atheism

[dmb1996]

do people realy distrust atheists?

[Professional Russian]

Me being an atheist i dont know some people trust me some people dont. I think the people that are super religious dont like us because they actually do believe an ultimate god as where we dont. They probably wouldnt trust because of that reason alone.

[Mortal Coil]

Some people equate atheism with moral bankruptcy, therefore someone might not trust an atheist to make moral decisions.
I am not one of those people, and would actually say that I tend to trust atheists more.

[dudz101996]

atheists should also be treated equally but on the other hand some people are stil not trusting them.

[Korashk]

do people realy distrust atheists?
Yeah, a recent-ish survey found that people (Americans?) think that atheists are less trustworthy than rapists (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2011/11/16/new-research-says-anti-atheist-prejudice-stems-from-distrust/).

[Thunduhbuhlt]

do people realy distrust atheists?

I wouldn't imaging most people would because I am sure that not many people go around asking what religion others follow and I don't really think that being one religion versus another will make people distrust you or look at you any differently, but I don't know.

[Sudds3]

Me being an atheist i dont know some people trust me some people dont. I think the people that are super religious dont like us because they actually do believe an ultimate god as where we dont. They probably wouldnt trust because of that reason alone.

I have athiest friends and i trust them, but some of them go around and every time something happens they go "GO ATHIESTS!" and its really annoying and it makes me want to punch them in the face! Do you know any people who do that? Or is it just those 2 insanley annoying people?

[Genghis Khan]

Yeah, a recent-ish survey found that people (Americans?) think that atheists are less trustworthy than rapists (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2011/11/16/new-research-says-anti-atheist-prejudice-stems-from-distrust/).

Fuck, that is incredible. Plus, since they mentioned University of British Columbia I'm guessing this was done in Canada? Or.. not? One should know the country in which this was carried out and the sample size. Just for validity's sake.

[Abnormal]

Do people distrust atheists? Well, if they do I'm not sure why. I'm Atheist, but I actually think of myself as very trustworthy. At least, I'm no more trustworthy than someone who practices a religion. Atheism can actually back itself up with science and evidence. So perhaps its Atheism people should be trust a lot more.

[jjsmitty]

Humans will always distrust what doesnt agree with them, and will always try to explain things even though they can't. I have nothing against those that practise religion, especially those brought up in religious households with no other option, but I contest this;
"I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible God's, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Sir Stephen F Roberts.

[Magus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7xbwAmPXxU this video I saw on my suggestions.

[FojeJC]

I don't trust atheists because I used to be one, but overall atheists control the world.
Do you trust the government? I surely don't.

[Magus]

I don't trust atheists because I used to be oneThat's not a valid argument, now is it?
but overall atheists control the world.
No they don't. Jews, Christians and Muslims do.
Do you trust the government? I surely don't.Totally irrelevant.

[Professional Russian]

No they don't. Jews, Christians and Muslims do.



What only those 3 Rule the world? I thought more did?

[Magus]

What only those 3 Rule the world? I thought more did?Who cares about the others. Do rich
and powerful Sikhs has anything to do with what's going on in the world?

Currently the ones with the Abrahamic religion. It's a common knowledge, dear.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/3ChaplainSymbols.jpg

[Professional Russian]

Who cares about the others. Do rich
and powerful Sikhs has anything to do with what's going on in the world?

Currently the ones with the Abrahamic religion. It's a common knowledge, dear.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/3ChaplainSymbols.jpg

I dont have knowledge of most common knowledge then

[Bojan]

Im an atheists and most people I know trust me

[BrassMonkey]

Im a Christian and I have a few atheist friends and people I know. My best friend who I trust a lot is an atheist. I respect other peoples beliefs and religions. If you you respect me, then I respect you, which means I can trust you. So, religions and beliefs doesnt reflect who I can trust.

[Cicero]

I think that an atheist viewpoint is more un-biased. If I want an honest straight forward answer, I'll ask an atheist. But if I want a moral opinion or an opinion with values I'd ask someone of my own religion.

[Magus]

But if I want a moral opinion or an opinion with values I'd ask someone of my own religion.Why would you do that(remember, this is a debate forum)?

[Azunite]

Do you trust the government? I surely don't.


You are forgetting the fact that the US is anything but a secular state.

[Continuum]

It depends partly on the environment you're sitting on. Most of my friends, who are supposedly 'devout' Catholics, are very lukewarm with my belief as an Agnostic. Since they are my friends, it isn't particularly harmful to tell them. There is a certain distrust even with them, but all in all, they don't usually bring the topic of Religion on the table. One of them said to me it's not too late to change. He's gonna get disappointed. :lol3:

I don't give it a second thought; we're hardwired to be hostile to those we consider not within our circle, and in this case, those that do not share our beliefs, in the first place. Why care? We're all human, after all. Beliefs or not.

I don't trust atheists because I used to be one.

Ha! I used to be a Catholic and now I don't trust Clergymen and those other bigots who kill the secularism in this country. Returning to what I've said, we're naturally hostile to those who do not share our dogmata. Only the recent surge of tolerance masks it beneath a layer of social norms.

[Thunderstorm]

It isn't tht we distrust them. It's that people don't get why Athiests don't believe in a God. Have they been failed by God? If they have, then why do they not ask for repentance? Do they not like or believe in what a religion does? Well, then pick another religion. Religion plays a major role in life, and being an Athiest is like telling god "I don't need you. You are unworthy of me. I am higher than you." That's really asking for it...

[Mordecai]

It isn't tht we distrust them. It's that people don't get why Athiests don't believe in a God. Have they been failed by God? If they have, then why do they not ask for repentance? Do they not like or believe in what a religion does? Well, then pick another religion. Religion plays a major role in life, and being an Athiest is like telling god "I don't need you. You are unworthy of me. I am higher than you." That's really asking for it...

Yeah man, I tell you you're unworthy of me and that's me asking for you to set my ass on fire. -Totally- cogent and justified by contemporary standards.

[DarkHorses]

I'm a Christian, and I don't have any problem with atheists. But I'm not really a diehard Christian either. I think the idea that atheists don't have morals is ridiculous, everyone has morals. Not all Christians are nice people, so how can all atheists be evil or immoral? It's your right to choose what you believe or don't believe in, and in the ideal world there should no judgement for what you do choose...

[Magus]

It isn't tht we distrust them. It's that people don't get why Athiests don't believe in a God. Have they been failed by God? If they have, then why do they not ask for repentance? Do they not like or believe in what a religion does? Well, then pick another religion. Religion plays a major role in life, and being an Athiest is like telling god "I don't need you. You are unworthy of me. I am higher than you." That's really asking for it...

Atheist don't believe in God, because there is not a single ounce of reasons to believe in one. It's simple as that.

And no. They don't like what religion do. And no, humans will be just as fine, or even better without religions.

[Noirtier]

I am a Christian and I do not distrust Atheists. I respect other people's religions, and believe modern day Christianity to be screwed up. It's not supposed to be about judging everyone and condemning the sinners. We are all sinners. It is supposed to be about following in the footsteps of Christ and unconditionally loving everyone, regardless of who they are and what they believe.

[All The Small Things]

Im a Christian and I have a few atheist friends and people I know. My best friend who I trust a lot is an atheist. I respect other peoples beliefs and religions. If you you respect me, then I respect you, which means I can trust you. So, religions and beliefs doesnt reflect who I can trust.

I agree with you Im Cathloic ( but I dont belevlie in some things in my religions like I have to get baptiest to go too haven god forgives you your sin every week bull shit and ect. I also think Jesus his god cuz i dont thnk there was god im there is a farther of jesus he might be god but it might have happen some were colse be the B.C .prioed ended cuz im not that dumm or brian wahsed to belevien god made earth and ect. and millions years later jesues is born :what:

[Haufen]

In Europe (Northern Europe atleast) it tends to be the religious who are distrusted, people are very 'wary' of religion here.

[Magus]

In Europe (Northern Europe atleast) it tends to be the religious who are distrusted, people are very 'wary' of religion here.

As if Andros Breivek's Island massacre wasn't enough.

[Rayquaza]

I dont see any reason to not trust anyone due to their religion or whether they believe in a god or not. I don't think many people in my neighborhood would either, I mean, we aren't that closed minded.

[Haufen]

As if Andros Breivek's Island massacre wasn't enough.

What do you mean? Are you saying that because one guy is a Christian everyone in Northern-Europe is religious?
Northern-Europe has the highest percentage of Atheism compared to theism in the world.

His name is Anders Breivik by the way.

[Magus]

What do you mean? Are you saying that because one guy is a Christian everyone in Northern-Europe is religious?
Northern-Europe has the highest percentage of Atheism compared to theism in the world.

His name is Anders Breivik by the way.

Facepalm

That's not my point. I know that little fact of yours. I pretty damn well know that Scandinavian nations are the least religious.

Why I mention Anders is because he is a right-wing Christian fundamentalist who lives in a nation where majority are atheists.

I was extrapolating the " people are very 'wary' of religion here." point you made.

[Haufen]

Facepalm

That's not my point. I know that little fact of yours. I pretty damn well know that Scandinavian nations are the least religious.

Why I mention Anders is because he is a right-wing Christian fundamentalist who lives in a nation where majority are atheists.

I was extrapolating the " people are very 'wary' of religion here." point you made.

Ah well, most people don't identify him by his christianity but more by his political views. Atleast, that's how it is here.

[Magus]

Ah well, most people don't identify him by his christianity but more by his political views. Atleast, that's how it is here.
His political views and religious views aren't far off from each other.

[Haufen]

His political views and religious views aren't far off from each other.

I'm an atheist and I agree with many of his views, not his actions ofcourse.

[Magus]

I'm an atheist and I agree with many of his views, not his actions ofcourse.Such as? Purging immigrants? Capturing Muslims and sending them back to their home? Removing every None-white person in the country?

Nice. We have atheists Nazis now a days.

[Haufen]

Such as? Purging immigrants? Capturing Muslims and sending them back to their home? Removing every None-white person in the country?

Anti-immigration and anti-islam.


Nice. We have atheists Nazis now a days.

If you would actually know anything about both the Nazis and Breivik, you would know that Breivik isn't a Nazi (he supports Israel and Jews) and that Hitler as well as other high-ranking Nazis were most likely atheistic or agnostic.

[Magus]

Anti-immigration and anti-islam.
Ah, great. No wonder.

And why is that so?
If you would actually know anything about both the Nazis and Breivik, you would know that Breivik isn't a Nazi (he supports Israel and Jews) and that Hitler as well as other high-ranking Nazis were most likely atheistic or agnostic.

Hitler was a Christian, and so was his followers--everyone knows that, dear.

And sure, any Nazism doesn't need to encompass everything. There is are neo Nazis and reforming Nazis and other Right-Wing ideologies.

I can easily call you that you a secular Rightist, from what you have said a moment ago. This is what your beloved Anders was, since his religious affiliation wasn't all that important.

Yes, people can easily cherry pick their preferred ideologies and twist it as the way they like.

Before, it was Jews, and now it is Muslims. Let's harass every one of those Hajjis. Brilliant. Genius. No. Marvelous.

I will start my own thread in due time. It seems we are steering away from the main topic.

[Haufen]

Hitler was a Christian, and so was his followers--everyone knows that, dear.


Hitler was born catholic indeed, not strange since he was born in Austria, but as an adult he never went to church, and he actually found christianity a weak and pathetic religion, he was quite hostile to catholicism and the pope as well, you're partially right on his followers though, most of them were protestant middle-class North-Germans (though almost everyone was religious back then).


Before, it was Jews, and now it is Muslims. Let's harass every one of those Hajjis. Brilliant. Genius. No. Marvelous.

If you would actually know what a destructive and worse-than-useless pest they are here you would agree with me.

[Magus]

Hitler was born catholic indeed, not strange since he was born in AustriaVery well educated on the subject, I see. Do you perhaps have an account on theapricity or stormfront?

If you would actually know what a destructive and worse-than-useless pest they are here you would agree with me.
I agree. I find religion, not just Islam, very destructive and its frantic followers as worse-than-useless pests.

So, you simply hate an Albanian just as the same as a Moroccan because they share the same religion i.e Islam, and for no other reasons? Doesn't seem quite smart or well justified as the way I see it.

Blind hatred born out of propagandist media's fabrication pierced into the masses perception. This make me utterly sick to the knees.

[Haufen]

Very well educated on the subject, I see. Do you perhaps have an account on theapricity or stormfront?

Trying to cover up the fact that you were wrong with an ad hominem. That's pretty bad.


I agree. I find religion, not just Islam, very destructive and its frantic followers as worse-than-useless pests.


There you have something that we both agree on.

Blind hatred born out of propagandist media's fabrication pierced into the masses perception. This make me utterly sick to the knees.

Actually, the media has been leaning to the left side most of the time here.
And my hatred is anything but blind, I and many other Europeans didn't hate them at all before personal experience and interaction.

This can also be seen for example in how upper class people tend to vote left/pro-immigration/pro multi-kulti, because they haven't experienced the trouble that these immigrants bring yet themselves.

[Magus]

Trying to cover up the fact that you were wrong with an ad hominem. That's pretty bad.
Ad hominem? LAWL. Kid, did you bash your head on a brick wall?

Actually, the media has been leaning to the left side most of the time here. And my hatred is anything but blind, I and many other Europeans didn't hate them at all before personal experience and interaction.You are still generalizing.

This can also be seen for example in how upper class people tend to vote left/pro-immigration/pro multi-kulti, because they haven't experienced the trouble that these immigrants bring yet themselves.Never knew that. I thought it was the upper class who didn't want all that.

Come here. Let's discuss it there, (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1760462) instead of here.

This is thread is about trusting atheist, and has nothing to do with Europe.

[beplubber24]

I don't really trust them.

[Tiggz]

i dont know many people who distust atheist i myself trust them just as equally as i would trust anyone else

[Professional Russian]

I don't really trust them.

What led you to not trusting them? Please elaborate more.

[kenoloor]

I don't really trust them.

I'm sure you have a great reason.

[Bluerhino666]

well, i know a lot of athiests and i dont distrust them, but i also know alot of rednecks who say that god is the greatest being and how everyone but white christians are terrible people. but i am seriously thinking about it latley. it makes alotof sense.

[HahaWaitWhat]

Someones religion should have nothing to do with whether or not people trust them. Just saying.

[Magus]

Someones religion should have nothing to do with whether or not people trust them. Just saying.
True. But Atheists next to Muslims are the most distrusted groups.

[BFG9001]

I'm sure you have a great reason.

Sarcasm detected.

[HahaWaitWhat]

True. But Atheists next to Muslims are the most distrusted groups.

In the eyes of most people yes, but mainly due to the fact that most people see one person from that religion acting like a douche bag or being untrustworthy and automatically think "Oh everyone from that religion must be like that".

[beplubber24]

Atheists are relentless and try to say their opinion, no matter what is right just because they have "proof", and religions, "don't" have that "proof". You call me a frantic follower, what about you, believe whatever scientists tell you because you are weak minded liberals, and say, "Oh, my opinion's right, we have homologous structures, embryonic development, and fossils. You have nothing." How are atheists allowed to teach their opinion in school, but not an in-depth look at religion, how is that not biased." Murdoc, this goes for the "Is it child abuse to teach children religion" argument too.

[Magus]

Atheists are relentless and try to say their opinion, no matter what is right just because they have "proof", and religions, "don't" have that "proof". You call me a frantic follower, what about you, believe whatever scientists tell you because you are weak minded liberals, and say, "Oh, my opinion's right, we have homologous structures, embryonic development, and fossils. You have nothing." How are atheists allowed to teach their opinion in school, but not an in-depth look at religion, how is that not biased." Murdoc, this goes for the "Is it child abuse to teach children religion" argument too.

The scientific theory of Evolution has nothing to do with Atheism. That thoery is not an opinion. It's a fact. It's that there are some Stoneheads who find to difficult to accept it because it contradicts a 2 millennia old bronze age sripture.

And this goes for Liberalism. Absolutely has nothing to do with Atheism.

[Sugaree]

Atheists are relentless and try to say their opinion, no matter what is right just because they have "proof", and religions, "don't" have that "proof". You call me a frantic follower, what about you, believe whatever scientists tell you because you are weak minded liberals, and say, "Oh, my opinion's right, we have homologous structures, embryonic development, and fossils. You have nothing." How are atheists allowed to teach their opinion in school, but not an in-depth look at religion, how is that not biased." Murdoc, this goes for the "Is it child abuse to teach children religion" argument too.

And I find it great that you cry out that I hinder your opinions and yet you're doing the same. Your opinion is just about as valid as an atheist's.

[abdheuuuchjc]

Coming from an apathetic agnostic(i lean more towards science) the non religious are persecuted. Substantial proof has been shown towards evolution but none towards creation.

[ThE-bI-tEeN16]

:Dbeing athiest i'm open about it and everyone treats me fine however football teams hate me. my friend said he would beat me so hard god would hear me scream and i said well i guess no ones listening cause he isn't real...looked up and every football player was glaring lol

[AlexOnToast]

If you believe trustworthiness is dictated by religious beliefs or lack thereof, then you need to reconsider your maturity level....

[Sanctum]

yeah, i think religion is something personal and you don't have to just scream that you are religious

[Emerald Dream]

Please do not post in threads with more than two months of inactivity. :locked: