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PerpetualImperfexion
April 11th, 2012, 10:29 PM
Well what do you think? Will people stop clinging to their beliefs and start to see logic? Before we can answer this question I think we need to ask another one. Why did religion begin? Obviously religious people are going to say they started because it is true. In response to this I'll ask you to think of another religion besides your own and ask the same question. If you ask me religion serves two purposes: controlling humanity and answering the question of where we came from. Now a days we have modern laws to control humanity (for the most part, I know it's not perfect but that's another debate) so that lessens the need for religion in that aspect. Once upon a time people did not have advanced technology that can be used to answer the question of where the univserse came from. So people began to do what they do best, fabricate stories (lies) as to how the universe was created. Most religions came up with the idea of a mythical being who rules over us. Thus religion is formed. So if modern technology and logic stop the need for such fairy tales why are people still buying into it? We've solved the mysteries and problems that these fairy tales were meant to solve.
double r
April 11th, 2012, 10:31 PM
No, we will never lose religion because it is human nature to look up to something, to believe that their is hope and a saver who gives and takes life.
Superior
April 11th, 2012, 10:33 PM
i agree...without religion the world would be in chaos...
Gothicdeer
April 11th, 2012, 10:34 PM
1. Kinda watch what you say...you may never know who you offend
2. How does one know that religious stories are lies?
3. Not all people pick a religion for answers...I didn't
4. And logic has its corruption just like religion
5. No I don't think It will end and I hope you are not promoting the end of religion
PerpetualImperfexion
April 11th, 2012, 10:45 PM
1. Kinda watch what you say...you may never know who you offend
2. How does one know that religious stories are lies?
3. Not all people pick a religion for answers...I didn't
4. And logic has its corruption just like religion
5. No I don't think It will end and I hope you are not promoting the end of religion
1. I don't THINK I offended anyone if I did I apologize.
2. Yeah lies was the wrong noun, false logic. Then we can also look at what the Catholics did. They took a lot of what the bible said and twisted it to control their people.
3. Ok so you were probably forced into it from childhood? or maybe you were having a really shitty life so you looked to religion for some false hope?
4. Logic can't be corrupt. Logic is... well the best definition I can give to it is complete and total truth.
5. I don't really understand the idea of faith and belief of something you can't see and I definitely think the world would be better without religion, but I understand that you must respect people's right to believe whatever they'd like to.
Gothicdeer
April 11th, 2012, 10:52 PM
1. I don't THINK I offended anyone if I did I apologize.
2. Yeah lies was the wrong noun, false logic. Then we can also look at what the Catholics did. They took a lot of what the bible said and twisted it to control their people.
3. Ok so you were probably forced into it from childhood? or maybe you were having a really shitty life so you looked to religion for some false hope?
4. Logic can't be corrupt. Logic is... well the best definition I can give to it is complete and total truth.
5. I don't really understand the idea of faith and belief of something you can't see and I definitely think the world would be better without religion, but I understand that you must respect people's right to believe whatever they'd like to.
1. You didnt, just a heads up
2. Yes there was corruption in the catholic church but you can control humans with logic as well
3. Ive lived and seen stuff that tells me there's a God
4. Logic can be wrong and weak
5. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion
I have a Q...what do you believe happens when we die?
PerpetualImperfexion
April 11th, 2012, 10:56 PM
1. You didnt, just a heads up
2. Yes there was corruption in the catholic church but you can control humans with logic as well
3. Ive lived and seen stuff that tells me there's a God
4. Logic can be wrong and weak
5. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion
I have a Q...what do you believe happens when we die?
I believe one of two things happen:
1.) You rot in the ground.
2.) You are burned in a large furnace and put on display in a vase in a loved one's house or spread over a place you found significant in your life
Don't be dumb either, I understand there are other situations, but you get what I mean.
Gothicdeer
April 11th, 2012, 10:57 PM
Yeah I get ya....
Aves
April 11th, 2012, 11:08 PM
Some people need to believe in a higher power, one that no body can overthrow. I for one find religion to be a wonderful thing in the world. I have my beliefs and I stick to them.
Religion is one of those things that just is, whatever religion it is. I can understand some people not believing in a higher power, and I'm not saying that makes them uneducated or dumb. In my honest opinion, religion is one of those topics that should be left as is. People are going to believe what they do. The only thing that will change that is an experience, one that is not forced.
TBJohnston
April 11th, 2012, 11:48 PM
Religion will never just completely disappear. Numbers have been decreasing for quite some time now, but knowing that it's human nature to think outside the box and require immediate answers for their questions the god construct won't be going anywhere any time soon.
People might of actually believed in their gods that they knew made up, but religion wasn't created by people because they thought it was true but because all questions require answers. For example, imagine yourself at a time around 10,000 BCE and seeing all those lightning bolts in the sky. What are they and where do they come from? At the time, obviously we didn't have a proper answer so the only reasonable explanation they could give themselves would be some sort of deity. There're deity's for all kinds of things, take for example Amon-Ra the Egyptian sun god, or Pan the god of nature. I believe the great abundance is a clear answer as to why they were created, for explanations.
People will keep believing because people are credulous. Most people realise there isn't a great deal of truth that lay in their theistic beliefs, but it's that need to believe because without it they aren't left with anything. You're views on religion seem a little bias, you've clearly demonstrated some of the negatives but you seem blinded by those that you've failed to seem some of the positives it brings. Now I'm an atheist, but understand as to why most people believe because I was once catholic; religion is was keeps most people sane! :lol:
Iron Man
April 12th, 2012, 12:56 AM
i agree...without religion the world would be in chaos...
The world is constantly in chaos (case in point, wars, genocide, government suppression of free expression). I don't believe in God, myself, but I won't stop people from believing in something, because I don't know all of the answers. For all we know, we are completely right about everything that has been hypothesized, that God, the big bang, and 2+2=4 exists. Or we are completely wrong, and it just a fabrication of human curiosity.
Genghis Khan
April 12th, 2012, 02:39 AM
Collective religion, as in cults will die out. Irrational beliefs will always be there but as the generations go by, children tend to be more liberal than their parents and leave behind whatever traditional values they hold.
i agree...without religion the world would be in chaos...
The funny thing is how the reality is exactly the opposite of what you've just said.
Mortal Coil
April 12th, 2012, 03:31 AM
Well, religion started (in my opinion) because people needed an explanation. I'm not saying that's the incentive of all religious people, but it is why I think religions began to develop.
I don't think religion will end, because if you look at history, each set of beliefs fell from its golden age, but was always succeeded by another: the ancient Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, etc. all had their own deities and beliefs, but you don't see anyone praying to Zeus anymore. That's my opinion, anyway.
dontcare97
April 12th, 2012, 05:36 AM
Religion will never die because most modern religion can be boiled down on moral codes. The Bible, Koran, Torah, and other Holy Books are just telling people how to live their lives to the fullest, forget all the parts that you might think are false. They all are based in common decency and love for other human beings, how you love and do good is open to interpretation. Civilized law works the same way. That's why it's easy for people, especially Christians in America, to say that the law is the Bible. The Bible is a type of law, not THE law, and not everyone should or wants to follow it. YOu can't ban abortion on religious grounds because your religion isn't my religion, or anyone else's.
Really, religion can help and destroy just like any other law or order. As long as you know that since your religion is not THE law for everyone and you shouldn't force anyone to follow them if they don't want to, then we will all be fine. Just stop forcing it on everyone. My Jesus is not a lil white baby with blonde hair. My god doesn't rest about golden clouds.
Religion will never die but how people see and use it will change. It always is and there is no problem with that as long as it's in moderation.
Truth
April 12th, 2012, 01:37 PM
One day, humans will realize how stupid they have been, and abolish the existence of religion. This is the day science advances to a point where we can literally figure out how to create a human ourself. I can only hope it's soon, as religion is causing the world to advance slower and slower as time moves.
The day humans realize religion has been used to control them for 2000 years.. will be a wonderful day!
No, we will never lose religion because it is human nature to look up to something, to believe that their is hope and a saver who gives and takes life. When humans are smart enough to come up with their own theories, religion will die. Religion is for people too lazy to figure it out themself.
i agree...without religion the world would be in chaos... Chaos? Chaos, as in, the crusades? Where millions of innocent virgins were raped, children slaughtered, and men dying on the battlefield due to the christian religion thinking it is the most superior religion? What else would you call that?
Religion has halted the advancement of science for thousands of years, kept tyrannical leaders in power, and given the church all of the political power it wants to save their pedophile leaders.
Erasmus
April 12th, 2012, 04:15 PM
No. There's no way that the billions of religious people in this world would ever all give up their religions...
dannym2326
April 12th, 2012, 04:34 PM
Even though I consider religion to be poisonous I don't see it going away anytime soon.
Truth
April 12th, 2012, 05:18 PM
No, we will never lose religion because it is human nature to look up to something, to believe that their is hope and a saver who gives and takes life.
No. There's no way that the billions of religious people in this world would ever all give up their religions... Every single person alive right now, will be dead in 150 years, at the most.
Jess
April 12th, 2012, 06:13 PM
Nope. it might get less popular, but it'll never die...
Gothicdeer
April 12th, 2012, 08:24 PM
I love how people say religious people are idiots cause they believe somthing they "made up" that really makes me laugh.....
PerpetualImperfexion
April 12th, 2012, 08:37 PM
I love how people say religious people are idiots cause they believe somthing they "made up" that really makes me laugh.....
Quite frankly there is no way to prove that Christianity was or was not made up. Some of the things that are in the bible don't match up with what we know today. That makes sense cause from an atheists point of few I believe religion was created because people were looking for answers. It only makes sense that they would be dis proven in the future
Truth
April 12th, 2012, 08:38 PM
I love how people say religious people are idiots cause they believe somthing they "made up" that really makes me laugh..... I think religious people are idiots because we live in a universe with hundreds of thousands of planets exactly similar to earth that could have life forms on them, yet somehow they think god made all of these planets just for them. Hahaha. :yes:
Gothicdeer
April 12th, 2012, 08:52 PM
Just know that all Christians are not all the same...just like Atheists are not all the same
Rage of the Menace
April 13th, 2012, 07:19 AM
1. I don't THINK I offended anyone if I did I apologize.
2. Yeah lies was the wrong noun, false logic. Then we can also look at what the Catholics did. They took a lot of what the bible said and twisted it to control their people.
3. Ok so you were probably forced into it from childhood? or maybe you were having a really shitty life so you looked to religion for some false hope?
4. Logic can't be corrupt. Logic is... well the best definition I can give to it is complete and total truth.
5. I don't really understand the idea of faith and belief of something you can't see and I definitely think the world would be better without religion, but I understand that you must respect people's right to believe whatever they'd like to.
I'm Catholic, and what the church did was Religious Politics, not changing the religion itself.
Definition of Logic: "Reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity"
The world without religion, whether it is true or not, the masses need something to believe in. How can you even prove to me the world would be better without religion? You can't, because it's never happened, hence that opinion would be prejudice.
Genghis Khan
April 13th, 2012, 07:30 AM
The world without religion, whether it is true or not, the masses need something to believe in.
No they don't.
How can you even prove to me the world would be better without religion? You can't, because it's never happened, hence that opinion would be prejudice.
You're right. We can't take every variable into account when analysing what the world would be like without religion because it's impossible. But assuming ceterus paribus (all other factors remain equal) people would have one less thing to fight over, therefore it would be relatively more peaceful in theory.
Lights
April 13th, 2012, 09:17 AM
No they don't.
They shouldn't, but they do. From an Atheist view point, it's easy to say that people do not need something to believe in. It's easy to say that because we, as Atheists, don't believe in a higher being such as a god. But when you look at it from anyone's side who is religious, it is too difficult to process for them that their is the chance of there being no god(s). I'm trying not to focus on Christianity here, because there are so many other faiths such as Hinduism where there are multiple gods.
When you think about it, for the most part, having something to believe in is just a source of comfort for many people. That's why you find so many people in their later years turning religious, because it brings them comfort and a kind of socialness that they might have been lacking. Of course I absolutely see the point that religion has caused so many wars, but I'm looking at this from a more general viewpoint where I feel that religion can be helpful in bringing people peace and happiness. Sure, they may be believing in something that's not real, but hey, if it brings them comfort, then so be it.
Religion constantly passes down through generations. Parents teach their children to share their beliefs, which makes them equally committed to their God. As this continues to happen through most faiths in the world, there is no way we can even contemplate an end to religion. But as I've been saying, why should there be an end to it? Terrorism and such may have resulted from religion, but on the whole those who are a part of that religion do not cause any harm or grief, it's just a select few extremists who misinterpret certain things and take them into their own hands.
To conclude, I just want to say that no, religion won't be coming to an end any time soon, and also, I don't think it should have to come to an end, because while I am an Atheist myself, I can see how much comfort and peace it brings many people. Religion can help people overcome the most difficult of things like drinking and smoking. It has its negatives, like anything does, but religion is something that helps many people keep on the right tracks; even if it can make them bigoted and conceded because they take their a faith to a whole new level.
For the record, I actually find passionate religious people very frustrating for the most part because they are very narrow minded and often difficult to communicate with, I'm just thinking that if religion brings some people happiness, calmness and peacefulness, then there really shouldn't be a question of whether or not the people of the world need something to believe in or not. Despite everything, however, the world does not need most of the things it has, but even if religion is one of those things, it's hard to doubt that it's here to stay.
/waffle
HeroesAndCons
April 13th, 2012, 02:17 PM
its pretty fucking impossible. I look up to my faith and many seek comfort with theirs. So no.
Truth
April 14th, 2012, 02:49 AM
its pretty fucking impossible. I look up to my faith and many seek comfort with theirs. So no. You and every single one of them will be dead one day. Maybe the next generation will be smarter. :wub:
Remember in the 1600's, the citizens gave all of their money to the church and executed anyone who questioned god needing their money.
PerpetualImperfexion
April 14th, 2012, 10:45 AM
There's always the small chance that a dictator will take over the world and ban religion.
Thunduhbuhlt
April 14th, 2012, 11:16 PM
As long as I am alive, religion will not end. That is all.
Just kidding.
Isn't atheism technically a religion? If so, wouldn't that make religion never end no matter what?
ImCoolBeans
April 14th, 2012, 11:19 PM
Atheism is the lack of belief in a God, not a practiced religion.
kenoloor
April 14th, 2012, 11:19 PM
Isn't atheism technically a religion? If so, wouldn't that make religion never end no matter what?
Atheism, by definition, is a lack of religion.
Aves
April 14th, 2012, 11:22 PM
Atheism is +1he lack of a religion. Therefore, not a religion.
Gothicdeer
April 14th, 2012, 11:25 PM
Religion will never end...even if It was banned...there is law breakers...because someone on this form basically called Christians law breakers
Thunduhbuhlt
April 14th, 2012, 11:30 PM
Oh, lack of religion. That makes sense...thanks for the clarification.
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