best president

[dmb1996]

who is the best president of all time? i'll go with bill clinton

[Professional Russian]

Personally I thin FDR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FDR) was the best president if all time because he fixed the economy pretty well and fought a good war.

[NotYourSombrero]

I believe Lincoln was our best president. Maybe FDR. Both were very influential and solved many problems in our country.

[Sugaree]

I believe Lincoln was our best president. Maybe FDR. Both were very influential and solved many problems in our country.

Lincoln didn't want to do half the things he did. FDR did what he had to do because he wanted to and needed to. So your statement is half true.

[Noirtier]

I've always believed George Washington to be the best president we have ever had not only because of what he did and how he handled it but because he set a precedent for every other president this country has ever had. In my book, Lincoln and FDR are then tied for second. All three are very close and I consider them to be "super presidents"

[jessiecox1]

I agree with the poster above...George Washington, and then Abe Lincoln and FDR.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

I really liked FDR, as stated above. He helped the country recover from an economic mess that was the biggest in our nation's history and he guided us through WWII and helped up defeat the Nazis and the Japanese. I would say Abe Lincoln, but he only abolished slavery because he had to get the south to rejoin the union. He wouldn't have abolished them if he didn't have to and he himself had slaves, so I don't see what's so great about him besides the fact that he won the Civil War.

[WickedWeekend]

What about Jimmy Carter?

[Clawhammer]

George Washington. Definitely.

[byknott]

Lincoln is remembered as a good president because he ran his entire administration based on his principles and did not waver from them. In his time his popularity was dismal; he was no where close to the American hero he is now. I personally don't think his greatest accomplishment was freeing the slaves at all. It's notable of course as a part of his administration, but his greatest feat was keeping and protecting the Union.

Lincoln's not my favorite president, though.

Teddy Roosevelt is the best. Forget Franklin. It's all about Teddy. Teddy Roosevelt was shot in the middle of a speech and FINISHED. He was also the youngest president ever, beating JFK for that title by one year. He also quit politics to become a rancher, then came back to be president. This was the "Speak softly and carry a big stick" guy. Certified badass.

[double r]

Ronald Reagen, Jimmie Carter, or FDR.

[Noirtier]

Just curious why have two people said Jimmy Carter?

[james wolf]

Geogre bush, now there's a great man!

[CharmOfTheSOuth]

reagen! duh

[Thunderstorm]

That's really hard! I'll state mine like this:
Dealing with Economy: FDR
Dealing with war: Lincoln
Dealing with Civil Rights: JFK

[Princess Ariel]

Ronald Reagan hands down.
Sure, others had their great moments but to me. Reagan. He also helped trigger the idea of abolishing the Berlin Wall. One of the most horrific events in Germany since it was up there for so long and if you visit where the wall was. There is still a bit of the wall scattered across the ground.

[Professional Russian]

Geogre bush, now there's a great man!

Id love to say i agree with you but the man was a fucking monkey..I only support him because obama sucks. Th only things bush did were get us in a depression and get us into a useless war...although i do believe he found bin laden no obama.

[Stronger]

Probably FDR, Reagan would be my votes, yet there are others that have done a great job for our contry.

[Rdsxbaseballfan]

ugh i hated george bush, i did not believe in his standards he set for our country. but the above post about obama sucks, im the complete opposite. i love obama. i think hes done so much for this country and yeah hes had some tough times but its because congress wont pass anything he does because hes a democrat. if congress was purely democratic then the economy in my opinion would be better than it is now

[Sugaree]

Geogre bush, now there's a great man!

Haha, oh man.

Id love to say i agree with you but the man was a fucking monkey..I only support him because obama sucks. Th only things bush did were get us in a depression and get us into a useless war...although i do believe he found bin laden no obama.

Except it happened under Obama's watch. And Bush tried multiple times to kill Bin Laden yet failed.

[Gordo]

Theodore Roosevelt was pretty bad ass. He fought in a war and was one of the Rough Riders. He also started the National Park system and had the foresight to crank up our Navy because he noticed that the USA as way behind the UK and France. It took years to catch up but they did and the timing was perfect because it was just before the world war.

So he was "going green" before anyone, a certified badass and set america up to be a super power with a powerful Navy. That's why he's up on Mount Rushmore with other great presidents. Also, there is one spot remaining up on Rushmore and none in recent history have done enough to even discuss putting them there.

[Rayquaza]

I'm from the UK, so from what I've studied I'd say the best president is Franklin D. Roosevelt.

[Rdsxbaseballfan]

i would have to say obama's face will be up there among some of the greatest people in US history

[kenoloor]

bush obvs he was such a smart n intelligent dude i mean look at iraq that shit is fucking genius in my anus.

[Smeagol]

I would say FDR, George Washington, or Lincoln.

[beplubber24]

who is the best president of all time? i'll go with bill clinton

Um, wtf. Im going to have to debate this. Bill Clinton led us into the recession. He de-regulated the banks, not Bush. Yes, there was a surplus, but he left Bush a complete mess in the White House.

i would have to say obama's face will be up there among some of the greatest people in US history

Um, hell no, not even close.

Posts merged ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

[kenoloor]

Um, wtf. Im going to have to debate this. Bill Clinton led us into the recession. He de-regulated the banks, not Bush. Yes, there was a surplus, but he left Bush a complete mess in the White House.

Um, hell no, not even close.

And let the ignorant spewing begin...

[Professional Russian]

And let the ignorant spewing begin...


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[Sugaree]

Um, wtf. Im going to have to debate this. Bill Clinton led us into the recession. He de-regulated the banks, not Bush. Yes, there was a surplus, but he left Bush a complete mess in the White House.

Aren't you a conservative? Deregulating the banks should be giving you a massive hard on.

[wild1]

George Washington?

[Sugaree]

George Washington?

What an unexpected answer. I don't think anyone else has said this.

[double r]

What an unexpected answer. I don't think anyone else has said this.
no really.
What about teddy r,he was not so bad either.

[Sugaree]

I'm from the UK, so from what I've studied I'd say the best president is Franklin D. Roosevelt.

He's only the best in the UK because FDR and Churchill played key roles during WWII.

[Cicero]

Definitely Abraham Lincoln (http://voices.yahoo.com/abraham-lincoln-our-greatest-president-397918.html) and Ronald Reagan (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080214183233AAkEnSB)

[Professional Russian]

i would have to say obama's face will be up there among some of the greatest people in US history

If this happend i would shoot my self. Obama is a horrible president. He wanted to take away my guns and my freedom of speech. "If obama gets elected again by this time next year ill either be dead or in jail" The wise words of my favorite person. And by the way tell me why obamas so good?

[abdheuuuchjc]

Personally I thin FDR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FDR) was the best president if all time because he fixed the economy pretty well and fought a good war.

FDR didnt fix the economy WWII did, and most of his social plans are the reason we're in debt, he made 0% of the plans for WWII the only thing he did was agree with his generals

Our best president was James Madison he unf**cked the country after the jefferson trade acts and won the war of 1812 after Jefferson cut down the military

[Sugaree]

Our best president was James Madison he unf**cked the country after the jefferson trade acts and won the war of 1812 after Jefferson cut down the military

I'll counter your James Madison with my James Monroe. Had the Monroe Doctrine not been made, Spain would have invaded South America and we would have been dragged into it due to diplomatic ties with countries there.

[abdheuuuchjc]

I'll counter your James Madison with my James Monroe. Had the Monroe Doctrine not been made, Spain would have invaded South America and we would have been dragged into it due to diplomatic ties with countries there.

Other than the Monroe Doctrine nothing much happened he lead us into the era of good feelings and i do believe Monroe had potential but not enough happened

[beplubber24]

Aren't you a conservative? Deregulating the banks should be giving you a massive hard on.

I'm a proud conservative, but deregulation is what sent the worlds economy down the drain. I'm against, and Clinton should be regarded one of the worst presidents ever.

[abdheuuuchjc]

I'm a proud conservative, but deregulation is what sent the worlds economy down the drain. I'm against, and Clinton should be regarded one of the worst presidents ever.

The worst ever is Obamo no question. He spent more money then every other president combined

[Professional Russian]

The worst ever is Obamo no question. He spent more money then every other president combined

Thank finally someone who agrees

[beplubber24]

Thank finally someone who agrees

I got in trouble for stating my opinion in sixth grade about that. A detention from my teacher who lusts over Obama.

[Sugaree]

I got in trouble for stating my opinion in sixth grade about that. A detention from my teacher who lusts over Obama.

Unless your teacher believes kids should be seen and not heard. Just because you got detention over your opinion doesn't mean the teacher lusts over Obama. You pretty much ARE the typical conservative, and that's bad.

[double r]

Unless your teacher believes kids should be seen and not heard. Just because you got detention over your opinion doesn't mean the teacher lusts over Obama. You pretty much ARE the typical conservative, and that's bad.

Whats wrong with that.

[Hammock]

As an outsider, who has lived through only Clinton (though I was very young so I don't remember anything of it), Bush Jr and Obama, Obama's my favourite. A lot because he's more left-wing and so am I, and because he seems more down to earth and more of an intellectual than Bush.

Historically, it's JFK.

[Noirtier]

The worst ever is Obamo no question. He spent more money then every other president combined

And, while saying this, you are ignoring those such as Warren G. Harding, James Buchanan, Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson, Herbert Hoover, Millard Filmore, Jimmy Carter, Ulysses S. Grant (no offense to the guy he was an amazing tactician, but he made some bad decisions as president). Historically, there have been a lot worse than Obama, and that is a fact no matter what way you put it. I'm not saying I agree with everything he does, but there have been worse.

[Sugaree]

Whats wrong with that.

Because the typical conservative is so partisan in their political views that it hinders progress. Same goes for the typical liberal.

[double r]

Because the typical conservative is so partisan in their political views that it hinders progress. Same goes for the typical liberal.
Well, that sounds a bit socialist and dictatorship type of view that you have their, plus you are trying to convince someone to give up their political view because you do not seem comfortable with it, read what you wrote, you are trying to deprive people from their right to have an opinion and point of view.

[beplubber24]

Well, that sounds a bit socialist and dictatorship type of view that you have their, plus you are trying to convince someone to give up their political view because you do not seem comfortable with it, read what you wrote, you are trying to deprive people from their right to have an opinion and point of view.

Not defending Murdoc, but this is the Ramblings of the Wise section, it is a debate, but I do agree with you, he is trying to hinder our opinions, but my teacher did give me a detention for no reason.

[Sugaree]

Well, that sounds a bit socialist and dictatorship type of view that you have their, plus you are trying to convince someone to give up their political view because you do not seem comfortable with it, read what you wrote, you are trying to deprive people from their right to have an opinion and point of view.

Not defending Murdoc, but this is the Ramblings of the Wise section, it is a debate, but I do agree with you, he is trying to hinder our opinions, but my teacher did give me a detention for no reason.

What the flying hell. Talk about pulling something out of your ass. If I were to convince you to give up your political views, I would have done it long before now. On top of that, I would have done it in a much more subtle way. The fact that you decided to call my viewpoint socialist and saying I'm hindering your opinions is absolute fodder. If I wanted to do that, I would have just told you both to shut the hell up. But I'm more civilized than that.

[double r]

You...., you have been doing that ever since I joined this site. And I love that you are the only person that still uses the word fodder, except for that you got your context wrong for that word(hahaha!), but back to the point, I said socialist because after you said liberal and conservative comes socialist/ communist.

[StoppingTime]

You...., you have been doing that ever since I joined this site. And I love that you are the only person that still uses the word fodder, except for that you got your context wrong for that word(hahaha!), but back to the point, I said socialist because after you said liberal and conservative comes socialist/ communist.

Your point here?
He hasn't been trying to change your views and opinions, he's challenging them.
Socialism is never once mentioned by anyone but you. Just because someone is "left wing" doesn't make them a socialist.

[Sugaree]

You...., you have been doing that ever since I joined this site. And I love that you are the only person that still uses the word fodder, except for that you got your context wrong for that word(hahaha!), but back to the point, I said socialist because after you said liberal and conservative comes socialist/ communist.

The context of the word is correct. Fodder is waste or something that is already in heavy supply. I'm not changing your views, I'm putting you to the test and challenging them. That's a debate, and if you don't like it, it would do everyone good if you left and come back when you are ready.

[Noirtier]

As an outsider, who has lived through only Clinton (though I was very young so I don't remember anything of it), Bush Jr and Obama, Obama's my favourite. A lot because he's more left-wing and so am I, and because he seems more down to earth and more of an intellectual than Bush.

Historically, it's JFK.

While I may agree with you on the Obama-Bush comparison, I disagree on your view of JFK as the greatest president. Even in the same century, FDR did much more than JFK, and much more for the improvement of the nation. One can argue that JFK handled the Cuban Missle Crisis well, but in reality it was his brother Robert Kennedy--the Attorney General--who did most of the negotiating with the USSR during this time, and who actually defused the situation. JFK was more of a figurehead during this particular situation. His legislation also was in limbo in Congress during most of his presidency, only coming out of limbo when Lyndon B. Johnson came into office upon Kennedy's death. Make no doubt about it, I believe JFK was a good leader, but I also believe that he is given more credit than is deserved because people don't realize the massive role Robert Kennedy played in JFK's presidency, as well as his typically being overrated because of his assassination. I admire him as a leader, but do not place him as the best we have ever had. His teamwork with his brother, though, and great cabinet choices did make for great potential. Had he not been assassinated, he could have been a stellar president, or a lackluster president, depending a lot on what happened with Congress. Which it would be, we shall never know

[Aves]

Obama's worst prez cuz he take away shooty things.


In all seriousness, I'd have to say FDR. Reasons have been stated above, but don't forget, the man fought polio the whole damn time. That takes a lot with all the stress the presidency puts one under.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

bush obvs he was such a smart n intelligent dude i mean look at iraq that shit is fucking genius in my anus.

This. :P

Back to reality now.


Obama's worst prez cuz he take away shooty things.
He's not, no president could do that, and yeah I would be pissed if it ever did happen.

Because the typical conservative is so partisan in their political views that it hinders progress. Same goes for the typical liberal.
I agree. You have to be open to both sides and understand and respect other's ideas.
The worst ever is Obamo no question. He spent more money then every other president combined
1. This is BEST president thread, not a worst. Take that somewhere else.
2. Most of Obama's costs were from the Iraq and Afghan wars that costed billions to continue to fight for 3 1/2 more years and how bad the economy was when Obama entered, he had to spend money to bailout failing business that are still important to us (i.e. General Motors & Chrysler). The argument that he spent so much is invalid at this point.

Click here for a detailed response. (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/03/19/446990/obama-bush-reagan-government-spending/?mobile=nc)

[Φρανκομβριτ]

I think JFK for sure. Clinton was a laugh though

[Navi]

I'm not so seasoned on Presidential studies, like I probably should be... But, I think FDR or Reagan might be the 'best' in my opinion. FDR led us through the Second World War, and also having to deal with polio. Reagan helped get us avoid a nuclear war and get us through the final years of the Cold War, I suppose. Also, I think JFK and LBJ were good, even though LBJ could be regarded as "not-so-good", I guess.

In my opinion, I don't think we can determine a "best" President. Sure, we can say what President handled their job the best and kept the country stable, but it's not like, you can take George Washington and compare him to, say, Clinton. There are many differences in what they did, how life was lived, and so on. So unless there was a way to see what George Washington vs. Clinton would do, then you can't really determine who could be the "best". Also, it would be unfair to compare someone who was in office for a long time (FDR) and compare it to someone who was in office for like, a year or two.

[abdheuuuchjc]

And, while saying this, you are ignoring those such as Warren G. Harding, James Buchanan, Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson, Herbert Hoover, Millard Filmore, Jimmy Carter, Ulysses S. Grant (no offense to the guy he was an amazing tactician, but he made some bad decisions as president). Historically, there have been a lot worse than Obama, and that is a fact no matter what way you put it. I'm not saying I agree with everything he does, but there have been worse.

Most u listed were do nothing presidents, Obama is doing something, the wrong thing

[DerBear]

Obama, simply because few would say he has been great. If the economy was not so shit and he had handled a few other things better he would have been great. However he was handed the economy almost in ruins and I don't blame him for that.

[Erasmus]

I'm gonna say FDR.

[beplubber24]

Obama, simply because few would say he has been great. If the economy was not so shit and he had handled a few other things better he would have been great. However he was handed the economy almost in ruins and I don't blame him for that.

Who do you blame, Bush? It was the democrats who de-regulated the banks, and fucked us all up the ass. If you're saying that the republicans caused this, I will shoot you down immediately.

[DerBear]

Who do you blame, Bush? It was the democrats who de-regulated the banks, and fucked us all up the ass. If you're saying that the republicans caused this, I will shoot you down immediately.

I ain't saying the democrats are saints and have not made worst choices. However, Obama has tried and had some rather good ideas. The economy was in a bad shape before Obama took it over.

Also this idea that we must "blame" someone is so fucking ignorant and stupid.

It seems it had come a very fucked up time when we have to blame someone. It seems to me if anyone makes a mistake that we must publicly shoot them. It is fucking ridiculous. It really annoys me when people seem to think that politicians are some kind of god and are incapable of mistake. They are human you know.

Also people seem to think that in four years you are meant to see A LOT of change where as it takes a good 6-8 years to turn an economy around. The UK'S economy only went up by something like 2% however even that is being back tracked.

Change does not happen overnight.

Sometimes we have to wait and reserve judgement until the end.

[Sugaree]

Who do you blame, Bush? It was the democrats who de-regulated the banks, and fucked us all up the ass. If you're saying that the republicans caused this, I will shoot you down immediately.

Not exactly the bipartisan type, are ya?

[Noirtier]

Most u listed were do nothing presidents, Obama is doing something, the wrong thing

Jimmy Carter actually CAUSED the Iranian Hostage Crisis by allowing the Shah of Iran into the United States to seek refuge. He then proceeded to botch it, while forcing the ecomony to tank at the same time.
Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan were actually very responsible for the Civil War by their supporting of slavery and their ignoring of the growing tensions.
Warren G. Harding hired his croonies as government employees and caused one of (if not the) biggest government corruption scandal in American history--bigger than watergate. The next TWO presidents would spend years fixing his mess he created
Hoover, through the policies he supported and enacted to try and ease the beginning of the Great Depression, FORCED the country further into the Depression, the greatest economic crisis this country has ever had.
Andrew Johnson botched Reconstruction to the point that he didn't listen to Lincoln's plans and was very responsible for a century of racial tension.
Ulysses S Grant inherited Johnson's mess and only made it worse by bringing corruption into the government by hiring his friends. Need I go on? THis is barely scratcching the surface

[swimgurl97]

Lincoln and Kennedy

[Zephyr]

There's no point in naming contemporary presidents because we have yet to see how history will either be kind to them or hard on them. It takes time to see how what they have done fully effects the country.

My favorite though, is FDR for the obvious reasons.

Jefferson, being a slave holder aside, I like too. The Louisiana Purchase expanded the country greatly for 3 pennies an acre.

[Incompris]

I always like FDR

[beplubber24]

I ain't saying the democrats are saints and have not made worst choices. However, Obama has tried and had some rather good ideas. The economy was in a bad shape before Obama took it over.

Also this idea that we must "blame" someone is so fucking ignorant and stupid.

It seems it had come a very fucked up time when we have to blame someone. It seems to me if anyone makes a mistake that we must publicly shoot them. It is fucking ridiculous. It really annoys me when people seem to think that politicians are some kind of god and are incapable of mistake. They are human you know.

Also people seem to think that in four years you are meant to see A LOT of change where as it takes a good 6-8 years to turn an economy around. The UK'S economy only went up by something like 2% however even that is being back tracked.

Change does not happen overnight.

Sometimes we have to wait and reserve judgement until the end.

Not saying change is supposed to happen overnight, in no way am I trying to say that, but he put us farther in debt with those stimulus bills as I've said earlier. But if we are going to solve this, I believe that we need to put the blame on someone who caused this mess and reverse that mistake to make things better, maybe that won't even help.. I believe this because someone had to've messed up big time, possibly not even a president. Who knows, but the economy wont get better if this Euro European shut is going on.

[Gaybaby94]

Obama! He fully supports my right to marriage!

[Professional Russian]

Obama! He fully supports my right to marriage!

Really? your reason to why obama is so great is because he supports Gay Marriage? I dont have anything against it or anything but i dont see how you see him as the best because of that.

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[Gaybaby94]

Really? your reason to why obama is so great is because he supports Gay Marriage? I dont have anything against it or anything but i dont see how you see him as the best because of that.

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I have other reasons, but mainly because he supports same sex marriage. He is truthful, responsible, respectable. Unlike his predecessor.

[Professional Russian]

I have other reasons, but mainly because he supports same sex marriage. He is truthful, responsible, respectable. Unlike his predecessor.

I dont respect him for shit

[Sugaree]

Obama! He fully supports my right to marriage!

You have the dumbest reasons to support the incumbent.

[Professional Russian]

You have the dumbest reasons to support the incumbent.

Thats what i said

[beplubber24]

Obama! He fully supports my right to marriage!

Opinion invalidated, if you have any other reasons, tell us.

[Sugaree]

Opinion invalidated, if you have any other reasons, tell us.

It's not invalid at all. Statements can be invalidated, opinions can not. Get with the program.

[beplubber24]

It's not invalid at all. Statements can be invalidated, opinions can not. Get with the program.

Just because someone is gay and Obama supports their marriage is no reason to support him to be president again. That is a statement invalidated. Give other reasons. I mean who cares if he supports gay marriage, that's no reason, so that is an invalid opinion.

[Professional Russian]

Just because someone is gay and Obama supports their marriage is no reason to support him to be president again. That is a statement invalidated. Give other reasons. I mean who cares if he supports gay marriage, that's no reason, so that is an invalid opinion.

Actually alot of people care. i dont really care. but alot do but i dont hink its a good reason to support him

[StoppingTime]

Just because someone is gay and Obama supports their marriage is no reason to support him to be president again. That is a statement invalidated. Give other reasons. I mean who cares if he supports gay marriage, that's no reason, so that is an invalid opinion.

Opinion: A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. How can someone's viewpoint be wrong? It may -seem- wrong to you, but that doesn't make them incorrect.

Why is gay marriage reason nobody cares about? Yourself ≠ Everyone.

[Sugaree]

Just because someone is gay and Obama supports their marriage is no reason to support him to be president again.

Ok, this is a good starting point. I can agree with that much.

That is a statement invalidated. Give other reasons. I mean who cares if he supports gay marriage, that's no reason, so that is an invalid opinion.

>opinion
>invalid

Pick one, child. You're using the words "statement" and "opinion" interchangeably. You can't, and shouldn't, do that. A statement is "Apples are red and bananas are yellow". An opinion is a belief held by an individual and is subject to differing opinions. What you've done is mix these two terms together to mean the same thing. I don't know if I've seen a more stupid post from you on this forum.

Opinions can also never be fully invalid. Statements can be invalid if you can provide evidence on the contrary. If I were to tell you that the sky is green and grass is blue, you would present evidence to me that this statement is false. Opinions are, as I've said before, subject to other opinions because each opinion has a counter-opinion. So, before you continue, try to figure out the difference between a statement (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/statement) and an opinion (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/opinion), because you definitely need to read up before you debate.

[ImCoolBeans]

Just because someone is gay and Obama supports their marriage is no reason to support him to be president again. That is a statement invalidated. Give other reasons. I mean who cares if he supports gay marriage, that's no reason, so that is an invalid opinion.

Are you out of your mind? If that isn't a perfectly valid reason for supporting somebody, then been living under a rock for the majority of my life, crawled out a few years ago, peeked at the sun, screamed, then crawled back under until yesterday. I could apply that flawed logic you just pulled out of deep left field and use it on anything. I could go and say "who the fuck cares if that cop thinks crack is bad, I like it!" Or I could go and say "who cares if beplubber24 says that Bill Clinton lead us into a recession." It's a perfectly acceptable reason for thinking he's a good president - saying that's invalid is basically saying that people who supported Lincoln in freeing slaves were wrongfully supporting him because that is not a "good" reason to support somebody. Get a grip, man. You want to have a debate, at least try to bring it.

[beplubber24]

Opinion: A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. How can someone's viewpoint be wrong? It may -seem- wrong to you, but that doesn't make them incorrect.

Why is gay marriage reason nobody cares about? Yourself ≠ Everyone.

Whatever, just tying to knock some sense in this dude. Just saying Obama is only doing this for publicity because a mere two years ago, he was anti-gay marriage. Think about it.

[Professional Russian]

Whatever, just tying to knock some sense in this dude. Just saying Obama is only doing this for publicity because a mere two years ago, he was anti-gay marriage. Think about it.

I dont think that supporting gay marriage is a good reason to call obama the greatest president but i cant say that is isnt everyone has their own opinion

[StoppingTime]

Whatever, just tying to knock some sense in this dude. Just saying Obama is only doing this for publicity because a mere two years ago, he was anti-gay marriage. Think about it.

That has nothing to do with your argument....

[scer123]

Just putting it out there, but Coolidge was a pretty boss president. He over heard a reporter betting that they could get more than 3 words out of him. He went up to them and said, "You lose," and walked away. He's also been photographed with a boy scout uniform while wearing an Indian headdress. Also, he has a plethora of pets and had an electronic horse installed in the White House. Although he's part of the "Old-Guard" republicanism of the 20's, he's one pretty cool president...Thank you AP US History...

[Sugaree]

Just putting it out there, but Coolidge was a pretty boss president. He over heard a reporter betting that they could get more than 3 words out of him. He went up to them and said, "You lose," and walked away. He's also been photographed with a boy scout uniform while wearing an Indian headdress. Also, he has a plethora of pets and had an electronic horse installed in the White House. Although he's part of the "Old-Guard" republicanism of the 20's, he's one pretty cool president...Thank you AP US History...

I take back what I said about James Monroe. Coolidge actually got rid of all the contagious bullshit of the Harding administration (The Ohio Gang, Teapot Dome, Veteran's bureau, and the Justice Department).

[Noirtier]

I take back what I said about James Monroe. Coolidge actually got rid of all the contagious bullshit of the Harding administration (The Ohio Gang, Teapot Dome, Veteran's bureau, and the Justice Department).

That's one reason I've always admired Coolidge, having to fix all the chaos Harding left behind.

[Sugaree]

That's one reason I've always admired Coolidge, having to fix all the chaos Harding left behind.

It wasn't really Harding's fault though. I think he just surrounded himself with a bad staff who took advantage of him. Harding WAS pretty naive though.

[Noirtier]

It wasn't really Harding's fault though. I think he just surrounded himself with a bad staff who took advantage of him. Harding WAS pretty naive though.

Oh I agree completely. Harding really did have good intentions when coming into office, he was just entirely unqualified for the position of president and didn't see the potential consequences of appointing all his old newspaper buddies as his cabinet members. He was certainly naive in what he did. Towards the end of his term before he died he began going around the country trying to straighten up what he had caused. He didn't intend for any of that corruption to happen, he just made bad decisions when appointing members of his cabinet. And those cabinet members took advantage of that. His choice of Coolidge as vice president was probably one of the best decisions he ever made though.

[wolfguy]

any but obama sorry

[Sugaree]

any but obama sorry

And please give us a reason why? And don't make it something that's already been brought up in this thread.

[kenoloor]

any but obama sorry

You're apologizing for an opinion for which you haven't even provided a basis? ROTW, you never cease to amaze.

[PinkFloyd]

George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Bill Clinton (badass)

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Wow.... you apparently need history lessons, that's just stealing off Rushmore @ rob.
Thomas Jefferson (he bought half of the U.S. from France)
Franklin Delano Roosevelt (he saved America's economy from turmoil.)< Best
And... Andrew Jackson (he fought bravely in the war of 1812, and he destroyed the Second Bank of the United States) That last part might be inaccurate.
Best candidate today.... not Romney or Obama... that third guy that I forgot the name of! Romney- homophobe that will ruin U.S. business affairs, and do some damage to our economy.
Obama- FAKE that will ruin our economy with Obamacare.

[Pittfan43]

Anyone but Obama. I hate how we are giving money that we don't have to people that don't and won't work. And h had to have a birth certificate made so he could be president.

ROMNEY 2012!