Girl having her dad's baby and in love

[xXl0sth0peXx]

Penny Lawrence claims to be in love with her dad and she is proud she is. The pair were pictured smiling and hugging each other under the headline “I’m pregnant with my dad’s baby and we are so in love.” For the record, it tells how a Dublin man, Garry Ryan, was 18 when his girlfriend fell pregnant. Her family wouldn't let them marry, so he went off to the States and never saw the daughter.

The girl, Penny Lawrence, grew up and after her mother's death she set out to find her missing father. When they eventually met, reports The Sun's Dulcie Pearce, they "both felt an immediate sexual attraction."

She continues: "Within days they began an incestuous - and illegal - affair, though they each claim to be suffering from the psychological condition Genetic Sexual Attraction or GSA."

Penny is 28 and Garry is 46, and they live as a couple. She is quoted as saying: "I'm in love with Garry and desperately want his baby. But we have agreed that if my three-month scan shows a birth defect, we will terminate the pregnancy."

Link (http://smssenda.com/sms/blogs/43-news/256-im-pregnant-with-my-dads-baby-and-we-are-so-in-love-penny)

That's nasty, and sick about terminating the pregnancy. Awful. >_<

[Jupiter]

this is strange. >.<

[Wooba]

That's so disgusting.

[Erasmus]

wow. im actually kind of speechless.

[Mortal Coil]

This is just a tiny bit creepy. *shudders*

[Efflorescence]

Messed up. I hope they lock them up. in an asylum. not in the same room.

[Jabbawocke]

Hey it's her choice, it's not like the dad forced her or something. Though the terminating part is.. y'know, unncessecary. Just use a condom ffs

[Stronger]

This is just a tiny bit creepy. *shudders*

Tiny bit isn't right :P, this is just distrubing, really shouln't be getting pregnate at all. :X

[xXl0sth0peXx]

Hey it's her choice, it's not like the dad forced her or something. Though the terminating part is.. y'know, unncessecary. Just use a condom ffs

They wanted the baby though, so a condom wouldn't work in this case. :P

They're gonna terminate if the baby has a genetic disorder which is common when two people related (anything before second cousins i think) have a kid.

[KewlKat]

that is so disturbing....:yuck:

[Desuetude]

Hey it's her choice, it's not like the dad forced her or something. Though the terminating part is.. y'know, unncessecary. Just use a condom ffs

Urr it's incest which is illegal, right? It wouldn't matter whether the Dad forced her or not.
They want a baby, like Val said, it's not like it was unplanned or anything. They just wouldn't want it if there was something unsual (disorder) about it which I think is the most sick part. I mean you have a baby and no matter who it's with or what it's like you should keep it. It's your baby so don't kill it because there may be something wrong with it.
This is honestly messed up, they need to get that sorted I bet they're already getting a lot of hate.

[Jess]

this reminds me of finding out earlier today that Woody Allen married his adopted Korean daughter...o_o

that is just messed up...imagine if she does have the baby and the baby doesn't have any problems, what would the child think when he/she grows up? o_O

[Smeagol]

This is just... gah...

[Korashk]

Oh no! Two consenting adults are in a loving relationship!

People need to calm down.

[StoppingTime]

Oh no! Two consenting adults are in a loving relationship!

People need to calm down.

And yet, that doesn't make it any less weird.

[Jhcx]

That is wrong :eek:

But whats even worse is the part about termination. Christ if my parents said that i wouldn't be here Theres nothing wrong with a defect. might not even be life threatening. Stupid people makes me mad to think there going to end a life on something like that.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Link (http://smssenda.com/sms/blogs/43-news/256-im-pregnant-with-my-dads-baby-and-we-are-so-in-love-penny)

That's nasty, and sick about terminating the pregnancy. Awful. >_<
I saw this in the news...ew. I am pretty sure this is illegal in so many ways.

[Sugaree]

Oh yes, all the gods forbid that two people who are related become involved in a fully consenting and loving relationship. Leave them alone. If they wanna scrape the gene pool, let them.

[Mortal Coil]

Oh yes, all the gods forbid that two people who are related become involved in a fully consenting and loving relationship. Leave them alone. If they wanna scrape the gene pool, let them.

Thank you.
While I stand by what I said earlier about this being creepy, it's their choice.

[Efflorescence]

Oh yes, all the gods forbid that two people who are related become involved in a fully consenting and loving relationship. Leave them alone. If they wanna scrape the gene pool, let them.

Thank you.
While I stand by what I said earlier about this being creepy, it's their choice.

Lol. Oh of course. Except that she wants a baby and this child is going to grow up knowing that his fuckin dad is his grandad and his mum is his sister. Oh..and if his mum/sister decides to have another baby with daddy/grandad,the baby will be his brother and his uncle. And a lot of other crap.

I don't give a damn about them. But the child is bound to suffer and I'm already feeling sorry for him. It's a situation which I don't wish on anybody. Besides, it's illegal, and they knew it so they're bound to get arrested. They asked for it.

[Truth]

Oh yes, all the gods forbid that two people who are related become involved in a fully consenting and loving relationship. Leave them alone. If they wanna scrape the gene pool, let them. It would be completely morally sound... IF they weren't planning to bring a child into this world, from their fucked up relationship.

The child will be ridiculed his entire life, he will be emotionally scarred knowing his father is his grandfather, and he will definitely have some sort of mental illness or birth defect.

It is absolutely horrendous that they would put a child through such torture, for their own enjoyment. You don't bring a child into a home that isn't appropriate for the child to happily live in.

[Sugaree]

It is absolutely horrendous that they would put a child through such torture, for their own enjoyment. You don't bring a child into a home that isn't appropriate for the child to happily live in.

It is, but why start complaining when this story came up? Millions of children are born into abusive families, which causes them to live in an environment that they can not be happy in. They go through mental anguish and suffering, often not even speaking up about what happens in their home because they're afraid.

Besides, if they want the child to be ridiculed his/her entire life, you can't really do anything about it. As parents, they have the right to decide what they feel is best for their child. As much as I don't agree with it, I really have no basis to tell them what they can and cannot do.

[UnknownError]

hot and dangerous.

and if i was a woman i would probably abort a baby if it was going to have problems, better than having it grow up unhappy.

[Cicero]

This was on Law & Order: SVU

It's very strange, but it's more common than people think (I'm not saying its common, just more common than what the general perception is). But I think it's extremely strange, and gross.

[LuckyEddy]

Eh, I've seen worse.

[johnnyd]

Yeah, its somewhat strange, but who are we to judge? I have no problem with two, consenting adults having a relationship, no matter their connection. On the other hand, I think it is unwise and unfair to have a child who will most likely have some sort of genetic defect.

[Genghis Khan]

It is, but why start complaining when this story came up? Millions of children are born into abusive families, which causes them to live in an environment that they can not be happy in. They go through mental anguish and suffering, often not even speaking up about what happens in their home because they're afraid.

Wow man that just sounds like you're saying there's no point complaining about it because other people suffer too. If that's what you meant, I think that's ridiculous, this needs equal criticism to that of articles highlighting other abusive parent stories. I completely disagree with them bringing a child into this world this way. I don't care what your personal love life is, but when you're bringing a child into a situation which is not only going to make him subject to ridicule but is genetically detrimental to him too, I think it's a huge fucking deal.

Besides, if they want the child to be ridiculed his/her entire life, you can't really do anything about it. As parents, they have the right to decide what they feel is best for their child. As much as I don't agree with it, I really have no basis to tell them what they can and cannot do.

Seriously? Now you're defending abusive parenting? What if my father decided to rape my ass? Would you seriously say that he has the right to do it because he's my father? Of course you have a premise to tell him what to do, you're a citizen with (I hope) a good understanding of what can be psychologically detrimental to your child, and when it's at this level it'd be stupid to not let people interfere in their lives.

I don't understand why it's illegal to give your baby particular names but it isn't illegal to do something like this. I'd much rather be named Fucking Ahmed Douchebag than live my life with (probably) a genetic malfunction and knowing that my grandfather is my father. The kind of societal suicide I'd receive will chronically drive me to my own suicide. I absolutely don't see how this is fair to the child.

[HeroesAndCons]

ewwww that is nasty

[Clawhammer]

As Mark Twain said...
"Damn these human beings; if I had invented them I would go hide my head in a bag."

[Sugaree]

Wow man that just sounds like you're saying there's no point complaining about it because other people suffer too. If that's what you meant, I think that's ridiculous, this needs equal criticism to that of articles highlighting other abusive parent stories. I completely disagree with them bringing a child into this world this way. I don't care what your personal love life is, but when you're bringing a child into a situation which is not only going to make him subject to ridicule but is genetically detrimental to him too, I think it's a huge fucking deal.

That's not what I meant, actually. What I meant was why do people only complain when the issue arises in articles such as this, yet fail to recognize it in real life. The attitude people have taken towards this story is disgusting. It's like those users on Facebook who think that liking a picture of a child with cancer will actually donate a dollar to their cause. People only care when the issue is put in front of them in such a manner that upsets them in some way. I know people now who are talking about this and they honestly think this is the only case of abusive parenting worth talking about. Yet if you were to show these same people a four year old child being beaten with a belt by their father or mother, they'd turn the other cheek and call it parenting.

No, I don't fully support their decision to have a child. Inbreeding is absolutely disgusting and should discredit anybody who does it. But what can you do about it? Force the father into a vasectomy and the mother to get her tubes tied? What it all boils down to is their personal choice to have a child. I don't like it, you don't like it, but what can we do about it? The only other option would be to forcefully take the child into social services so it can have a relatively normal life.


Seriously? Now you're defending abusive parenting? What if my father decided to rape my ass? Would you seriously say that he has the right to do it because he's my father? Of course you have a premise to tell him what to do, you're a citizen with (I hope) a good understanding of what can be psychologically detrimental to your child, and when it's at this level it'd be stupid to not let people interfere in their lives.

I'm not defending abusive parenting, I'm defending their right to make a choice. I don't agree with the choice and I believe that them bringing a child into their relationship is absolutely disgusting. But why would it affect someone outside of that relationship? Yes, I'm worried about the child because everyone that knows that his father is his grandfather or that his mother is also his sister are going to make him into an outcast. But there's nothing we can really do to change that and there's no point in trying to change it. The child can still lead a semi-normal life, but that scar is going to be there. All we can hope for is that the parents know the repercussions of having a child and that they raise it to the best of their abilities.

[PoseidonX43]

this is just.. gag..

[Iris]

if you were to show these same people a four year old child being beaten with a belt by their father or mother, they'd turn the other cheek and call it parenting.

If you were to show some people a four year old child being raised by a male guardian that is both his father and his grandfather, and a female guardian that is both his mother and his sister, and is subject to intense societal and emotional torment, they'd turn the other cheek and call it the parents' rights.

Just because this type of abuse isn't as clear-cut as the former, does not negate the fact that it is abuse. The child has human rights too. He/she should not have to undergo what he/she will because of his/her parents' stupid decisions. There is something we can do. It's illegal for a reason.

[Sugaree]

If you were to show some people a four year old child being raised by a male guardian that is both his father and his grandfather, and a female guardian that is both his mother and his sister, and is subject to intense societal and emotional torment, they'd turn the other cheek and call it the parents' rights.

Just because this type of abuse isn't as clear-cut as the former, does not negate the fact that it is abuse. The child has human rights too. He/she should not have to undergo what he/she will because of his/her parents' stupid decisions. There is something we can do. It's illegal for a reason.

But what's the point in making two people of immediate relation having a child illegal? It's fucked up, yes, but why make it against the law? It's highly intrusive on the personal life of the individual.

No, this isn't as clear-cut as most abuse. I still acknowledge that it IS abuse, but there's hardly anything you can do to effectively punish the parents.

[Mzor203]

I'm going to have to play devil's advocate here along with Matt, because someone needs to.

There exist two potential problems with having a child of an incestuous relationship. The first is the risk of genetic disorder. The second is the risk that society will scorn the child, and it will be brought up believing that it is different, weird, wrong.

They have already stated that they will abort if there are signs of disorder at three months. Whether you agree with that or not is another conversation entirely, but you have to admit it cleans up the first issue mostly. Still possible that disorders could form past that point, but yea.

The second point is what is being debated here. Most of you are just jumping up and saying "This is wrong/disgusting!" (A huge argumentative fallacy, by the way. If you are at all interested in debate, please for the love of satan learn HOW to debate.) A lot of you are comparing it to child abuse. Here is why that argument doesn't hold water:

Let's take physical abuse as an example. Parents bring a child into the world. This child has no say as to the situation they are brought into; they just show up one day, and start growing up, but then at some point they start being beaten, neglected, etc. This is bad. There is no arguing this is bad because harm is directly being done unto the child by the people who created it in the first place.

Now we come to the "abuse" of bearing a child as the result of an incestuous relationship. If the baby comes out healthy, it does its thing, learning and growing as any child is. It is most likely nurtured and loved by its parents. But then as it grows up, people talk about it, say rude things about it. Bullying starts as it grows, it is constantly tormented, and the trauma can almost be as bad as physical abuse in terms of a healthily growing child.

So the outcome is the same, but there is one very big important difference: The aggressor.

In the first case, the child is abused by those that decided to bring it into the world without any say in the matter.

In the second, the child is abused by society.

If you don't see the irony, stop and think for a second. If you still don't get the irony, then you have no place in this debate because you're simply not intelligent enough.

In case you didn't, the aggressors in the second instance are the VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE DENOUNCING THE SITUATION AS ABUSIVE. What the fuck? The situation could be completely normal for the growing child if people like you didn't immediately go "eww" or "that's fucked up" without stopping to think things through.

In conclusion, society could just learn some common fucking sense instead of turning the situation into a catch-22. This does NOT mean you have to change your views on the whole issue, but what's going on here reminds me way too much of overly religious people hating on homosexuals with absolutely no right to.

I'd like to disclaim that my personal views on this subject are that incestuous relationships shouldn't happen because of the risk of child defects, however, that doesn't stop me from using a bit of logic before opening my mouth and spouting out the first thing i can think of.

[Genghis Khan]

I really don't care if it's intrusive to their personal rights, their personal rights are being imposed on the life of a child. Both, this and other forms of abusing parenting need to be taken seriously. I see your point Matt, about people turning the other cheek when parents hit their children and I completely agree that those forms of abuse need to be taken into account too but really, I'm not that big a believer in personal freedoms that I would allow something like this to happen.

Although, side note. One could make the same case for gay marriage and if they should have the right to adopt, I mean, gay couples are looked down upon too. So should they not be able to adopt? Fuck.

[Truth]

I'm going to have to play devil's advocate here along with Matt, because someone needs to.

There exist two potential problems with having a child of an incestuous relationship. The first is the risk of genetic disorder. The second is the risk that society will scorn the child, and it will be brought up believing that it is different, weird, wrong.

They have already stated that they will abort if there are signs of disorder at three months. Whether you agree with that or not is another conversation entirely, but you have to admit it cleans up the first issue mostly. Still possible that disorders could form past that point, but yea.

The second point is what is being debated here. Most of you are just jumping up and saying "This is wrong/disgusting!" (A huge argumentative fallacy, by the way. If you are at all interested in debate, please for the love of satan learn HOW to debate.) A lot of you are comparing it to child abuse. Here is why that argument doesn't hold water:

Let's take physical abuse as an example. Parents bring a child into the world. This child has no say as to the situation they are brought into; they just show up one day, and start growing up, but then at some point they start being beaten, neglected, etc. This is bad. There is no arguing this is bad because harm is directly being done unto the child by the people who created it in the first place.

Now we come to the "abuse" of bearing a child as the result of an incestuous relationship. If the baby comes out healthy, it does its thing, learning and growing as any child is. It is most likely nurtured and loved by its parents. But then as it grows up, people talk about it, say rude things about it. Bullying starts as it grows, it is constantly tormented, and the trauma can almost be as bad as physical abuse in terms of a healthily growing child.

So the outcome is the same, but there is one very big important difference: The aggressor.

In the first case, the child is abused by those that decided to bring it into the world without any say in the matter.

In the second, the child is abused by society.

If you don't see the irony, stop and think for a second. If you still don't get the irony, then you have no place in this debate because you're simply not intelligent enough.

In case you didn't, the aggressors in the second instance are the VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE DENOUNCING THE SITUATION AS ABUSIVE. What the fuck? The situation could be completely normal for the growing child if people like you didn't immediately go "eww" or "that's fucked up" without stopping to think things through.

In conclusion, society could just learn some common fucking sense instead of turning the situation into a catch-22. This does NOT mean you have to change your views on the whole issue, but what's going on here reminds me way too much of overly religious people hating on homosexuals with absolutely no right to.

I'd like to disclaim that my personal views on this subject are that incestuous relationships shouldn't happen because of the risk of child defects, however, that doesn't stop me from using a bit of logic before opening my mouth and spouting out the first thing i can think of. You honestly are expecting kids aged 5 to 18 years old to understand incestuous relationships enough to not ridicule the child his entire life?

You expect too much of children.

[Iris]

But what's the point in making two people of immediate relation having a child illegal? It's fucked up, yes, but why make it against the law? It's highly intrusive on the personal life of the individual.

No, this isn't as clear-cut as most abuse. I still acknowledge that it IS abuse, but there's hardly anything you can do to effectively punish the parents.

Why do the individual rights of the parents come before the rights of their child? The child is human too, and the notion that the parents can force whatever life they'd like onto their child without any consideration to the suffering of that child is unjust. It's ridiculous how society allows parents to own their kids, to do practically anything to them simply because they are their legal guardians. Rights and freedoms of one individual is always curbed when it infringes on the rights and freedoms of another. I don't see why this shouldn't apply here too.

This isn't about punishing the parents as much as it's about saving the child. They should give up the child for adoption, or give him/her over to a different family member who is more responsible than these too.

[green]

The human rights of the parents come before the child for one reason....the child is not yet a living thing.
if the child does not yet have a heart beat how can you impose human rights on it. Fucking dumbarses who think "oh abortion is wrong, you are murdering children!"

[Lyra Heartstrings]

I genuinely hope people don't look down on the Irish for this. It's just a stupid person..

[Fourth Dimension]

all i can say is wow

[Abnormal]

To be completely honest? I am somewhat disgusted by this. Not only are incestuous relationships morally wrong it is biologically wrong. The Westermarck effect, or reverse sexual imprinting, is a hypothetical psychological effect through which people who live in close domestic proximity during the first few years of their lives(family members) become desensitized to later sexual attraction. You wanna know why that happens? Because our brains are basically saying HELL NO to incest due to the fact that if that girl and her father end up having a baby? It will be a seriously messed up one. Genetically that baby would be in for a world of pain growing up in the world, having both physically AND mental defects. That should be criminal.

[Breakeven]

o__O

[Carolyn]

This made me sick :(

[hotsauce12]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Yea, its wrong, but the child is one person. Why should the rights of both parents be intruded upon, based on their 1 child? They already cant get married, now they cant have kids? yes, its sick, its wrong, and gross, but they love eachother and they have just as many rights as their child has, if not more so because they ARE the parents.

[Roses_Are_Yellow]

I'm sorry, but this creeps me out.

[Jess]

To be completely honest? I am somewhat disgusted by this. Not only are incestuous relationships morally wrong it is biologically wrong. The Westermarck effect, or reverse sexual imprinting, is a hypothetical psychological effect through which people who live in close domestic proximity during the first few years of their lives(family members) become desensitized to later sexual attraction. You wanna know why that happens? Because our brains are basically saying HELL NO to incest due to the fact that if that girl and her father end up having a baby? It will be a seriously messed up one. Genetically that baby would be in for a world of pain growing up in the world, having both physically AND mental defects. That should be criminal.

would it be criminal if ... say a brother and sister fall in love and marry but they decide not to have children?

[OregonStateDude]

One way to avoid having the kid being judged by his peers is to pretend the father doesn't even exist. Just pretend that Garry is the grandfather (which he is anyways), and everything should be okay. It's not like there aren't any other single parent families out there.

Still, this whole thing creeps me out.

[Wayne92]

I'm to busy vomiting to think of a snappy comment.

[Don'tDisstheSonic]

Can I puke yet? :no:

[jessiecox1]

This is just weird.

[PandaLeah]

^^^ plus I do not think they have considered the Genetic problems. Look back in time, where royal families have had interbreeding and genetic and even physical problems have been created.

[Trendea]

Shut the front door. Where is the incest police. You are being abused my dear.

[SinisterMystery]

This is rather scary...

[Texas warrior]

And this is the part were I loose my liquor.

[JessicaM]

Urr it's incest which is illegal, right? It wouldn't matter whether the Dad forced her or not.
They want a baby, like Val said, it's not like it was unplanned or anything. They just wouldn't want it if there was something unsual (disorder) about it which I think is the most sick part. I mean you have a baby and no matter who it's with or what it's like you should keep it. It's your baby so don't kill it because there may be something wrong with it.
This is honestly messed up, they need to get that sorted I bet they're already getting a lot of hate.
And what if that baby has a severe disorder like Zellweger Syndrome, and the baby was in sever constant pain, with the chance that it wouldn't live past the first six months most commonly due to respiratory distress. Why would you want any child to live through the pain of such a disorder when you know you can save it before it ever had to suffer. That's my real issue with what your saying. My family had personally suffered from this disorder, having terminated the pregnancy to save the baby and themselves from the pain of watching their child in pain, slowly wasting away and dying as it was kept of life support from the moment it was born. So if they want to terminate to Dave their child with being born with an unusual and painful disorder, then they have that right.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Yea, its wrong, but the child is one person. Why should the rights of both parents be intruded upon, based on their 1 child? They already cant get married, now they cant have kids? yes, its sick, its wrong, and gross, but they love eachother and they have just as many rights as their child has, if not more so because they ARE the parents.

I completely agree. Yes it is strange and odd for someone to have a sexual relationship with a close family member. And yes there are the down sides of a child being born with a birth defect and that is why they will decide to terminate if they know there baby will suffer from such a disorder. But everyone has the right to have a child as long as that child will be loved and cared for.

would it be criminal if ... say a brother and sister fall in love and marry but they decide not to have children?

Love is love, and more times then not siblings do tend to look at one another sexually especially when they enter puberty and start to learn more about their bodies and physical/ sexual wants and needs before they are told that it is wrong. And if they want children they can use a surrogate instead of putting their baby at risk of being conceived with a genetic disorder between them. This I support. Love is love, just as it is between two women, two men or a man and a woman. That is what I truly believe. And just like every physical relationship, responsibility is the most important thing.


-merged multiple posts. -Emerald Dream

[Lono]

Link (http://smssenda.com/sms/blogs/43-news/256-im-pregnant-with-my-dads-baby-and-we-are-so-in-love-penny)

That's nasty, and sick about terminating the pregnancy. Awful. >_<

Val,

Pheromones are the reason that the daughter wanted her father sexually. Every time I walk a long walk, I generate them. Every time I have some arousing thoughts on sex, then I may generate them. Every time I have sex, I generate them.

There is a marked difference in how a woman responds to a man after a man has gone for a long walk. His natural pheromones are more aromatic. During the middle of the menstrual cycle, a woman is more responsive to pheromones.

Also, people are attracted to sweat from those who have highly symmetrical faces, Just because we all have two eyes and two ears does not mean we all have highly balanced faces.

So, if that girl's dad had a balanced face, his sweat and pheromones would drive his menstruating daughter potentially become overly horny on a day of the month that she is most likely to get pregnant. Sick and wrong as it is in many parts of our world, it happens.

Just avoid vices that dull responses like alcohol, drugs, and anything else that may leave one highly vulnerable to responding naturally to pheromones and sweat.

Oh, pheromones probably start impacting human responses by the start of puberty.

Live well,

Lono.

[DerBear]

**Shudders**

This is just nasty.

[Moondust]

Eww! That's sick. The guy was like 20 by the time the girl was a baby, PLUS the idea of me marrying a family member is completely disgusting. And they would rather kill the baby than find someone else. Truly sad.

[Steveo1000]

Disgusting! That's all I can say!

[Rizzler]

cyclops baby

[Kameraden]

Well, that's one way to minimize a gene pool.

[Emerald Dream]

please do not post in threads with more than two months of inactivity. :locked: