Why so insecure?

[JackShephard]

I have my opinions and you have yours. I wish I didn't have to see a blood bath every time every time religion or politics comes up. Let's have a good discussion about relevant things. Minus the "look at my proof! LOOK HOW RIGHT I AM!!!" there is a difference between challenging someone's opinion and trying to force yours onto them. That's how I feel anyway.

Feel free to disagree :)

[Gothicdeer]

You my friend are a genius...I wish all religions and sexualities would accept each other rather than test their belief...I was about to leave this site for good out of anger but your post kept me here

[JackShephard]

Aww don't leave! VT needs open minds like you! :). But seriously though. I don't see the need to tell someone why they are wrong. It's just rude. People rarely consider the possibility that they could be wrong. Heck! I'm probably wrong about a lot of things. For example: my sexuality clashes with my religious beliefs. How do these coexist? I do not know, but I respect anyone's input on this (seriously, I wonder about this a lot. Any input at all is appreciated)

[Gothicdeer]

Don't worry Im staying hahaha

[JackShephard]

Don't worry Im staying hahaha

GOOD! :) I would friend you, but I am currently on my phone. Lol cant to it from here.

[Gothicdeer]

I'm doing this from my phone to hahaha...I don't have a computer but I learned how to friend people after hours of exploring hahaha

[Skeptical Bear]

I see those threads and EVERYONE goes bat shit crazy. It's fun to look at the posts but it has to end at one point. Or it shouldn't have even started in the first place. No disagreeing on your point.

[Stryker125]

Agreed. I think religion, sexuality, and opinions are like having penis. It's fine to have one and fine to be proud of it. But please don't pull it out and wave it around in public and please don't shove it down people's throats.

[Aves]

There's a difference between shoving opinions down someones throats and shoving facts down someone's throat.

[JackShephard]

I see those threads and EVERYONE goes bat shit crazy. It's fun to look at the posts but it has to end at one point. Or it shouldn't have even started in the first place. No disagreeing on your point.

People are passionate I guess. But let's be considerate. Hey, I like your username.

[ImCoolBeans]

There's a difference between shoving opinions down someones throats and shoving facts down someone's throat.

Basically this, and the fact that people don't like to, and generally won't, accept the fact that they can be wrong. People are ignorant, arrogant and snooty, we all fall victim to it too.

[Genghis Khan]

I have my opinions and you have yours. I wish I didn't have to see a blood bath every time every time religion or politics comes up. Let's have a good discussion about relevant things. Minus the "look at my proof! LOOK HOW RIGHT I AM!!!" there is a difference between challenging someone's opinion and trying to force yours onto them. That's how I feel anyway.

Feel free to disagree :)

I don't understand how a reasonable debate can take place without providing evidence, analysing and evaluating the evidence until both positions reach some sort of a mutual conclusion (that or one side wins the debate).

Your example of a good discussion is just a mundane instance of people exchanging polite conversation;

'Hello I'm liberal'
'Well I'm conservative and I respectfully disagree with liberalism in any shape or form'
'Hm, ok.'

[JackShephard]

Maybe I should clarify; yes I agree that there should be debate. As I said there is a difference between challenging an opinion and going to extreme lengths to prove everyone wrong.

[Genghis Khan]

Maybe I should clarify; yes I agree that there should be debate. As I said there is a difference between challenging an opinion and going to extreme lengths to prove everyone wrong.

Is provision of evidence an extreme length?

[DerBear]

Sorry but if you are providing hard fact and valid points then I see no reason that debate should not take place.

However if you have no facts, no evidence and just your opinion then debate kinda goes away and what you believe takes over. This therefore is not a debate when you begin to do this unless the debate is based on personal opinion for example "do you think you should be able to smack your child" other than stating laws this one is personal and moral opinions and therefore can become a blood bath.

A question could be "does god exist" this is one more factual. But when people start to go I believe in god so he must be real. I find it somewhat a tiresome debate.

So the problem with debate is overall:


People won't admit they are wrong
People will use personal opinions to influence a debate and ignore hard fact. (depending on the debate).
The debate gets fueled by personal emotion and then can become insecure and hurtful.


That's just my thoughts on it.

[TBJohnston]

I have my opinions and you have yours. I wish I didn't have to see a blood bath every time every time religion or politics comes up. Let's have a good discussion about relevant things. Minus the "look at my proof! LOOK HOW RIGHT I AM!!!" there is a difference between challenging someone's opinion and trying to force yours onto them. That's how I feel anyway.

Feel free to disagree :)

I agree to some extent, but you've got expect it by now seeing as religion and politics are such controversial subjects and nobody likes hearing others tell them their opinions are wrong. There's a difference between opinions and facts. Even though the 'opposition' mightn't exactly agree with the facts presented, I refuse to stand down and let someone's opinion get in the way of them. (In most cases religion wise, politics is all opinion but that's kind of a grey area for myself)

[kenoloor]

ITT: Teenagers not wanting to think.

[Skeptical Bear]

People are passionate I guess. But let's be considerate. Hey, I like your username.

Yes. Everyone wants their opinion to be heard and not just that, but they want everyone to agree with it, no matter the flaws in them. And thank you. Your squid pic seems to catch my eye. It looks pretty cool. :D

[JackShephard]

Yes. Everyone wants their opinion to be heard and not just that, but they want everyone to agree with it, no matter the flaws in them. And thank you. Your squid pic seems to catch my eye. It looks pretty cool. :D

I'm into printing and design. Lol it has the CMYK cartridges you could find in an every day printer. Sort of a parody. :)

[Rage of the Menace]

True that. I hate it when an atheist starts contradicting my faith right after I say i'm a christian, it's rude and I really don't appreciate it. Much of it sadly happens in real life too.... we just live in an ignorant and arrogant world.

[Gothicdeer]

I think there should be debates but don't BASH another ones belief

[TBJohnston]

True that. I hate it when an atheist starts contradicting my faith right after I say i'm a christian, it's rude and I really don't appreciate it.
As in pointing out the contradictions or basing arguments on false premises?

[Phazit]

Such sensitive and volatile subjects unfortunately breed likewise people which does inevitably culminate in battleground style debates. People have been riled up over religion and politics especially. Regretfully, many terrible things have happened with relation to these subjects for so long that it is virtually impossible to sway beliefs peacefully - such is the custom of offence and disrespect. I only hope that attitudes improve, but sadly, debates will always be corrupt in some way, shape or form and we cannot avoid it. (Unless we create a rule book for debates - which may defeat the whole objective).

[JackShephard]

Such sensitive and volatile subjects unfortunately breed likewise people which does inevitably culminate in battleground style debates. People have been riled up over religion and politics especially. Regretfully, many terrible things have happened with relation to these subjects for so long that it is virtually impossible to sway beliefs peacefully - such is the custom of offence and disrespect. I only hope that attitudes improve, but sadly, debates will always be corrupt in some way, shape or form and we cannot avoid it. (Unless we create a rule book for debates - which may defeat the whole objective).

That's a good idea. I just looked when someone said something about anyone who is religious is not intelligent (or something to that effect.) How does this make a religious person feel? Not very good im sure. And I'm not saying this just out of defense of religious people. Ideally, I would want no judgment for everyone. Athiests, Musilums, Christains, everyone should be free of judgment.

Unfortunately, I don't think such a rule could be enforced. This sort of thing is too widespread in my opinion. We can only hope that attitudes could change for the better.