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thesonicguy
June 23rd, 2007, 09:03 AM
By Associated Press

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - A divorced couple have gone to court to determine whether their son is to be circumcised following his father's conversion to Judaism.

The former Medford man wants his 12-year-old son to undergo the minor surgical procedure, but the boy's mother opposes it.

So far, Oregon courts have squarely sided with the father, who has custody.

"The primary custodial parent is the one that makes the decisions about religion and education and about matters of child-rearing," Kathy Graham, associate dean for academic affairs at Willamette University College of Law.

Other family law experts agree, but say the courts should at least make sure the surgery is in the best interests of the child.

"You're talking about not just religious instruction or whether you're going to send the child to parochial school or public school," said Lawrence Gorin, a Portland attorney. "This is a matter of permanent change of bodily structure. And it's irreversible."

The Oregon Supreme Court has been briefed, but has not decided whether to take the case.

Mark Johnson, a Portland lawyer asked to comment, said the case should not be decided based only on the legal papers filed on behalf of the mother and father.

"Frankly, the child should have a lawyer," Johnson told The Oregonian newspaper, which is not identifying the family in order to protect the privacy of the boy.

The mother filed for divorce in 1998 after the couple married in the early 1990s.

The man started studying Judaism in 1999 and eventually converted. He now lives near Olympia, Wash. The child initially lived with his mother, but the father later gained custody.

In court papers, the father claims the boy gradually concluded that he also wanted to convert to Judaism and understood that it required circumcision.

The father also claims as the custodial parent he had a constitutional right to raise his son in his religion.

The father made an appointment for a circumcision in 2004. But the mother responded by going to court, saying her son told her that he was afraid to defy his father, but didn't want the procedure.

She asked for a hearing in Medford to seek custody of her son. But Jackson County Circuit Judge Rebecca Orf sided with the father.

"I am still of the opinion that the decision of whether or not a child has elective surgery, which this appears to be, is a call that should be made and is reserved to the custodial parent," Orf said in a hearing.

The mother appealed, but the Oregon Court of Appeals affirmed Orf's decision without an opinion, often an indication that the three-judge panel found no merit to the appeal.

More than a million U.S. infants are circumcised each year, but circumcising adults or teens remains relatively rare.

Last month, United Nations health agencies recommended that heterosexual men be circumcised because of compelling evidence it reduces their chances of contracting HIV - the virus that causes AIDS - by up to 60 percent.


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MoveAlong
June 23rd, 2007, 11:42 PM
Actually, cirucmcision can turn into a big deal!
The boy should know everything about circumcision - what happens differently because of it. Frankly, I don't see any way it could prevent HIV, altho you should wear a condom anyway. You shouldn't worry about that because you should rely on a condom and not a piece of skin.

Sure, extra protection can be a good thing, but in this case, I don't think the trade off is that good. If the boy really wants this, then he should be able to reguardless of what his mother says, and vise versa if the whole thing was flipped.

Glasgow
June 24th, 2007, 12:09 AM
This is so silly. He is 12 for god sakes, i think he has the right to do whatever he wants to do to his penis. (Circumsizion FTW:D)

MoveAlong
June 24th, 2007, 12:28 AM
(Circumsizion FTW:D)

Feh, whatever! I say that you shouldn't get circumcised anyway (altho you and your parents do have the freedom) if not for medical reasons.

Plus I say that if you weren't already circumcised at birth, you should forget about it unless you know the risks and really want it or if it's for a health issue.
I don't see much gain in being circumcised anyway, I dunno what glorifies it :|

Sapphire
June 24th, 2007, 06:11 AM
Its a religious thing dating back hundreds of years and it was wanted for these religious reasons. Everyone is entitled to their own religious beliefs and, as long as no one is harmed and no laws are broken in the course of it, are entitled to carry out religious rituals. It's also linked with benefits regarding the males sexual health.
I don't see the issue in this. If the mother had had any sense she would have accepted the initial decision as no other decision would have been reasonable.

kolte
June 24th, 2007, 11:24 AM
I don't think it changes anything with or without. Its like, a useless fold of flesh, no point. Therefor why cut it off? or why worry if someone did? I say let the boy decide by just leaving it alone, if one day, he wants too, when hes older, then let him pay for it himself. Other then that, let sleeping dogs lay.

MoveAlong
June 24th, 2007, 04:20 PM
I don't think it changes anything with or without. Its like, a useless fold of flesh, no point. Therefor why cut it off? or why worry if someone did?

Wrong, it does. Sure, it's your decision, but things do change. You have no idea Kolte, I'm shocked :rolleyes: It's not useless and I won't let anybody say that it is without me babbling on about how it does have a use.

I think you should only worry if someone got cirumcised when you are the person's lover or partner!

Sage
June 25th, 2007, 02:25 PM
It's the boy's decision. Fuck the parents.

mr. self destruct
June 26th, 2007, 06:49 PM
Fuck the parents.
exactly. There shoudn't even be a legal battle about this because it SHOULD be the kids decision whether he wants it or not.

Dante
June 26th, 2007, 10:49 PM
I think the kid should be the final one to decide.

czerwilly12
February 2nd, 2013, 11:41 PM
Let the kid decide but just for the record, circumcision is the shit!

Lyra Heartstrings
February 3rd, 2013, 12:58 AM
This thread is 6 years old. Don't bump threads over 2 months old..much less 6 years.
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