Women in combat roles?

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Well if you never knew, women in lots of places including the USA cannot be in combat roles in the military, so do you agree with this? Also what are you thoughts and why do you think they should or should not be able to.

[dark_soul777]

I think as long as thy can do the job to the same standard as anyone else they should be allowed to do it.

[Skeptical Bear]

Same with "Soul" I think if she's capable of doing the job, then yeah. I don't know what's the big deal.

[shadowhunter320]

i agree with everyone else, if they can do it, let em!

[ImCoolBeans]

I think that if anybody is up to par and can keep up with the head of the pack they should be allowed to be in a combat role. Gender/sex should not really matter too much, but then again I can see why it is this way. It's mainly a cultural factor that goes waaaay back, not that I agree with it.

[Jess]

Well if you never knew, women in lots of places including the USA cannot be in combat roles in the military, so do you agree with this? Also what are you thoughts and why do you think they should or should not be able to.

no I don't. gender shouldn't matter. if she's capable, she should be able to do it.

[AppealToReason]

If a woman can make it through the same standards and tests as a man, then I believe she should be allowed in whatever role she qualified for. Though, I do not believe standards should be lowered for a woman.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Why should they not let them? They are perfectly capable of fighting, just as good as men in many cases. They shouldn't be discriminated against because of gender. Women are equal to men, they should be able to be in the military, be a doctor, or anything else they want.

I know that the Muslim religion says that women are "slaves" to men, but in any other religion or culture, it is totally acceptable.

As long as they are not getting any special treatment, they should be able to as they see fit.

We already went through this in the 20th century with people discriminating against women, in this time, it should not happen.

[Sporadica]

Women shouldn't be on the front line, they lack the raw killing emotion that men do, also women emotionaly get more attached to someone they shoot in the face than a man will

I do however think Women should be pilots. They can handle more G force, they have better hand eye coordination, and they are generally more focused in a role like that.


In reality I wouldn't want men or women fighting on the front line, I would rather have droids and drones and remote control stuff etc.

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Women shouldn't be on the front line, they lack the raw killing emotion that men do, also women emotionaly get more attached to someone they shoot in the face than a man will

I do however think Women should be pilots. They can handle more G force, they have better hand eye coordination, and they are generally more focused in a role like that.


In reality I wouldn't want men or women fighting on the front line, I would rather have droids and drones and remote control stuff etc.

They don't lack it when it comes to guns.

[Genghis Khan]

I know that the Muslim religion says that women are "slaves" to men, but in any other religion or culture, it is totally acceptable.

It says the exact same thing several times in the Bible. Don't talk about other religions as well as your own if you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Well if you never knew, women in lots of places including the USA cannot be in combat roles in the military, so do you agree with this?

I think there needs to be a standard when deciding who can join the combat force. That standard should not be offered to a certain group of people who meet the criteria only by assumption. There are men that are physically more capable with women, historically and physiologically this has been the general case, but I have seen girls who are very capable of not only defending themselves but actually kicking some serious ass in a fight.

So no, I definitely think it's down to strength, agility, speed and technique over gender. I'd rather appoint a powerful woman than a skinny/weak man.

[Mortal Coil]

Think about it: Israel has women in the military and it has been up against several larger, richer countries that hate it since 1948.
America and a lot of other places should take the fucking hint and allow women into combat, assuming they pass the same standards as men. The movie G.I. Jane is about a woman facing that kind of sexism in the military, and that movie is awesome. Check it out.

[Azunite]

For example women are better marksmen since they are smaller in size and their hands and arms tend less to shake while aiming.

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For example women are better marksmen since they are smaller in size and their hands and arms tend less to shake while aiming.

That would have a extremely large effect on non-bullpup guns. America for example does not have standard bullpup guns. So it would be extremely useful for them.

[cadet199]

Techincally, women can not be in infantry roles. HOWEVER, many women are out on the front lines, everyday. They can be military police officers, or pilots, or technicians. I do believe, however, that they should be allowed to serve in infantry roles, as they offer the same, if not better, support as men.

[MisterSix]

I think its more to do with their safety. If a female gets captured in a war zone, there is a high chance she will get raped and picked on by the captures. Soldiers aren't the most civil men in the world

[cadet199]

I think its more to do with their safety. If a female gets captured in a war zone, there is a high chance she will get raped and picked on by the captures. Soldiers aren't the most civil men in the world


Sorry to burst your bubble, but, male soldiers endure horrible conditions. Rape doesn't seem as bad as swallowing gas, does it?

[wildone016]

Dont agree.

[cadet199]

Alright.. Now that I think about it more, I would change my statement.. What I SHOULD have said is that our soldiers endure horrible conditions, no matter what. Males and females get raped, and tortured endlessly.

Also, women can still be captured in action. Just because they aren't "infantry related", doesn't mean they aren't on the front lines.

[Genghis Khan]

Dont agree.

Well that's a fucking stupid opinion isn't it.

[cadet199]

Well that's a fucking stupid opinion isn't it.

Thank you! Question to the other person.. So, based on your answer, you would rather have a tube forcibly shoved down your throat, and have GASOLINE (which burns) poured down your throat, until you either; die, pass out, or give up information, than be raped? Which, I'm pretty sure that soldiers are not virgins, so no worry there.. Yes, it will be rough, and yes it will hurt. But I think it's better than the first thing, or having multiple bones broken at once..

[MisterSix]

Thank you! Question to the other person.. So, based on your answer, you would rather have a tube forcibly shoved down your throat, and have GASOLINE (which burns) poured down your throat, until you either; die, pass out, or give up information, than be raped? Which, I'm pretty sure that soldiers are not virgins, so no worry there.. Yes, it will be rough, and yes it will hurt. But I think it's better than the first thing, or having multiple bones broken at once..

Do you really think that every POW has petrol forced down their throat?
There are many that get beaten and then executed. I would rather be beaten and executed than raped, beaten and executed.

However, because you're a 14 year old male. I doubt you would realize the harshness of rape

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Do you really think that every POW has petrol forced down their throat?
There are many that get beaten and then executed. I would rather be beaten and executed than raped, beaten and executed.

However, because you're a 14 year old male. I doubt you would realize the harshness of rape

Males get raped too. Are you that fucking naive to not take that into account?

[Jess]

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Well that's a fucking stupid opinion isn't it.


I think she meant she doesn't agree that woman SHOULDN'T be allowed in combat roles...so it means that she thinks they should.

the OP question was phrased like this:

women in lots of places including the USA cannot be in combat roles in the military, so do you agree with this?

i.e. Do you agree with the fact that woman shouldn't be in combat roles in the military?

[cadet199]

Do you really think that every POW has petrol forced down their throat?
There are many that get beaten and then executed. I would rather be beaten and executed than raped, beaten and executed.

However, because you're a 14 year old male. I doubt you would realize the harshness of rape


I don't understand your argument... According to your profile, you are a 17 year old male. I'm pretty sure we both have dicks. Now, I would have to agree with (forgot user). Males get raped too. Which, if you think about it, would probably hurt more than a female getting raped. Now, seeing how I do not have a vagina, I can't confirm nor deny my statement, but, what I can confirm is that I am pretty certain that a male is WAY tighter than a female. And I doubt they are going to just "lube up" before they go..

[Mortal Coil]

Which, if you think about it, would probably hurt more than a female getting raped.

I'm sure you know all about females getting raped. Women are about 10 times more sensitive physically than males; the only reason we can survive the pain of, say, childbirth is the brain actually numbs it a little.

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I'm sure you know all about females getting raped. Women are about 10 times more sensitive physically than males; the only reason we can survive the pain of, say, childbirth is the brain actually numbs it a little.

You also have to take into account the amount of nerves and in specific areas. Tests that have been done on what you say are areas usually on arms, there are some bias in the tests but even not taking that into account you have to take into account that those test results do not say about said areas. Not saying your wrong, but just saying it's all more complicated then most people think.

[StoppingTime]

It says the exact same thing several times in the Bible. Don't talk about other religions as well as your own if you have no idea what you're talking about.

I can't speak for all religions, but at least in Judaism, women were not ever used as "slaves".

And today, there is a ridiculously small number of people who actually follow the exact laws for men and women (and her roles) in the Old Testament, not to mention they do it willingly.

But like Rawal said, don't talk about other religions when you don't have any idea what you're saying.

To asnwer the OP's question, if she's able to do the job correctly, why not?

[Genghis Khan]

I can't speak for all religions, but at least in Judaism, women were not ever used as "slaves".

And today, there is a ridiculously small number of people who actually follow the exact laws for men and women (and her roles) in the Old Testament, not to mention they do it willingly.

I meant you'll find the same level of misogyny in every Abrahamic religion considering that those were the customs of the time. There's several passages in Judaism, Christianity and Islam that clearly state the woman's place as an inferior creature. But yeah, my only point was to tell him to stop being hypocritical, I find this level of hypocrisy so much in the Western world and somehow they find equally stupid justifications for why Islam is so special in its misogyny. Not that I'm even remotely religious, it just seems really unreasonable to single out a political situation and label it as a 'religious problem' because Islam is apparently like a disease for which prophylactic measures need to be taken. Sure, Muslims are seen to be more coercive than Christians but the reasons for that relate to the fact that their religion has not been secularised like Christianity and due to political instability the Muslim world's religious convictions are not as malleable as Christians who have been through the dark ages and had their dogma dragged kicking and screaming into modernity.

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Rant over.

[Erasmus]

If the woman is capable, then she should be no different than a man.

[mranderson]

Ive talked to an acctual soilder about this and he told me this. He does not this they should be in a combat role because, for example, there are in the front lines and a man gets injured, and 2 people have to carry him away, 2 men will be stronger and be able to get him out of there, with a woman, it will not be as easy

[ShatteredWings]

Ive talked to an acctual soilder about this and he told me this. He does not this they should be in a combat role because, for example, there are in the front lines and a man gets injured, and 2 people have to carry him away, 2 men will be stronger and be able to get him out of there, with a woman, it will not be as easy

Not if she's being held to the EXACT same physical standards as her male counterparts.
That's the thing with the army. It has lower standards for women, so it claims that women are incompetent for combat roles.
...Because they don't allow for competency with women in those roles.

[Electra Heart]

If they want to, hell yes. Plus, she could be nailin' guys with bazookas from one end of the battle zone, you know there's gonna be some guys on the other side that aren't going to do shit to a female.

[JeSuisAmericaine]

What if someone said men were not allowed to care for children, make food, make clothes, or do any other tasks traditionally allotted to women? This is sexism and nothing but. If the world agreed that certain tasks were better suited for one gender or another, anyone could easily argue, for example, that women have no rights at all. Is that what we want? I didn't think so.

[Amaryllis]

Stick them in the front lines so the male soldiers hesitate to shoot. (A military actually did that once and it worked. Bloody genius.)

[zuhvi113an]

I agree if a women is capable she should be given a choice to but i believe it has been "scientificly" proven that women are not mentally fit to handle the stress of combat

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I agree if a women is capable she should be given a choice to but i believe it has been "scientificly" proven that women are not mentally fit to handle the stress of combat

Could you please use sources for that accusation?

[Texas warrior]

If a woman can do the same job as a man then were's the logic in saying that she can't do it?

[RoseyCadaver]

Hell yes I believe they should be able to fight in the military. Most women in the military can probably kick my little(fat) androgynous ass. They could probably kick lot of guy's asses.

I also don't feel that men should be the only ones who would have to sign in a draft(not that it matters for me, I have a heart defect that disqualify me from the military).If the government is going to make it's people fight, it shouldn't choose sexes. A woman has the same ability to perform at the level of a man.

[dontcare97]

I don't understand why this is even a question. Throughout history, women have been shown to be able to kill just as easily as men. Joan of Acre type of soldiers aren't uncommon in many cultures. Native American tribes around the country have female torture masters who are more blood thirsty then their males. The whole argument that she won't be shot at is bull because if the uniform is gender neutral, who will be able to tell that the foot solider in a thick army jacket with full helmet and mask is or is not a woman? Especially when she is just as buff as some of the guys. If the women who try out meet the standard requirements, let her fight.

Rape in the army is another serious thing and if she will get rape, it won't be in a POW type situation. It would be a teammate or commanding officer. I saw this thing on the news how women in the army are forcible shut up by command. When she tries to speak out, either to another woman officer or the people who handle that type of thing, she is turned down because no one believes her. It's her word against a decorated general. Her word against a highly skilled officer that has been in the army for six years with no prior problems. That is an internal problem that we have to work out, for men and women both.

[Unique Physique]

In the British armed forces women are actually in some combat roles. Not the infantry, Royal Marines, Royal Armoured Corps or Household Cavalry, no, but they can join the Royal Artillery which is a teeth arm, women are allowed in field artillery and they're allowed to join Fire Support Teams which are small, tight-knit units which work closely with the infantry and they call fire support and artillery strikes upon enemy positions, they have to get up close to the enemy to do their job.

See:

http://www.army.mod.uk/rolefinder/role/69/special-gunfire-observer/
http://www.army.mod.uk/rolefinder/role/65/artillery-observer/
http://www.army.mod.uk/rolefinder/role/62/light-gunner/

They're also allowed to take the All-Arms Commando Course to join a Commando brigade and the P-Company course to serve with the Paras. Women are also allowed to be combat engineers and combat medics.

See:

http://www.army.mod.uk/rolefinder/role/224/combat-engineer/
http://www.army.mod.uk/rolefinder/role/64/naval-gunfire-observer/
http://www.army.mod.uk/rolefinder/role/32/combat-team-medic/
http://www.army.mod.uk/artillery/units/3rha/default.aspx#

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-1030771/Solider-girls--8216-I-don-8217-t-think-dy-305-ng-8217.html

There was also a Sun article on two female Army Officers who were combat engineers/FSTs but I can't suddenly find it, it was really interesting.

And yeah, there's countries like Canada who don't have restrictions on women in any combat role whatsoever and do have recent operational experience.

Do I think women should be in combat roles?

Yes, if they qualify.

Most of the reasons they shouldn't are irrational or unfounded, in fact, real studies in this area (such as by the MoD in 2010) are inconclusive at best, but let me just say it's actually nothing to do with the physical or mental strength of females, but rather unit cohesion and political / cultural considerations. American politicians won't dare to change the legislation in the U.S. military because it would be political suicide in the more conservative voters who are staunchly against women being allowed anywhere in combat, they are happy just believing women drive trucks or tend to injured soldiers in field hospitals... is this actually true? No. 108 female soldiers in the U.S. forces have died in Iraq / Afghanistan. Everywhere is the frontline in a combat zone where your enemies are guerilla fighters, not conventional soldiers.

I don't believe anyone should be drafted/conscripted into military service either, this is an issue of freedom and it's proven a volunteer military works best, but I think if there is a military draft it should include both genders, not just men. It's sexist not to include both genders. Interestingly, Israel conscripts both genders but I'm not sure if they have a fully integrated military or not.

[khila]

no they should not i dont mean this in a sexist manner im saying it for protection of the human species guess what if we only had say a population of 20% males 80% females we would still be a healthy species (we are an animal like it or not and if the world population was to be all but destroyed we would start haveing to do things that society frowns upon)

[dontcare97]

no they should not i dont mean this in a sexist manner im saying it for protection of the human species guess what if we only had say a population of 20% males 80% females we would still be a healthy species (we are an animal like it or not and if the world population was to be all but destroyed we would start haveing to do things that society frowns upon)
This doesn't make any sense because it's not like EVERYONE in the world is apart of the army.. Only women who want to do it and can meet the standard of training will go. That's not every female ever. And who's to say that they will all die? Some combat army men come back, so would the women.

Really it shouldn't matter because only a small population ofwomen would go and the world is very overpopulated. So even if population was a problem, it would be of benefit to the world. And still, women do other dangerous jobs with high fatality rates so it's not like this is a new issue.

[FojeJC]

Yes, woman should be in combat roles. Sexism has ruled society for a long time but women actually are better at combat than us, men.

[AbbaZabba]

They should be able to do it if they want, I personally don't want anyone shooting at me.