Should the gay bar be an official forum?

[Maverick]

Should the gay bar be moved from the diary section and be made an official forum?

Please vote.

[MoveAlong]

Sure, in fact that solves some questions! But brings up a few like what parent forum it's under, and also the fact that some debates about it or questions about it or curiousness could go under there falsely. I don't see a real need for it but I do see a need for a sticky in either the Gay Bar or Puberty101.

Anyone else who posts: don't bullshit about how there should be a straight forum :P

I'm undecided.

[Sapphire]

I think it should as it is the only forum we have that is related to sexuality.
If it was an official forum then maybe all the posts asking about sexual orientation would actually be posted there rather than some being posted in the puberty forums because some newer members have not scrolled down the page or something.

(I'll check this tomorrow or whatever to make sure it's clear what I am trying to say)

[Bobby]

Wait until Carole comes back in the morning :P

Yeah. It would best go under General Discussions, it's not puberty, and it's not the Ward.

[Sage]

We already have relationship and puberty forums, if it were to become official it would cause a grand redundancy.

[Maverick]

But the puberty and relationships forum isn't really about sexuality. If you visit the gay bar diary you will see that the topics in there are very different than those in p101 and relationships.

[Kiros]

I think that any sexuality topics can be fitted into the puberty forums. Not only would this cause redundancy, but it would also complicate things when new members (maybe even veteran members) try to post something related to sexuality. For instance, say a member needs to ask about his or her recent change in sexuality and if it's normal during puberty; he or she might have a hard time deciding which forum it should be posted in. With just puberty forums, it simplifies things. Also, it's easier to moderate less forums than more forums.

My two cents... :canadian:

[MoveAlong]

Yeah those are my concerns. I don't think it's a solid idea and I think we should just leave it be for now :-]

[Elscire]

if the gay bar ever becomes an actual forums, i demand the diaries be private. meaning they will only appear only if you're a member >.>

it does help taking out a couple bots

[redcar]

I am for making it an official forum. For the reason that I know people need help with it. And as we are a site that aims to help teens, and this is something that effects a lot of people, we should have a dedicated forum covering this and not just a diary.

[Maverick]

if the gay bar ever becomes an actual forums, i demand the diaries be private. meaning they will only appear only if you're a member >.>

it does help taking out a couple bots
What does that have to do with anything?

[DouggyO.o]

Im for it. i think if we were to do it, we should put it under the puberty 101 section.

[Maverick]

I think that any sexuality topics can be fitted into the puberty forums. Not only would this cause redundancy, but it would also complicate things when new members (maybe even veteran members) try to post something related to sexuality. For instance, say a member needs to ask about his or her recent change in sexuality and if it's normal during puberty; he or she might have a hard time deciding which forum it should be posted in. With just puberty forums, it simplifies things. Also, it's easier to moderate less forums than more forums.

Is it really that complicated? Wouldn't anything related to sexuality be posted in the GLB forum?

[MoveAlong]

Is it really that complicated? Wouldn't anything related to sexuality be posted in the GLB forum?

no. I don't want the gay bar to be crowded with dumb Puberty101 nonsense or debates that go in Ramblings of the Dumbasses

What's there say about homosexuality anyway? How important is this change and why should we do it?

if the gay bar ever becomes an actual forums, i demand the diaries be private. meaning they will only appear only if you're a member >.>

it does help taking out a couple bots

No. I don't see your problem with this Carmine :|

[Antares]

yes
its pretty popular
it could bring people to the site
covers muy importante issues

[Sapphire]

I am for making it an official forum. For the reason that I know people need help with it. And as we are a site that aims to help teens, and this is something that effects a lot of people, we should have a dedicated forum covering this and not just a diary.This is along the same lines that I was thinking of.
Most posts relating to sexuality are posted there anyway so I can't see how it would make anything redundant.

But the puberty and relationships forum isn't really about sexuality. If you visit the gay bar diary you will see that the topics in there are very different than those in p101 and relationships.QFT

[Melchi0r]

I vote yes.

[JoshDude]

Only if i get my straight bar in return.

[MoveAlong]

Only if i get my straight bar in return.

No. See the second post of this thread - I said don't bitch about there being a straight forum, that's just nonsense!!!:P

[redcar]

So you can discuss how hard it is to be straight and problems that you encounter with being straight?

[Maverick]

Only if i get my straight bar in return.Ah I knew this was gonna happen. :P

Your straight bar?! Now that's just being unfair and selfish. Please tell me what problems you have that you have specifically for being straight. Do you need help coming out? How to handle family and friends for being straight? Ah I could go on but I'd be wasting my time explaining to someone who is only being selfish rather than thinking the help this forum brings.

You have relationships and puberty101. We should help all kinds of people who have specific problems. Being gay/bi is a specific problem, being straight isn't a problem teens face.

[DouggyO.o]

Only if i get my straight bar in return.

O.o

WHAT THE HELL?!
As if!

[MoveAlong]

hi i think im str8 & was wondering if this is ok? sometimes i get boners from girls. am i str8? i dun want 2 b.

i dun want to be str8. *takes 50 asprin*

What would you talk about in a straight forum?? I agree with Ant :rolleyes:

[redcar]

I think we will let the the whole Straight Bar forum idea die here. Because we could argue all night that it wouldn't work, and this is about the Gay Bar.

[Bobby]

People, don't overreact. Just ignore it.

[MoveAlong]

Where would the Gay Bar go under if it's made a major forum? The Psych Ward, Puberty101 or General Discussions? Seems kinda out of place :/

[redcar]

Well I would think under the Puberty forums. Simply because, as you say, it doesn't fall under the General Discussions.

[MoveAlong]

Here's the thing tho: It can be classified under Relationships, Puberty101 or Debates...and there's gonna have to be modding done wherever it is, because of weird members and because threads are gonna constantly be misplaced. Also, there's gonna be that thing of whether it goes in the Gay forum or the Puberty for Boys/Gals/General Curiosity or Relationships or Debates.

[redcar]

Well I wouldn't think it would go under Debate.
I think for the purposes of this site, considering the age group of the members that it would be more fitting under Puberty. For the simple reason sexuality ties a lot in with puberty.

[MoveAlong]

shouldn't we still have a gay mod there then? That would make sense :P

I mean (just to defend that) since a gay moderator was banned at GT and yet another resigned, they had to replace them with some others simply for the reasons that it would feel better to have a homosexual moderator leading a homosexuality forum. Eh, but wait, it shouldn't be an issue right now...

I'm still 60/40 with the idea though.

[DouggyO.o]

i think it belongs under the puberty forums and should be run by somebody of that sexual orientation. just as Zach said of course haha.

im for it about 80%. the only problem i see is all the noobs asking the same question over and over and over again. like the puberty forums. In stead of "is my penis size ok?" it would be " i sometimes fantasize about guys, am i gay?"

other than that it gets a thumbs up!

[-Silence]

The Gay Bar's been a diary forever, it seems to be doing fine as one, so why change it?

If it were to be a forum, I think it would be best under with the puberty (So I can hide them all at once, hehe, jk) but because that's really the only place it seems like it would kinda fit in. Kinda.

But really, I'm not too concerned about it because tonight's kinda my last night here. So yeah...hehe. Sorry.

[MoveAlong]

Aww, really? No...You're so sweet Heather :(

[MoveAlong]

So are we going for this? Also, should we change the name/description of the Gay Bar to make sound more like a official forum?

[Maverick]

Yeah it should and I think it would be renamed.

[MoveAlong]

Any ideas for names?

Homosexuality? The GLBTQ forum? Not "Sexuality"...
A Day Looking Through Rainbow Colored Glasses? :P

[Sage]

Maybe it would be more convenient to keep it the way it is and just make an official forum that serves the same purpose.

[DouggyO.o]

i think we should just keep it the same. Its a creative name and many of the members all ready know what it is. With a good and detailed description, any member could figure out what the "Gay bar" is.

[Rawrbaby]

it should be and official forum many teens need help wit it and tar are different parts to it all and it does so good already and we need to expand it and help more teens

[Rawrbaby]

heres some names for it

the rainbow club

Out

the rainbow

the gay closet

library of gayness

Gay pride

the gay library

Gay teens

happy homo

LGBT home

homo sweet homo

LGBT luv

the Castro

sreading the rainbow

rainbow high

experince the rainbow

near queer

gay queer

gay talk

gay ways

GBLT

Lesy Gayie Bye Trampy L.G.B.T.

ya like

[Bobby]

I don't think they are going to change the name,

and don't double post in the future please.

[Everglow]

i know i voted no, but i've had a change of mind. i think the gay bar should be an official forum. no explaination why yet, but when i put it into words i will

[MoveAlong]

heres some names for it

the rainbow club

Out

the rainbow

the gay closet

library of gayness

Gay pride

the gay library

Gay teens

happy homo

LGBT home

homo sweet homo

LGBT luv

the Castro

sreading the rainbow

rainbow high

experince the rainbow

near queer

gay queer

gay talk

gay ways

GBLT

Lesy Gayie Bye Trampy L.G.B.T.

ya like

Those are all good names for diaries, not for official forums
The "Gay Bar" for a forum in Puberty101 seems a bit sleezy, and I think it should be changed...but to what?

[Maverick]

Alex came up with Teen Sexuality. I'm a fan of that name.

[MoveAlong]

I like that! Should the description be changed tho? Also...well, I guess I would leave that up to the mods of the forum...

[Bobby]

I don't think it's sleazy :P, but I guess it could be a little more "Professional"

[Everglow]

Alex came up with Teen Sexuality. I'm a fan of that name.

Me too :D

[NintendoFanboy]

I, for one, think the Gay Bar should keep it's name, but still be moved to another location, official.

[MoveAlong]

I disagree. Why do you think it should keep its name?

[redcar]

Well I dont think it should keep its name because I feel that the name isn't inclusive of all sexualities, even though it could implied.

Like there are many sexualities, I think it would be unfair to just use The Gay Bar.

[Mannequin]

The Gay Bar is trashy as hell and only attracts horny teenagers with suggestive screen names or horny teenagers in general.

[MoveAlong]

No, that's the Boy's Puberty forum Austin :rolleyes:

[nachtspiegel]

Okay, this is just my idea, I decided to throw it in...

but what about maybe making a sexuality forum as an official forum and leaving the gay bar as a diary that more active veteran members that have been more involved in VT and recorded their experiences there as a place for them to keep updating without having a 'lolzz i'm 13 1/2 and i get horny when i see a guy's muscle um i gayyyyy??' threads (you know, the spam ones,) thrown in.

That's probably off the wall, it was just the first idea I had in mind. If soemone's already suggested it, sorry for re-stating someone else's idea.

[Bobby]

Hmm I see David's point. The way I feel though is that the diary might have started off as a diary for those guys, but then turned into the Gay forum for everyone (except Puberty)

[MoveAlong]

but what about maybe making a sexuality forum as an official forum and leaving the gay bar as a diary that more active veteran members that have been more involved in VT and recorded their experiences there as a place for them to keep updating without having a 'lolzz i'm 13 1/2 and i get horny when i see a guy's muscle um i gayyyyy??' threads (you know, the spam ones,) thrown in.

It might be, but I don't see how you can't just put up with posting in there anyway once it's an official forum. Besides, the Gay Bar has a lot of threads from newer members and it'll be a lot easier to move the Gay Bar rather than creating a forum with no posts from scratch. There would be archives and older posts to look at and older advice to look up on.

Plus you oldies have enough things to do! Most of the oldies to even post anymore, or at least in the forums they were put as moderators. I don't see why oldies can't go in the new forum anyway, I mean Puberty101 isn't that bad if you don't reply to ALL the posts.

I would know :P

Besides, it'll get more traffic, both from older members and newer members. It can still serve the same purpose, it's just in a different place!
Also, I think James's posts are probably going to be deleted by a mod but that's just to make it an official forum, and I think that's just something we have to live with.

(btw, it's been getting good discussions lately that suit it to be an official forum)

[Antares]

well if we change the name to Teen Sexuality then i think the whole point of the forum will change so then people will start posting "Am I Gay" in that forum instead of P101. I think that the name in question is undescriptive, uncreative, and just plain stupid. New name please!

[MoveAlong]

well if we change the name to Teen Sexuality then i think the whole point of the forum will change so then people will start posting "Am I Gay" in that forum instead of P101. I think that the name in question is undescriptive, uncreative, and just plain stupid. New name please!

A forum like "The Gay Bar" would get a question like that anyway, and I'm pretty sure it's going to get stuff like that. I'd rather have questions like that in the Teen Sexuality forum than in Puberty for Boys. The announcements, if accepted (I'm writing some :rolleyes:) will have info that makes it clear that the forum isn't just for those questions. If we get enough of them, there may be a "Am I Gay" sticky.

I'm also going to write something that's called "Do you think you might be gay? Read this!" so we don't get that many questions.
By the way, it's not just plain stupid, I think it's a great idea. Don't be so critical! :P

[CryingEye666]

i think it should be an official forum
so i voted yes

[MoveAlong]

I'm glad to see it's almost unanimous by the moderators! :D
I'm just wondering why it hasn't been done yet : /

So here's what it think it should be changed to
Teen Sexuality
For all GLBTQ teens to come talk, get advice and share experiences. All are welcome (even straight people!)

[JoshDude]

Ah I knew this was gonna happen. :P

Your straight bar?! Now that's just being unfair and selfish. Please tell me what problems you have that you have specifically for being straight. Do you need help coming out? How to handle family and friends for being straight? Ah I could go on but I'd be wasting my time explaining to someone who is only being selfish rather than thinking the help this forum brings.

You have relationships and puberty101. We should help all kinds of people who have specific problems. Being gay/bi is a specific problem, being straight isn't a problem teens face.

If gay people get a forum to talk about issues about being gay, straight people and bi-sexual people will also deserver a forum for their sexual orientation. I know a gay friend who goes to a 80%:20% Gay:Straight college where the straight guys get picked on by the gay folks and are given a hard time for not being gay. It isnt very comon where this situation is the most common one, but it does happen.

What if somebody who is straight has 5 brothers. And all of them are gay. He hates himself because he is the only one that is straight and doesnt feel normal. He/she will want help in the situation like any other person if the situation was flipped. Jesus Christ! Make rational decisions please! Even it out.

[Maverick]

It's a forum for everyone to get help with their sexuality. If you read all the posts, you'd see that it will be renamed to include more than just being gay.

[DouggyO.o]

but even in the case of the 5brothers it has to do with sexuality. If we change the name to something that refers to sexuality then any and all posts regarding sexuality would go there.

[Bobby]

I am now against the ide, just for a flat no. Don't ask my reasons.

If we are going to have it, it should be "Sexual Orientation".

[redcar]

If gay people get a forum to talk about issues about being gay, straight people and bi-sexual people will also deserver a forum for their sexual orientation.
Well I would like to see this go ahead with a name like Teen Sexuality. Therefore it is not exclusive to gay people, but to all sexualities, so no one feels left out.

[DouggyO.o]

yea i think that should work.

[Everglow]

Well I would like to see this go ahead with a name like Teen Sexuality. Therefore it is not exclusive to gay people, but to all sexualities, so no one feels left out.


I like that too. It covers a much broader range that the Puberty forums don't necessarily include

[MoveAlong]

If gay people get a forum to talk about issues about being gay, straight people and bi-sexual people will also deserver a forum for their sexual orientation. I know a gay friend who goes to a 80%:20% Gay:Straight college where the straight guys get picked on by the gay folks and are given a hard time for not being gay. It isnt very comon where this situation is the most common one, but it does happen.
It does happen, so they can talk about it in the new forum. We will NOT have a forum that complements each sexuality because they should all blend.
About the blue bolded letters in the quotes: why the heck would you even assume that it's only going to be about gay people? Why can't it be about the entire GLBTQ community like I said, allowing straight people to come to? Why can't it address any problems similar or that have to do with any of those sexualities on any side?
Just....urrrgh it pisses me off so much to even hear your opinion on this

What if somebody who is straight has 5 brothers. And all of them are gay. He hates himself because he is the only one that is straight and doesnt feel normal. He/she will want help in the situation like any other person if the situation was flipped. Jesus Christ! Make rational decisions please! Even it out.

Then they can talk about it in the Sexuality forum! I don't see why straight people need a whole different forum. They can all share the same forum. I don't see the problem with that. Besides, why should straight people have a forum when their problems are rare? They should share the Teen Sexuality forum.

I want to remind everyone that the Gay Bar has always been for gay, lesbian, bisexual AND straight people as it says in it's forum description. Why haven't people read this?

And even more so I don't see the reason why we shouldn't include the GLBTQ community because that's what the forum's for
Gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders (accepted part of the gay community) and questioning people (people who have no idea what their sexuality is)
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[Mannequin]

This is a poor idea. If VT advertises diversity and acceptance, setting aside a forum for something such as homosexuality is contradicting. Being gay is no different than being black or white and having a forum for something as this only makes homosexuality look unnatural and different, when that is the last thing gay people want to be perceived as. There are no topics in the gay bar diary that people couldn't solve in the WPR or the normal relationship forum because gay people are not creeps that need a seperate forum to address there relational needs in or problems in. We might as well have a forum for fat people so they can feel normal. The gay bar diary is enough already.

ALSO, I agree with the idea of the name being changed. The gay bar is slutty--which actually does fit most of the gay community anyways, but its too crude.

[MoveAlong]

Hardly ever are black people rejected by their families because their families are black too.
I don't hear many stories (but duh it prob does happen) of fat people being beaten up for the sole reason of being fat.

And kids don't ask other people "am I fat" or "am I black". Plus, in my school, there's gay hate comments made every day by black people and by fat people as well as white people.

I disagree with the fact that you say that homosexuality will be perseived as unnatural and different - that must make Schizophrenia and Depression look like it too, because we have forums for that. I disagree...sorry...

[Bobby]

Hmm, for once I see where Austin is coming from.

[Mannequin]

Hardly ever are black people rejected by their families because their families are black too.
I don't hear many stories (but duh it prob does happen) of fat people being beaten up for the sole reason of being fat.

And kids don't ask other people "am I fat" or "am I black". Plus, in my school, there's gay hate comments made every day by black people and by fat people as well as white people.

I guarantee there is as much prejudice against fat people and black people than there is against gay people. Gay people have never been banned from public places, yet blacks have. I know your black, Zach..maybe you live in a mostly black area. This is going off topic, but there is no reason to have a forum for people when being gay is natural. Where will you put this new forum? Mental disorders? The only place I can see it being put is there or mixed in with puberty and then it will be trashed--like it already is.

I disagree with the fact that you say that homosexuality will be perseived as unnatural and different - that must make Schizophrenia and Depression look like it too, because we have forums for that. I disagree...sorry...

Homosexuality is different because it isn't a disorder!! (spare the debate arguments). Unlike depression and schizo, being gay is just a sexuality. You cannot cure it. Also, homosexuality already is perceived as different. How many gay married couples do you know, Gay presidents, etc.?

So to conclude, why would we encourage a seperate forum specifically for gay people to only exclude the gay population--even if only online more when being gay is just as normal as being straight and gay people's relational difficulties and hardships can be addressed in an already established forum with straight people??

[Bobby]

Wow. He has a very good point. If we were to have a gay forum, then wouldn't we have a black forum, or an asian forum? What about the other minorities?

[Maverick]

Wow. He has a very good point. If we were to have a gay forum, then wouldn't we have a black forum, or an asian forum? What about the other minorities?
This is about sexuality, not race. Sexuality is a problem for all races and an issue a lot of teens face.

[Bobby]

But how is sexuality different from race? It's something your born, with and can't change.

[Maverick]

But how is sexuality different from race? It's something your born, with and can't change.
Race has nothing to do with sexuality and if you want a race issues forum, make your own thread and poll, but don't fill up this thread with stuff about race because that isn't what is being discussed. It's about sexuality.

[Bobby]

I know it's not about race haha. I'm just comparing it.

Ahh, I am so on the fence with this. Leaning towards no though.

[Maverick]

I know it's not about race haha. I'm just comparing it.
That's what the debate forum is for. ;)

[Serenity]

Alright, I've decided to add my 2 cents here...



I guarantee there is as much prejudice against fat people and black people than there is against gay people.

I'm black as well, Austin, and I would like to disagree with this point. I have dealt all my life with black jokes, references, etc, but only twice have I ever experienced outright dislike and prejudice- and most of my life has been lived in very white suburbs. My many gay friends, however, differ greatly. They have dealt with much greater ridicule than I have and what they go through is much less joking and much more heinous. And as far as being fat goes...have you ever seen a hate crime against a fat person before? B/c....I haven't. Ridicule, yes of course, but actual prejudice, never.


Homosexuality is different because it isn't a disorder!! (spare the debate arguments). Unlike depression and schizo, being gay is just a sexuality. You cannot cure it.

Who's asking to be cured? If The Gay Bar was to become a forum, I seriously doubt its purpose would be to debate ways to stop being gay.


So to conclude, why would we encourage a seperate forum specifically for gay people to only exclude the gay population--even if only online more when being gay is just as normal as being straight and gay people's relational difficulties and hardships can be addressed in an already established forum with straight people??

I agree with Alex [above] that there should just be a forum called Teen Sexuality, for people to talk and ask about orientations in general. It's not about excluding anyone, gay or otherwise; it's about helping each other find answers we couldn't find other places- which is, after all, the purpose of this site, is it not?


Alright, there's my 2 cents [for the moment]

[MoveAlong]

o_o I'm not black...

This is going off topic, but there is no reason to have a forum for people when being gay is natural. Where will you put this new forum? Mental disorders? The only place I can see it being put is there or mixed in with puberty and then it will be trashed--like it already is.
Because teens may need support through these and hardships of being gay. It's supposed to be natural and accepted, but it just isn't. And I think we could do with a forum like that because there's many gay people here, and many to come - they may need help coming out, going to a new school or accepting themselves in their own sexuality (which these topics come up pretty frequently both in the gay bar and in Puberty101)
There's already been posts in this thread about the renaming and where it's going to be put. If we do make this a forum, it's probably going to be renamed "Teen Sexuality" and put in Puberty101.

So to conclude, why would we encourage a seperate forum specifically for gay people to only exclude the gay population--even if only online more when being gay is just as normal as being straight and gay people's relational difficulties and hardships can be addressed in an already established forum with straight people??

It's not going to exclude them because it's there for advice for the lifes they're living in the real world. Just like any forum, it's there for you to talk and get help as well as ask questions.
Plus I want to add that the topic of being black, asian or overweight doesn't have a forum because those topics don't come up on the site that much.

Wow. He has a very good point. If we were to have a gay forum, then wouldn't we have a black forum, or an asian forum? What about the other minorities?

The other minorities can create their own diaries and topics in other forums. If the site gets enough threads about this topic, there might be a consideration for an official forum. Since it's not discussed often enough, why should we create a forum for it? :P

[Antares]

This is a poor idea. If VT advertises diversity and acceptance, setting aside a forum for something such as homosexuality is contradicting. Being gay is no different than being black or white and having a forum for something as this only makes homosexuality look unnatural and different, when that is the last thing gay people want to be perceived as. There are no topics in the gay bar diary that people couldn't solve in the WPR or the normal relationship forum because gay people are not creeps that need a seperate forum to address there relational needs in or problems in. We might as well have a forum for fat people so they can feel normal. The gay bar diary is enough already.

ALSO, I agree with the idea of the name being changed. The gay bar is slutty--which actually does fit most of the gay community anyways, but its too crude.

hey that wasnt very nice "The gay bar is slutty--which actually does fit most of the gay community anyways," you could spark a huge argument and trust me you wont win. also i understand what you are saying but i disagree and believe they should open that. and im sure if we name it "am i gay" the traffic in the site will double or even triple. which most people would like.

also movealong has a point. i only know 2 black people on here for sure and why would we open a forum or diary when we have barely have anyone discuss it with or even relate to.

[what the?]

Wow, I can't believe that a debate has been raging on about a topic so dear to my heart and I haven't got involved, so here is contribution.


I'm black as well, Austin, and I would like to disagree with this point. I have dealt all my life with black jokes, references, etc, but only twice have I ever experienced outright dislike and prejudice- and most of my life has been lived in very white suburbs. My many gay friends, however, differ greatly. They have dealt with much greater ridicule than I have and what they go through is much less joking and much more heinous. And as far as being fat goes...have you ever seen a hate crime against a fat person before? B/c....I haven't. Ridicule, yes of course, but actual prejudice, never.

I agree with Alex [above] that there should just be a forum called Teen Sexuality, for people to talk and ask about orientations in general. It's not about excluding anyone, gay or otherwise; it's about helping each other find answers we couldn't find other places- which is, after all, the purpose of this site, is it not?


Can I just say, this is one wise lady, and you should definitely adhere to what she's saying.

Firstly, I know this is a little off topic, but in response to what this lady said (sorry, I don't know your name), there is far more homophobia at my school than there is racial hatred. To to be racist, or use a racial slur, would be highly unacceptable and you probably would literally end up getting killed or very badly assaulted, no joke. On the other hand, to be abusive against gays is pretty much celebrated. I'm not going to go into detail, but on one occasion, as I walked into school, someone actually shouted, "I hope you burn in hell!". Need I say any more.

Austin, I can understand where you're coming from, but it's not about segregating a certain population of VT, because in my opinion, this so called "Teen Sexuality" forum wouldn't be exclusively for gays/bis whatever, it would be an all encompassing forum for people to discuss their problems, worries, fears, experiences, anything, relating to sexuality.

I think people are too worried about these so called "noobs" or whatever they're called, posting in this forum, how's that for prejudice? Just because someone is young, is new to this community, might not be that bright, does that mean they're not allowed to post? You can't stop being posting stupid questions, and I'm not saying ignorance is bliss, but you have to appreciate that everyone has questions, that they want answers to, and that's what we're here to provide. If you don't like it, no ones forcing you to stay lol.

I would finally like to add that I honestly don't think it really matters all that much whether questions about sexuality end up in 'Discussions', or 'Puberty 101', or 'Relationships', or the gay bar, anywhere, as long as they're relevant, that all I care about. I think some people are too hung up about all this sort of, 'forum snobbery' as I like to call it lol. Jeez, live a little, there's no need to get heated over a forum?

Sorry if what I've said has upset anyone, take it up with me by PM, not here. Thanks :)

Ashley x

[Mannequin]

*Sigh*

I'm not going to quote all of this, but I will respond to what I have read and can remember in this one post.

1. I'm gay, most youthful gays go to gay bars and are therefore "sluts" by my terms. Nearly every gay male appears to be so driven by sex, although that is just males in general I suppose..but 2 males makes it 2x as slutty.

2. Ashley, the way you put it makes it sound better. Although honestly I don't truely care if this forum is created I really just enjoy sparking up mischief and arguing with people. Maybe I care more than I think. I just don't see why this forum will be soooo useful when every question will be the same and you can answer 75% of the questions with one of two answers "its hormones ORRR if you like the same sex your gay--get over it". I don't see why we need a seperate forum for that when we have so far expanded the puberty forum already when VT IS NOT EVEN ABOUT PUBERTY AND THE GROWING TEEN AND WE EVEN HAVE A SEPERATE SITE FOR THAT STUFF.

3. Movealong, I thought I had read before that you were black. I can see why you want this sexuality forum. You are an active poster in the puberty forums and have yet to show your face. Your avatar only adds to my first point of your horniness and that most gay males are sluts. I'm probably taking your avatar too seriously, but any gay male that has been on vt for that long and puberty still fascinates them--well nvm.

4. To the black girl, I am referring to past segregation. Also, I never said all black people. People of minorities tend to be so quick to finger BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN BETRAYED IN THE PAST. You are very fortunate, many blacks at my school are talked about rudely behind there backs and get picked on. Feel fortunate. I imagine you live in a mostly colored area aswell.

5. If I missed any, oh well.

[MoveAlong]

3. Movealong, I thought I had read before that you were black. I can see why you want this sexuality forum. You are an active poster in the puberty forums and have yet to show your face. Your avatar only adds to my first point of your horniness and that most gay males are sluts. I'm probably taking your avatar too seriously, but any gay male that has been on vt for that long and puberty still fascinates them--well nvm.

1) I have fun. I had a guy that sings slutty gay songs as my avatar. Big deal.

2) I know about puberty and I'm an active member in a certain part of the forum. Big deal.

3) http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?p=148443
Scroll down to "MoveAlong"

[Mannequin]

"GAY PIMP"

whatever though, I think your somewhat cute actually. It's a shame to see you leave. I know I was mean to you.

[Serenity]

I really just enjoy sparking up mischief and arguing with people.

Now is that really wise?


"its hormones ORRR if you like the same sex your gay--get over it"

I can think of several insatances where neither of those answers would be sufficent.


You are an active poster in the puberty forums and have yet to show your face. Your avatar only adds to my first point of your horniness and that most gay males are sluts. I'm probably taking your avatar too seriously, but any gay male that has been on vt for that long and puberty still fascinates them--well nvm.

a) He did post pictures of himself in the VT Photo Album 2007 edition- and yes I know because as I said in my post on that thread I looked through every single of those 70-some pages. Not that that has anything to do with ANYTHING.
b) It's a firework. Chill.
c) What's wrong with still posting about puberty after being on the forums for a year? The majority of his posts were in answer to other people's questions anyway, which is the reason people post- to get answers. I really don't see how that is wrong in any way.


4. To the black girl,

THANK YOU I HAVE A FUCKING NAME.

There's not much else you could do to insult me.


I am referring to past segregation.

What does past segregation have to do with anything?? If the Gay Bar was to become a forum, I seriously doubt people would be asking for advice about the history of gays. We live in the PRESENT and we're talking about CURRENT issues and the way people feel RIGHT NOW.


I imagine you live in a mostly colored area aswell.

AS I SAID I have spent the majority of my life in WHITE SUBURBAN AREAS.


You should really read more carefully before posting.

[Mannequin]

*sigh* I think I did pretty well when not quoting and remembering the raw facts to a pretty sufficient percent. Why are you dragging this argument of racism onward. I only wanted to make a point that rascism and homophobia and just as great of problems. Just as many people are rascist as homophobic. I'm glad your not made fun of--good for you. I think teen sexuality would only be a trash forum AND SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN A PSYCHIATRIC WARD FORUM.

We have gone to wanting to delete puberty SHIT to expanding it to three forums, which is now going to be four. I say sexuality is puberty related. because most of the crises just involve curiousity and hormones.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. you can call me white boy if it makes you feel better because obviously RACISM upsets you like homophobia does me.

love.

[Everglow]

[QUOTE=Mannequin;167121 I say sexuality is puberty related. because most of the crises just involve curiousity and hormones.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. you can call me white boy if it makes you feel better because obviously RACISM upsets you like homophobia does me.[/QUOTE]

Sexuality is puberty related, but it spans beyond the realms of just puberty. Granted, most of the puberty threads involve curiosity and hormones, but there are other sexuality oriented crises that are not necessarily limited to puberty. Take for example the struggles of growing up bisexual or homosexual. These types of threads do not necessarily belong in the puberty forums. Homosexuality and bisexuality are not parts of puberty, they are parts of life. Puberty merely facilitates ones sexual attachments and likings. Now should struggles with sexuality go to say TWPR, perhaps, but they get overlooked as TWPR has basically become a place for the general discussion. Not a lot of help will come from there. Additionally, sexuality struggles deserve more attention than just general discussion.

As for the second part, chill. No one needs to be raising any tempers. Take a step back and breathe...the both of you. Val, I know you’ve committed no offense, but breathe before you say something out of line

[ArtistInNeed]

I think it should be an official forum, I think it would give a chance for curious ppl or gay and lesbian people to actually have a chance to share theire experiences, and itll give them a sense that theyre not alone in the world and even if they do feel like outcasts at home they can come here and feel normal. Im bisexual and i would love to have it an official forum. True it could go into puberty, but sexual orientation...isnt really puberty. And here, if it gets too sexual and out of hand and innapropriate, culdnt u just get rid of it?

[Ironic Infidel In England]

I think it should be an official forum, I think it would give a chance for curious ppl or gay and lesbian people to actually have a chance to share theire experiences, and itll give them a sense that theyre not alone in the world and even if they do feel like outcasts at home they can come here and feel normal. Im bisexual and i would love to have it an official forum. True it could go into puberty, but sexual orientation...isnt really puberty. And here, if it gets too sexual and out of hand and innapropriate, culdnt u just get rid of it?

I agree. :)

[redcar]

4. To the black girl, I am referring to past segregation. Also, I never said all black people. People of minorities tend to be so quick to finger BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN BETRAYED IN THE PAST. You are very fortunate, many blacks at my school are talked about rudely behind there backs and get picked on. Feel fortunate. I imagine you live in a mostly colored area aswell.


Austin don't even go down that road. I consider this racist, don't do it again.

This thread is about the Gay Bar being made into an official forum, however if it continues along the way it is going now, I will lock it.

[ArtistInNeed]

This forum IS NOT for discussing racism, if you reallly realllly wanna talk about that make ur own damn post about it. I am fully committed into helping make the gay bar an official forum, not discussing the do's and dont's of racism. The whole conversation should have never even started in the first place.

[Mannequin]

Just make the damn forum. It must suck to feel so alone in your gayness. I'm quite content. ^.^

[ArtistInNeed]

Damn dude, youre really pissing me off.

[Mannequin]

I'm sorry. That came out rudely.

[Maverick]

Stop disrupting this thread Austin. I don't want to see anymore posts that aren't related to the discussion of the gay bar.

[CryingEye666]

i agree with Anthony
Artist In Need is almost/maybe my girlfriend lol
dont be mean to her =P
im serious though

[MoveAlong]

I've got two questions for an Admin

1) why hasn't Dante voted? He's a member of the senior staff.
2) are we going to make it an official forum?

Thanks :D

[CryingEye666]

i hope it does become an official forum =P

[ArtistInNeed]

it better :D lol

[Mannequin]

i agree with Anthony
Artist In Need is almost/maybe my girlfriend lol
dont be mean to her =P
im serious though

1. Get a real girlfriend--online relationships actually don't even work.
2. Why hasn't the forum progress began/ended?

[ArtistInNeed]

hes not an online bf asshole. i have a bf in real life. mind your business and keep ur stupid questions about other ppl in ur mouth

[CryingEye666]

1( i dont need someone fighting for me
2( Mannequin you're a prick and bothering me so shut up [please]

[Maverick]

Enough of the fighting. Any further posts will be only about the gay bar or receive an infraction.

[Antares]

Well apart from that inapprpriatness...disipline???
Whats goin on? Admins please keep us posted!!!
And i never knew it was such a debate to make 1 frickin forum!
basically HAS IT BEEN DECIDED YET????

[redcar]

Well seeing as it has not been created nor have you recieved informtation stating that it will not be created, it is currently in the discussion stages.

[Antares]

oh sorry. i didnt really know. and to be honest I really dont understand. Why is there so much debate behind this?

[redcar]

Well there is the negatives that have to taken into account as well. For example: What type of people will this attract? The wrong type?
Will there be much extra moderating to do?
Will it be of overall benifit to the community or just a place to attract unwanted guests?

[MoveAlong]

Those are very good points to consider!
I think we should kick one of the inactive mods of Puberty101 and add someone else, preferably a GLBT mod.

I also think it'll bring the right type of people - the whole forum will be more open to GLBTQ folk as a lot of people stay in Puberty101 because they don't know that the Gay Bar exists (I know because that's what I thought when I was a guest, I came from Puberty101 :P) and more so, we'll provide a place to ask for coming out advice and questions about gay community.

Although it does need to be cleaned up. I've read everything in the Gay Bar and I'm waiting to PM someone with all the links, because it's a bit messy :P I'd just rather do it myself :| See, most of the threads were locked instead of deleted and some need to be removed because it doesn't fit an official forum - James used it as a diary, and some things are just about him that should be removed.

Also, I updated the Puberty101 rules to make them much more clearer and easier to read. There's a chance that more people will read them - and will get the idea. Hopefully the new moderator will be very active like Ant and will catch things fast.

Lastly I think that it will help the forum as a whole, because more people will see the forum and it would be easier to get support for GLBTQ help - it's not very clear because a lot of people don't even know the Gay Bar existed (I know I didn't when I first visted the site)
Sure, there'll be trouble-makers, but I don't think it'll be all that hard to catch stuff if we just get another active Puberty101 mod.

[Antares]

oh ok. thanks alex and zach.
thanks for the clarification and also i agree with zach about well most of it. well REALLY strongly with most of it. anyways i have one more question. what is GLBT and GLBTQ

[redcar]

GLBT stands for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender.
GLBTQ stands for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, Questioning or Queer or both.

Personally I prefer the LGBT acronym.

[DouggyO.o]

I prefer Gblt---Gay bi lesbian transgender; or to get funny, good bacon letice and tomato haha.

[MoveAlong]

Well personally I prefer GLBTQ, because Questioning is a hard stage to be in (it's when you're finding out your sexuality) and I like to include those who are Questioning (I've seen a few Questioning people on the site)

[Whisper]

....okay, anyway
as far as the forum
were still in the decesion stages nothings been confirmed either way yet and as soon as anything changes
One of us will inform everyone
alrighty

[Bobby]

How about we be blatantly honest and just call it.
"Sexual Orientation"

Another thing, is this a place for GBLT to hang out and discuss, or a place for questions about sexuality?

[Maverick]

It would be a forum for all sexualities to receive help with matters regarding sexuality and discuss things related.

If this forum is for all sexualities like what Alex has said I don't see the importance of the acronym.

[Aηdy]

I'm sure lots of people don't even know what GBLT means! I didn't until recently!

How about we be blatantly honest and just call it.
"Sexual Orientation" I second that!

[Whisper]

It would be a forum for all sexualities to receive help with matters regarding sexuality and discuss things related.

If this forum is for all sexualities like what Alex has said I don't see the importance of the acronym.

Agreed

[MoveAlong]

How about we be blatantly honest and just call it.
"Sexual Orientation"
I second that!

Umm, Bobby said that, not me :rolleyes:
I think it should be "Teen Sexuality" personally! I think the title sounds more friendly. Can you hear how plain "Sexual Orientation" sounds compared to "Teen Sexuality"? Teen Sexuality sounds more open and friendly.

Also, the GLBTQ acronyms wouldn't be exactly needed, but they'll probably be used a lot in the forum

[Bobby]

I just think that Sexuality will make people think sex, and Sexual Orientation is just straight forward.

[MoveAlong]

It looks and sounds weird there. I can see your point, but you didn't answer my question: doesn't it sound a bit plain??? :P

Plus the forum announcements, stickies and thread titles should be enough to make people get the idea. And it is called sexuality - we're just using it a different way of it's many interpretations (got bless the English language...)
All posts that ask about sex will be locked. We don't have to make this perfect - if the problem comes up enough, then we can change it.

[Bobby]

Yeah, but I think they both sound plain. I think either of the names will do fine, but I am just leaning towards one.

[DouggyO.o]

It looks and sounds weird there. I can see your point, but you didn't answer my question: doesn't it sound a bit plain??? :P

Plus the forum announcements, stickies and thread titles should be enough to make people get the idea. And it is called sexuality - we're just using it a different way of it's many interpretations (got bless the English language...)
All posts that ask about sex will be locked. We don't have to make this perfect - if the problem comes up enough, then we can change it.

as if any body reads the stickies and announcements though :-(

[Serenity]

as if any body reads the stickies and announcements though :-(

Yeah I was thinking the same thing

[Maverick]

Um how do you know no one reads stickies? Just because a few members don't doesn't mean everyone doesn't. If people read them and leave and don't post, then they've been helped. Just because you don't get some kind of proof someone has read them, doesn't mean they aren't being read.

A new Puberty sticky has only been up for a few days and has 255 views so people do read them. It's not like there's a place for them to sign to show that they've read it.

[MoveAlong]

as if any body reads the stickies and announcements though :-(

You can see the announcement view count and see that the Puberty stickies are read quite often - I made sure one way or another that it'll happen (redirects from the previous Puberty FAQ [why wasn't that done before? how stupid], a decent name etc)

Even if they don't read them, us having those stickies there will definatley decrease the amount of rule violation rather than having nothing.

And there's always gonna be trouble makers...there's no perfect forum with nobody violating any rules. But by us having these rules and statements up there, it'll decrease the chances. We can take the other risks and if anything comes up, we can copensate by being stricter on moderating or throw up a temporary sticky/announcement bringing up that one problem (like Alex did with the "Reminder for all members" announcement)

Also, the forum description and the thread content of the forum should make it pretty clear what the forum is used for.

[Aηdy]

Umm, Bobby said that, not me :rolleyes:
I think it should be "Teen Sexuality" personally! I think the title sounds more friendly. Can you hear how plain "Sexual Orientation" sounds compared to "Teen Sexuality"? Teen Sexuality sounds more open and friendly.

Also, the GLBTQ acronyms wouldn't be exactly needed, but they'll probably be used a lot in the forum
So it was xD I just saw the green face and assumed it was you lol!

[Trademarked]

i dont think the gay bar should be a forum, but i do think that we should have a forum for people questioning their sexuality.

[MoveAlong]

i dont think the gay bar should be a forum, but i do think that we should have a forum for people questioning their sexuality.

I think we could kill two birds with one stone and go ahead and make both forums the same

[redcar]

i dont think the gay bar should be a forum, but i do think that we should have a forum for people questioning their sexuality.
But you see having a forum Teen Sexuality actually covers that. I want to emphasise that this wouldn't be a forum dedicated to being gay. But all sexualities.

[Antares]

I agree with Alex. I dont think that it is a good idea to have two seperate forums becuase IMO the only reason that I agree witht he creation of this forum is a place where people can questoin sexuallity and discuss their sexuality. if we had two seperate froums I would disagree with the creation of it.

[MoveAlong]

It woulda been nice if we got an update in this thread about how the idea went through officially :|

And I still think there's a problem - first, Ashley's "Concerned about your Sexuality?" forum doesn't really fit the shoe of an official forum and I think it could be a lot more simple. Second, why do we have just one GLB moderator? Seems like we should have a strong GLB force in there, with at least 2 GLB mods. Third, there are more than 15 threads in there that need to be deleted because

1) there's spam posts that weren't deleted in the first place,
2) they give a bad image of that forum,
3) All those threads that James made were way personal and fit for a diary, not an official forum and make it seem like people can go creating a whole bunch of threads about their story, and
4) There's many unmoderated posts such as "can I have links to a site that has shirtless guys?" or "does anybody live in the Oklahoma City area? If so, PM me and we can chat, I'd like to meet up..." that just haven't been deleted, or at least locked since the forum was created!

[redcar]

Well the process from start to finish was, it was brought up here initially and also in the Senior Staff forum and discussed at both levels. It was then also discussed by all members of staff and finally a decision was reached by the senior staff to go ahead with it.

Seeing as it is a new forum, and was previously a diary there will be problems with threads at the start due to the transition. Now it will be down to the moderators of the Puberty section to filter through whats there and what should be added and taken away.

As for GLB represtantion in there in the form of staff for the forum. I think on that level we are actually ok.

[MoveAlong]

I disagree with the last sentence - first, we have 5 mods for the Psych Ward and 4 mods for Puberty, which gets at least 50% more traffic, and Ant is the only one that's on for most of the day and reads most of the posts.

I'm starting to have a problem with how the puberty mods are. Lemmie tell you something - I have Anthony on my messenger. He does read a lot of the posts in puberty, don't get me wrong - but I report most of the threads and individual posts to him that need moderating through MSN. I feel like I should have a mod job because I read literally every single post in the puberty forums (girls, boys and general puberty), I catch everything that's wrong, and I give the most advice out of all the members on the site.

I know the reasons why I shouldn't be picked. That's not the point - the point is we should have a few back-up mods. Andy's on and can catch a few things, Carol gives advice, Adam's off on vacation and Ant's doing most of the moderating. I feel like it's gonna fall apart if we don't change it or add another moderator.

It's just bothering me...

[redcar]

You disagree with statement about us having proper GLB representation? Why?

If there are posts that need moderating all you need to do is use the Report Post feature. Remember we have GMods and Admins as well who can deal with problem posts or threads.

[MoveAlong]

Hah, I don't trust the Gmods at all...

I disagree that we have enough GLB representation because it seems like there's not enough moderators to look up to or to identify with as far as that goes. Andy's straight and I'm pretty sure he won't give advice on that, I don't see that Adam will be super active in the puberty forums, Ant can help and can give good advice, and Carol would post but not a lot. It's just one moderator out of 4, which should even be 5...that seems a little short to me

[redcar]

Your being very presumptuous over how the mods will act in the new forum and I think its very unfair. Any member can give advice. And if a problem arises I have confidence that the moderators will act and sort it out.

[Whisper]

Hah, I don't trust the Gmods at all...
I'm sorry you feel that way
but your personal vendeta has nothing to do with the staff or daily site operations

I disagree that we have enough GLB representation because it seems like there's not enough moderators to look up to or to identify with as far as that goes. Andy's straight and I'm pretty sure he won't give advice on that, I don't see that Adam will be super active in the puberty forums, Ant can help and can give good advice, and Carol would post but not a lot. It's just one moderator out of 4, which should even be 5...that seems a little short to me

Alrighty thank you for voicing your concerns
I belive you have described every issue quite clearly
The senior staff as always apreciates any and all suggestions and ideas
we will take your concerns into considerations
we will keep you updated

~xXx~

[MoveAlong]

That's my prediction. I have very little faith in the entire staff body and do not trust many members around the forums. Therefore I will make exessively forward predictions based on my opinion and we'll see how it turns out.

[Whisper]

Okay then
all problems concerns ideas and suggestions have been herd
the decesion has been made
and a sub-forum created

the main reason for the thread is sorted

[LOCK]