of things are wrong, but who's to say if they are?

All I am saying is I find it personally wrong. Love in this case, with incest is wrong. Homosexuality and cross dressing and whatever else like that I am fine with two men want to be together, fine. Don't care. Someone wants to dress up as a female, go ahead. Homosexuality and cross dressing I am fine with. No issues.

However, I do find it wrong for two individuals who are family to fornicate.
It is just wrong in my personal opinion. It is kind of the point of it being illegal. Because it is deemed immoral and wrong.

I don't see why people are making a big deal out of what I am saying. I just find this one thing wrong.

Smeagol
June 15th, 2012, 06:12 AM
I have decided to add my opinion too...

First of all, sex is originally intended for procreation. It doesn't matter if they actually have a kid or not, that's what its for. Since people shouldn't, for health reasons, be incestuous and have kids, why should they have sex without children. Even though they don't have kids, my personal belief is that is what sex symbolizes (the bringing forth of children into this world, etc.)

Also, this relationship between family members, especially when they are younger, can be something to 'drag out the dirty laundry' later on. Friends come and go, but family always sticks around, for the most part.

What I believe is even worse is a relationship of this nature between a parent or older relative, aunts, uncles, grandparents, and a younger person. It's worse when the person involved is under the age of consent, but even over it, you have to wonder what the adult was thinking. This can damage the family relationship, even if they do not bear children.

I don't know, I haven't given thought to this much, being asexual and never thinking about sex... :P

kenoloor
June 19th, 2012, 06:19 PM
This is one of these debates where it comes down to your own morals and what you personally think. I have said I disagree with it and think it is a rather disgusting act.

I don't know exactly how I would rationally justify my claim other than my own personal opinion. As this one of the debates that comes down solely to your own morals.

If you can't rationally justify a point a view you have or provide any sort of vindication for it, then it's probably stupid. If you're going to have an opinion, at least be intelligent enough to have a legitimate reason why rather than " because." This isn't 3rd grade.

OregonStateDude
June 19th, 2012, 07:24 PM
I think it's wrong. Even though I think my brother is kind of cute, I can't imagine ever having any type of sex with him.

kenoloor
June 20th, 2012, 02:32 AM
I didn't see this post before. Oh goodie.

All I am saying is I find it personally wrong. Love in this case, with incest is wrong. Homosexuality and cross dressing and whatever else like that I am fine with two men want to be together, fine. Don't care. Someone wants to dress up as a female, go ahead. Homosexuality and cross dressing I am fine with. No issues.

However, I do find it wrong for two individuals who are family to fornicate.
It is just wrong in my personal opinion. It is kind of the point of it being illegal. Because it is deemed immoral and wrong.

I don't see why people are making a big deal out of what I am saying. I just find this one thing wrong.

You don't have a problem with gay people? Well I do. But that's just because I find homosexuality to be immoral. It's the same reason I am against interracial marriage, shaving, wearing pencil skirts, and free black people. All of that is just immoral, but that's just my opinions and morals so I don't need a good reason for being a complete moron.

It is kind of the point of it being illegal. Because it is deemed immoral and wrong.

In case you were unaware, sodomy was illegal in fourteen states until 2003. Before 1962, sodomy was a felony in all 50 states. (source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States)) So that must mean that sodomy is bad, right? At least it was until 2003 anyway. Because if something is illegal, it must be bad. Like same-sex marriage and marijuana.

Your argument sucks.