Illegally gay??

[Noxail]

I was watching the local news last night, and they broadcasted a very touchy topic on facebook.

They asked the question "do you think that it should be illegal to be homosexual" and the sad thing? Over 8% of people said it should be a national felony to be homosexual.... wow... just wow. Comments? :eek: :mad: :rolleyes:

[jjsmitty]

Sad, we live in a society where obesity is genetic and homosexuality is a choice.

Where are these 8%? Trolling? Living in a cave with excellent wi-fi? People like this scare me.

[Jess]

I was watching the local news last night, and they broadcasted a very touchy topic on facebook.

They asked the question "do you think that it should be illegal to be homosexual" and the sad thing? Over 8% of people said it should be a national felony to be homosexual.... wow... just wow. Comments? :eek: :mad: :rolleyes:

that just makes me angry. absolutely pathetic. illegal to be homosexual? what the hell?

[Sugaree]

How about not getting angry about it and focus on actual issues.

[BFG9001]

People are fucking stupid.

[Truth]

There's websites like "chimpout", which force you to say "Ni**ers are not human" upon registering. The racism and discrimination in the USA is ridiculous. It is a very sad thing; but all we can do it wait for the brain washed propagandist older gentlemen and women to die off.

[MisterSix]

Come on guys it only been legal for 20 or 30 years. In some countries it is illegal.

Think of pedophilia. They don't chose to be pedophiles, it's just who they are. Maybe in 50 years there will be pedo rights protests across the world. Then you could be the 8% that thinks it should be illegal.

Open your minds up to both sides.

[Abigballofdust]

Come on guys it only been legal for 20 or 30 years. In some countries it is illegal.

Think of pedophilia. They don't chose to be pedophiles, it's just who they are. Maybe in 50 years there will be pedo rights protests across the world. Then you could be the 8% that thinks it should be illegal.

Open your minds up to both sides.

Comparing pedophilia to homosexuality is wrong.
Pedophilia happens between a grown up and a kid. Even if the kids are actually consentius they're usually far easier to persuade than adults.
What rights would you actually give to pedos?
There's already countries with ages of consent as low as 12. It can't get more pedo than that.

[ImCoolBeans]

Come on guys it only been legal for 20 or 30 years. In some countries it is illegal.

Think of pedophilia. They don't chose to be pedophiles, it's just who they are. Maybe in 50 years there will be pedo rights protests across the world. Then you could be the 8% that thinks it should be illegal.

Open your minds up to both sides.

That actually might be the worst analogy I have ever seen, and I shook my head while reading it. Pedophilia and homosexuality are not comparable by any means. One is the love for the same sex and one involves an adult taking advantage of, molesting and sexually abusing innocent teenagers, children and infants... Sexual abuse is not a part of homosexuality, so please explain to me how in hell you could compare the two?

[Noxail]

Come on guys it only been legal for 20 or 30 years. In some countries it is illegal.

Think of pedophilia. They don't chose to be pedophiles, it's just who they are. Maybe in 50 years there will be pedo rights protests across the world. Then you could be the 8% that thinks it should be illegal.

Open your minds up to both sides.

Hate to say, but I have to agree with everyone else. Pedos... well they take advantage of little children and half the time the kids don't even know it. Homosexuals find love from both sides of the relationship, however, most victims of pedofiles havn't even kissed the boy that hangs out on the monkey bars. I see what you mean, but horrible analogy. ~Holli

[Jess]

Come on guys it only been legal for 20 or 30 years. In some countries it is illegal.

Think of pedophilia. They don't chose to be pedophiles, it's just who they are. Maybe in 50 years there will be pedo rights protests across the world. Then you could be the 8% that thinks it should be illegal.

Open your minds up to both sides.

what -_- worst analogy ever.

homosexuality would generally take place between two people that are close in age (like two adults) and as Holli said, love comes from BOTH sides

[Sugaree]

Aaaand here we go again.


Come on guys it only been legal for 20 or 30 years. In some countries it is illegal.

Think of pedophilia. They don't chose to be pedophiles, it's just who they are. Maybe in 50 years there will be pedo rights protests across the world. Then you could be the 8% that thinks it should be illegal.

Open your minds up to both sides.

For one, I have really tried not to get too involved in this thread, but I'm going to step up with MisterSix on this one. Though I don't think there's going to be a pedophile's rights movement for a long time, their struggle is comparable to that of homosexuals. Just some stuff to think about:

1. Modern day witch hunts. Homosexuals have been treated with as much hate and bigotry as pedophiles. The only difference is that they aren't arrested for being gay. They are just as much bullied and abused as a gay teenager in high school, but people have been brainwashed into thinking backwards on the issue. If a gay kid gets beat up in his school, you all go apeshit; if a pedophile gets brutally assaulted, either in his residence or in prison, I bet you all would say it was justifiable because he's a kiddie fiddler.

2. The acceptance of both groups, over the decades, has gone very slowly. Obviously pedophiles aren't going to attain more support for what they do, but the LGBT certainly will.

Another issue that falls into place with this is acceptance for who people are. All of you say that, if someone is gay or lesbian or whatever sexuality, that's who they were born to be. Obviously attraction to the opposite or same sex is something we're all born with. But every one of you, I would bet, think that being a pedophile is a choice. You mean to tell me that you can be born with a natural attraction to either males or females but can't be born with a natural attraction to children of either gender? This is completely ass backwards and you should all be reconsidering your opinions. It's hypocrisy to think that someone can be born with an attraction to their own sex yet not be born with an attraction to children.

Comparing pedophilia to homosexuality is wrong.
Pedophilia happens between a grown up and a kid. Even if the kids are actually consentius they're usually far easier to persuade than adults.
What rights would you actually give to pedos?
There's already countries with ages of consent as low as 12. It can't get more pedo than that.

You make it sound like pedophilia only applies in cases of an adult (someone over 18) and a child (someone younger than 18). Did you know, that in most states here in America, that if two teenagers of a different age, we'll say one 16 year old and one 17 year old, that the older teenager can become a registered sex offender? Sex offenders are pedophiles, and they can be anybody. You don't have to be a fully grown adult and molest little kids to be considered a pedophile. You can be 16 and be a pedophile. It happens more than you think and people go looking out for the old white males that apparently cause it all.

what -_- worst analogy ever.

homosexuality would generally take place between two people that are close in age (like two adults) and as Holli said, love comes from BOTH sides

This is a stupid argument. Not even going to bother addressing it in enough detail.

Hate to say, but I have to agree with everyone else. Pedos... well they take advantage of little children and half the time the kids don't even know it. Homosexuals find love from both sides of the relationship, however, most victims of pedofiles havn't even kissed the boy that hangs out on the monkey bars. I see what you mean, but horrible analogy. ~Holli

Once again, this is a completely invalid and stupid argument. Read what I said above. Both parties can be fully consenting, no matter what ages they are, and can, by law in some areas, become a registered sex offender if caught.

[Korashk]

1. Modern day witch hunts. Homosexuals have been treated with as much hate and bigotry as pedophiles. The only difference is that they aren't arrested for being gay. They are just as much bullied and abused as a gay teenager in high school, but people have been brainwashed into thinking backwards on the issue. If a gay kid gets beat up in his school, you all go apeshit; if a pedophile gets brutally assaulted, either in his residence or in prison, I bet you all would say it was justifiable because he's a kiddie fiddler.
It's not really comparable. You don't go to prison for being a pedophile, just like you don't go to prison for being homosexual. However, you do go to prison for raping children. Is the beating justified? Well, if the person is just a pedophile with no record of acting on his compulsions then I'd say no. However, I can't being myself to feel sorry for a rapist getting the shit beat out of him, child molester or otherwise.

Obviously attraction to the opposite or same sex is something we're all born with. But every one of you, I would bet, think that being a pedophile is a choice. You mean to tell me that you can be born with a natural attraction to either males or females but can't be born with a natural attraction to children of either gender?
Pedophiles are stigmatized because acting on their attractions universally requires rape more than anything else.

When people refer to hating "pedophiles" or not being outraged when "pedophiles" get what's coming to them, more often that not they're actually referring to child molesters.

You make it sound like pedophilia only applies in cases of an adult (someone over 18) and a child (someone younger than 18). Did you know, that in most states here in America, that if two teenagers of a different age, we'll say one 16 year old and one 17 year old, that the older teenager can become a registered sex offender? Sex offenders are pedophiles, and they can be anybody.
Little clarification here, not all pedophiles are sex offenders and the ones that are, are likely the ones that deserve stigmatization. Most people on the Sex Offender Registry aren't on it for reasons relates to the molestation of minors.

Once again, this is a completely invalid and stupid argument. Read what I said above. Both parties can be fully consenting, no matter what ages they are, and can, by law in some areas, become a registered sex offender if caught.
The issue is that children really can't consent, at least not in the same sense that a person with a developed brain can. That's why age of consent laws exist, even if I don't agree with how they're implemented.

[Cicero]

That's not a lot at all. At my school I'm suprised they even have a GSA because about 70% of my school is against homosexuality. But 8% is a very small number.

[Abigballofdust]

Well Murdoc, you're briging in your local laws. I'm a Croatian guy and that rules do not apply down here (not even in Europe, for what I know).
In Croatia (and most of Europe) a pedophile is somebody having an intercourse with a 13y/o or younger and only in case he's more than 6 years older than the partner or somebody found in possession of pornography depicting minors. By that means a 16 years old having his way with a 13 years old will not get you on the pedophiles list although you can be pursued for breaking the legal consent law.
The fact that your country has wicked rules to prevent teenagers having sex is not the point to fight pro pedophilia since a 17 fucking a 16 years old is hardly pedophilia.

[Mortal Coil]

This is all just ridiculous. I seriously hope that the 8% are actually just trolling.

[ImCoolBeans]

This is all just ridiculous. I seriously hope that the 8% are actually just trolling.

I highly doubt that the 8% were just voting to troll and be de-motivational. There are people who just don't like the idea of homosexuality, and truly believe that it's morally and ethically wrong in every aspect, just as there are people who sincerely don't believe that the holocaust ever happened.

[Bluerhino666]

That's not a lot at all. At my school I'm suprised they even have a GSA because about 70% of my school is against homosexuality. But 8% is a very small number.

i would hate to go to your school

[sammy1996]

Aaaand here we go again.



every one of you, I would bet, think that being a pedophile is a choice. You mean to tell me that you can be born with a natural attraction to either males or females but can't be born with a natural attraction to children of either gender? This is completely ass backwards and you should all be reconsidering your opinions. It's hypocrisy to think that someone can be born with an attraction to their own sex yet not be born with an attraction to children.



While i partially agree, a pedophile is wanting a relationship specifically with kids, they might not like someone who happens to be a child, but BECAUSE they are a child.
even if the child is in agreement with the relationship they can be easily brainwashed, a child doesnt know whats wrong without being told, you could abduct a child and make it think anything you want is acceptable and/or make the child feel like it had to. someone could easily enough find a infant and reward it with sweets for sexual favors, while consenting the child doesnt really know WHAT its consenting too, or why.

[SLABBS]

you have to look at it from a nother veiwpoint. about 50 years ago homosexuality was a taboo concept and most the population was disgusted by it. but now a-days most people find it normal and more and more gay people are making themselves know. people have been in a political battle involved with homosexuality and pro-homosexuality media is everywhere now. we never see anti-homosexuality media. and even if we do were so decensitized that we scoff at it and assume anti-gay representatives are ignorant... but... BUT imagine youve never met a gay guy, youve never seen a gay guy. youve never seen anything gay on TV or the internet. youve never seen any media promoting homosexuality. now someone tells you that there are men out there that like to have sexual relations with other men. if your that person who hasnt been exposed to homosexual media it would be understandable that you are disgusted by homosexuality and therefore againsed it. even a well educated and generaly accepting person might be offended by the concept of homosexuality if they hadnt been exposed to it. so really, you got to look at it from the 8%'s point of veiw.

[Skyhawk]

I was watching the local news last night, and they broadcasted a very touchy topic on facebook.

They asked the question "do you think that it should be illegal to be homosexual" and the sad thing? Over 8% of people said it should be a national felony to be homosexual.... wow... just wow. Comments? :eek: :mad: :rolleyes:

If in some odd fantasy world that the 8% in that vote might have and a law like that is passed, I'll just say that there would be a lot of gay Anne Franks. :)

[Akasuki]

The only people I choose to not socialize with are homophobes. If someone feels the need to intrude in someones personal life saying that who they're loving is wrong, then they're not worth my time!
I don't go into their life and say that they shouldn't be making love to the opposite gender, so they can't go into mine. It shouldn't be anyone's decision who should love who.

As for the comparison to pedophilia, homosexuality is not hurting anyone while pedophilia does. And if someone being homosexual hurts you, I feel bad for you because it has absolutely nothing to do with you.
It's like, if you don't like a TV show, turn it off. Don't call up the channel and tell them to take the show off. If you don't like seeing gay people be happy, turn away!

[Ryhanna]

Homophobes are the worst people. Love and let love.

[Fruity Drink]

I recently did A debate on gay marriage, and homosexuality.. and to be honest, the results SHOCKED me as well! but I did notice a trend when it came to the acceptance of homosexuality. Usually people over the age of 50 aren't as accepting of homosexuals, as people who are more in our generation.

[Peace God]

How about not getting angry about it and focus on actual issues.
or you could actually give a shit about the lgbt community and not trivialize the damage of homophobia in this country.

[Sugaree]

or you could actually give a shit about the lgbt community and not trivialize the damage of homophobia in this country.

Or realize this is a social issue that, at the current time, doesn't really matter. I don't get the importance about gay marriage all of a sudden ever since VP Biden was asked about it on "Meet the Press". Yes, I realize that homophobia damages the country and the LGBT community and that no one should trivialize it; but why are people making such a big deal about it? All I've read and heard regarding this election are gay marriage and maybe talk about the economy. I seriously don't get why people think this is an election deciding issue.

[Peace God]

Or realize this is a social issue that, at the current time, doesn't really matter.
It does fucking matter. Not to you obviously, but that means it shouldn't matter to the people that are much more severely affected by it? Are you even lgbt and out? If not, you should consider not commenting on how homophobia doesnt matter if it has much less of an effect on you. That's really inconsiderate.
Yes, I realize that homophobia damages the country and the LGBT community and that no one should trivialize it; but why are people making such a big deal about it?
urfppdshladglajkl. "no one should trivialize it... but why are people making such a big deal about it?" fucking lol.
Umm maybe because of things like assault, homicide, suicide, constant threats and social ostracisation on top of legislative inequality?
Homophobia is still very acceptable for much of the population and contributes to continued attacks and demoralization of lgbts in this country. But really, WHY DO I EVEN NEED TO EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU? This is why I can't take your opinion on this seriously; for someone who's a poster on VT you're ignoring issues that have significant damage, issues that are talked about on here.

I don't get the importance about gay marriage all of a sudden ever since VP Biden was asked about it on "Meet the Press". All I've read and heard regarding this election are gay marriage and maybe talk about the economy. I seriously don't get why people think this is an election deciding issue.
Marriage? Elections? i dont think these topics have even been mentioned in this thread yet, thats only a small fraction of the issue. you really need to see the bigger picture here. if not, dont comment on how others should feel about hatred...yknow what, just dont either way

[Genghis Khan]

Or realize this is a social issue that, at the current time, doesn't really matter.

Just because the issue may not pertain to you does not trivialise it. The idea isn't just to legalise gay marriage or life partnerships but to eradicate the social stigma attached to being part of the lgbt community. The stigma itself is physically, psychologically and socially damaging. I don't see any justification for why this isn't a big deal.

Yes, I realize that homophobia damages the country and the LGBT community and that no one should trivialize it; but why are people making such a big deal about it?

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[Sugaree]

It does fucking matter. Not to you obviously, but that means it shouldn't matter to the people that are much more severely affected by it? Are you even lgbt and out? If not, you should consider not commenting on how homophobia doesnt matter if it has much less of an effect on you. That's really inconsiderate.

It does matter to me, but I'm tired of this being the only topic this debate forum really cares about. I understand this is an issue that is very important to many people, but it gets tiring to still see these threads being brought out every week. I ignore them most of the time because the same things are said, but let me clarify something: the 8% who said it should be illegal to be gay...are they that much a problem? If this were 8% nationally, leaving the other 92% to be neutral or accepting of LGBT, would it still be a major problem? Homophobia will eventually decrease with time. It will take a long time, but it will happen, and I am in full support to try and be considerate with both LGBT and homophobes.

Second, I see no need for you to know if I'm LGBT or not, but I am. And why does that matter? Would it make my opinion any more invalid in your eyes? I'm bisexual, I'm out to many people I know both here and in real life. But I'm not militant about obtaining the right to marry another man or rally against homophobes who want me arrested for my preference. I don't care about homophobes because whatever they think about me really doesn't matter. If they think what I do or who I like is wrong or immoral, hell, let 'em. In the end, it doesn't affect me. However, in the most extreme cases, they violently react to other LGBT, which is something I've noticed a few times in my life.

But it confuses me to no end why the loudest and most popular LGBT advocates seem so militant on what they think the group, as a whole, wants. On top of that, it also confuses me as to why this small portion of the population is basically being showcased as this large obstacle. It's making a mountain out of an anthill and it needs to stop. Whenever a homophobe makes the comment that they saw a gay man carrying a purse and then says all gay men carry purses, a lot of people jump down that person's throat. There's a double standard here that makes me sick. The 8% represented in this poll are being made out, in this thread, as a huge majority trying to oppress the minority. They aren't even worth noting if they can't muster enough people to get past a single digit percentile.

Honestly, I think I'm going to stay away from anything relating to LGBT in RoTW. It's way too one sided on this forum to get any other opinions than ones already given. I'll admit defeat in this thread too, but I'm not bitter about it. You actually got me thinking AJ, thanks.

[Peace God]

But it confuses me to no end why the loudest and most popular LGBT advocates seem so militant on what they think the group, as a whole, wants.
imma go out on a limb here and say that most lgbts want less homophobia
On top of that, it also confuses me as to why this small portion of the population is basically being showcased as this large obstacle.
but see, you're still reducing the problem. a local facebook poll about whether or not being gay should be legal does not mean the 92% of the country is non-homophobic.
Second, I see no need for you to know if I'm LGBT or not, but I am. And why does that matter? Would it make my opinion any more invalid in your eyes?
i didnt mean to pry into personal stuff, its just seems like you think everything's golden i was just curious because straight people, closeted lgbts and uncloseted lgbts are all obviously gonna have different views of homophobia. and tbh, you seem to have one similar to a straight person. and yes a straight person's opinion on homophobia is much less valid.
Homophobia will eventually decrease with time. It will take a long time, but it will happen, and I am in full support to try and be considerate with both LGBT and homophobes.
c'mon dude...
im really really opposed to your wait until the straight people are ready mentality.
homophobes definitely have the right to think what that they do
but do their opinions deserve respect and tolerance? no. that tolerance comes at the expense others while homophobes suffer minimal repercussions for being rightfully called out on their shit
It's way too one sided on this forum to get any other opinions than ones already given.
yes vt is pretty one sided on this issue, that's not a bad thing. apologists arent always needed and devils advocates can be eye opening on some issues but this is just not one of them, homophobia is not something that needs anymore advocating for.

[Shadowhunter]

I will never understand people. Who cares if someone likes someone of the same sex - its not like it's affecting everyone's life around them. Honestly, that 8% should look back through history assimilation never leads to good results nor should it.

[Abnormal]

Sadly, that 8% are not trolling. There are some people that actually feel that way. Next its going to be brought into question whether or not its illegal for someone to be African American or whether or not its going to be illegal to be Jewish. Then its going to be brought into question whether or not its illegal to be human!

[Noirtier]

I am a Christian and do not believe homosexuality is right according to the Bible. However, I am NOT one of those Christians who is then a homophobe and judges and condemns everyone because of it. To do that you have to throw out half of the New Testament. From experience of myself and my friends, I do not believe it is a choice whether you feel the attraction to the same sex or not. On top of that, I am not commanded to judge and condemn--I am commanded to love. To make homosexuality illegal would be to take away someone's basic rights in a "free country". I could never support a movement like that because that's judgement. I have gay friends, and would never judge them--only love them. Christ didn't condemn the sinners and love only the righteous. Some of his closest friends were considered sinners in the religious authorities' eyes. Yet not once did he condemn those "sinners"--he only loved them

[Sugaree]

I am a Christian and do not believe homosexuality is right according to the Bible. However, I am NOT one of those Christians who is then a homophobe and judges and condemns everyone because of it. To do that you have to throw out half of the New Testament. From experience of myself and my friends, I do not believe it is a choice whether you feel the attraction to the same sex or not. On top of that, I am not commanded to judge and condemn--I am commanded to love. To make homosexuality illegal would be to take away someone's basic rights in a "free country". I could never support a movement like that because that's judgement. I have gay friends, and would never judge them--only love them. Christ didn't condemn the sinners and love only the righteous. Some of his closest friends were considered sinners in the religious authorities' eyes. Yet not once did he condemn those "sinners"--he only loved them

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[Light Warrior 7]

It's illegal on my country ._. until now, I guess??

[Gordo]

You guys are looking at it all wrong: It's 8% that's nothing. 10% of the people out there are alcoholics :) So if you're pro-gay, view it as a win as in ya got 92%! That's an A in my book. Plus when do people agree on anything 100%? Like...Never. In fact that 92% might be a record as far as agreeing on something.

Compare it to abortion, illegal immigrants, green energy, election results etc.