Topless Girls

[JessDaly]

I dont understand why in society it is acceptable for a man to be topless in public, but it is wrong for a girl to do it. That seems like a huge double standard to me. Does anyone know why girls aren't allowed to be topless like guys are?

[Stryker125]

Well in the state of New York it's perfectly legal to be topless...

[JessDaly]

Wow, one state...Great...And why cant we do it online? Like we can't do it on this site or facebook. Even if its not sexual.

[Mortal Coil]

Breasts are a reproductive organ for females. They play a role in reproducing successfully as a species. In males, they serve no such function. It's not a double standard, it's keeping with the same cultural taboo associated with sex organs. If men suckled babies with their tits, people probably wouldn't let them go topless either.

[Electra Heart]

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I feel like this might turn into some kind of debate so, I'm just going to move it here.

As for your argument, I agree with Alex, plus female breasts can cause as a great distraction whereas male breasts don't cause quite the hormonal response.

[Ryhanna]

Breasts are a reproductive organ for females. They play a role in reproducing successfully as a species. In males, they serve no such function. It's not a double standard, it's keeping with the same cultural taboo associated with sex organs. If men suckled babies with their tits, people probably wouldn't let them go topless either.

Yup. Boobs are commonly thought of as a sexual organ, so society tells us that they should be covered. The male chest isn't considered a sexual organ by most standards, so we're allowed to walk around bare-chested.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Breasts are a reproductive organ for females. They play a role in reproducing successfully as a species. In males, they serve no such function. It's not a double standard, it's keeping with the same cultural taboo associated with sex organs. If men suckled babies with their tits, people probably wouldn't let them go topless either.

Yeah, that pretty much hits the nail right on the head.

[Mortal Coil]

female breasts can cause as a great distraction

I'm sorry, but I had to say that this is hilarious as well as a valid point. Can you imagine the number of auto accidents that would happen? lol...

[Genghis Khan]

Ugh, I just wanna see boobies man.

[Korashk]

It's slowly becoming legal for women to walk around topless. Which I think is a good thing, the laws shouldn't have double standards and decency laws serve no purpose other than to oppress people.

[Angel Androgynous]

I don't see why breastfeeding should cause breasts to become some private, secret, and taboo thing... Especially since male and female breasts are made out of the same tissue... female breasts just have a bigger mass. It's really not that different. It's like disallowing guys to wear skinny jeans just because you could kind of see their balls. It's not fair and stupid. (Except guys can wear skinny jeans all the fuck they want) Also if eventually boobs-out become a norm, then maybe people won't make such a big deal? I dunno if it's a hot day I kind of don't want to be constricted to a tank top while a bunch of sweaty dudes get to walk around topless in boxer shorts with their dicks flopping around in there. :P

[Dimitri]

I dont understand why in society it is acceptable for a man to be topless in public, but it is wrong for a girl to do it. That seems like a huge double standard to me. Does anyone know why girls aren't allowed to be topless like guys are?

Life is full of double standards...you might as well get used to it...

Why is it that two girls can go and see a movie together but if two guys go...yeah, I would love to have gone to see a movie with one of my buds but I hated the looks I got.

If you are a guy, who is musical, good at acting then you will be loved among the music society...

Double standards are everywhere and you know what, life ISNT fair, you might as well get over your idea that it can be.

[Clawhammer]

Because life sucks. Move to San Francisco, it's legal there.

[Genghis Khan]

Double standards are everywhere and you know what, life ISNT fair, you might as well get over your idea that it can be.

Wow let's just forget about criticising, changing society for the better and trying to make people think rationally because apparently we've already decided that there's no point in even trying.

[JessDaly]

Breasts are a reproductive organ for females. They play a role in reproducing successfully as a species. In males, they serve no such function. It's not a double standard, it's keeping with the same cultural taboo associated with sex organs. If men suckled babies with their tits, people probably wouldn't let them go topless either.

Breasts are not a reproductive organ...

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I feel like this might turn into some kind of debate so, I'm just going to move it here.

As for your argument, I agree with Alex, plus female breasts can cause as a great distraction whereas male breasts don't cause quite the hormonal response.

In what way is that a good reason for it to be illegal. Plus if it were legal, it would become normal and less of a distraction

Double post merged ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

[Smeagol]

Breasts are not a reproductive organ...

Well, their purpose is still for reproduction, to feed babies after they're born...

[Ryhanna]

Breasts are not a reproductive organ...
Technically, they are. Breasts aren't just there to look nice, they're used as a food source for babies.

Personally, I wouldn't care if women wanted to walk around shirtless. It's just societies stance on it.

[ImCoolBeans]

Breasts are not a reproductive organ...



In what way is that a good reason for it to be illegal. Plus if it were legal, it would become normal and less of a distraction

Double post merged ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

Breasts are a reproductive organ, they are used to feed babies and in fact are a part of the reproductive system.

Lets say I wanted to walk around the mall with my reproductive organs hanging out, do you think I would get any sympathy at all? Do you think people would say "it's only fair"? No, they would not.

Your argument is basically that it's not fair that guys can go shirtless but girls can't, but this argument can be totally flipped around, what if I wanted to wear some super short shorts and a g-string thong? I would get torn to shreds and singled out in a totally negative way, very similar to how you're describing girls being treated "unfairly" for not being able to go topless.

Society is not going to conform to this. It has never and I can confidently say it will never accept females walking around topless, not to mention that it is public indecency and you would be arrested very quickly.

Sorry to say it, but it's a horribly supported argument on your side, and that's the truth.

[Fruity Drink]

Because being topless would expose "private parts" for girls. It's socially unacceptable for guys to walk around with their penis hanging out, and I don't see why it would be acceptable for girls to walk around with their breasts hanging out.

Don't get my wrong, I love boobies... but I can't imagine it being acceptable for girls to do it. Everyone would be desensitized to breasts, and everyone would lose interest.

[Angel Androgynous]

Because being topless would expose "private parts" for girls. It's socially unacceptable for guys to walk around with their penis hanging out, and I don't see why it would be acceptable for girls to walk around with their breasts hanging out.

Don't get my wrong, I love boobies... but I can't imagine it being acceptable for girls to do it. Everyone would be desensitized to breasts, and everyone would lose interest.

1. A penis is not equivalent to boobs
2. So what?

[JessDaly]

Breasts are a reproductive organ, they are used to feed babies and in fact are a part of the reproductive system.

Lets say I wanted to walk around the mall with my reproductive organs hanging out, do you think I would get any sympathy at all? Do you think people would say "it's only fair"? No, they would not.

Your argument is basically that it's not fair that guys can go shirtless but girls can't, but this argument can be totally flipped around, what if I wanted to wear some super short shorts and a g-string thong? I would get torn to shreds and singled out in a totally negative way, very similar to how you're describing girls being treated "unfairly" for not being able to go topless.

Society is not going to conform to this. It has never and I can confidently say it will never accept females walking around topless, not to mention that it is public indecency and you would be arrested very quickly.

Sorry to say it, but it's a horribly supported argument on your side, and that's the truth.

But the difference there is that you are ALLOWED to wear short shorts. If you wanted to, you could. If I wanted to go topless I wouldn't be allowed to. Its not like I would just be made fun of for it. Its different.

[Angel Androgynous]

Breasts are a reproductive organ, they are used to feed babies and in fact are a part of the reproductive system.

Lets say I wanted to walk around the mall with my reproductive organs hanging out, do you think I would get any sympathy at all? Do you think people would say "it's only fair"? No, they would not.

Your argument is basically that it's not fair that guys can go shirtless but girls can't, but this argument can be totally flipped around, what if I wanted to wear some super short shorts and a g-string thong? I would get torn to shreds and singled out in a totally negative way, very similar to how you're describing girls being treated "unfairly" for not being able to go topless.

Society is not going to conform to this. It has never and I can confidently say it will never accept females walking around topless, not to mention that it is public indecency and you would be arrested very quickly.

Sorry to say it, but it's a horribly supported argument on your side, and that's the truth.
How about we reread Rawal's quote:
Wow let's just forget about criticising, changing society for the better and trying to make people think rationally because apparently we've already decided that there's no point in even trying.
And try to change society for the better? Also guys are allowed to wear short shorts and g strings legally. They can wear whatever they want, no one is going to arrest them for it unless their dick is hanging out. Also though breasts are part of the reproductive system, they aren't genitals, or a hole you shit out of, I don't see what's so "indecent" about them. It's kind of sad that because of the social stigma around breasts less and less women want to breastfeed. (Which, by the way, provides much better nutrients than formula or pumping... since pumping into a bottle gives the milk a chance to collect pathogens...) Also, I already said that breasts, male or female are made out of the same tissue. Would you disallow a fat guy to be shirtless just cuz he has bigger breasts?

[Genghis Khan]

Society is not going to conform to this. It has never and I can confidently say it will never accept females walking around topless, not to mention that it is public indecency and you would be arrested very quickly.

Lol what? Society has changed drastically over the centuries going back to the Victorian era in Europe where social conservatism was at its peak. Women were always expected to be 'pure' and devoid of anything sexual. Now look at where we are, girls can go around with bras and shorts on, people have adopted the view that women have a sex drive just as active as a man's and more importantly, gender should not be an issue. I can't believe you can say this with so much confidence when if you read what the times in the past were like, the first thing that comes to your mind is 'wow, this sounds fundamentally different to what we have now', and the reason for that is critics have always existed. Critics of the system are constantly persuading the majority otherwise and encouraging them to rationally consider the consequences of unwanted prejudice.

Maybe this change won't be here soon, but I don't know if I could ever be as confident as you that it would never happen. Again, I could point out several examples in history where (what we would now consider 'normal') things were considered social deviation and had people either burned at the stake or put in a mental institution.

Edit: Since when could I walk around topless just about anywhere and any time I liked? I think most people mean this in the context of swimming pools, beaches and just hot weather.

[Abnormal]

I really think certain laws should be changed so that girls can walk around topless just like men do. Its only because of the media that breasts have been viewed as sexual objects, its not our fault. Breasts are natural, just like a man's chest. It shouldn't be considered "indecent exposure" for me to not wear a shirt. Women can't even breastfeed in public without causing some kind of a riot. It isn't right. There is a huge double standard out there that people refuse to see because of what television is telling/showing them about the female breasts.

[WickedWeekend]

Its only because of the media that breasts have been viewed as sexual objects, its not our fault. Breasts are natural

Who's fault is it then? Men's?

"Breasts are natural?" So are penises and vaginas.

[Angel Androgynous]

Who's fault is it then? Men's?

"Breasts are natural?" So are penises and vaginas.

I personally wouldn't have a problem with full on nudity in public, but that's a topic for a different day...

[Aves]

Sadly, I have to go with I think it shouldn't be legal. It just doesn't seem right to me to see girls walk around topless. Also, would you girls want all the 12 year old guys staring at your chests? Cause that'd be bound to happen.

Just going to say it's more dignified/civil to have a top on. Both genders, not just women.

[Erasmus]

I think it should be legal.

[Peace God]

ITT: american opinions & taylor swift morals

why are you guys ok with making people feel like they've lost their dignity over superficial (and somewhat disturbing) reasons?

[DanielleD]

I'm pretty sure its legal everywhere in Canada

[Abnormal]

Who's fault is it then? Men's?

"Breasts are natural?" So are penises and vaginas.

Well, would you prefer people walk around naked? I'm only asking for the right to walk around "topless" without feeling ashamed of myself just like men do. I don't think its right. Penises and vaginas are natural as well, you are right. But I fail to see how that has any relevance to what we're talking about.

[Sugaree]

Penises and vaginas are natural as well, you are right. But I fail to see how that has any relevance to what we're talking about.

They have a lot of relevance to the topic at hand. Breasts are, in essence, part of the reproduction system of the female body. If a woman so chooses, she breastfeeds her children. Though, yes, this is a very loose tie to reproduction, the fact that breasts are an intimate part of a body (much like the penis and vagina), makes it enough for people to cover them up.

Now, you wouldn't want to see a man walking around without pants or underwear, right? No, because you'd probably be disgusted and/or offended by what you see. It shouldn't be offensive because it's a natural part of the human body and nothing to be ashamed of. It would be the same if a woman was walking around without underwear or pants. Genitals are a very personal thing for a lot of people even though everyone has them.

When it comes to a woman being topless, there is no difference to that of a man being topless other than outward appearance. Put a topless male and topless female next to each other and there's no real difference in both their breasts. They both have nipples, tissue, everything. The only thing different about a woman's breasts is that they are much larger in size than a man's because of the additional breast milk glands and tissue inside. Really, it's aesthetics. On top of this, having a topless woman is very distracting. It's not a sexist thing to say, either. You see more males go around topless because there's nothing to really see. If you see a woman topless, which is much less a socially accepted practice, it's distracting. Sure, to you women it feels natural, but when you're out in public, in a place where people practice social norms, it's not.

This entire women going topless debate is stupid. If you want to go outside topless, go ahead. Male, female, I don't really care. But don't complain and cry sexism when someone tells you girls to put a top on. It shouldn't be that way, but it is. It's not going to change any time soon either.

[Mortal Coil]

Would you disallow a fat guy to be shirtless just cuz he has bigger breasts?

Yes.

[Peace God]

But don't complain and cry sexism when someone tells you girls to put a top on. It shouldn't be that way, but it is. It's not going to change any time soon either.

"im going to tell you how you should feel about something that doesnt affect me"
"im going to tell you not to complain about something i admit is wrong"
"basically, shut up and deal with our controlling arrogance misogyny and hypocrisy because its not gonna change anytime soon thanks to people like me"

[Angel Androgynous]

It shouldn't be that way, but it is. It's not going to change any time soon either.
Wow let's just forget about criticising, changing society for the better and trying to make people think rationally because apparently we've already decided that there's no point in even trying.
Has anyone actually read this quote? If not then

"im going to tell you how you should feel about something that doesnt affect me"
"im going to tell you not to complain about something i admit is wrong"
"basically, shut up and deal with our controlling arrogance misogyny and hypocrisy because its not gonna change anytime soon thanks to people like me"

This one is pretty damn handy too. Let's read over it again.

"im going to tell you how you should feel about something that doesnt affect me"
"im going to tell you not to complain about something i admit is wrong"
"basically, shut up and deal with our controlling arrogance misogyny and hypocrisy because its not gonna change anytime soon thanks to people like me"

and this too
Wow let's just forget about criticising, changing society for the better and trying to make people think rationally because apparently we've already decided that there's no point in even trying.
Furthermore....
Yes.
Except it's not against the law.

[Sugaree]

"im going to tell you how you should feel about something that doesnt affect me"
"im going to tell you not to complain about something i admit is wrong"
"basically, shut up and deal with our controlling arrogance misogyny and hypocrisy because its not gonna change anytime soon thanks to people like me"


Well shit, I'll admit defeat on this one. But still, what's the rush in getting women to legally go into public topless?

[Korashk]

Well shit, I'll admit defeat on this one. But still, what's the rush in getting women to legally go into public topless?
It's not all that big of a deal from a practical perspective. It's not like women would all of a sudden start going topless en masse in the event of places going top free.

The issue is that ideally the law shouldn't contain double standards. Equal protection under the law and all that jazz. This is an issue that's wrong on principle, even if it really doesn't affect people's lives.

[Peace God]

But still, what's the rush in getting women to legally go into public topless?
liberation (of boobies)

[Sugaree]

It's not all that big of a deal from a practical perspective. It's not like women would all of a sudden start going topless en masse in the event of places going top free.

The issue is that ideally the law shouldn't contain double standards. Equal protection under the law and all that jazz. This is an issue that's wrong on principle, even if it really doesn't affect people's lives.

Oh, I see now. Stupid me for not seeing the double standard.

liberation (of boobies)

I can stand behind this.

[therunaway]

I think men and women should be allowed to walk around completely nude if we please, if we came out of the womb nude, live life naked, I think it's what God intended. If you don't believe in God, well I don't know what to tell you; wear clothes. But for the most part I'd say, I think God intended for us to walk around nude, and let what happens, happen. If you think about it; if we all walked around naked and it started that way from when we were born, or if we started it now after a while there would be no boners, because men would be so use to seeing the female and male reproduction "items". So, I think in a conclusion it should be legal for women to walk around top less and naked for that matter; same for men.

[JessDaly]

It's not all that big of a deal from a practical perspective. It's not like women would all of a sudden start going topless en masse in the event of places going top free.

The issue is that ideally the law shouldn't contain double standards. Equal protection under the law and all that jazz. This is an issue that's wrong on principle, even if it really doesn't affect people's lives.

This is exactly the way I feel. I mean it's not like if this became legal I would walk around topless everyday. It's just the fact that we are not allowed to that bothers me.

[Cicero]

I'm sorry, but I had to say that this is hilarious as well as a valid point. Can you imagine the number of auto accidents that would happen? lol...

Very true hahah

[DerBear]

Breasts are a reproductive organ for females. They play a role in reproducing successfully as a species. In males, they serve no such function. It's not a double standard, it's keeping with the same cultural taboo associated with sex organs. If men suckled babies with their tits, people probably wouldn't let them go topless either.

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Also it is also a sexual attraction for both males and females. So it comes under public indecency, it is not really the same for males.

I can understand where you are coming from but I do agree with Alex.

[JessDaly]

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Also it is also a sexual attraction for both males and females. So it comes under public indecency, it is not really the same for males.

I can understand where you are coming from but I do agree with Alex.

You think that girls don't find a mans chest attractive?

[Angel Androgynous]

This


Also it is also a sexual attraction for both males and females. So it comes under public indecency, it is not really the same for males.

I can understand where you are coming from but I do agree with Alex.

"I find your ankle sexually attractive. You'd better hide it, it's indecent oh god i have a lady boner"

If breasts were treated as normally as a man's chest, it wouldn't be a freaking problem, now would it? Why don't we start now?

[swimgurl97]

because womens breast are part of the female body.

[Sugaree]

because womens breast are part of the female body.

Holy dog dicks, we got ourselves a genius in ROTW.

[fairmaiden]

I suppose it's just something society disagrees with. Think about it, (I think someone mentioned this) breasts in the open would be like, really distracting to all audience, especially males... Plus, parents might hardly take their kids out if there was a topless woman in Disneyworld serving people :).

[Abnormal]

I suppose it's just something society disagrees with. Think about it, (I think someone mentioned this) breasts in the open would be like, really distracting to all audience, especially males... Plus, parents might hardly take their kids out if there was a topless woman in Disneyworld serving people :).

If breasts are distracting you, that's your problem. Not ours. Women aren't distracted by men's chests but we like them too, we just practice self-control and not let a man's chest distract us from day to day tasks. As for parents, well, the mother let that child suck her breasts in their infancy, parents should understand more than anyone else that breasts are just a natural part of the human body and, really, should be treated as such. People are treating breasts like breasts are treated on TV: sexually. Its getting annoying and its bringing on major problems. Now women can't even breastfeed their babies in public without people freaking out over the fact that a woman has breasts and that she's exposing them in public in such an "unladylike" manner. Some people think of feet sexually, you don't see sandals being outlawed.

[Angel Androgynous]

I suppose it's just something society disagrees with. Think about it, (I think someone mentioned this) breasts in the open would be like, really distracting to all audience, especially males... Plus, parents might hardly take their kids out if there was a topless woman in Disneyworld serving people :).

Kind of weird how this argument was addressed several times... perhaps you should read over the whole thread.

[Tobias]

Well now, we wouldent want everyone on the street to have a rageing boner, do we?

[Wayne92]

Here's how I'd have it set up:
Toplessness(both male and female) is forbidden in the proximity of Government buildings, school zones and privately owned property that has a posted sign. Let it have a trial run and see what happens.

Personally, I think a guy shouldn't wear short shorts, super skinny jeans(nut huggers).

The issue I see in people going topless is those who have no business doing so, especially the older folks. *verp*