How Did God Come to be?

[WickedWeekend]

Yesterday at a youth retreat, I asked my youth pastor this exact question.

He looked at me and said, "He was just there."

That's what Christians are expected to believe. Even if they are interested, they can't question it.

So, what do you believe? How did God come to be? If you aren't Christian, just know this isn't to say what religion is right or wrong. Let's assume God is real. How was He here?

[kenoloor]

Man created him.

[WickedWeekend]

Man created him.

Very interesting point. You mean Creationism?

[kenoloor]

Very interesting point. You mean Creationism?

No. Man created God, e.g. made him up.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

I believe that there are just somethings in this life that can't be logically explained. it just happens. Why are humans dominant? Why are all of us different? Why do we have emotions? Inexplicable.

I believe in God and am a Christian, btw.

Edit: Also, Christians don't have to just believe it, we can question, as long as we aren't going away from our faith.
Christianity isn't as direct as it's put out to be.

[Skeptical Bear]

I agree with Sapphire_Flames. I feel like it was made up and then from there other people might have added on to it to what we see today.

[kenoloor]

Why are all of us different?

Genetic variation. Helps keep our species alive; also contributes to the process of natural selection in all species, not just humans.

Why do we have emotions? Inexplicable.

Because we're animals. It's based on brain chemistry and other psychological mumbo-jumbo that I won't bother getting into.

Virtually everything natural has a logical explanation; if it doesn't, it's simply because humans have discoveries to make, not because something simply is so. There is always an explanation.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Virtually everything natural has a logical explanation; if it doesn't, it's simply because humans have discoveries to make, not because something simply is so. There is always an explanation.
If so, then why are some people smarter than others?
All of us have similar brain patterns, and even people one twin can be smarter than the other. My friend Paul is smarter than his brother Lyle, and they are identical twins. They came from, the same egg, so why are they different?

[CuriousDestruction]

If we are assuming that God is real in this situation, then to question whether God was ever created means God is not the highest power in the universe. If God is real then to question how God even came to be, implying that God was not always existing, questions the very validity of God. The only answer then, is that God is, has always been, and always will be, the only difference now is that God has created humans to question God.


If so, then why are some people smarter than others?
All of us have similar brain patterns, and even people one twin can be smarter than the other. My friend Paul is smarter than his brother Lyle, and they are identical twins. They came from, the same egg, so why are they different?

Yeah, totally off topic. Just saying.

[kenoloor]

If so, then why are some people smarter than others?
All of us have similar brain patters, and even people one twin can be smarter than the other. My friend Paul is smarter than his brother Lyle, and they are identical twins. They came from, the same egg, so why are they different?

First of all, how do you measure one's intelligence in such a way to prove that one person is "smarter than" another? Second of all, difference in intelligence has to do with personality, education, upbringing, general environment. Intelligence is not an innate feature of every individual. It's something that's learned and developed throughout one's lifetime.

/off-topic shit

[Thunduhbuhlt]

That one, I see how it would be explained...
I have one question for you though...
Do you believe in the theory of evolution?

Because if you do then if we came from apes, where did they come from?
And who created the earth if God didn't?
And if you mention the big bang, what caused that to happen, and what created the elements that caused that explosion?

We can go as deep as you would like, it all comes back to God.

[kenoloor]

Because if you do then if we came from apes, where did they come from?
And who created the earth if God didn't?
And if you mention the big bang, what caused that to happen, and what created the elements that caused that explosion?

Oh for fuck's sake, this isn't an evolution/creation thread. Hop off it. I do not believe in any supreme being, therefore do not believe in any Christian pseudo-science.

Getting back on topic, I agree with Michael. Assuming that "God" exists for the sake of argument, questioning God's origin essentially questions the concept of "God." If God had a Creator, then he is not the omnipotent being described in the Bible. If he didn't, then there's a big fat hole in the story.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Have it your way, I will create a thread just for this, just for you.

[Buranri]

God or "the universe" are kind of interchangeable here, but since I don't believe in creation/god, I'll go with the universe.

This is actually a really interesting question. Assuming earth was formed from the big bang (probably true), what formed the big bang? The best I can come up with is simply that the universe just... Exists. Nothing created the universe, because the universe is what created the planets, etc. This is messing with my mind just trying to think about it. What if there's an edge to the universe? I think that the universe is just infinite. It has existed for infinite years, and will exist for infinitely more. It is also infinitely big, which questions the "universe is expanding" theory. What is it expanding into? The human mind just can't wrap itself around the concept of infinity.

[Wicked_Syn]

I know that you said that if we don't believe in Christianity, that we should just for the sake assume that God exists.

I respect everyone's opinion on their own religion and God and Jesus and such, but no one can exactly pin point the exact moment that God came to be.

[CuriousDestruction]

That one, I see how it would be explained...
I have one question for you though...
Do you believe in the theory of evolution?

Because if you do then if we came from apes, where did they come from?
And who created the earth if God didn't?
And if you mention the big bang, what caused that to happen, and what created the elements that caused that explosion?

We can go as deep as you would like, it all comes back to God.

No, God goes back to a desert in the Middle East. You presume to think that just because we don't know the cause must mean it was God. I'm not saying it wasn't God, but what if the universe suddenly created itself? What if we are all just a figment of someone's imagination. What if the very concept of God is simply made up? You want to get deep, I want to get real.

[Jess]

Man created him.

this. Humans made up God. not the other way around

[huginnmuninn]

well God's mommy and daddy were feeling frisky one night....
IDK maybe the big bang created God

[Jupiter]

why does it matter? why can't you just be blindly followed like everything else in that religion?

[Wicked_Syn]

Why can't you just be blindly followed like everything else in that religion?

Was there really a reason to saying that? That's just pointless.

[TeddyBearRock]

The thing is this

God made the world in 7 days ~(scientificly imposible) lots of people belive this
God made man~(scientificly impossible) lots of people belive this
Jesus was born to the virgin mary~(scientificly impossible) lots of people belive this

All of the above have no proof

The world was slowly made after a big explosion~ only a few people belive this
Over millions of years man evoled from apes to what we are today~ only a few people belive this

the above text had LOTS of proof you can go see it in museams* or with your OWn eye. WTF is wrong with people

[Jess]

The thing is this

God made the world in 7 days ~(scientificly imposible) lots of people belive this
God made man~(scientificly impossible) lots of people belive this
Jesus was born to the virgin mary~(scientificly impossible) lots of people belive this

All of the above have no proof

The world was slowly made after a big explosion~ only a few people belive this
Over millions of years man evoled from apes to what we are today~ only a few people belive this

the above text had LOTS of proof you can go see it in museams* or with your OWn eye. WTF is wrong with people

eh I don't think we were evolved from apes (I believe we had the same ancestor), but still, that seems more logical than being created from dirt (makes more sense).

[TeddyBearRock]

eh I don't think we were evolved from apes (I believed we had the same ancestor), but still, that seems more logical than being created from dirt (makes more sense).

I didnt mean we evoved from apes but over millions of year apes have evoled to .... they eveoled to... . that happen billions of time over billions of years and could still be happening

And if you say "well why arent monkkeys still evolving"

Its because they dont need to. they dont have to adapt to survie any more

[Thunduhbuhlt]

The thing is this

God made the world in 7 days ~(scientificly imposible) lots of people belive this
God made man~(scientificly impossible) lots of people belive this
Jesus was born to the virgin mary~(scientificly impossible) lots of people belive this


How is this scientifically impossible?

How is the big bang possible if there was nothing in the universe before it?
And if there was something, then what created those things?

[Jess]

in only a few days...yeah that's impossible. Earth and life on earth evolved slowly over BILLIONS of years. unless days = millions of years
How could God have made man? Where do prehistoric humans come in?
The way Mary just became pregnant and was still a virgin...um yeah not possible

and what created GOD?

and this:

“And God said, Let there be light” (Genesis 1:3) and “. . .And the evening and the morning were the first day” (Genesis 1 :5), versus “And God said, ‘Let there be light in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night....’ “And God made two lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also… And the evening and morning were the fourth day” (Genesis 1 :14-19). These violates two major facts. Light cannot exist without a sun, and secondly, how can morning be distinguished from evening unless there is a sun and moon?

[Thunduhbuhlt]

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1657422&postcount=5

Already stated.

[Electra Heart]

That's one of the many mysteries of my faith, I just don't know. However, I'm currently heavily doubting my faith, and that opinion may soon change.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Nobody knows unless they can ask God himself, which is not probable.
And Jesus says that he will be back soon, and it has been over 2000 years. Their time may have been different than it is now.

[ImCoolBeans]

Some dudes wanted to beef their wallets up a bit.

[CuriousDestruction]

Nobody knows unless they can ask God himself, which is not probable.
And Jesus says that he will be back soon, and it has been over 2000 years. Their time may have been different than it is now.

Point of annoyance, can we please refer to God as gender neutral? In fact to even imply that God has gender implies it is an animal as we are which is kinda invalidating God as I have already ranted about. I know you were raised with the bible which calls God a he, but still.

[Wicked_Syn]

Nobody knows unless they can ask God himself, which is not probable.


Uh, not probable, but impossible.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Point of annoyance, can we please refer to God as gender neutral? In fact to even imply that God has gender implies it is an animal as we are which is kinda invalidating God as I have already ranted about. I know you were raised with the bible which calls God a he, but still.

Well God created humans in his/her image, so it could be both male and female and possibly animal like. But it just seems more natural to say him.

[Clawhammer]

Listen, kid, either an intelligent creator has always been and is the set absolute truth, or the rules of logic are uncreated, eternal, and absolute truths. If the latter, they defy themselves, all rules are created by intelligent life, not the other way around. Sooner or later, something has to make no sense at all, and it seems a lot more worthwhile to assume the viewpoint of intelligent creation. The other way is pointless, useless, and has never helped anybody. I'm not telling you to convert to Christianity, just to think. Eventually, if you ask "why?" enough times, you get to the bottom of the matter, and that's where the problems are rooted. I'm sorry, but it looks to me like it's a case of social Darwinism versus religion.

To sum it up, sense makes no sense. Where did sense come from, and why? Sense uncreated doesn't make sense. Easier to assume that some things are bigger than logic. In fact, it's logical.

[Genghis Khan]

How is the big bang possible if there was nothing in the universe before it?

No one claims that there was nothing in the universe before the big bang but whatever it was, we don't know yet. It could have been anything. The idea that it was a God who was before the universe is a weightless hypothesis.

And if there was something, then what created those things?

This famous saying is immediately countered by its equally famous response, I'll break it to you really simply; if there was God how did he/she come into being? If your doubt is that something cannot come from nothing then remember that this logic must also apply to God. Read about the watchmaker argument for further elaboration.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

This is a topic that can go back as far as needed, but will always come back to each individual persons beliefs because there is no define answer.

[Gaybaby94]

Man created him.

This. I believe that every religion was created when some dude was on a drug trip. And back in the day when the masses were to ignorant of science they believed the "experience".

[khaos14]

I believe that God has always been and always will be. it's not like I haven't spent countless hours thinking of different possibilities. I just always end up at the same conclusion that God had to be there to create life. But basically, whatever you believe, it takes faith of some sort. There is no one on earth who can prove how the universe originally came to be. It's up to you to decide where to place your faith.

[Dragon_Droppings]

As many people have already said, man created god to have something to believe in and to hold on to.

@thunderbolt

You have said that the big bang theory doesn't make sense because there was nothing there to create the universe.


That was a uneducated answer because it rounds up to who created god all over again, which there is no logical explanation to it either. The big bang has so much science behind it, and the theory got developed over the years, where the theory of god just happened to make its way across the world.

[Anselmo]

How is the big bang possible if there was nothing in the universe before it?
And if there was something, then what created those things?


The Big Bang created time...there is no such thing as before.
How about if Big Bang is a white whole that is expelling the matter that is being sucked by a black whole is another pararel universe, this could explain your "nothing".


The thing is this
Jesus was born to the virgin mary~(scientificly impossible) lots of people belive this

It's possible check ou the images. It's UFO's :D

[Donkey]

IDK maybe the big bang created God
Probably the most intelligent thing said in this thread so far to be honest. If anything could have come to exist in the first place, somehow matter and dimensions of time came into place from what we don't know. Why can't there be a supreme master who was created at the same time?

It isn't for us to describe, if we don't understand existence in itself scientifically we can't expect to explain the existence of a deity using the same logic. I'm don't believe in a "God", just to clear things up by the way. But I am not going to be naive enough to say such a power does not exist.

[Jupiter]

Was there really a reason to saying that? That's just pointless.

no. my reason was to find out, obviously...

why are there so many religious things in rotw lately?

[Dragon_Droppings]

why are there so many religious things in rotw lately?

A great question that I'm sure would come to a great thread.

[Shark98]

God created Everything, including physics, but I believe that this entire universe is (this is just metaphorical) basically just a program invented on God's computer and he can go back and edit anything at anytime. This world, heaven, and hell are not real, the only thing that is truly real is the place wherever God is.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Uh, not probable, but impossible.

I hate to quote the Bible, but this seems like a legitimate time.

Matthew 19:26: Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

[Dragon_Droppings]

I hate to quote the Bible, but this seems like a legitimate time.

Matthew 19:26: Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

That is what the bible says.... And just because the bible says something, doesn't make it true

[Thunduhbuhlt]

That is what the bible says.... And just because the bible says something, doesn't make it true

He stated that it is impossible to speak to God, and I was stating this, which really makes sense in this situation.

Just because it may not be true to, you, it may be true to me.

[Nellerin]

Hmmm God isn't real in my opinion, I believe in life after death but God isn't something that I find to be possible. Most of what God is accredited with doing, can now be done with science (at least in theory).

[Dragon_Droppings]

He stated that it is impossible to speak to God, and I was stating this, which really makes sense in this situation.

Just because it may not be true to, you, it may be true to me.

Let's just agree to disagree on this one

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Let's just agree to disagree on this one

Yeah, this can easily get out of hand.
I don't need to get in trouble again for fighting.

[Buranri]

Probably the most intelligent thing said in this thread so far to be honest. If anything could have come to exist in the first place, somehow matter and dimensions of time came into place from what we don't know. Why can't there be a supreme master who was created at the same time?

It isn't for us to describe, if we don't understand existence in itself scientifically we can't expect to explain the existence of a deity using the same logic. I'm don't believe in a "God", just to clear things up by the way. But I am not going to be naive enough to say such a power does not exist.

That's the thing, it's impossible to understand "existence". What does that term even mean? We exist on earth, which is in our galaxy, which is in the universe. But is the universe in anything? Was there ever a time when the universe didn't exist?

The best I can come up with is, as I said, just that the universe always existed. Nothing created it, because it wasn't created. If you try to bring in some other power, then you have the same question - where did that power come from?

[dark_soul777]

Man created him.

This.

[CuriousDestruction]

oops

[Thunduhbuhlt]

... if this is what you believe, why create the bloody debate thread?

Considering I didn't make it, I have no response to this. I suggest rereading many of my posts on this and my creation thread which clearly states that I meant to have no part in this because it is something that cannot be changed for me.

[Nellerin]

Man created him.

exactly

[Mzor203]

For the existence of God to be a theory that has any value, you would have to be able to reason your way to believing him with absolutely no precedent and no bias. A simple way of doing this is going back to the beginning of the universe and asking what set the events of its origin in motion. In our isolated thought process, we know one thing:

"A lot of stuff suddenly appeared"

Where do you go from there? If you were never indoctrinated with either science or religion, there would simply be no logical step forward. We as humans have built up to asking the question of where the universe came from by accumulating knowledge over time. If you presented this to a human who had none of that previous knowledge (but still one that could hypothetically formulate thought patterns) his answer would simply be: "I don't know." It would be absolutely impossible to draw any sort of conclusion from that one bit of information.

With that in mind we have to realize that any speculation made in this thread is completely and utterly tainted with bias. The number of situations which could have created the universe is absolutely infinite, even situations we can not have imagined. We come back to a select few because we have leaders, either religious or scientific, who are using lifetimes of bias to speculate on a question which is in all likelihood impossible to answer.

Also, random note, from here on I'm simply going to refer to the "universe" as "existence" because we have no way of telling whether or not our universe in contained inside an even larger omniverse.

With this in mind I am not going to try to argue whether or not God exists, I'm not going to argue how the universe was created, etc. What I will argue is how utterly stupid this question is when viewed in this context. This thread lends itself to three types of people:

1) Non-believers who will simply argue that there is no God
2) Christians who believe that God was simply always there, who will simply argue that using circular logic (and other fallacies, I will say... this thread is just a cesspool of terrible debate)
3) Christians who question the omnipotence of God. God being created from something would disprove his omnipotence by default.

So the only conversation related to the topic at hand comes from group #3. The problem with that is firstly, they are very few compared to the rest of VT, and more importantly that time spent questioning what created God is much better suited to other pursuits.

If the question were to be answered, it would either prove that God was created by something and therefore unbalance the beliefs of Christianity (God is by definition omnipotent), however what decent Christian would take something proven with logic as fact over the words of their bible? (And this isn't meant as an attack, but simply as a truth that religious people look past logic in favour of faith regularly).

On the other hand, if God were proven to simply always be there... well, it would be impossible to actually do that, unless God decided to give us humans clear-cut proof.

In conclusion this is a really dumb question that has only circular outcomes. People who fall into the third group I mentioned should look past the question of God's omnipotence and extend their reach further to think about Christianity as a whole.


EDIT: Also, have all of the people on VT who know how to actually hold a debate just been banned or something? If I sifted out this thread I could make a cake made of pure fallacy. Jesus. ( =p )

[CuriousDestruction]

Considering I didn't make it, I have no response to this. I suggest rereading many of my posts on this and my creation thread which clearly states that I meant to have no part in this because it is something that cannot be changed for me.

whoops, my bad. sorry. ignore me.

[Silver Teardrops]

Man created him.

That is the simplest way to put a true statement. As TunderBolt has asked some magnificent questions saying they are inexplicable and the only explanation for all of these unexplainable answers is god, just shows even more that people have created god as a reason to why they were put on the planet. It is frightening to know that you are here to make your own life, and your own decisions, so people have created a god as their purpose as to why they are here on this planet. They say that their purpose here is to serve god, and to follow him. When you don't have a 'god' to look up to, suddenly your purpose as to why you are here on the planet becomes your own decision. Now you have to choose what you are going to do with your life, and if you are going to make good or bad dents in the world. Some people are too scared to fend for themselves in that manner, so they created a so called god to lead them in their path of life.

[Korashk]

From what I know of the Big Bang, it created the universe, not the other way around (by which I mean the universe as we know it did not exist yet). Saying things like:

"How is the big bang possible if there was nothing in the universe before it?"

Exhibit a fundamental ignorance of what the Big Bang even was. All of the laws and principles of physics are based on events that happened nanoseconds AFTER the Big Bang and a lot of concepts of physics, such as time, were created by the Big Bang. There is simply no way of knowing whether or not laws such as conservation of matter and energy even applied "before" the Big Bang, or even what "before" the Big Bang means.

[Sugaree]

This. I believe that every religion was created when some dude was on a drug trip. And back in the day when the masses were to ignorant of science they believed the "experience".

Because humans who lived tens of thousands of years ago had easy access to psychedelic drugs, right? I swear, you come up with the biggest bullshit on this forum. The masses then were ignorant of science because it simply didn't exist in society at the time. People credited everything to whatever entity they believed in. Modern science wasn't even conceived of until at least the 1300s or 1400s, and even then people weren't accepting it.

[IAMWILL]

Some aspects of this debate are very misinformed.
Firstly, the big claim I see here is that God must exist because for the Big Bang to happen, someone must have started it. False. Particles have been shown to spontaneously appear out of nothing, in other words matter being created, which although seems to violate a fundamental rule of 19-20th century science, that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, only changed, actually doesn't. Matter cannot be created nor destroyed within our universe, however it can be transfered between two separate universes, which seemingly would create matter in our universe, because we currently cannot percieve these separate universes, although mathematically they exist. This explains the origin of OUR universe, in full accordance with the Big Bang theory.
One may ask then, well the other universes must have been created by something too, which leads back to God. Also false. Our universe is only four dimensional. However, other universes are not. They can have four, six, 10, up to 26 dimensions, which means that the universal laws applied to our universe do not necesarily apply there. Therefore, because of the infinite number of mutiverse possible that mathematically exist, there is "matter" (although that isnt really the correct term outside our universe, "existence" is better) that can and has created itself, upon which it expanded and created new universes as part of the multiverse, including ours.
With that, God is not necessary for existence. If you want to learn more, read Michio Kakous book called "Hyperspace". It will blow your mind every 3 pages.

[Genghis Khan]

Because humans who lived tens of thousands of years ago had easy access to psychedelic drugs, right? I swear, you come up with the biggest bullshit on this forum. The masses then were ignorant of science because it simply didn't exist in society at the time. People credited everything to whatever entity they believed in. Modern science wasn't even conceived of until at least the 1300s or 1400s, and even then people weren't accepting it.

Drugs and poetry was quite common in 6th century Arabia at the time of the Prophet Mohammed. Obviously not every Prophet may have been on a drug trip during their revelations but it was quite likely that some of them may have been. Plus (at least in reference to Mohammed's time) people would go on trips, come back and claim to have gained enlightenment and seen a God, they were then allowed to carve an idol of their God and put it there along with the other Gods in the Ka'abah. Mohammed just took it a bit more seriously than they did, thus systematically massacred the entire Kaafir (unbelieving) population.

[Tyberz]

"How did God come to be?" For this question to be accurately addressed, we have to determine some Characteristics of God. Do we define God as an all powerful being with no one greater than him? If so, then God would always have to exist because nothing could create him, or else that thing would become God because it would have to be Greater than God to create him. If God is always existing is he in time or outside of time? I believe God is outside of time since even scientist agree that time began at the big bang. For everything that has a beginning, it must have a cause, the universe began, therefore it has a cause. For God to begin or cone from, he must have a cause, and then that cause must be God. You can keep on going back to how did that God begin, bit its unnecessary, so the supreme being must have existed with no cause, thereby always existing.

[DanielD210]

Its just simply called FAITH! =) you just have to believe that He has always been and always will be. =) its as simple as that!

[Professional Russian]

Its just simply called FAITH! =) you just have to believe that He has always been and always will be. =) its as simple as that!

Notice how you say "Believe" Im going to believe the scientific facts over the Theres mystical powers in the world we call god and he created a whole universe in 7 days theory

[Sugaree]

Its just simply called FAITH! =) you just have to believe that He has always been and always will be. =) its as simple as that!

It makes no sense to do that though. How can you believe in something you can't even see? I can say that I believe a person is standing next to me. Oh, you can't see him? You just have to believe he's there.

[Professional Russian]

It makes no sense to do that though. How can you believe in something you can't even see? I can say that I believe a person is standing next to me. Oh, you can't see him? You just have to believe he's there.

Thats what i said and im agreeing with

[User Deleted]

It makes no sense to do that though. How can you believe in something you can't even see? I can say that I believe a person is standing next to me. Oh, you can't see him? You just have to believe he's there.

I like the invisible magical pink unicorn analogy better

[NotYourSombrero]

There are plenty of things that can't be explained. If you start questing faith than you will run into a lot of holes.

[Weber_Swagg]

When people don't know something they naturally make up something to fill the void. Greeks didn't know what lightning was they came up with a mythical way to try to explain it. People don't know how we got here or what happens when they die so they created a mythical reason. We don't know how "god" came to be and we don't know how the particles for the big bang came to be. So instead of people thinking of a mythical reason for everything that we don't understand we should just live life.

[jackson94]

Man created him.

BOOM
Thread over.

[Ardalan]

Here's a compeletly scientific prove for god.
I hope i can tell my idea in english properly.sorry for any gramatic mistakes
You all know Einstein.
He Has a formula that proves that you can not reach light's speed.
Eistein proves that even if we manage to get near to light's speed,the latest time we can reach is 10^-34 seconds and we can not access any lower time
So there is gap (a hole) in the times between 0 (or even less.we can not tell)
to 10^-34 that we can not and never will reach.
They call this gap THE GOD.nobody can tell what is in this gap.
Let's recall to the famous egg and chicken thing.which one existed first?
The answer is we can never tell.because we can not reach that gap in time and saw what happened.they saw bigbang so big bang's light so big bang is within the "10^-34 to now" time period.AFTER the GAP.after THE GOD.
And about the 7days theory.
It is in Quran that "we created the world in 7 days"
Think about it a little.it is written for some illiterate people who ate lizards as food( still tey do bythe way)
So DAYS mean levels,stages,or time periods.not normal days.

I tried to explain as well as I could.
But still anyone can have his or her idea.god is there.that's mine

[Mirage]

Honestly, to me this is one of the most mysterious questions. I cannot possibly answer this, it is honestly too confusing. I do not understand how He came to be, I guess we will never truly know.

P.S: The other answers here are quite interesting!

[Azunite]

The term "Time" is something humans created.

There is no such thing called "time" in the Floor of God, that's why we cannot say "God was created in..." etc. God was simply there.

[Can'tHelpIt]

That one, I see how it would be explained...
I have one question for you though...
Do you believe in the theory of evolution?

Because if you do then if we came from apes, where did they come from?
And who created the earth if God didn't?
And if you mention the big bang, what caused that to happen, and what created the elements that caused that explosion?

We can go as deep as you would like, it all comes back to God.
Dude what happened was there was a momeent in time where a bunch of matter fused into a dense little ball which became the big bang. The Big Bang has been proven. then the aes came from whatever they evolved from coming from bacteria. Earlier in time we couldn't figure all this out so ppl made up and all mighty being but even so he wasnt the first the first was all mighty beings like the greek and roman gods. All of this religon crap was to explain what we now know but ppl are to ignorant to acceppt it

[Truth]

Well, in my opinion, God was created when a greedy person in ancient eastern countries found out about imagination. :yeah:

[Erasmus]

The term "Time" is something humans created.

There is no such thing called "time" in the Floor of God, that's why we cannot say "God was created in..." etc. God was simply there.

I like that...

[Truth]

The term "Time" is something humans created.

There is no such thing called "time" in the Floor of God, that's why we cannot say "God was created in..." etc. God was simply there. By that logic, how do you know the universe wasn't simply... "there"? Why did it need to be created, if God himself doesn't need to be created by something?

If you were arguing that God is real, you really should consider more convincing things to say.

[JackShephard]

WARNING: Lots of unconnected thoughts here. Probably going to be corrected on my misunderstandings. This is only what I have grasped from bits and pieces of Steven Hawking books and other great minds who study this sort of thing.

We exist in a finite universe (at lease to my understanding.) And the big band theory (again, my understanding of it,) was when a single point of infinite energy and infinite mass exploded. Energy became particles which became atoms which became mass. Infinity was before "time" and spawned a finite universe. I look at it like this (those who have read up on the 11 dimensions, this is for you) infinity encompasses all of them and finitey is when a "prisim" separates them into 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11. Like when white light is separated into a rainbow by a prisim. I don't exactly know if in describing everything clearly and I can't be sure how accurate I am. I only know of bits and pieces. But what I am getting at is that if God is infinite, he exists outside of time. He must have created what caused the big bang that spawned "time." He would not see things like we do. Because time does not exist in infinity, he (in words I can best describe) has, is, and will see every event's past, present and future all at once and for all eternity.

In my opinion, God IS the universe. The only loose end is, where did he con from? I think that somehow (if you can wrap your brain around it) infinity exists because it is infinity. I can only touch the surface of the theories I have heard about.

This does not prove the existence of God. It only explains infinity (well to what I could reason). You could argue that God is or isn't the infinite plane. It does not matter really. I see both sides raising good points and reasoning things well.

[Can'tHelpIt]

Ok If you look at it this way. There is one planet with life that we know of. Only a percentage of this population believes in "God." Now if there was a "God" why would there not be more life who knew what he was. For real out of everything ever all religons and worlds their are you just think you are right? Ya no

Does anyone get what I'm saying?

[jackson94]

The term "Time" is something humans created.



Well, I'd say we fundamentally disagree on that. Sure, we created the word 'time', but I'd call it a bit conceited that human beings actually invented time. I'd say that time has always existed, sure, not split up in to hours, minutes, or seconds. But animals alive millions of years ago were aware of time. And I'm sure there are aliens somewhere else in the universe who are aware of time. My cat is pretty aware of time, she gets up every morning and stares out our side window to taunt a dog that she knows gets let outside every morning at about 7. Time exists, it wasn't created.

[JackShephard]

[QUOTE=PrinceOfMadness;1671313]The term "Time" is something humans created.

[QUOTE]

Well, I'd say we fundamentally disagree on that. Sure, we created the word 'time', but I'd call it a bit conceited that human beings actually invented time. I'd say that time has always existed, sure, not split up in to hours, minutes, or seconds. But animals alive millions of years ago were aware of time. And I'm sure there are aliens somewhere else in the universe who are aware of time. My cat is pretty aware of time, she gets up every morning and stares out our side window to taunt a dog that she knows gets let outside every morning at about 7. Time exists, it wasn't created.

I believe that time only exists after the big bang.

[Rage of the Menace]

Time began with the big bang.

[HackerExecute]

Man created him.

As he said. ^
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[QUOTE=jackson94;1683272][QUOTE=PrinceOfMadness;1671313]The term "Time" is something humans created.



I believe that time only exists after the big bang.

There is "time" as in "the time it takes to get from here to there."

There is the "time" we created dealing with numbers. "It is 5 o clock". We could have created it to be 7 o clock instead. That is the time that does not exist.

There is also "time" as in "the dimension of time."

[Donkey]

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