The Truth About Ghosts

[Spook]

So...what's this mumbo jumbo about ghosts? Spirits that walk the earth and randomly single out people to try to scare them? Spirits that are attatched to houses or old shacks that were viciously murdered and searching for revenge? Okay, when I was younger I had my share of paranormal scares, but it can all be counted up to simple logic. So, today I am going to put down the logic to all paranormal events I can think of. Finally talk some common sense, perhaps?

1. Lights flickering- 2 possibilites on this one. It could be an electric short, or your lightbulb needs to be changed. Happened to me before, my light blew out the next day.

2. Doors opening by themselves- This can occur if you have not shut the door completely, or a hinge is loose. ALso, the stopper inside the door could be broken or not latched fully.

3. Blinds movement- I got a scare in my room one night when my blinds suddenly closed loudly- I figured out later that there was an air vent right above them. That's one possibility- the other is that the strings that hold the blinds came loose and dropped open. The same for when they open by themselves- just reversed.

4. Voices- There are tons of possibilities- phones being turned on and forgotten, television sets, nextdoor neighbors, computer left on a website/video, radio turned on and forgotten, people still at home/talking in their sleep, you name it! As for "little girl ghosts laughing"- tons of things can sound like lauging, and it can come from tons of sources. Outruled.

5. Seeing faces/shapes- For scary-looking shadows, look around your room for things placed that could project a shadow like that, or trees outside. As for actually seeing faces- translucent or solid, oftentimes your brain can put together shapes and pictures that it has seen and form an unrecognizable figure, oftentimes humans; as we often interact with them. In the eyes of a child or a teen, these images are real. Also, children being very imaginative can put these things into their mind by themselves, and later in life remember it as being a real event.

6. Banging and scraping- I used to be frightened by scraping noises and footsteps in my house, then we found out we had squirrels living in our attic. Animals, neighbors, plumbing, electricity, family members, pets, creaky floors- all of these can make the sounds we hear and get frightened by- but our brains being young and imaginative imagine the worst possible outcome- and evil vengeful spirit haunting our home and scraping the floorboards to come and murder us. I mean, seriously?

Well, I hope I have managed to put some possibilities out there for you guys to think about and factor in when it comes to "paranormal events." As for your bed rising off the floor and your cat being tossed across the room, you might want to see a therapist. :P

[Donkey]

It's not always about the physical things. While I don't agree with it, for a lot of people it's about spirituality and getting a cold feeling as if a breeze just hit the room; a tingle up your spine and a feeling of being "touched".

[Spook]

It's not always about the physical things. While I don't agree with it, for a lot of people it's about spirituality and getting a cold feeling as if a breeze just hit the room; a tingle up your spine and a feeling of being "touched".

Shiver. Cool breeze. Brushing something. Your mind playing tricks on you.

There's so many possibilities and I'm just saying that we ultimately jump to the worst possible conclusion about things. :)

[Donkey]

Shiver. Cool breeze. Brushing something. Your mind playing tricks on you.

There's so many possibilities and I'm just saying that we ultimately jump to the worst possible conclusion about things. :)
yeah but you gotta let people believe what they wanna, if you try to intrude on that you are just going to get a lot coming straight back at you and for what point? You can believe one thing, someone else can believe another. There is just no need to argue about it; someone believing in ghosts is hardly infringing your rights or affecting you in any way. You're just asking for a reaction from those who believe in it. I just think, chill out you know.. there's no need

[Professional Russian]

So...what's this mumbo jumbo about ghosts? Spirits that walk the earth and randomly single out people to try to scare them? Spirits that are attatched to houses or old shacks that were viciously murdered and searching for revenge? Okay, when I was younger I had my share of paranormal scares, but it can all be counted up to simple logic. So, today I am going to put down the logic to all paranormal events I can think of. Finally talk some common sense, perhaps?

1. Lights flickering- 2 possibilites on this one. It could be an electric short, or your lightbulb needs to be changed. Happened to me before, my light blew out the next day.

2. Doors opening by themselves- This can occur if you have not shut the door completely, or a hinge is loose. ALso, the stopper inside the door could be broken or not latched fully.

3. Blinds movement- I got a scare in my room one night when my blinds suddenly closed loudly- I figured out later that there was an air vent right above them. That's one possibility- the other is that the strings that hold the blinds came loose and dropped open. The same for when they open by themselves- just reversed.

4. Voices- There are tons of possibilities- phones being turned on and forgotten, television sets, nextdoor neighbors, computer left on a website/video, radio turned on and forgotten, people still at home/talking in their sleep, you name it! As for "little girl ghosts laughing"- tons of things can sound like lauging, and it can come from tons of sources. Outruled.

5. Seeing faces/shapes- For scary-looking shadows, look around your room for things placed that could project a shadow like that, or trees outside. As for actually seeing faces- translucent or solid, oftentimes your brain can put together shapes and pictures that it has seen and form an unrecognizable figure, oftentimes humans; as we often interact with them. In the eyes of a child or a teen, these images are real. Also, children being very imaginative can put these things into their mind by themselves, and later in life remember it as being a real event.

6. Banging and scraping- I used to be frightened by scraping noises and footsteps in my house, then we found out we had squirrels living in our attic. Animals, neighbors, plumbing, electricity, family members, pets, creaky floors- all of these can make the sounds we hear and get frightened by- but our brains being young and imaginative imagine the worst possible outcome- and evil vengeful spirit haunting our home and scraping the floorboards to come and murder us. I mean, seriously?

Well, I hope I have managed to put some possibilities out there for you guys to think about and factor in when it comes to "paranormal events." As for your bed rising off the floor and your cat being tossed across the room, you might want to see a therapist. :P

No man they're totally real *Sarcasm* I personally believe if something happens when im home alone its either a ghost or someones trying to kill me so yeagh.

[Anselmo]

How about Class A EVP's?

[Electra Heart]

While these ARE possibilites, I don't fully agree with you. Sometimes an experience is so genuine that we are forced to believe things that are minds were never open to before...

[Jess]

I agree with you 100%. just because something odd happens...doesn't mean it's a ghost or some invisible creature...:S

[Thunduhbuhlt]

So...what's this mumbo jumbo about ghosts? Spirits that walk the earth and randomly single out people to try to scare them? Spirits that are attatched to houses or old shacks that were viciously murdered and searching for revenge? Okay, when I was younger I had my share of paranormal scares, but it can all be counted up to simple logic. So, today I am going to put down the logic to all paranormal events I can think of. Finally talk some common sense, perhaps?

1. Lights flickering- 2 possibilites on this one. It could be an electric short, or your lightbulb needs to be changed. Happened to me before, my light blew out the next day.

2. Doors opening by themselves- This can occur if you have not shut the door completely, or a hinge is loose. ALso, the stopper inside the door could be broken or not latched fully.

3. Blinds movement- I got a scare in my room one night when my blinds suddenly closed loudly- I figured out later that there was an air vent right above them. That's one possibility- the other is that the strings that hold the blinds came loose and dropped open. The same for when they open by themselves- just reversed.

4. Voices- There are tons of possibilities- phones being turned on and forgotten, television sets, nextdoor neighbors, computer left on a website/video, radio turned on and forgotten, people still at home/talking in their sleep, you name it! As for "little girl ghosts laughing"- tons of things can sound like lauging, and it can come from tons of sources. Outruled.

5. Seeing faces/shapes- For scary-looking shadows, look around your room for things placed that could project a shadow like that, or trees outside. As for actually seeing faces- translucent or solid, oftentimes your brain can put together shapes and pictures that it has seen and form an unrecognizable figure, oftentimes humans; as we often interact with them. In the eyes of a child or a teen, these images are real. Also, children being very imaginative can put these things into their mind by themselves, and later in life remember it as being a real event.

6. Banging and scraping- I used to be frightened by scraping noises and footsteps in my house, then we found out we had squirrels living in our attic. Animals, neighbors, plumbing, electricity, family members, pets, creaky floors- all of these can make the sounds we hear and get frightened by- but our brains being young and imaginative imagine the worst possible outcome- and evil vengeful spirit haunting our home and scraping the floorboards to come and murder us. I mean, seriously?

Well, I hope I have managed to put some possibilities out there for you guys to think about and factor in when it comes to "paranormal events." As for your bed rising off the floor and your cat being tossed across the room, you might want to see a therapist. :P

While people generally do mistake spirits for just some simple occurance, I do not agree completely. I believe that there are spirits, good and bad, but are much less common than originally thought. You hear a lot of stories and a lot of inexplicable things happen, that sometimes are resolved with religious practices. How else can those things be explained?

[Mortal Coil]

I think that scary movies have conditioned us to jump to that conclusion so much that people can become convinced that they have come in contact with a ghost despite the fact that it is most likely not the case.
However, energy can never be destroyed or created, so when a person dies... where does that energy go?
Just food for thought that I stole from my summer reading novel last year. Hoping someone can give me a rational explanation.

[Donkey]

I think that scary movies have conditioned us to jump to that conclusion so much that people can become convinced that they have come in contact with a ghost despite the fact that it is most likely not the case.
However, energy can never be destroyed or created, so when a person dies... where does that energy go?
Just food for thought that I stole from my summer reading novel last year. Hoping someone can give me a rational explanation.
Human consciousness in itself is not energy at all. It's the case that neurotransmitters and neuro pathways in the brain overall create the feeling we call consciousness; life - reality, being human. While those neurological functions need energy (via very small electrical impulses generated by chemical processes), once they get it (like this (http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/cells-tissues/human-body-make-electricity.htm), if you're wondering) and it's used up, it's just transferred like any other PHYSICAL energy is. Hence, it fuels the processes that act on the dead human body. Our body's decomposition in itself needs energy; it needs to give energy to the microbes to do that job. The same way if our body is burned, the chemicals in our body burn giving energy to the reaction and in the end heat to the fire. Hope that clears up any wishy washy pseudo science you may have heard

[PerpetualImperfexion]

Ghosts/spirits are fictional bull shit. Everything associated with them can either be proven logically or the person experiencing these events can be deemed as insane.

[Erasmus]

i don't believe at all in ghosts.

[insanity]

So...what's this mumbo jumbo about ghosts? Spirits that walk the earth and randomly single out people to try to scare them? Spirits that are attatched to houses or old shacks that were viciously murdered and searching for revenge? Okay, when I was younger I had my share of paranormal scares, but it can all be counted up to simple logic. So, today I am going to put down the logic to all paranormal events I can think of. Finally talk some common sense, perhaps?

1. Lights flickering- 2 possibilites on this one. It could be an electric short, or your lightbulb needs to be changed. Happened to me before, my light blew out the next day.

2. Doors opening by themselves- This can occur if you have not shut the door completely, or a hinge is loose. ALso, the stopper inside the door could be broken or not latched fully.

3. Blinds movement- I got a scare in my room one night when my blinds suddenly closed loudly- I figured out later that there was an air vent right above them. That's one possibility- the other is that the strings that hold the blinds came loose and dropped open. The same for when they open by themselves- just reversed.

4. Voices- There are tons of possibilities- phones being turned on and forgotten, television sets, nextdoor neighbors, computer left on a website/video, radio turned on and forgotten, people still at home/talking in their sleep, you name it! As for "little girl ghosts laughing"- tons of things can sound like lauging, and it can come from tons of sources. Outruled.

5. Seeing faces/shapes- For scary-looking shadows, look around your room for things placed that could project a shadow like that, or trees outside. As for actually seeing faces- translucent or solid, oftentimes your brain can put together shapes and pictures that it has seen and form an unrecognizable figure, oftentimes humans; as we often interact with them. In the eyes of a child or a teen, these images are real. Also, children being very imaginative can put these things into their mind by themselves, and later in life remember it as being a real event.

6. Banging and scraping- I used to be frightened by scraping noises and footsteps in my house, then we found out we had squirrels living in our attic. Animals, neighbors, plumbing, electricity, family members, pets, creaky floors- all of these can make the sounds we hear and get frightened by- but our brains being young and imaginative imagine the worst possible outcome- and evil vengeful spirit haunting our home and scraping the floorboards to come and murder us. I mean, seriously?

Well, I hope I have managed to put some possibilities out there for you guys to think about and factor in when it comes to "paranormal events." As for your bed rising off the floor and your cat being tossed across the room, you might want to see a therapist. :P

You obviously dont believe in ghosts and thats fine, but you have to understand other people do. Its not something you 'believe in' when you see or feel a spirit it becomes something you know exists. There is a huge difference beetween shadows and weird noises that may be a ghost and that moment when you actually experience it.

Im sorry I dont see from your point of veiw, but this thread should really be called 'what I think of ghosts' as it is just your opinion and not nessesarily the truth.


Ghosts/spirits are fictional bull shit. Everything associated with them can either be proven logically or the person experiencing these events can be deemed as insane.

Says who? what prove/evidence do you have that EVERYTHING regarding ghosts can be proven wrong? So.... are you saying believing in ghosts makes you insane?

[Yehudis13]

So...what's this mumbo jumbo about ghosts? Spirits that walk the earth and randomly single out people to try to scare them? Spirits that are attatched to houses or old shacks that were viciously murdered and searching for revenge? Okay, when I was younger I had my share of paranormal scares, but it can all be counted up to simple logic. So, today I am going to put down the logic to all paranormal events I can think of. Finally talk some common sense, perhaps?

1. Lights flickering- 2 possibilites on this one. It could be an electric short, or your lightbulb needs to be changed. Happened to me before, my light blew out the next day.

2. Doors opening by themselves- This can occur if you have not shut the door completely, or a hinge is loose. ALso, the stopper inside the door could be broken or not latched fully.

3. Blinds movement- I got a scare in my room one night when my blinds suddenly closed loudly- I figured out later that there was an air vent right above them. That's one possibility- the other is that the strings that hold the blinds came loose and dropped open. The same for when they open by themselves- just reversed.

4. Voices- There are tons of possibilities- phones being turned on and forgotten, television sets, nextdoor neighbors, computer left on a website/video, radio turned on and forgotten, people still at home/talking in their sleep, you name it! As for "little girl ghosts laughing"- tons of things can sound like lauging, and it can come from tons of sources. Outruled.

5. Seeing faces/shapes- For scary-looking shadows, look around your room for things placed that could project a shadow like that, or trees outside. As for actually seeing faces- translucent or solid, oftentimes your brain can put together shapes and pictures that it has seen and form an unrecognizable figure, oftentimes humans; as we often interact with them. In the eyes of a child or a teen, these images are real. Also, children being very imaginative can put these things into their mind by themselves, and later in life remember it as being a real event.

6. Banging and scraping- I used to be frightened by scraping noises and footsteps in my house, then we found out we had squirrels living in our attic. Animals, neighbors, plumbing, electricity, family members, pets, creaky floors- all of these can make the sounds we hear and get frightened by- but our brains being young and imaginative imagine the worst possible outcome- and evil vengeful spirit haunting our home and scraping the floorboards to come and murder us. I mean, seriously?

Well, I hope I have managed to put some possibilities out there for you guys to think about and factor in when it comes to "paranormal events." As for your bed rising off the floor and your cat being tossed across the room, you might want to see a therapist. :P

While those are all somewhat reasonable explanations, many people believe in ghosts. And I'll have to agree with Donkey's first post stating that it is not just physical. I personally don't believe in ghosts, but there are people put there who do, and will have great counter arguments, because you presented a weak argument.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

Says who? what prove/evidence do you have that EVERYTHING regarding ghosts can be proven wrong? So.... are you saying believing in ghosts makes you insane?

How do you prove that something doesn't exist? A picture? Show me something that DOES prove the existence of ghosts and, if I am unable to rationally explain this, I will gladly agree with you. I'm not saying BELIEVING in ghosts is proof that you're insane (but it is a little irrational). I'm saying that SEEING, HEARING, and FEELING things that aren't there is literally a sign of insanity.

[Tyberz]

I personally do not believe in ghosts, the spirits of the dead stuck on earth, but I do believe that people can experience spirits, such as angels and demons.

Edit: Based on what your definition of Ghosts is for this thread, you might have been confused with the above statement. If you relate ghosts as anything Supernatural, then yes I believe in them. If you define ghosts as the spirits of deceased human beings, then no I do not believe in them. So I believe in the supernatural, just not the "super human natural."

[kenoloor]

I personally do not believe in ghosts, the spirits of the dead stuck on earth, but I do believe that people can experience spirits, such as angels and demons.

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[Yehudis13]

I personally do not believe in ghosts, the spirits of the dead stuck on earth, but I do believe that people can experience spirits, such as angels and demons.

WTF??

[Anna G]

Funny true story a year ago my cousin slept over night with me in my room she saw the ball rolling around in the cat toy and got scared. Wakes me up and says a ghost is in the room.Told her it was just the cat she hits it than runs to hide.

[insanity]

How do you prove that something doesn't exist?

Exactly. You cant. So if you cant prove something doesnt exist, then is there a chance it might exist?

Show me something that DOES prove the existence of ghosts

Why should I prove to you ghosts exist? I never said they did or didnt exist. I am just trying to say you cant say something definatly doesnt exist, if you have no way to prove it or if you have no backing evidence to show that they are just definatly "fictional bull shit" like you said before.

[Dragon_Droppings]

I love this thread. Who gives a fuck over whether ghosts are real or not, Nyra can't prove that ghosts arent real, and we can't go banging her senseless just because she believes in one thing.

[insanity]

I love this thread. Who gives a fuck over whether ghosts are real or not, Nyra can't prove that ghosts arent real, and we can't go banging her senseless just because she believes in one thing.

Its not that she believes they arnt real, its that she is saying its 'the truth about ghosts' which of course not everyone agrees with.

[Dragon_Droppings]

Its not that she believes they arnt real, its that she is saying its 'the truth about ghosts' which of course not everyone agrees with.

IDGAF. As yehudis13 said, nyras arguments are weak, and as Donkey said, it's not only physical

[Spook]

My argument I guess was not completed. I do belive in ghosts. Just, I believe that we sort of exaggerate events that happen in our lives and immediately jump to conclusions. I do believe that ghosts exist, but I don't understand why we are so afraid of them. I think maybe all the horror movies with ghosts make us freak at anything minimally related, but I think that ghosts are just spirits that walk the earth- that have not "crossed over" you could say, and are in the in-between. I don't believe they can interact with humans, but that's just my opinion. I just really can't grasp why we think that ghosts always have the intention of hurting and killing us...

And I will repeat as I was not understood the first time, my argument was plainly to state that we overreact and jump to conclusions about events that happen in our lives- that have logical and simple explanations.

Also, I never once stated that ghosts DONT exist nor did I try to prove it. I said that we exaggerate.

One more thing- We can't prove ghosts don't exist, but we don't have solid proof either that they do. (Suspense)

[khila]

How do you prove that something doesn't exist? how do u prove religion? a point is we can not confirm OR deny that ghosts exsist yes we can put somethings off to logic but others we can not hope to fathom that we just grasp at straws for logical explination like the electro magnativity that useally accompines these experiances

[Syvelocin]

I won't call it a ghost but I do believe there are things that science can't yet explain. I feel like energies actually exist, but ghosts, I can't really say. I'd like to believe that they don't exist. I won't say they don't. But I think the idea that dead things can come back and be sentient is stupid.

Energy, however, is a very real thing. I think some paranormal things are true to an extent. I believe in "feelings" and senses to a certain degree. I can't really specify that any further without assuming something that is contested.

So I guess what I'm saying, not ghosts, but it is against my morals to both assume something is real without proof and assume something is false without proof.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

how do u prove religion? a point is we can not confirm OR deny that ghosts exsist yes we can put somethings off to logic but others we can not hope to fathom that we just grasp at straws for logical explination like the electro magnativity that useally accompines these experiances

There is a star that is 15 billion light-years away. That means it took the light 15 billion years to reach our planet. The bible says the universe was created 6,500 years ago. Christianity disproven? Speaking of the topic of religion, the reason I have such a strong believe against ghost is the fact that I don't believe in an after-life. Once you're dead your stuck rotting in the ground for the rest of eternity. I don't think their can be ghosts without religion and I find religion illogical. Thus the belief in ghosts is illogical. There's my reasoning, problem?

[insanity]

I won't call it a ghost but I do believe there are things that science can't yet explain. I feel like energies actually exist, but ghosts, I can't really say. I'd like to believe that they don't exist. I won't say they don't. But I think the idea that dead things can come back and be sentient is stupid.

Energy, however, is a very real thing. I think some paranormal things are true to an extent. I believe in "feelings" and senses to a certain degree. I can't really specify that any further without assuming something that is contested.

So I guess what I'm saying, not ghosts, but it is against my morals to both assume something is real without proof and assume something is false without proof.
This. Rith, your amazing at explaining things.

I spose you cant really discuss the existance of ghosts unless you have a clear definition of what it one is. When some people say ghost they reffer to some random thing out of a horror movie which is very unlikely to actually exist, where some people refer to spirits or forms of energy as 'ghosts'.

I don't think their can be ghosts without religion
why not? Im not religious...

[cdude22]

there are thing science cant explain around

[Peace God]

"Science is not perfect. It’s often misused; it’s only a tool, but it’s the best tool we have. Self-correcting, ever-changing, applicable to everything; with this tool, we vanquish the impossible." - Carl fucking Sagan

Basically, I think science will continue to fill in the blanks of our understanding (its done a pretty good job so far) and I think that's a much better assumption then filling the unknown with irrational superstition. And for the record science has some damn good explanations as to why we think we see ghosts.

[Spook]

There is a star that is 15 billion light-years away. That means it took the light 15 billion years to reach our planet.

How did we get from ghosts to stars? Hmmph...

I feel like energies actually exist.
Energy is a very real thing.

@Syvelocin- What do you mean?

Human consciousness in itself is not energy at all. It's the case that neurotransmitters and neuro pathways in the brain overall create the feeling we call consciousness; life - reality, being human. While those neurological functions need energy (via very small electrical impulses generated by chemical processes), once they get it (like this, if you're wondering) and it's used up, it's just transferred like any other PHYSICAL energy is. Hence, it fuels the processes that act on the dead human body. Our body's decomposition in itself needs energy; it needs to give energy to the microbes to do that job. The same way if our body is burned, the chemicals in our body burn giving energy to the reaction and in the end heat to the fire. Hope that clears up any wishy washy pseudo science you may have heard

[Syvelocin]

What do you mean?

I don't know how to specify much further. :P Like, energy. Uh... Energy. Fields, currents. I watch this show occasionally called Ghost Hunters and they use energy meters to detect electromagnetic fields. High concentrations are known to have adverse affects on the mind, it can make you feel paranoid, nauseous, even cause you to hallucinate. I guess what I mean is that there are things that are not the imprint of a person that can have affects on this plane. Energy can manipulate, and while I think some select few paranormal encounters are real, they have an explanation that is not a ghost but a very real thing science hasn't/is attempting still to explain.

I just don't believe the world has predefined rules. If this is possible and this isn't, how did it become so in the first place? Sorry, I think a lot. :P

[PerpetualImperfexion]

why not? Im not religious...

You are very good at only quoting part of a post. I explained in the other post that the after-life is dependent on religion, because with out it once you die you are nothing more than a rotting corpse. Most scientists agree on this fact.

[Spook]

I don't know how to specify much further. :P Like, energy. Uh... Energy. Fields, currents. I watch this show occasionally called Ghost Hunters and they use energy meters to detect electromagnetic fields. High concentrations are known to have adverse affects on the mind, it can make you feel paranoid, nauseous, even cause you to hallucinate. I guess what I mean is that there are things that are not the imprint of a person that can have affects on this plane. Energy can manipulate, and while I think some select few paranormal encounters are real, they have an explanation that is not a ghost but a very real thing science hasn't/is attempting still to explain.

I just don't believe the world has predefined rules. If this is possible and this isn't, how did it become so in the first place? Sorry, I think a lot. :P

I understand in a way and at the same time I don't. Are you talking about these "energy fields" as just being loose energy in the atmosphere, or something like energy from a soul..?

[Syvelocin]

I understand in a way and at the same time I don't. Are you talking about these "energy fields" as just being loose energy in the atmosphere, or something like energy from a soul..?

Ooh no. I don't believe in the soul stuff. I mean actual energy around us.