Abstinence Education... And why it sucks...

[boonsim]

At my school, we had a program involved with Planned Parenthood, which encouraged teens to use protection when having sex. Due to some angry Christians, the school cancelled the program and now is teaching "abstinence education" (AKA Hinder Human Nature Education). I think this is absolutely stupid. Why do Christians despise birth control so much? Now, I don't think they ALL do, but the crazy ones sure won't shut up about it.

So what do you think?

[Jupiter]

oh well. they should be taught both.

[Erasmus]

oh well. they should be taught both.

my thoughts to a T.

[Short Circuit]

Here in the UK, some schools use a "virtual infant simulator". Basically its a baby doll that is programmed to poop, wee and need feeding, you have to respond to the babies needs. Any form of neglect, abuse etc, is recorded. It is given to both boys and girls to learn how difficult it is to raise a baby, and is part of the Sex Ed Programme. It really does make you think about having unprotected sex!

http://www.virtualbaby.co.uk/

[Electra Heart]

Once again, please stop trying to talk about Christians in such a general sense. I am Christian, and I have NO problem with birth control.

[Genghis Khan]

Once again, please stop trying to talk about Christians in such a general sense. I am Christian, and I have NO problem with birth control.

No one cares if you're one of the select few Christians that disagree with birth control, people will always refer to your group based on the most vocal members. Deal with it.

[ImCoolBeans]

Once again, please stop trying to talk about Christians in such a general sense. I am Christian, and I have NO problem with birth control.

A lot of people really dislike Germans, not all of them were Nazis.

[Jupiter]

EDIT:

this wasn't very nice.

[Professional Russian]

A lot of people really dislike Germans, not all of them were Nazis.

Are you calling me a Nazi(yes im 45% German)

[Jupiter]

Are you calling me a Nazi(yes im 45% German)

no, he isn't. please read. he said not all of them were nazi's.

[Professional Russian]

yes i know. It was sarcastic. But i might as well contribute while im here. Is your school public or private. If its public they should not get involved with religion. My school can not do anything religious do to the high amount of different religions.

[Efflorescence]

No one cares if you're one of the select few Christians that disagree with birth control, people will always refer to your group based on the most vocal members. Deal with it.

Indeed. Only few select Christians disagree with birth control nowadays. Many Christians today are in favour of using contraception and many use it themselves.

[Genghis Khan]

Indeed. Only few select Christians disagree with birth control nowadays. Many Christians today are in favour of using contraception and many use it themselves.

Hmmm fucked up my wording there. What I meant to point out was if you are one of them, regardless of whether you are a minority or a majority, you are not the most vocal of your group. The most vocal ones are those who campaign against birth control and other such things. Therefore people will refer to your group as 'Christians' and not 'those select few Christians that campaign against abortion' because it's impractical and a waste of time.

[Wicked_Syn]

Once again, please stop trying to talk about Christians in such a general sense. I am Christian, and I have NO problem with birth control.

I can understand how you feel, but really, you need to realize that most of the people from your religion are nothing but complete morons and know nothing of what they speak on.

Like I said, I feel for you and understand how you could feel, but you just need to deal with it.

[BOSS]

Like bogumil said they should be taught both if you ask me. I will admit that some Christians tend to shove there religion down peoples thoughts but that's just one of them things that you gotta put up with I guess.

[Genghis Khan]

Like bogumil said they should be taught both if you ask me.

I would disagree with teaching abstinence. No one should be taught to suppress their natural instincts as a human being. There is no real damage to having sex these days and especially with the introduction of birth control. Kids should not be discouraged nor should they be encouraged, rather the options should be left open to them. Plus they should know that if they do decide to indulge in intercourse there are rules to follow and if not followed they can lead to unwanted consequences.

[Professional Russian]

I would disagree with teaching abstinence. No one should be taught to suppress their natural instincts as a human being. There is no real damage to having sex these days especially with birth control, kids should not be discouraged nor should they be encouraged, rather the options should be left open to them. Plus they should know that if they do decide to indulge in intercourse there are rules to follow and if not followed they can lead to unwanted consequences.
My school teaches us all about. Just the other day my science teacher actually lectured the class on the amount of people in my school that are "sexually active" as he put. Biggest waste of 41 minutes ive ever seen.

[BOSS]

I would disagree with teaching abstinence. No one should be taught to suppress their natural instincts as a human being. There is no real damage to having sex these days and especially with the introduction of birth control. Kids should not be discouraged nor should they be encouraged, rather the options should be left open to them. Plus they should know that if they do decide to indulge in intercourse there are rules to follow and if not followed they can lead to unwanted consequences.

yeah sure what ever. I just feel that abstinence is the best way to go and It should be taught in all the schools just like the word of God should be taught in schools but of course many people just don't want to here it.

[Professional Russian]

yeah sure what ever. I just feel that abstinence is the best way to go and It should be taught in all the schools just like the word of God should be taught in schools but of course many people just don't want to here it.

They cant teach anything religious in public schools due to the diversity of religions mixed. Some kids might agree with you and some would not and complain

[BOSS]

They cant teach anything religious in public schools due to the diversity of religions mixed. Some kids might agree with you and some would not and complain

witch is why I said before "some people just don't want to here it" But I live in America and this great land was founded by Christians and this is "well not really any more" a christian country. I'm sorry but I just feel that God should be brought back into the schools and all these atheists and other people of different religions don't have to listen if they don't want to. GOD bless America

[Efflorescence]

Hmmm fucked up my wording there. What I meant to point out was if you are one of them, regardless of whether you are a minority or a majority, you are not the most vocal of your group. The most vocal ones are those who campaign against birth control and other such things. Therefore people will refer to your group as 'Christians' and not 'those select few Christians that campaign against abortion' because it's impractical and a waste of time.

Now wait a sec. Abortion is one thing and birth control is another. There are people who agree with abortion in general but do not agree with abortion being used as a method of birth control. I don't think that that's what the OP meant anyway. When the OP said birth control I thought he was referring to methods of contraception..... as in methods of prevention like condom and things like that.

I mean even in our PSD lesson they taught us about the various methods of contraception and no one said a word about it. These are just extremists we're talking about here. And the school shouldn't have stopped people from getting educated about contraceptives just because there were these extremists. Who died and made them queen?

[Professional Russian]

witch is why I said before "some people just don't want to here it" But I live in America and this great land was founded by Christians and this is "well not really any more" a christian country. I'm sorry but I just feel that God should be brought back into the schools and all these atheists and other people of different religions don't have to listen if they don't want to. GOD bless America

Yes i know i live in the U.S. too but i dont think it would ever happen

[Genghis Khan]

Now wait a sec. Abortion is one thing and birth control is another.

I know, I meant that in a general sense.

There are people who agree with abortion in general but do not agree with abortion being used as a method of birth control. I don't think that that's what the OP meant anyway. When the OP said birth control I thought he was referring to methods of contraception..... as in methods of prevention like condom and things like that.

I suppose abortion can be used as a method of birth control so for the sake of simplicity we could include it.

I mean even in our PSD lesson they taught us about the various methods of contraception and no one said a word about it. These are just extremists we're talking about here.

My whole point was that even if those people are just the extremists they are also the most vocal in the group. People will make judgements about you based on who are the most vocal in your group. It's unfair and harsh but it's reality.

When people expect me to be an aggressive and intolerant person because I'm an atheist, I don't get shit flippy at that because I know that the only exposure they may have had to atheists were dickwads like Christopher Hitchens or Sam Harris. Or the odd atheist who tends to be a bit aggressive, I know I was like that at one point.

So when people say 'why do atheists feel like they have to shove religion down people's throats' they aren't wrong in saying so, because that is a general statement. Usually that just implies 'why do certain atheists feel... etc.' and not 'every single atheist must be like this'.

Apply this same logic to what the person said about Christians and you have the point I was trying to make.

[kenoloor]

witch is why I said before "some people just don't want to here it" But I live in America and this great land was founded by Christians and this is "well not really any more" a christian country. I'm sorry but I just feel that God should be brought back into the schools and all these atheists and other people of different religions don't have to listen if they don't want to. GOD bless America

You clearly know nothing about the principles upon which America was founded.

[BOSS]

You clearly know nothing about the principles upon which America was founded.

I do realize that America has the freedom of Religion and America is the great melting pot but come on.

[Genghis Khan]

witch is why I said before "some people just don't want to here it" But I live in America and this great land was founded by Christians and this is "well not really any more" a christian country.

Actually, it was a predominantly Christian majority country. Still is quite Christian but has improved in terms of multi-culturalism vastly. Even when America was founded it was made clear that the country will not run in congruence with Biblical law, it just so happened that the founders and people were Christians. Now that it isn't the case, people who still are Christians can move on and practice their faith in the confines of their households just as people from different faiths now living in America may do the same. Secularism doesn't favour one faith over another, it just asks for one particular standpoint to not have a monopoly on things.

I'm sorry but I just feel that God should be brought back into the schools and all these atheists and other people of different religions don't have to listen if they don't want to. GOD bless America

Yeah I apologise but I feel that books should be shred up in a huge pile for me to swim around in I'm sorry but that's just my fetish and I'm not imposing it but I believe everyone should just look away if they don't like to see me laughing naked in a pile of ripped textbooks.

I do realize that America has the freedom of Religion and America is the great melting pot but come on.

yeah come on, why wouldn't anyone want to take a dip in my cavity it's so so warm

[Efflorescence]

When people expect me to be an aggressive and intolerant person because I'm an atheist, I don't get shit flippy at that because I know that the only exposure they may have had to atheists were dickwads like Christopher Hitchens or Sam Harris. Or the odd atheist who tends to be a bit aggressive, I know I was like that at one point.

So when people say 'why do atheists feel like they have to shove religion down people's throats' they aren't wrong in saying so, because that is a general statement. Usually that just implies 'why do certain atheists feel... etc.' and not 'every single atheist must be like this'.

Apply this same logic to what the person said about Christians and you have the point I was trying to make.

Yeah I got it. I understand now what you were trying to say but it sucks. ass. Because you're being held accountable for actions which you have not committed. And they are judging you before they even know you. I think that's why Millennium said this

Once again, please stop trying to talk about Christians in such a general sense. I am Christian, and I have NO problem with birth control.

Because it's fuckin unfair, that's what. And because let's face it, it's Christians who are viewed as being the most intolerant on here so one doesn't blame people for being a bit on the defensive.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

At my school, we had a program involved with Planned Parenthood, which encouraged teens to use protection when having sex. Due to some angry Christians, the school cancelled the program and now is teaching "abstinence education" (AKA Hinder Human Nature Education). I think this is absolutely stupid. Why do Christians despise birth control so much? Now, I don't think they ALL do, but the crazy ones sure won't shut up about it.

So what do you think?

Well, it's generally not most Christians, but is Catholics. I am totally fine with birth control, and it should be taught.

I mean come on, it's the 21st century, people are gonna do it whether or not they are Catholic or Buddhist and it's better to protect and teach us now, rather then later when it's too late.

[JeSuisAmericaine]

Biologically, removing birth control and abstinence would make sense: Higher population=progress, in some sense. But take a moment and think: Seven billion. That's 7,000,000,000 and counting. Seven billion individuals, each consuming resources, taking up space and generally doing harm to the earth, especially in what we consider "modern civilization" (as in adapting environment, not adapting *to* environment). Also, think about all of the mothers unable to care for their children. I have a friend who was literally left to die out on a street before being rescued. Though it is an extreme example, do we really want more of that? For this reason, I am for practices of abstinence, safe sex and abortion.