God's love

[huginnmuninn]

If God loves us so much why would he send people to burn for eternity in Hell for using free will to question him?

[Jess]

If God loves us so much why would he send people to burn for eternity in Hell for using free will to question him?

I want to know too

and if he loves everyone, including sinners, why did he have a lot of people killed, either he makes other people do it (stoning people for "sinning") or he does it himself (Noah's Ark, Great Flood)?

[BFG9001]

Why would he create us?

[Sugaree]

Why would he create us?

Entertainment.

[Truth]

Why would he create us? God is a very sadistic individual who enjoys seeing severe pain inflicted upon us, the humans, his playthings ... well, according to the bible that is.

I can't say I believe in a god, at least none of the current religious gods. Any god who exists would need to be very evil, more evil than humans... and we rape, murder, enslave, etc... each other all of the time.

[Breakeven]

if only we know :o

[NotYourSombrero]

Maybe he was bored so he created his own version of a reality TV show. His own "Hunger Games"

[UnknownError]

but isnt the devil really the good guy then since he punishes the bad people and god the bad guy cause he spoils the good guys ohhhh iunno

[Syvelocin]

It's a game of The Sims ;) You created this Sim, spent so much time making them, but there's some sick satisfaction with building a room around them without a door and watching them starve. :P

[Sudds3]

Because they reject Him and His ways. Simple. Its the peoples choice

[deadpie]

Because they reject Him and His ways. Simple. Its the peoples choice

So because they reject him they deserve to be tortured in the worst ways possible forever, so they don't learn their lesson and can't become better people. Also, no matter what religion you are you're going to hell in all the others that include one. Due to that it's kind of hard for someone to choose which religion to worship and if they wanted to they'd probably go for the one with the least painful hell or a religion without a version of hell. I don't see "Worship me or burn forever" as a good nametag on a dogma.

Really the only answer that a Christian can give you is what sudds3 said, which doesn't justify the torture of hell. The other ones I can think of is "God works in mysterious ways and his love is much more complicated and complex than we could ever imagine." Now that's just as stupid.

[Azunite]

I fucking hate this question it's too classic.

So anyway, imagine you have billions of dollars and thousands of men working under your command.
God would have billions of dollars and thousands of men working under his/her command, if he/she were human.

Would you use your force to destroy hunger?

Well, God doesn't, you don't.

See this as a test. God tests whether humans will combine their strength to fight against the evil in this world. That is something we do not do, and God simply cannot wipe out the Somalian tribes who kill people and rain steak and vegetables on those who die of hunger.

We should be having the guilty conscience. We live in this world yet we do not stop the evil, and as typical humans who hate responsibility, we blame it on something ( God ) who doesn't even live in our realm.

[Genghis Khan]

I fucking hate this question it's too classic.

So anyway, imagine you have billions of dollars and thousands of men working under your command.
God would have billions of dollars and thousands of men working under his/her command, if he/she were human.

Would you use your force to destroy hunger?

Well, God doesn't, you don't.

Why are you comparing human beings to God if the purpose of worshipping him is partly to acknowledge the fact that he's above us all? If he is above us in terms of being (and I quote el-Koran) 'most merciful, most gracious' then ending hunger (I assume) isn't very hard for a benevolent being like God.

[Azunite]

Why are you comparing human beings to God if the purpose of worshipping him is partly to acknowledge the fact that he's above us all? If he is above us in terms of being (and I quote el-Koran) 'most merciful, most gracious' then ending hunger (I assume) isn't very hard for a benevolent being like God.

Meh, the Koran compliments God a lot.

And like I have said, God can't simply drop food on Africa with parachutes. When you hear the word "Most Merciful, etc" you actually expect that but just as I said in my post, it is humanity's job, as the residents of the Earth, to defeat evil

[Smeagol]

I think that if God exists (which I don't believe he does) that he has become very inattentive of what's going on. Like, one of the nicest people I know has aspergers, and it has very negatively affected his life. My grandma dies of Alzheimers. She was also a very lovely lady and a 'good' person who always prayed and went to church. He can't be paying much attention to our lives if he is even there.

[Truth]

Meh, the Koran compliments God a lot.

And like I have said, God can't simply drop food on Africa with parachutes. When you hear the word "Most Merciful, etc" you actually expect that but just as I said in my post, it is humanity's job, as the residents of the Earth, to defeat evil So you're stating that God is not omniscient? Well, way to contradict every single religious text.

He can if he wants to... but he doesn't want to. We are not important enough to bother with, in the eyes of God.

[Cicero]

God is a very sadistic individual who enjoys seeing severe pain inflicted upon us, the humans, his playthings ... well, according to the bible that is.

I can't say I believe in a god, at least none of the current religious gods. Any god who exists would need to be very evil, more evil than humans... and we rape, murder, enslave, etc... each other all of the time.

Entertainment.

Why would he create us?

I want to know too

and if he loves everyone, including sinners, why did he have a lot of people killed, either he makes other people do it (stoning people for "sinning") or he does it himself (Noah's Ark, Great Flood)?

I think that if God exists (which I don't believe he does) that he has become very inattentive of what's going on. Like, one of the nicest people I know has aspergers, and it has very negatively affected his life. My grandma dies of Alzheimers. She was also a very lovely lady and a 'good' person who always prayed and went to church. He can't be paying much attention to our lives if he is even there.

God sends people to heaven because they chose the way they want to live. God said to follow him and you will have eternal salvation. Some people chose not to follow him. Satan was created to give us free will and a choice. If there was no Satan, we would all be robots. If people want to live their lives in sin, it's they're choice. God wants us to have that choice.

God didn't kill anyone. There is always a cause and effect. God allows things to happen, either as a consequence or as a test of their faith. But Satan is the one who makes people want to do bad/sinfull things. God flooded the earth (Noah's Ark) because it was very sinful, they we're blasphemous toward God. But for believers, getting stoned to death, is honestly, no big deal. It's a win win situation, if they don't get stoned, they get to live more time on earth. If they do get stoned to death, they get to live all of eternity with God in heaven.

Now-a-days people think of God as a magic genie. When life is going great, they are blasphemous and they don't care what sin they commit. But when something like a death or illness comes to them or someone close to them they go "Please God make this person live, pretty please, if you do I will be good for a whole day, amen". When life is good, they don't thank God for what has been blessed upon them, but when life is bad they either pray to God like he's a genie or they are blasphemous toward him.

God gives every single person on earth a chance to accept him. In the most remote areas of the world, they too get a chance to accept him. It comes down to choice. Do you want to live your life according to the bible and follow God or do you want to live how you want, do whatever you want, when you want?

And for the last quote, if your grandmother, was a true believer in the Holy Bible and accepted Jesus in her heart, she went to heaven. For her, she wasn't afraid. My grandmother was probably excited.

Everything comes with a consequence. If you decide to smoke now, expect later in life to have cancer or die young. Everything will catch up to you, if you decide to have sex with any person you see, expect to have an STD. My grandma was a heavy smoker growing up, and in her last years. She payed for it. She suffered, she had to have an oxygen tank and had to carry that around everywhere. People think they're getting away with a sin, but they aren't. God is probably allowing it to happen, and he might to punish them immediately, but he will.

If you do not believe in God or read the bible. You cannot expect to understand anything about it. If you've only read John 3:16, and you're wondering why God would send someone to hell. You need to read the bible a little more, maybe even verses that relate to hell. But the overall answer to the question...

God sends people to Hell because they chose to live they're life in sin and not repent and accept Jesus in their heart. Anyone can go to heaven, as long as they accept Jesus in they're heart. Even hitler could've gone to heaven. Why does anyone deserve eternal damnation in hell? If hitler were to truly accept Jesus in his heart though, he would've surrendered and spent his years in jail. He wouldn't have committed suicide. But that's another topic. But everyone deserves a second chance.

[Genghis Khan]

I'm only going to address a few points of the above post since most of it was preaching.

God sends people to heaven because they chose the way they want to live. God said to follow him and you will have eternal salvation. Some people chose not to follow him. Satan was created to give us free will and a choice. If there was no Satan, we would all be robots. If people want to live their lives in sin, it's they're choice. God wants us to have that choice.

But, that contradicts the point of free will. You can't tell someone they have free will when there's a choice between being in the so-called most amazing place in the universe and eternally burning. Excluding the fact that free will is not possible for scientific reasons, even if it was possible, it would not be in the given scenario because by giving people that 'choice' you're not making them free to pick, you're manipulating and convincing them.

If you do not believe in God or read the bible. You cannot expect to understand anything about it.

No. I don't require the deceit of blind faith to understand the Bible in its context. I can understand that a lot of people (atheists in particular) take the Bible out of context, but they sure as hell don't need to believe in it to understand it, that's absurd.

[Azunite]

So you're stating that God is not omniscient? Well, way to contradict every single religious text.

He can if he wants to... but he doesn't want to. We are not important enough to bother with, in the eyes of God.

God sent humans to Earth to test them. It would be useless if god sent supply wagons on Africa. It's not that simple.

[Beaker]

So you're stating that God is not omniscient? Well, way to contradict every single religious text.

He can if he wants to... but he doesn't want to. We are not important enough to bother with, in the eyes of God.


Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
(Epicurus)

One of my favourite quotes.

[BFG9001]

This is why God sucks as a concept.

[WickedWeekend]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
(Epicurus)

One of my favourite quotes.

Well.... Um.... Ah, Dammit.

Even though I'm a devout Christian, and disagree with you, I think you nailed it right there.

[Burton Guster]

Since heaven is perfect and us as humans are not. The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ. Those who don't have Jesus can not be forgiven of there sins therefore they go to hell.

[JamHaychUK]

Since heaven is perfect and us as humans are not. The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ. Those who don't have Jesus can not be forgiven of there sins therefore they go to hell.

That... doesn't really answer the question the OP asked, though.

Plus, sin is relative. An "unforgivable sin" to one human might be a perfectly normal part of another human's culture, and vice versa. Hardly a valid reason to support the never-ending torture of someone.

[Jess]

Since heaven is perfect and us as humans are not. The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ. Those who don't have Jesus can not be forgiven of there sins therefore they go to hell.

so those that never heard of Jesus will get eternal punishment? yeah VERY fair >_>

[boonsim]

If God loves us so much why would he send people to burn for eternity in Hell for using free will to question him?

*cough* Because he doesn't exist! *cough*

Also, how do we know there is a hell? There's only one way to find out...

[Jean Poutine]

Because it's a bright summer day, and we're ants scurrying about near our little anthill. God, if any, is a little douche with a psychotic hatred for insects and a magnifying glass.

Just Occam's Razor the question and the answer is obvious : because there's no such thing as an omnipotent God who wants to protect our tiny human butts. God is a superstition among many others, and is equally as credible as black cats, Friday 13th and walking under ladders.

When children misbehave, you threaten them. When followers misbehave, you threaten them. It's the oldest form of psychological control around the block.

Why does God have a gender anyway? It's not like he has any use for a male reproductive tract. There's no Godette for God to fuck. So if we were created in his image, why the hell do we have a penis? You'd think an highly powerful and evolved entity such as God, who has no need for reproductive organs, would either not have them or would have residual gonads, ie. not functioning since he clearly does not need them anymore, like our appendice. But apparently God's image has a fully functional schlong.

Why does God feel anyway? How can he feel emotions? I'll have you know that emotions are quite detrimental when ruling something. Decisions must be made swiftly and neutrally. If God was to be our father, why the hell does he have emotions? And where do they come from? Emotions are hormonal reactions. Does God have hormones? Shouldn't natural selection have taken care of that already, like with his penor, to make him a fitter father? So are we to imagine God also has a fully functional brain, like us?

Then why the hell is he omnipotent and able to create shit? If his brain is just like ours, then shouldn't we be able to create worlds in 6 days too? Or maybe "made in God's image" means just that and means we lack the capabilities of God, but then why do we have a functioning penis while God logically would not? Why are we more complete than God in this regard? Or maybe God is actually more complete than us and a dead johnson is our future because sexual desires are backwards and yadda yadda.

Then God intended for us to die off. What an asshole. <- this is your answer.

[Iron Man]

I don't believe in God, but if I did, I would say that he would encourage free thinking, to observe how his "creation" is forming itself.

[ChicagoBlackhawksFan]

*cough* Because he doesn't exist! *cough*

Also, how do we know there is a hell? There's only one way to find out...

God does exist.

And of course I get a bad rep in this tread -_-.

If a mod sees this delete this please. my comment.

[huginnmuninn]

God does exist.

let's not turn this into a "Is God real?" debate please