Are you Republican or Democrat?

[Cicero]

Do you think that separating the country into 2 different political parties separates Americans even more?

[Thunduhbuhlt]

You post a lot of threads in here bro.

And everyone has their opinions, so even if there wasn't a specific group for them, we would still be separated, just differently than we would in grouped format.

[Cicero]

You post a lot of threads in here bro.

And everyone has their opinions, so even if there wasn't a specific group for them, we would still be separated, just differently than we would in grouped format.

Not usually, just recently lol

[Stryker125]

I'm neither, so I guess that'd be independent (though my voter registration card says unaffiliated with any party)...I just think both sides spend too much time shitting on each other to actually get anything done, and I don't want to affiliate with that.

[DerBear]

Can I just say, there are more parties and it would be a good idea to include a wide variety of choice in that poll.

Personally both candidates and parties have there flaws. However Democrats seem to be the less evil.

[Genghis Khan]

Marxist-Anarchist-Contemporary bullshit gutter type creature.

[Weeping_Angel]

Can I just say, there are more parties and it would be a good idea to include a wide variety of choice in that poll.

Personally both candidates and parties have there flaws. However Democrats seem to be the less evil.

Do you realize what you have just said there? I'm a liberal bitch, but only because republicans don't have the same political views on things, and they dont agree with what I stand for. But that doesnt make them evil.

[JackShephard]

Proud member of the JackShephard party. I don't follow beliefs and values of a party, I have my own.

[Green Arrow]

Neither as I am from the UK. :P

[DerBear]

Do you realize what you have just said there? I'm a liberal bitch, but only because republicans don't have the same political views on things, and they dont agree with what I stand for. But that doesnt make them evil.

Majority of politicians are evil in a sense.

Republicans would happily let a man die because he cannot afford health care.

Sounds evil

Another example: guantanamo bay detention camp. Republicans want's this to stay open. Where if you are lovely inmate you get beaten and have all your human rights removed. Do you know how the USA get away with it? The USA owns a small patch of Cuba and therefore Cuban law is different so they get away with beating up and torturing inmates

Obama want's to deal with both these issues.

All politicians want something out of there job. It's never just out of pure help. Also the word evil was just something to describe.

So I stick by what I said.

Don't take it so personal

[Jess]

I'm more of a Democrat......

[Weeping_Angel]

Majority of politicians are evil in a sense.

Republicans would happily let a man die because he cannot afford health care.

Sounds evil

Another example: guantanamo bay detention camp. Republicans want's this to stay open. Where if you are lovely inmate you get beaten and have all your human rights removed.

Obama want's to deal with both these issues.

All politicians want something out of there job. It's never just out of pure help. Also the word evil was just something to describe.

So I stick by what I said.

Don't take it so personal

Well I will take it personally, because evil is a strong word... And besides, Obama isnt perfect either, and lots of republicans have done great things for America

Ex: Abraham Lincoln was a republican who stopped slavery in the south

[JackShephard]

In reality, no matter what the government is doing, they will be greedy to some extent. If there is something that they want and they have the means to take it despite who it belongs to or who's rights are violated, then it will be taken. Assuming they are powerful enough to do so. Oil, land, power, all governments will covet these things as long as we are human. Our lust for things outweighs our respect for life and human rights. Sorry to tell you, but whoever it is you idolize (Obama, Romney, whoever) is more than likely corrupt in some way.

[DerBear]

Well I will take it personally, because evil is a strong word... And besides, Obama isnt perfect either, and lots of republicans have done great things for America

Ex: Abraham Lincoln was a republican who stopped slavery in the south

See when people take it personally that's when I back out of a debate so this will be my final post on the matter.

In today's media. I have seen Obama do some great things and some not so great things. I never claimed he was a saint.

Because he ain't

I will say that from what the media has reported and clip interviews with main republican candidates, they have less than over inspired me to want to vote for them. even though I can't (UK)

I never said any party was hell and I never said any party was a saint.

All I am saying with what is happening here and now. That Democrats seem to be the lesser evil of the two major parties.

And when I say lesser evil. It's actually an expression. Not is if I was actually using the word evil in a direct format.

[Weeping_Angel]

See when people take it personally that's when I back out of a debate so this will be my final post on the matter.

In today's media. I have seen Obama do some great things and some not so great things. I never claimed he was a saint.

Because he ain't

I will say that from what the media has reported and clip interviews with main republican candidates, they have less than over inspired me to want to vote for them. even though I can't (UK)

I never said any party was hell and I never said any party was a saint.

All I am saying with what is happening here and now. That Democrats seem to be the lesser evil of the two major parties.

And when I say lesser evil. It's actually an expression. Not is if I was actually using the word evil in a direct format.

Well what if I was to say fuck you? Fuck is a strong word, that is not lightly passed around. You would feel offended if I used that kind of nanguage directed to you. And when I say you, I mean you generalizing all people of all genders

[DerBear]

Well what if I was to say fuck you? Fuck is a strong word, that is not lightly passed around. You would feel offended if I used that kind of nanguage directed to you. And when I say you, I mean you generalizing all people of all genders

Now you are taking the debate off topic.

I don't give a shit what you say to me.

I will repeate myself again

IN MY OPINION Democrats seem the less evil of the two main parties.

I respect your opinions, you respect mine and we are both happy.

[Weeping_Angel]

Now you are taking the debate off topic.

I don't give a shit what you say to me.

I will repeate myself again

IN MY OPINION Democrats seem the less evil of the two main parties.

I respect your opinions, you respect mine and we are both happy.

Whatever you say BOSS. :D

[DerBear]

Whatever you say BOSS. :D

Now that's just being rather immature.

I would have to say in my opinion and I will say it again that the democrats in my own opinion are the lesser of the two evils.

No party is a saint and no party is hell.

That's just my opinion.

[double r]

Everyone has their own opinions. I may say that Obama is not great but he is not worse then some other political leaders. Plus he came in to a bad economic base. And I do not agree with you Silver Assassin when you said that republicans are evil. What do say about Ronald Reagen, he was one of the best presidents in history and he was an republican, and he did good for our nation.

And to answer this threads question I am an conservative republican that is anti religion in gov, pro abortion, and pro gay rights. :)

[DerBear]

Everyone has their own opinions. I may say that Obama is not great but he is not worse then some other political leaders. Plus he came in to a bad economic base. And I do not agree with you Silver Assassin when you said that republicans are evil. What do say about Ronald Reagen, he was one of the best presidents in history and he was an republican, and he did good for our nation.

And to answer this threads question I am an conservative republican that is anti religion in gov, pro abortion, and pro gay rights. :)

Hey I am not saying they are evil. I am saying a lot of there party policies are evil based. I am calling them evil in that sense.

It's one of these things when you say a word but it's meant in a loose generalized way. When I compare that parties policies I am actually saying

The democrats are not perfect. The republicans are not perfect but they the less of the two evils.

Therefore I am saying both of them are not perfect but in my own opinion democrats are the lesser of the two evils. So overall to say I am not calling any party perfect or any party the devil I am saying in my own opinion that the democrats are less of the two evils which both parties.

[Sugaree]

Do you think that separating the country into 2 different political parties separates Americans even more?

More than ever, yes. The last four years have seen such an extraordinary increase in partisan lines that it now affects every day life. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people in my town shouting anybody they deem as "liberal" or "democrat" out of their way. It's sickening to see such actions take place and I blame the elected officials for causing it. This is fear mongering at its best, plain and simple. It also doesn't help when people fail to recognize each other as two parts that can solve the problem together. The attitude of "my way or the highway" doesn't work in our situation.

Can I just say, there are more parties and it would be a good idea to include a wide variety of choice in that poll.

Personally both candidates and parties have there flaws. However Democrats seem to be the less evil.

I wouldn't say Democrats are less evil. Clinton's administration was plagued by the entire Monica Lewinski scandal and thus resulted in a Republican being voted into office. Jimmy Carter, another Democrat, also allowed oil and gas prices to rise in the late 70s to cause an economic crash paralleled to our current one. He may not have done it on purpose, but he was more concerned about peace treaties we should never have been involved in.

Democrats seem less evil because they're usually for mandates and social reform. Those are usually seen as good actions because it's trying to keep everybody equal to each other. I wouldn't call Democrats less evil, but I wouldn't call Republicans less evil either. Once you're in office, that's it; you're never going to see things from the aspect of a normal citizen.



Ex: Abraham Lincoln was a republican who stopped slavery in the south

The interesting thing about Lincoln is that he didn't want to abolish slavery in the first place. Why? It was permitted by the Constitution. As a President, it was his duty to protect the Constitution and uphold all its values. Though, yes, he was morally opposed to slavery, Lincoln upheld it as a legal right. The reason he abolished slavery was to weaken the South further. The South had no economy once they seceded from the Union because the North set up blockades to stop any supplies going to the South. It was a smart move, because had the North not set up the blockades, the war would have lasted longer. With slavery abolished, Lincoln had successfully brought the South's entire economy down to its knees groveling. So it was a partially moral and partially political decision on Lincoln's end.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

I wish people would stop labeling each other with democrat or republican, liberal or conservative. Quite frankly no body has the same ideals so separating people into two different groups seems kind of illogical. I honestly think that one of the reasons our government is so fucked up is that republicans and democrats don't get along. If people didn't identify as one or the other I honestly think things would get better. For instance I identify as a republican (mostly because I think of every democrat as being a commy like Obama) even though I am pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage. Basically I agree with every conservative idea that doesn't stem from a religious belief (mostly).

[double r]

Do you know the definition of evil, and I can tell they are not evil, they are old white businessmen men who try to make lots of money. They are corrupt and I do not agree with the politics most of the time, but they have no intention to be evil.
But to tell you the truth it is your opinion but, and no one can change it, but you are using the wrong word, and please look up evil.

[Sugaree]

Do you know the definition of evil, and I can tell they are not evil, they are old white businessmen men who try to make lots of money. They are corrupt and I do not agree with the politics most of the time, but they have no intention to be evil.

Because only a white man can be greedy. White men are the root of greed itself. How is greed not evil? How is it that a greedy person has no intention to be evil when greed is evil in itself? That makes no sense.

[Weeping_Angel]

Because only a white man can be greedy. White men are the root of greed itself. How is greed not evil? How is it that a greedy person has no intention to be evil when greed is evil in itself? That makes no sense.

This is off topic, but greed is not evil, you can be greedy, and not be evil, it only starts to cross a line when you use that greediness at another persons expense.

[Jupiter]

i'm not any of the three. i'm a libertarian.

[Coolboi]

vote for me Josh for president . bunch of morans
running this country ! it's realy time for change !
I Josh coolia indorse this message !

[Sugaree]

vote for me Josh for president . bunch of morans
running this country ! it's realy time for change !
I Josh coolia indorse this message !

>morans

No thanks, I'd appreciate a candidate worth the while in spelling and grammar.

[Coolboi]

haha still better than the ones running this country !!

[Weeping_Angel]

haha still better than the ones running this country !!

I would take a good look at my ego, if I as about to say something like that.

[Sugaree]

haha still better than the ones running this country !!

You know, I'm surprised you haven't caught on to your ego yet. Hold on to it; might get you somewhere.

[Weeping_Angel]

You know, I'm surprised you haven't caught on to your ego yet. Hold on to it; might get you somewhere.

Hey copycat.


@coolboi

But srsly, Obama isn't doing the worst job. And he is certainly doing a better job than McCain or whatever the fuck his name Is. And since all of the republicans running for office are idiots, I want Obama to run again. Maybe Obama isnt the best, but he certainly is doing better than any of the other candidates would have done.

[Cicero]

Michael Obama is pretty damn smart. She went to Harvard and I believe Princeton (Yale, brown, or some other super good college)

[Weeping_Angel]

Michael Obama is pretty damn smart. She went to Harvard and I believe Princeton (Yale, brown, or some other super good college)

Lol. But many failiures went to Harvard as well. Just because you go to a damn good college doesn't guarantee you a spot at success or brains. And besides, Michelle Obama isn't even the fucking president. That was so off topic to begin with.

[Rage of the Menace]

Marxist-Anarchist-Contemporary bullshit gutter type creature.

umm... Really?

Totalitarian, Civil/Territorial Ultra Nationalist, Radical centrist myself.

Nazi germany without the racism.



Wooo. Vote for me, Sa'id Sarkis Youssef Sa'id Jeris George Harbieh of the House of Karam, Son of Zgharta and Bloodbound to El Marada!
I promise I won't kill 95% of the world. 88% is a nice number, it's even. Create a nation of zombies so that dissent is minimized greatly. I think the only way to create a united world government is to destroy what makes a human a human, his ability to be independant and think freely. Until then, it's nearly impossible, there'll always be some greedy ass mofo with an unquenchable thirst for power. I sort of contradicted myself here, but you get me. I think.

GLORY TO THE BOURGEOISIE!

[Cicero]

Lol. But many failiures went to Harvard as well. Just because you go to a damn good college doesn't guarantee you a spot at success or brains. And besides, Michelle Obama isn't even the fucking president. That was so off topic to begin with.

That's how you spell it lol, I couldn't figure it out :P

[PerpetualImperfexion]

umm... Really?

Totalitarian, Civil/Territorial Ultra Nationalist, Radical centrist myself.

Nazi germany without the racism.



Wooo. Vote for me, Sa'id Sarkis Youssef Sa'id Jeris George Harbieh of the House of Karam, Son of Zgharta and Bloodbound to El Marada!
I promise I won't kill 95% of the world. 88% is a nice number, it's even. Create a nation of zombies so that dissent is minimized greatly. I think the only way to create a united world government is to destroy what makes a human a human, his ability to be independant and think freely. Until then, it's nearly impossible, there'll always be some greedy ass mofo with an unquenchable thirst for power. I sort of contradicted myself here, but you get me. I think.

GLORY TO THE BOURGEOISIE!

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For real though if you're serious I think I'll start reconsidering how much time I spend on this website. I'm afraid I'm already being subliminally brain washed...

[Thunduhbuhlt]

I would consider myself a Libertarian Democrat with a few conservative beliefs thrown in there.

[Can'tHelpIt]

Personally I dont give a fuck about the political mess will never get involved and will never (unless you know I become leader of the world and I'll let you all know that it was me and you can be like omg I sorta know him) . So I'm independent.

[double r]

Because only a white man can be greedy. White men are the root of greed itself. How is greed not evil? How is it that a greedy person has no intention to be evil when greed is evil in itself? That makes no sense.

Just because they are white and rich makes them evil. I am white and my family has money are they evil? And greed is not evil it is selfishness
and here is the def for evil :morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked: evil deeds; an evil life. That does not even go with it you said. So use evil in the right context and area.

[jackson94]

I wouldn't say Democrats are less evil. Clinton's administration was plagued by the entire Monica Lewinski scandal and thus resulted in a Republican being voted into office.

What does a personal problem like that have anything to do with how 'evil' democrats are? Clinton was a pretty solid president. And, it could be argued that the Supreme Court is the only reason that Bush was elected.


Oh, and Lincoln wasn't a Republican. Labeled one in the 1800's yeah. But his views did not match up very equally with today's GOP.

[Rage of the Menace]

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For real though if you're serious I think I'll start reconsidering how much time I spend on this website. I'm afraid I'm already being subliminally brain washed...

Haha, yes it was satire. But I was serious with the main plot, sadly, humans think independently and that in itself causes a problem with unity. The only way to provide unity is through a totalitarian government. Sadly :S

Yes, i am really a Totalitarian, Ultra Nationalist Radical Centrist. Similar to Frances National Front, whom I salute. Fascism is a word of taboo thanks to it being constantly related with Nazism and ultimately anti semetism. I have read books and books on Fascism, my favourite being Martin Kitchen on Fascism, where it states, and currently being proven IN FRANCE, that Fascism emerges out of a Capitalist state in its last stages. Fascism is basically the dying stage of Capitalism, although that's what communists said at the 3rd communist intern of 1921. Fascism in itself is very different to capitalism, although it does promote the bourgeoisie and trade monopoly's.

I'm not speaking out of a heavily biased source, Martin Kitchen published the book in Canada and was born in Britain, lived through WW2, so i wouldn't call his view on Fascism biased towards such states, although there was a rising of fascists in Britain, ultimately outlawed by the king. Totalitarian + Radical Centrist is Fascism, I go under these labels since modern neo-fascism is involved with fucktard white power rednecks and racists. I myself, do not classify as a Nazi, as I am a semite myself. So please do not take this information as my trying to promote a corrupt ideology such as that of Nazism or Phalanges.

I have that effect on people, I indoctrinate them from afar with my awesome words of awesomeness ;)

Glory to the middle class! The 0.1% do not need to benefit themselves! As the saying goes, The few rule the many, but the few don't have to benefit only the few. We, as the Middle Class, should not suffer under the high class, for sadly we live in an almost invisible feudal system. Sad thing is, no one wants to do anything about it. BUT. France is taking a step in the right direction, so, good luck to the National Front of France.

Hope this wasn't a long read, i try to paragraph things to make it more interesting and add emphasis via commas. :S

That is actually my full name -_-

[jackson94]

\sadly, humans think independently and that in itself causes a problem with unity. The only way to provide unity is through a totalitarian government. Sadly :S



Well, I mean, I don't think it is such a stretch for people to continually relate fascism with Nazism. Obviously, I don't mean the persons themselves. I have no doubt in your sincerity that you are not anti-semite. However, when you allow the state to control people's lives in a social way, and do not allow them a voice, you run the risk of a socially askew individual (a la Hitler) to do some terrible things. I mean, obviously with social media today something of that scale would never happen. Unless maybe it was against already unpopular groups, you know, gays, latinos, muslims, atheists, etc.

I do not particularly mean systematically murdering them. But, I think having a totalitarian government could give the state too much power to silence freedom of speech and oppress groups that are unpopular today.

[Cicero]

Well, I mean, I don't think it is such a stretch for people to continually relate fascism with Nazism. Obviously, I don't mean the persons themselves. I have no doubt in your sincerity that you are not anti-semite. However, when you allow the state to control people's lives in a social way, and do not allow them a voice, you run the risk of a socially askew individual (a la Hitler) to do some terrible things. I mean, obviously with social media today something of that scale would never happen. Unless maybe it was against already unpopular groups, you know, gays, latinos, muslims, atheists, etc.

I do not particularly mean systematically murdering them. But, I think having a totalitarian government could give the state too much power to silence freedom of speech and oppress groups that are unpopular today.

So you think having a dictatorship would help? Not hitler dictatorship but something like dictatorship? I'm not saying its bad I'm sincerely just asking.

[Rage of the Menace]

Well, I mean, I don't think it is such a stretch for people to continually relate fascism with Nazism. Obviously, I don't mean the persons themselves. I have no doubt in your sincerity that you are not anti-semite. However, when you allow the state to control people's lives in a social way, and do not allow them a voice, you run the risk of a socially askew individual (a la Hitler) to do some terrible things. I mean, obviously with social media today something of that scale would never happen. Unless maybe it was against already unpopular groups, you know, gays, latinos, muslims, atheists, etc.

I do not particularly mean systematically murdering them. But, I think having a totalitarian government could give the state too much power to silence freedom of speech and oppress groups that are unpopular today.

Obedience is taken for granted.

[jackson94]

So you think having a dictatorship would help? Not hitler dictatorship but something like dictatorship? I'm not saying its bad I'm sincerely just asking.

Huh? No. I was saying dictatorships, especially ones with too much power, are a terrible thing.

[CrashingWaves]

Huh? No. I was saying dictatorships, especially ones with too much power, are a terrible thing.

But is a dictatorship with a lot of power necessarily bad if the dictator himself is benevolent? Unlikely but just because someone is completely authoritarian doesn't mean he'd be a bad leader, but that's just a thought. However, I would prefer our democracy over a dictatorship. I don't know if this has already been mentioned before but, one thing that I think would be good for the US is to get rid of political parities altogether. Having labels divides us and there is no way we should let our leaders be chosen because of their 'tag'. It's to important for that, people have to look at the issues and where their candidate stands.

[HeroesAndCons]

Personally i am more Democratic.

[jackson94]

But is a dictatorship with a lot of power necessarily bad if the dictator himself is benevolent? Unlikely but just because someone is completely authoritarian doesn't mean he'd be a bad leader, but that's just a thought.


I completely agree, but just having a dictator runs the risk of it, that's all I was saying. Obviously not all dictators will hate jews, but if one does hate jews, well, you get a fucking holocaust.


However, I would prefer our democracy over a dictatorship. I don't know if this has already been mentioned before but, one thing that I think would be good for the US is to get rid of political parities altogether. Having labels divides us and there is no way we should let our leaders be chosen because of their 'tag'. It's to important for that, people have to look at the issues and where their candidate stands.

George Washington said this exact same thing in his fairwell address. However, our media profits from being able to set up this 'red vs blue' scene, and people who don't pay attention can naturally gravitate towards the party that's liberal, or the party that's conservative. It's more complicated to find a candidate that you most allign with among a field of diverse views.

[figaro42]

I am not American, but if I were I'd be Republican. They just seem much more organized.

[Amnesiac]

I'm an independent, and I mainly align with libertarian viewpoints, although there are parts of the Libertarian Party agenda that I do not agree with. Ultimately, I believe that government is not the solution to the United States' economic and social problems, and that the primary role of the state is to protect the rights of the individual, provide for the common defense and prosecute those who infringe on the rights of others. Therefore, I do not believe in victimless crimes, nor am I a fan of economic regulation – social conservatism and the welfare state are concepts that I strongly oppose.

Ultimately, individuals should be free to choose their own destinies as long as they respect the rights of their peers. The government should not force people to sacrifice their rights for a "common good".

On issues like foreign policy, the United States should continue maintaining an advanced and capable military force, but should severely cut back the size of the military industrial complex and adopt a policy of non-intervention. This country should not involve itself in regions that present no threat to mainland security. Neoconservatism is a failed philosophy that only leads to instability.

Religion has no place in government, and secularism needs to be upheld. Laws based on religious commandments or a sense of "morality" only restrict freedom and have absolutely no place in a modern society.

I am not American, but if I were I'd be Republican. They just seem much more organized.

Hahaha, that made me laugh.