Pro or Anti Gay Marriage

[Zach_014]

I was just wonderin wat everyone here thinks

[Abyssal Echo]

are you Pro gay marriage
Anti gay marriage
if it happens, it happens and i dont care. good for the gay people

Idk what all the fuss is over from what I have been told the gay people can get a civil union which is legally the same as being married. if u want a ceremony thats up 2 u. personally I'm more of a private person so I'll most likely just get the civil union when I find the right guy.

[Skeptical Bear]

Shit man. I'm tired of this.

[Jabbawocke]

Hark. At least gay people have a love in life.
If you have a problem, get laid.

[Skeptical Bear]

Hark. At least gay people have a love in life.
If you have a problem, get laid.

I'm Bi. I'm just getting tired of these polls. Sorry for the confusion.

[Matt_is_Awesome]

Im Straight yet Im all For Gay Marriage. I think we should be able to marry the ones we love whether its the same sex or not.

[Kaius]

Puberty for boys :arrow2: ROTW

[User Deleted]

The U.S. Is already freaking strict enough as it is. I'm all for legalizing it. I think people deserve more control over their own actions and interactions.

[Sugaree]

Man, this isn't going to be one sided at all. Not like we're on a forum filled with LGBT users who absolutely flood threads like these.

[Mortal Coil]

Man, this isn't going to be one sided at all. Not like we're on a forum filled with LGBT users who absolutely flood threads like these.

Amen brotha.

[Korashk]

Idk what all the fuss is over from what I have been told the gay people can get a civil union which is legally the same as being married. if u want a ceremony thats up 2 u. personally I'm more of a private person so I'll most likely just get the civil union when I find the right guy.
In America, at least, a civil union doesn't confer all of the rights that marriage does.

[Jess]

Pro. definitely Pro. for obvious reasons....

[Wicked_Syn]

We should be able to marry whoever the hell we want, regardless of their sex
We should be able to put whatever we want into our bodies; who cares if it fucks up our lives--It's our lives.

We already have the right to practice our own religion, and we all know how much this is fucking up the United States,

And we're already allowed to literally say whatever we want.

So why not be able to marry a guy if you are a guy, or marry a girl if you're a girl?

Why not be able to shoot up crack if you want, it's your body....

To much regulating in this country.

[Rayquaza]

Gay marriage now.
Lgbt rights now.

[Electra Heart]

Man, this isn't going to be one sided at all. Not like we're on a forum filled with LGBT users who absolutely flood threads like these.

I know Matt, I know -_-

I do believe that something must be done in this aspect, however, the thing that's complicated is that we are discussing MARRIAGE. Marriage, or matrimony, is one of the 7 sacraments. That's where it gets a bit iffy regarding Christians, politics, and gay rights. I'm all for gay rights and all, I don't want them to be seen as second-class citizens. However, I don't think it's a good idea to go protesting and trying to convert people's beliefs. If they don't want gay rights, they won't pass the bill. That's the way it is. If you're a member of the LGBT community and you're in a substantial relationship, is it really worth all the fuss over a slip of paper to tell you that you love each other?

[ImCoolBeans]

I know Matt, I know -_-

I do believe that something must be done in this aspect, however, the thing that's complicated is that we are discussing MARRIAGE. Marriage, or matrimony, is one of the 7 sacraments. That's where it gets a bit iffy regarding Christians, politics, and gay rights. I'm all for gay rights and all, I don't want them to be seen as second-class citizens. However, I don't think it's a good idea to go protesting and trying to convert people's beliefs. If they don't want gay rights, they won't pass the bill. That's the way it is. If you're a member of the LGBT community and you're in a substantial relationship, is it really worth all the fuss over a slip of paper to tell you that you love each other?

See but the argument to that point of view is why should they not be allowed to get married? Why should members of the LGBT community not be allowed or able to obtain that slip of paper if it's so important anyway?

[Jupiter]

to be honest i would only care if it would affect me. which it doesn't. so, go ahead. i'm not stopping you. however, it'd be pretty cool if people would just let whoever they want get married as long as it is ok with both parties.

[chancebest]

Pro, If two people love each other, why shouldn't you get married? You fall in love with who ever you fall in love with.

[Electra Heart]

See but the argument to that point of view is why should they not be allowed to get married? Why should members of the LGBT community not be allowed or able to obtain that slip of paper if it's so important anyway?

I honestly don't know. I just think some crusty old men in the judicial branch need to pull some bugs out of their asses...

[SolarSolexis]

I don't think it should be legalized. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. But with that said, If it does become legalized, I am not going to go on rants and attack people for gay marriage. It just isn't something I believe in, just like every body has something they don't believe in.

[Sugaree]

I don't think it should be legalized. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. But with that said, If it does become legalized, I am not going to go on rants and attack people for gay marriage. It just isn't something I believe in, just like every body has something they don't believe in.

I think this is the best reply this thread has so far. Tristan is shedding light on the fact that not all people against gay marriage are going to go out and start riots. This is the moderate view I want to see more often, but don't because of extreme left/right wingers. Also, no disrespect, but the "Adam and Steve" comment always makes me laugh for comedic value.

[Korashk]

If you're a member of the LGBT community and you're in a substantial relationship, is it really worth all the fuss over a slip of paper to tell you that you love each other?
Well, marriage is WAY more than just a slip of paper. It's also a contract that grants over 1000 legal rights to couples that they would not otherwise have.

There are people who get married just to have the rights and for literally no other reason like love. Ultimately, marriage officially has NOTHING to do with love, and EVERYTHING to do with benefits in a legal context.

[Short Circuit]

I do not know if I am wording this right, but here goes:

It is straight people who produce Gay Children

Why should these children be denied the right to marry the person they love?

[Jess]

I don't think it should be legalized. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. But with that said, If it does become legalized, I am not going to go on rants and attack people for gay marriage. It just isn't something I believe in, just like every body has something they don't believe in.

omg. so you don't think certain people should have certain rights? -_-

HOW IS GAY MARRIAGE HURTING YOU IN ANY WAY?

EDIT: anyways, at least you won't have a problem with it if it's legalized, so sorry about my "rant" above, I always have that reaction to people against it >_>

[Genghis Khan]

I don't think it should be legalized. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

god fucks me in ass but i don't let him invite adam and steve to join in because i must be respected for my brain and not my fantastic feet and god is the only one who can fuck with my head

[ImCoolBeans]

Ultimately, marriage officially has NOTHING to do with love, and EVERYTHING to do with benefits in a legal context.

I think that could be worded a LOT better than that, because marriage has a lot to do with love, but in some cases as you said it's about the legal benefits. But that's not generally how it is. I think everybody should be entitled to this, but that's just my opinion.

[Korashk]

I think that could be worded a LOT better than that, because marriage has a lot to do with love,
Not in an official context.

[ImCoolBeans]

Not in an official context.

So you're saying that marriage has nothing to do with love and it's all about legal benefits? I'm sorry but no, sure there are definitely legal benefits that come with it, but to say that people don't marry out of love is absurd. Sure these legal benefits are written and set in stone, but that doesn't mean thats why most people actually get hitched.

[Korashk]

So you're saying that marriage has nothing to do with love and it's all about legal benefits? I'm sorry but no, sure there are definitely legal benefits that come with it, but to say that people don't marry out of love is absurd. Sure these legal benefits are written and set in stone, but that doesn't mean thats why most people actually get hitched.
You are not comprehending what I'm saying. I'm not saying marriage has nothing to do with love. I'm saying that the official and legal purpose of marriage has nothing to do with love.

EDIT:
And that the purpose for the Gay-Rights movement is not about getting a slip of paper, but equal protection under the law. Gay people will proclaim to be married with or without holding that legal title, however without the legal title they are in a class below as far as the law is concerned.

[babolat96]

While people may say that civil unions and marriage are equivalent institutions, I believe that the existence of such a thing denotes that gay people aren't entitled to the same rights and privileges as straight people. If they really believed that everyone deserved and should have equality, they would make it so that gay people could get married, not have a civil union, which isn't equivalent at all, in my opinion.

[SolarSolexis]

Okay, to justify my answer above:

First of all, I never said it was hurting me or anyone else. I just don't think it's right, and everyone has a right to their opinion.

Secondly, I respect the opinions of others, which is why I would not intentionally protest against it.

Thirdly, why is it that everyone always flips out when someone doesn't think they should, but if someone thinks they should the people who don't think they should usually don't flip out? To make it simple: How is it fair that one side gets their right to an opinion, and the opposing side doesn't? It just isn't fair.

Finally, no I do not believe in "free rights" because "free rights" leads to corruption. If everyone can do what they want, who holds the peace? Who holds justice? I think people should have rights - to an extent. Once again, this is my personal view, and I am not shoving it down anyone else's throats.

[Genghis Khan]

Thirdly, why is it that everyone always flips out when someone doesn't think they should, but if someone thinks they should the people who don't think they should usually don't flip out? To make it simple: How is it fair that one side gets their right to an opinion, and the opposing side doesn't? It just isn't fair.

You have a right to an opinion but if it's a stupid opinion like not legalising gay marriage then you can expect people to bash it. There is nothing wrong with bashing a genuinely stupid opinion.

[SolarSolexis]

Do you realize how one-sided that is? You will call everything you oppose stupid. But who gave you the right to think your own belief isn't stupid?

I have my reasons for it, and as stated above, if it does become legalized, I will not protest it. It's my choice to not believe in it. You decide for yourself what you want to believe, so let me decide what I want to believe.

And there is everything wrong with bashing any opinion. Because that's all it is - is an opinion. If the person isn't hurting you, then it doesn't matter. I don't go on rants about gay people, nor will I protest their gay marriage rights. But it's my choice to not agree with them, and you don't have a right to call them stupid. That would be like me calling gay rights stupid (I am in by no means calling gay rights stupid, either). You would say it isn't, I would say it is. Each party will stick to their guns, believing what they each believe. But the difference is, I don't call your side stupid.

Once again - Respect for others beliefs.

[Genghis Khan]

Do you realize how one-sided that is? You will call everything you oppose stupid. But who gave you the right to think your own belief isn't stupid?

I did when I justified it through the medium of logical discourse.

I have my reasons for it, and as stated above, if it does become legalized, I will not protest it. It's my choice to not believe in it. You decide for yourself what you want to believe, so let me decide what I want to believe.

You keep repeating this as if we're actively forcing you to not believe it. You can believe whatever you want, that's your prerogative. However if your opinion is generally a stupid one, don't expect people to not call your opinion stupid. Unless you're prepared to justify why it isn't stupid and are successful in doing so I will not withdraw anything I've previously said to you.

And there is everything wrong with bashing any opinion. Because that's all it is - is an opinion. If the person isn't hurting you, then it doesn't matter. I don't go on rants about gay people, nor will I protest their gay marriage rights. But it's my choice to not agree with them, and you don't have a right to call them stupid. That would be like me calling gay rights stupid (I am in by no means calling gay rights stupid, either). You would say it isn't, I would say it is. Each party will stick to their guns, believing what they each believe. But the difference is, I don't call your side stupid.

If you can tell me why my side is stupid and construct a logical argument then by all means, call my side stupid. And even if you don't have a reasonable explanation for why my side is stupid you still have the right to call it stupid because well, we can actively tell others what we find stupid. The only difference is no one will take you seriously. Now, either start justifying your opinions or stop whining about your 'rights', nobody cares that you get offended when people call your beliefs stupid. You're just painting yourself as a crybaby.

Once again - Respect for others beliefs.

Fuck anti gay marriage.

[SolarSolexis]

A crybaby? No, I don't think so. I just don't it's fair to anybodies party. Because I believe both should have an equal playing field. It isn't equal if someone is always calling someone stupid. I just say leave peoples belief to each individual person. And if you think that it's stupid, well that's great. But you don't have to voice it.

I do not get offended when people call my beliefs stupid, I just get frustrated with people who want to minimize others with only concern for themselves.

My reason why I don't find gay marriage acceptable?

Reason 1: Science obviously supports heterosexual relationships - as it created a male and a female. If homosexuality was of so called "equality" then man and man and woman and woman should be able to reproduce - but they cannot.

Reason 2: I am of Christian standings, and personally believe that homosexuality is wrong. That being said, I am not going to sit and condemn them for it. That's their own choosing of what to do. Not mine.

Those are my two primary reasons, and they make legitimate sense to me. I am not forcing my ideas onto anyone else, nor do I intend to cause trouble. Keep in mind this was a thread designed to ask opinions NOT TO BASH OTHERS. Perhaps if you cannot state your opinion without bashing someone elses, you shouldn't post in these kinds of topics. Because these aren't intended to start conflict, which obviously people like you enjoy doing.

And finally, that is what I mean. Why can't people have normal conversations without resorting to cussing? Is it impossible for some people?

[Genghis Khan]

Reason 1: Science obviously supports heterosexual relationships - as it created a male and a female. If homosexuality was of so called "equality" then man and man and woman and woman should be able to reproduce - but they cannot.

Equality has nothing to do with reproduction. Science also shows us that homosexual relationships exist in thousands of other species.

Source 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals), Source 2 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2009/jun/17/same-sex-relationships-gay-animals).

Reason 2: I am of Christian standings, and personally believe that homosexuality is wrong. That being said, I am not going to sit and condemn them for it. That's their own choosing of what to do. Not mine.

Biblical scriptures equate to anecdotal evidence. So I won't address this or explain why it's wrong.

I'd make other points but literally 3/4 of your post was again about respecting opinions and not why homosexuality is wrong or gay marriage should not be legalised.

[SolarSolexis]

Yes, I am aware of other species involving homosexuality. But can any of them reproduce given the same gender mates? Not likely. It wasn't created in such a way. Equality has nothing to do with reproduction, but it does heavily in gay rights. They believe they should have "equal" rights in marriage, but how can that be so? If they cannot do the same things as a male and female couple, how can they call their marriage equal to it?

I would be much more open to having a gay marriage license that is separate from the one that was made for Man and Woman. Because their marriage IS different, no matter how much anyone would ever deny it.

As I said, Reason 2 is my reason that I believe and you don't have to.

But no one can deny that the only way of creating a child (without involving a lab) is between a man and a woman, not a man and a man, or a woman and a woman.

[Korashk]

Yes, I am aware of other species involving homosexuality. But can any of them reproduce given the same gender mates? Not likely. It wasn't created in such a way. Equality has nothing to do with reproduction, but it does heavily in gay rights. They believe they should have "equal" rights in marriage, but how can that be so? If they cannot do the same things as a male and female couple, how can they call their marriage equal to it?
You know that marriage has nothing to do with reproduction, right? It's entirely about government benefits, tax breaks, and tax free transfer of property.

[SolarSolexis]

Not originally. Marriage was actually a means of protection for a woman. A long time ago, in exchange for providing the man with offspring, the woman would be protected. No where does it mention man-man and woman-woman marriages.

Now if you want to talk about now days, then yeah. It's true.

However, it also depends on what you consider marriage. I consider marriage a sacred vow before God that you profess your love to your betrothed, and should be held in a Holy light. It doesn't mean as much to most people, however. That is why 50% of all marriages end in failure.

Which is why I said a separate document that gives all of the same tax breaks to homosexuals as to heterosexuals, but it differs in a key aspect.

[Korashk]

Not originally.
Even if that's true (which is arguable) so what? It doesn't matter what it originally meant. What matters is what it is now. Also, same-sex marriage is a pretty old concept (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#Ancient). It happened in ancient Rome and wasn't outlawed there until 342 AD.

[SolarSolexis]

I will end my comments with this post:

1. This is what I believe, and I am not telling you to believe in it.
2. I will not protest other peoples rights and/or their beliefs.
3. I do not chastise those for what they believe, ex: Gay rights
4. It is a choice every person needs to make, so let them make it for themselves.

[Weber_Swagg]

I think that if someone loves someone else thats the same sex or is attracted to the same sex, thats who they are. It doesn't really matter what laws are put into place to try to change people because it won't or at least shouldn't make a differance.

[smd11451]

Idk what all the fuss is over from what I have been told the gay people can get a civil union which is legally the same as being married. if u want a ceremony thats up 2 u. personally I'm more of a private person so I'll most likely just get the civil union when I find the right guy.

This all depends on the state. Some states don't even allow civil unions. Additionally, the Defense of Marriage Act makes it so states don't have to recognize same-sex unions performed in a different state. The big deal about gay marriage (to me) is that its a big deal at all. Who cares what two people do in their private lives, let them be happy. It has no effect on a straight couple's marriage in any way unless the straight couple lets it, which is dumb.

[Kacey]

I don't mind gay marrige or anything Im bi/curious myself but just saying marrige was meant for the union of opposite sex for pro creation

I think that if someone loves someone else thats the same sex or is attracted to the same sex, thats who they are. It doesn't really matter what laws are put into place to try to change people because it won't or at least shouldn't make a differance.

Exactly :)

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[ExhibitG]

I don't mind gay marrige or anything Im bi/curious myself but just saying marrige was meant for the union of opposite sex for pro creation

i could completely understand this argument a long time ago when this actually was the definition of marriage, but it isn't anymore. plenty of people get married and don't have kids either because they don't want to or the woman can't physically give birth. or they just end up getting a divorce. so that's not a valid argument anymore.

[Gordo]

not sure i care either way. if they wanna, maybe let 'em. If other states don't recognize it, that's okay too. Nothing wrong with states rights and letting them handle things on their own.

If gay marriage upsets you, don't visit or do business in those states. If you are for gay marriage, don't interact with the states that don't recognize it. There is a solution for everybody out there.

If the feds get involved I think we'll see all kinds of hatred. So I'd rather the extreeme people find a liberal or conservative state and work on being happy with their lives.

[MisterSix]

I think they should make marriage a religious only thing again and take away any rights and laws that comes from it.

In New Zealand you only have to live with someone for 3 years ,I think, to have the right to take half their stuff

[Erasmus]

Absolutely pro!!!!!!!!!

[razorblade-wolfveins]

All for it. None of my business what others do in bed.

[swimmerboy95]

Im Straight yet Im all For Gay Marriage. I think we should be able to marry the ones we love whether its the same sex or not.

Agreed. But I'm bi

[Weber_Swagg]

I feel like people should be able to choose what their future will be. It's not like it hurts anyone.

[Syvelocin]

We should also outlaw menopausal or infertile women and men or women with hysterectomies/vasectomies with from getting married as well. Because it's about reproduction after all.

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[wally]

either or, as long as everyones happy

[AbbaZabba]

To each his own, none of my business.

[plebble]

I'm assuming 'pro' means 'for'

[Gaybaby94]

Pro for sure. Just look at my sig.
Gay and proud!

[badkid]

Idk what all the fuss is over from what I have been told the gay people can get a civil union which is legally the same as being married. if u want a ceremony thats up 2 u. personally I'm more of a private person so I'll most likely just get the civil union when I find the right guy.


It's like:
You can sit here but you just can't sit there....

[jjsmitty]

Pro, definately, if its just a piece of paper then why do straight couples have the privilege? Sure i'm happy with my partner now, but what happens when I want to commit for the rest of my life?
Sorry if it looks like i'm having a rant here, but this is just my opinion expressed in a typical British sarcastic fashion.

Oh so you don't support gay marriage?
Tell me more about how it directly affects your life...

[jackson94]

Idk what all the fuss is over from what I have been told the gay people can get a civil union which is legally the same as being married. if u want a ceremony thats up 2 u. personally I'm more of a private person so I'll most likely just get the civil union when I find the right guy.

Depending on where you live, Civil Unions may not be available.
They were very recently outlawed in NC, and are outlaws in several other states across the US.

As well, they usually don't give out the same benefits as an actualy marriage.


Also, many people who think they should have equal rights, but not call it 'marriage' I believe are wrong as well. Marriage is a sacrament, true. But the second we started legislating it, it's no longer religious. It is a legal term, and although many people get mad at 'liberals' for saying it...in this day in age, being against gay marriage is either out of ignorance of the terms in dispute, or blatant bigotry.

[Aves]

Pro, mainly due to the fact that I don't care. If I had to chose a side, I'd chose the side that seems rational, which is pro gay marriage.

[Abigballofdust]

Beig against gay marriage is simple homophobia. And hiding behind the Bible or some hillbilly fact about nature and its ways is an overused and overly counterproved argument that I'm tired of re explaining over and over again for every bigoted church boy that just came from Bible studies at his local Chapel of St. Whatever full of bullshit about how fags are gonna ruin his precious America.