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Amnesiac
May 9th, 2012, 12:16 AM
Initial results show North Carolina has approved a constitutional amendment effectively banning same-sex marriage or civil unions.

The issue raised voter turnout on an otherwise uncontested primary day.

With 74% of precincts reporting, more than 60% had voted to strengthen the gay marriage ban, with just under 40% opposing it.

Recent polling had suggested the ban would pass, defining marriage as only between a man and a woman.

North Carolina law already bans gay marriage but the vote enshrines this in the constitution.

Recent comments in favour of gay marriage by US Vice-President Joe Biden had reignited debate over the issue.

President Barack Obama has not taken a position on gay marriage, with his views described as "evolving".

Days before the primary, high-profile supporters on both sides attempted to make their views heard.

Former President Bill Clinton recorded phone messages urging voters to reject the amendment.

Meanwhile, a statement in support of the ban by the Reverend Billy Graham appeared in 14 North Carolina newspapers over the weekend.


Early ballots

Voting in North Carolina ended at 19:30 EST (23:30 GMT) on Tuesday, and the state had already received over 500,000 early votes and absentee ballots.

Joe Easterling, who described himself as a devout Christian, told the Associated Press he voted for the amendment.

"I think it is important that the state of North Carolina's laws are compatible with the laws of nature but, more importantly, with the laws of God," Mr Easterling said.

Another supporter told the Charlotte Observer: "Our church has taken a stand on this."

Linda Toanone, an opponent of the amendment, argued that "everybody should have the same rights as everyone else. If you're gay, lesbian, straight - whatever".

With the passage of the amendment, North Carolina becomes the 29th state to use its state constitution to explicitly ban gay unions.

While including a ban in the constitution would make it more difficult to overturn than the existing law, one state legislator said changing times would eventually undermine the measure.

"It's a generational issue," State House Speaker Thom Tillis told a student group at North Carolina State University in March. "If it passes, I think it will be repealed within 20 years."

Eight states and the District of Columbia allow gay and lesbian couples to marry. Same-sex marriage laws have passed this year in New Jersey, Maryland and Washington state.

New Jersey governor Chris Christie vetoed his state's law, while opponents have promised challenges to Maryland and Washington's laws.

The North Carolina vote came shortly after Mr Biden said he was "absolutely comfortable" with same-sex married couples having the same rights as other married couples.

On Monday, Education Secretary Arne Duncan also spoke of his unequivocal support for same-sex marriage.

Mr Obama has previously backed gay rights and civil unions but has stopped short of supporting marriage.

White House press secretary Jay Carney said on Tuesday that Mr Obama's positions were "consistent with his belief that it is wrong to take actions that would deny rights to LGBT citizens or rescind rights already provided".

The president faces increasing pressure from advocacy groups and from donors to his re-election campaign, many of whom see gay rights as a key issue.

This action is inexcusable and in complete violation of the Enlightenment values the United States is based on in the first place. The majority voting on the rights of a minority? Absolutely disgusting.

Source: BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17997794)

Sugaree
May 9th, 2012, 01:19 AM
Preparing for liberal hate train.

green
May 9th, 2012, 06:25 AM
GET THE FUCK OVER IT! as he said, 20 years time, most likely not gonna be in place anymore. Its generational. once the majority of parliament is of a new generation gays can marry as much as they want.

James995
May 9th, 2012, 06:49 AM
Ugh. I don't get it. Straight people seem to hate gay people for being gay...I don't see gay people hating straight people for being straight?

Mortal Coil
May 9th, 2012, 06:52 AM
I don't see gay people hating straight people for being straight?

Actually, they do. I remember a comment on one news article about bullying that said, and I quote, "God I hate straight people..."

But yeah. This is fucking disgusting. Over 60% wanted to ban it? What the fuck, America?

Lights
May 9th, 2012, 11:43 AM
North Carolina has announced today that it's changing its name because having two Carolinas together is wrong.

jjsmitty
May 9th, 2012, 12:00 PM
Dear 60%, remind me again how gay marriage directly affects you?


Sincerely, 40%

James995
May 9th, 2012, 12:36 PM
America was created upon the idea of have freedom of religion. This "constitutional" ban was voted on by people who likely voted against it for religious reasons. This is the exact reason that I'm apatheistic. If there were a god, I wouldn't care. I'm on this planet as a human, not a spirit. If there were proof that there wasn't a god, so be it. I still wouldn't care.

Gaybaby94
May 9th, 2012, 03:08 PM
Fucken ignorant hicks want to deny my most basic human right!!!!!!!! Absoluelty disgusting.

Jess
May 9th, 2012, 03:11 PM
what the hell? -_-

"I think it is important that the state of North Carolina's laws are compatible with the laws of nature but, more importantly, with the laws of God," Mr Easterling said

pfft laws of God? not everyone is freaking Christian! and isn't one of the "laws of God" not to judge people and to love everyone?


can't believe so many people want a ban!! ugh


Dear 60%, remind me again how gay marriage directly affects you?


Sincerely, 40%

this. this this.

Peace God
May 9th, 2012, 05:10 PM
Preparing for liberal hate train.
WTF? What are you trying to prove?
Anti-homophobia is the fucking "liberal hate train"??

Obviously, there's people that feel passionately about this. My questions are: Unless you're anti-lgbt... why would you need to prepare for it? and why would you label it "hate"?

Since, im pretty sure you're not anti-lgbt and just trying to sound edgy i'll just say this...you're not advancing any novel way of thinking, just the same backwards view that suggests minorities standing up for their rights is somehow a hateful act. Your condesencding nature towards these people (the vocal and "hateful" ones) only hurts the LGBT community as a whole. Your primary concern seems to be how comfortable the majority is during this transition and you seem to think the rights should be given at the discretion and courtesy of the very system that denies those rights....FUCK THAT.

The actual hateful people that pushed for this dont deserve respect and i dont give a shit if they're hated back for it. You should get your priorities straight man, that "liberal hate train" shit just because people stand up for basic rights belongs over in stormfront.

Ok ok maybe you dont really mean it and im just having a shitty short tempered day...but i dont get why the fuck anyone would say that unless they're against LGBTs. And I know you're not so I'm just like wtf, why would you hate lgbt activism enough to say something so counterproductive?

/rubbedthewrongfuckingway

Amnesiac
May 9th, 2012, 05:18 PM
GET THE FUCK OVER IT! as he said, 20 years time, most likely not gonna be in place anymore. Its generational. once the majority of parliament is of a new generation gays can marry as much as they want.

I don't see it being that simple. A lot of things have changed since the Sexual Revolution back in the 60s, but homophobia is still a powerful force that's engraved into many communities in the U.S. The North Carolina ban is a big deal because it's an example of how the progress that's being made in the gay rights movement definitely isn't happening everywhere, and that it's still very easy for minorities to be discriminated against by the flawed concept of "majority rule".

Every legislative step backwards, like this one, will make gay rights increasingly difficult to promote throughout the country. It's not as simple as everything being passed over to the next generation, even though the end of baby-boomer rule will mean a huge expansion in gay rights.

Besides, why wait twenty years? The only way equality for LGBT people will come into place is if people fight against shit like this and publicize the movement. Just ignoring it, as if everything's magically going to be solved in 20 years, will only hurt the movement.

Sugaree
May 9th, 2012, 06:56 PM
Ok ok maybe you dont really mean it and im just having a shitty short tempered day...but i dont get why the fuck anyone would say that unless they're against LGBTs. And I know you're not so I'm just like wtf, why would you hate lgbt activism enough to say something so counterproductive?

I was making a joke since the majority of this site is incredibly liberal when it comes to social issues, especially ones concerning LGBT. I have no problem with them hating this decision, because I hate it too; but all you're going to read in this thread is either:

1. Bashing those who supported this
2. Bashing religion
3. Claiming ignorance on those who voted for it (mostly because people here disagree with that choice)

Peace God
May 9th, 2012, 06:59 PM
1. Fuck them
2. Fuck it
3. They are

JackShephard
May 9th, 2012, 07:44 PM
Ok, with the whole christian guy. What exactly makes people panic when the topic of gay marriage comes into play? Gay marriage is not going to change anything in the church and gay couples are probably going to be together anyway. Yes. Doing the "unthinkable": sex. I hope you realize that was sarcasm. Although I believe in a god, religion and government cannot coexist. Therefor people should be making decisions for the people. Not for their own spiritual beliefs. One day, this will blow over. I'm confident that gay rights will be socially acceptable someday and we can see past this fog of ignorance.

Jupiter
May 9th, 2012, 08:42 PM
Um. not cool. :(

makes me sad for america. :/

Noxail
May 9th, 2012, 10:04 PM
:rolleyes: That's good old hillbilly hell North Carolina. Ugh. I love the land, but I hate the people. I think the whole thing is stupid. Let a sleeping dog lie. Homosexuals arn't hurting anyone, so why try to restrict what they do? It's like Nazi Germany all over again.

Sugaree
May 9th, 2012, 10:33 PM
:rolleyes: That's good old hillbilly hell North Carolina. Ugh. I love the land, but I hate the people. I think the whole thing is stupid. Let a sleeping dog lie. Homosexuals arn't hurting anyone, so why try to restrict what they do? It's like Nazi Germany all over again.

No, if it were like Nazi Germany, you would have a government ruled by a supreme leader who would limit the freedoms of all individuals.

boonsim
May 9th, 2012, 11:10 PM
Homophobe logic is ridiculous.

Let's defend "traditional marriage":

Husband+Wife+Wife+Wife > Husband+Husband

*facepalm*