AK-47 or AR-15

[Professional Russian]

This is a debate to se which one you think is better.

I think the AR is better because: modular comparability
Better sight options
used by the best military in the world
battle proven
big Tactical advantage

[Scarface]

Well well well, its like another M16-4-203 vs ak-47 except now the m16-4 are now obsolete.

Of course I'm gonna have to go with the AR simply for weight, accuracy and less recoil.

The AK-47 is good for some downright destruction and fun, but if you're looking to get serious and hit what you're aiming at and keep your shoulder blade intact, and also if desired, customization is better equipped on the AR because of the weight distribution. Looking at an AK-47's shape looks awfully wonky and on the range could prove to be anything but a usefull in hitting what you want.

[Professional Russian]

Well well well, its like another M16-4-203 vs ak-47 except now the m16-4 are now obsolete.

Of course I'm gonna have to go with the AR simply for weight, accuracy and less recoil.

The AK-47 is good for some downright destruction and fun, but if you're looking to get serious and hit what you're aiming at and keep your shoulder blade intact, and also if desired, customization is better equipped on the AR because of the weight distribution. Looking at an AK-47's shape looks awfully wonky and on the range could prove to be anything but a usefull in hitting what you want.

Even Scarface used the AR well actually he used an Armalite AR but we get the point of what im saying

[Genghis Khan]

I would suggest the kind of gun that shoots ruptured spleen and st pancreas

[Professional Russian]

I would suggest the kind of gun that shoots ruptured spleen and st pancreas

So your saying which ever one kicks zombies ass faster and better

[Genghis Khan]

So your saying which ever one kicks zombies ass faster and better

not really i mean my friend had this gun that shot flowers so i was quite flattered and i watched the flower bounce off my boner after it hit my face... i'm just saying we need that more nowadays

[Professional Russian]

not really i mean my friend had this gun that shot flowers so i was quite flattered and i watched the flower bounce off my boner after it hit my face... i'm just saying we need that more nowadays
Yep cause flowers kill zombies everyday

[DejaVu]

The AK47 owns the AR15 any day. Just search for videos on YouTube and the AK almost always win. It has better penetration and is far more accurate than the AR15. Not to mention that the AR15 falls apart the moment you stop maintaining it. The fact that the Russians have been using the AK for almost a century now whereas the US has switched assault rifles hundreds of times in that period should give you a hint.

[Professional Russian]

The AK47 owns the AR15 any day. Just search for videos on YouTube and the AK almost always win. It has better penetration and is far more accurate than the AR15. Not to mention that the AR15 falls apart the moment you stop maintaining it. The fact that the Russians have been using the AK for almost a century now whereas the US has switched assault rifles hundreds of times in that period should give you a hint.

The AK-47 has horrible accuracy. it have a bigger round but that doesnt matter. mostly all that matters as long as you can round on target its dead. And yes the AR is in my opinion the best.+ the AK in full auto is way to much recoil to stay on target, The US changed rifles twice since 1900 we swithched the the M1 then to The AR

[huginnmuninn]

AK is more reliable it doesnt matter if AR has more accuracy if it doesnt work when you need it. and the difference in accuracy isnt significant enough to matter anyway

[Professional Russian]

AK is more reliable it doesnt matter if AR has more accuracy if it doesnt work when you need it. and the difference in accuracy isnt significant enough to matter anyway

If you cant hit what your shooting you are worthless to your squad or platoon. And the AR can be converted to a bigger Caliber to kill more. It can be changes to .308, .338 Lapua, and .50 Beowulf

[DejaVu]

The AK-47 has horrible accuracy. it have a bigger round but that doesnt matter. mostly all that matters as long as you can round on target its dead. And yes the AR is in my opinion the best.+ the AK in full auto is way to much recoil to stay on target, The US changed rifles twice since 1900 we swithched the the M1 then to The AR

Yeah, plus the 200 M1 variants. And now you're using the M4...

The AK47 has far better accuracy, if you go to any site that compares the two guns you'll see. Plus, the AK doesn't get jammed, while the AR15 can fuck up pretty bad.

[Professional Russian]

Yeah, plus the 200 M1 variants. And now you're using the M4...

The AK47 has far better accuracy, if you go to any site that compares the two guns you'll see. Plus, the AK doesn't get jammed, while the AR15 can fuck up pretty bad.

The AK does not have better accuracy. in fact the AK has a lack of accuracy because of how cheaply and easily it is made and the M4 is a variant of the AR

[BassSwagg]

Like already stated AK for destruction and just fucking shit up, but i like my shoulder blade where it is, so AR would be my personal choice, for aiming and accuracy and the better recoil. :)

[Professional Russian]

Thank you finally someone who understands.

[BassSwagg]

It's what I do :) + It's really just common sence :)

[Professional Russian]

now tell me which is more accurate

[BassSwagg]

The AR15 over the AK47 but SIG 516 over both of them as far as accuracy goes.

[Professional Russian]

The AR15 over the AK47 but SIG 516 over both of them as far as accuracy goes.

That sig is an AR. But yes the AR is more accuate and can be bigger than the AK

[BassSwagg]

That sig is an AR. But yes the AR is more accuate and can be bigger than the AK

Yeah but the AK is more durable

( sorry I cant spell or use probber gramar.)

[Professional Russian]

well yeah we know that. but i still prevfer the AR

[BassSwagg]

I do aswell, as far as assault rifles they're a fine choice.

[DejaVu]

The AK does not have better accuracy. in fact the AK has a lack of accuracy because of how cheaply and easily it is made and the M4 is a variant of the AR

If you check any site you'll see the AK is more accurate. And that's what I mean, ten hundred variations.

[Professional Russian]

The AK-47 is not more accurate ask any gunsmith and they will tell you most of the AKs in the world are not more accurate than the AR. You can snipe with an AR not An AK ive done. 600 yd.s you tell me which ones more accurate.

[DejaVu]

The AK-47 is not more accurate ask any gunsmith and they will tell you most of the AKs in the world are not more accurate than the AR. You can snipe with an AR not An AK ive done. 600 yd.s you tell me which ones more accurate.

Well all I've read (and heard) about it suggests that the AK is more accurate. the AR is too light for the caliber it fires anyway.

[BassSwagg]

Well all I've read (and heard) about it suggests that the AK is more accurate. the AR is too light for the caliber it fires anyway.

That is Semi true, the caliber is a little much for the weight of the AR

[Professional Russian]

then you play way to much call of duty. because ive shot them i own them both the AR is more accurate at 100 yd. than an AK

[DejaVu]

then you play way to much call of duty. because ive shot them i own them both the AR is more accurate at 100 yd. than an AK

I'm just stating the facts, you can check on any website.

[Professional Russian]

An AK is not more accurate than an AR. either youve been playing too much call of duty or your mistakeing the two guns. Because i know for a FACT that an AR is more acurate than an AK. I shoot them own them and snipe with them. I have literally blown shit up at 200 yards with an AR but with the AK it took about 10 shots at 50 yards to hit the target and make it blow up.

[BassSwagg]

Now, now boys. Chill, it's an opinion and everyone is entitled to there own opinion :)

[Professional Russian]

But its a proven fact an AR is more accurate than an AK

[BassSwagg]

Well if its a fact let it go and dont mind what this other guys saying. same for him.

[Texas warrior]

I would have to say I would go with the AK, the pro is right it's as accurate as shit, but the trade of is it wouldn't jam, it can but it won't. And the exit wound is brutal. But if I was sniping I would use the AR15, but for on the ground action Ak47 all the way.

[Scarface]

Yeah, plus the 200 M1 variants. And now you're using the M4...

The AK47 has far better accuracy, if you go to any site that compares the two guns you'll see. Plus, the AK doesn't get jammed, while the AR15 can fuck up pretty bad.
That banana clip ain't that great, 7.62 you're right is better than 5.56, but theyre making a lot of modifications to that and I think there's an upgrade to it now.It ain't any accurate unless you shoot it single fire or you shoot bursts. AR's have the past jamming, the m-16 was a perfect candidate for that, but the m-4 corrected a lot of those issues. so that is invalid.
The AK47 owns the AR15 any day. Just search for videos on YouTube and the AK almost always win. It has better penetration and is far more accurate than the AR15. Not to mention that the AR15 falls apart the moment you stop maintaining it. The fact that the Russians have been using the AK for almost a century now whereas the US has switched assault rifles hundreds of times in that period should give you a hint.
and what do you mean by maintaining it? Well it ain't Laura Croft, you're not gonna just drop it and run that gun to the dirt, you have to keep with it and depending on how high of a use, it may need more *frequent* maintenance. Nontheless it shouldn't be held against it. They use it because it's a gun made by them originally :P The Kalashnikov and then there's a Chinese version. There have been slight modifications to the ak-47 such as the ak-74, although smaller has repeat issues, but a better model in the end. Just because that maybe their opinion and maybe your spectation of an ak-47 statistics say otherwise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47_vs_M-16)

[shadowhunter320]

i have a colt Ar-15, i love it!
i also agree its better because, well, your reasons. lol:-)

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Depends, AK-47 is obsolete as well as the original AR-15, but if you mean the best/newest/favorite gun that evolved from the two it would have to be the AK for the reliability. If we're talking the original of both, I prefer the AR-15 even if the reliability is pretty shitty if you're in areas with a lot of debris.

[DejaVu]

An AK is not more accurate than an AR. either youve been playing too much call of duty or your mistakeing the two guns. Because i know for a FACT that an AR is more acurate than an AK. I shoot them own them and snipe with them. I have literally blown shit up at 200 yards with an AR but with the AK it took about 10 shots at 50 yards to hit the target and make it blow up.

Then you must have a cheap Romanian version.

That banana clip ain't that great, 7.62 you're right is better than 5.56, but theyre making a lot of modifications to that and I think there's an upgrade to it now.It ain't any accurate unless you shoot it single fire or you shoot bursts. AR's have the past jamming, the m-16 was a perfect candidate for that, but the m-4 corrected a lot of those issues. so that is invalid.

The "banana" clip is awesome. That's the thing, US weapons keep getting changed and updated radically every X years, but the design of the AK essentially stays the same. The M4 can still jam if they'res dirt inside; an AK will fire if you will it with sand.

and what do you mean by maintaining it? Well it ain't Laura Croft, you're not gonna just drop it and run that gun to the dirt, you have to keep with it and depending on how high of a use, it may need more *frequent* maintenance. Nontheless it shouldn't be held against it. They use it because it's a gun made by them originally :P The Kalashnikov and then there's a Chinese version. There have been slight modifications to the ak-47 such as the ak-74, although smaller has repeat issues, but a better model in the end. Just because that maybe their opinion and maybe your spectation of an ak-47 statistics say otherwise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47_vs_M-16)

I mean exactly that, in war you HAVE to sometimes drop it and run that gun to the dirt, and you just can't afford to take out your cleaning rod and clean the gun while you're under heavy fire. It SHOULD be held against it, one simply cannot afford their gun to jam in critical situations. I've looked at the Wikipedia entry before, and I rest my case. Furthermore, I would like to add that the AK's bullets' tips squash themselves upon contact, which leaves the bullet inside: this causes far more damage than if a bullet simply shoots through you and exits the body.

[Skeptical Bear]

The AR-15 looks really cool but I'd have to go with the AK since I'm more familiar with it.

[Scarface]

Then you must have a cheap Romanian version.



The "banana" clip is awesome. That's the thing, US weapons keep getting changed and updated radically every X years, but the design of the AK essentially stays the same. The M4 can still jam if they'res dirt inside; an AK will fire if you will it with sand.



I mean exactly that, in war you HAVE to sometimes drop it and run that gun to the dirt, and you just can't afford to take out your cleaning rod and clean the gun while you're under heavy fire. It SHOULD be held against it, one simply cannot afford their gun to jam in critical situations. I've looked at the Wikipedia entry before, and I rest my case. Furthermore, I would like to add that the AK's bullets' tips squash themselves upon contact, which leaves the bullet inside: this causes far more damage than if a bullet simply shoots through you and exits the body.

You could say that about the AR-10's rounds they're more similar than the AR-15 and packs a bigger punch, but the only reason the AR-15 is out is because it's the lighter version of the AR-10.

You want agility in the battle man, this ain't call of fuckin duty man, when you got yourself an AR-15 you got yourself 6 pound gun, hell even if you added customization to the gun, unless it was a massive piece of equipment, its going to be a helluva lot easier to carry around and move through the terrain when you're light weight, the AR-15 is corrosive resistant, so you do have to look out for it, but it gets the job done, with the basics. Nothing clunky.

I stand by my previous statement about the M-4, it fixed a lot of faults that the M-16 had and not anyone can deny that lol. The adaptable rounds are a easy touch if you're in a jam and out of ammo, or a different kind. Easily adaptable.

Though I think the only issue with this model is that it heats up, not as quick as it used to, but when it gets hot it gets hot, though this model is made out of the same metal as planes are, and a better material used, instead of the plastic-like feel with the m-16.

Listen buddy, I see where you're getting at with the AK, but there's a reason United States and maybe Canadian military use this rifle, for its capability, accuracy, durability and its adaptability make it a economic choice.

[DejaVu]

And they'res a reason the AK is used in Russia, Eastern Europe, Africa, South America and most of Asia :P The AK isn't clunky at all, you'll find that everything fits perfectly and there are no wobbles. Like I said, the AK will fire no matter what; in some situations you can't afford it not to. Furthermore, the AK is like 10x cheaper to make than the AR-15, so I wouldn't talk about economic choices :P

[Scarface]

And they'res a reason the AK is used in Russia, Eastern Europe, Africa, South America and most of Asia
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2928847/71964_Vanderbilt_Arkansas_Basketball.jpg
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The AK isn't clunky at all
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0d/AK-74_RPK-74_DA-ST-89-06612reversed.jpg/220px-AK-74_RPK-74_DA-ST-89-06612reversed.jpg

Like I said, the AK will fire no matter what; in some situations you can't afford it not to. Furthermore, the AK is like 10x cheaper to make than the AR-15, so I wouldn't talk about economic choices :P

The AK 47 on fully automatic is a liability and uses up a lot more bullets. It's 10 lbs as to the AR-15 at a low 6 lbs. The sights on the AK 47 were shitty and inaccurate and were given to poorly trained troops to increase 'accuracy' :rolleyes: Also depends on what country made the ak in the first place as well.

[DejaVu]

image (http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2928847/71964_Vanderbilt_Arkansas_Basketball.jpg)
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image (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0d/AK-74_RPK-74_DA-ST-89-06612reversed.jpg/220px-AK-74_RPK-74_DA-ST-89-06612reversed.jpg)

The first one is an AK74, and the second an RPK. Still, none look clunky.



The AK 47 on fully automatic is a liability and uses up a lot more bullets. It's 10 lbs as to the AR-15 at a low 6 lbs. The sights on the AK 47 were shitty and inaccurate and were given to poorly trained troops to increase 'accuracy' :rolleyes: Also depends on what country made the ak in the first place as well.

Funnily enough, the AR15 has a higher rate of fire and thus uses more bullets. Your argument = invalid. Also, the sights suck.

Also, for the guy rambling on about the AR15 being more accurate:

AK: Accuracy: 3–5 inches @100 yards
AR-15 Accuracy: 1–3 inches @100 yards

[Scarface]

The first one is an AK74, and the second an RPK. Still, none look clunky.





Funnily enough, the AR15 has a higher rate of fire and thus uses more bullets. Your argument = invalid. Also, the sights suck.

Also, for the guy rambling on about the AR15 being more accurate:

AK: Accuracy: 3–5 inches @100 yards
AR-15 Accuracy: 1–3 inches @100 yards

Spray and pray tactic? lol thats retarded and obsolete. Your argument invalid.

Nice copy pasta from wiki here's one for you lol Effective range AK47-350 m (380 yd) 460 m (500 yd)-M-16

[DejaVu]

Yeah I'm just quoting Wikipedia because "Proffesional Russian" quoted it to "prove" that the AR-15 is more accurate. Never said anything about a "spray and pray" tactic. Your argument is invalid because you said that the AK wasted more bullets on automatic, which is not true, as it has a lower rate of fire.

[Scarface]

Yeah I'm just quoting Wikipedia because "Proffesional Russian" quoted it to "prove" that the AR-15 is more accurate. Never said anything about a "spray and pray" tactic. Your argument is invalid because you said that the AK wasted more bullets on automatic, which is not true, as it has a lower rate of fire.

fx-MG-MqdhE K6xtRdonmDw hey buddy? lets let reality speak for us lol. And My effective range statistic was stll better than the AK and you're looking at the M-16 in 1959 so the statistics you're using are old so youre argument is invalid, my friend.

[DejaVu]

Well, they're American documentaries, they would say that. I've also watched tens of other documentaries (some American) that prove the AK to be better.The AR15 is the civilian version of the M16, its worse if anything. Of course I'm looking at the M16 in 1959, because I'm also looking at the AK47 in 1947.

[Scarface]

Well, they're American documentaries, they would say that. I've also watched tens of other documentaries (some American) that prove the AK to be better.The AR15 is the civilian version of the M16, its worse if anything. Of course I'm looking at the M16 in 1959, because I'm also looking at the AK47 in 1947.

There's been differentiated models of the ak that have been "revised" since that time bro. So what if they're American Documentary's? It doesn't make it any less valid. If you watched both of them, you would see the pros and cons of both and then put to the test. and that wiki documentary isn't that accurate either btw.

[DejaVu]

Yeah that's what I'm saying. If you compared a modern-day AK (AK103) against a modern day AR-15, the AK would still win. It's obvious that if they're American documentaries, they're going to learn towards US weapons. Also, the weapons are not being used in war-like scenarios.

[Scarface]

They make small comparisons, you obviously didn't watch both of them, you obviously didn't watch the entire videos. They concentrated on the guns, both of them, they weren't bias, like I said in my last post, but you must have a problem with reading, They did a pros and cons list and then they put them both to the test. It doesn't matter where the video is from, don't bias your information, that's like me invalidating wikipedia because it can be edited. Regardless, My argument stands.

[DejaVu]

Well that's just like, your opinion man :) No, I didn't watch them since my Internet connection's shit, but it's obvious they haven't tested them in warlike conditions. Have you read about the M16's problems in Vietnam?

[Scarface]

Well that's just like, your opinion man :) No, I didn't watch them since my Internet connection's shit, but it's obvious they haven't tested them in warlike conditions. Have you read about the M16's problems in Vietnam?

dude you need to watch the videos, they covered everything. I'm well aware of the issues, that terrain and approach from the Vietnamese was nil, the environment wasn't easy on the m-16, that was it's main flaw in that stage, but you should watch the videos and understand them, before trying to argue :P its part of making a valid debate :P

[DejaVu]

The approach from the Vietnamese was nil? Lol. Guess you only get taught about your side in the US :P Trust me, I've watched tens of similar vids in the past.

[Scarface]

again you must have problems reading lol. "that terrain and approach from the Vietnamese was nil, the environment wasn't easy on the m-16"

Means the US buddy. Also don't criticize the US. all countries bias their information at some point, but those movies were not bias :P Which you fail to realize/read/see

[DejaVu]

I'll criticize the US all I like :P Well it sounded like you were talking about the Vietnamese "lack of approach", the way you phrased it at all. Again I rest my case; I've watched loads of similar videos.

[Professional Russian]

Well that's just like, your opinion man :) No, I didn't watch them since my Internet connection's shit, but it's obvious they haven't tested them in warlike conditions. Have you read about the M16's problems in Vietnam?

The approach from the Vietnamese was nil? Lol. Guess you only get taught about your side in the US :P Trust me, I've watched tens of similar vids in the past.

again you must have problems reading lol. "that terrain and approach from the Vietnamese was nil, the environment wasn't easy on the m-16"

Means the US buddy. Also don't criticize the US. all countries bias their information at some point, but those movies were not bias :P Which you fail to realize/read/see


The M-16 Didn't work well in Vietnam because the government changed powders. So instead of Ball like powder that didnt build up (like the M-16 was tested with) They used more of a bar looking grain which didnt burn completely which left carbon behind that jammed the M-16

[Scarface]

I'll criticize the US all I like :P Well it sounded like you were talking about the Vietnamese "lack of approach", the way you phrased it at all. Again I rest my case; I've watched loads of similar videos.
but you are wrong

[DejaVu]

but you are wrong

Says Mr Military Expert? :P

[Scarface]

If you want to continue argue, PM me, do not let this get personal because this is a good thread and I don't want to have to lock it

[Professional Russian]

you two can argue all you want. as long as its on topic. because i am lughing my ass off watching. I am taking scarfaces side though

[DejaVu]

You shouldn't be taking it personally, I've nothing against you, it's just you seem to be the only one (well and Professional Russian) in the thread, and I don't share your views.

[Professional Russian]

Even other countries think THE AR-15 is the best rifle made

[DejaVu]

Even other countries think THE AR-15 is the best rifle made

What, allies of the US?

[Professional Russian]

exactly

[DejaVu]

I thought so :P Countries friendly to Russia use the AK.

[fitzman16]

I've shot an AR-15 it's fucking amazing!!!!

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of course the guy who names himself "proffesional Russian" is goin on about sniping, blowing stuff up, what gun is best. let me tell you somthing. They both pale in comparison to the f88 austyre.

[Professional Russian]

of course the guy who names himself "proffesional Russian" is goin on about sniping, blowing stuff up, what gun is best. let me tell you somthing. They both pale in comparison to the f88 austyre.

You have realized that is just a Steyr AUG right? and i enjoy shooting stuff. This thread is about the AR and AK jothing else.

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The only "AR15" I actually love is the H&K M416 and that's brand new in the world of guns. My favorite AK model is probably the AN-94, but it requires a good marksman to make full use of it's potential. 74K5M07Tir0 I only posted this because both of your arguments are pretty weak. Obviously one has facts and the other doesn't, but the AK47 was made to be able to give to someone who has never before fired a gun. M16 isn't even the original AR15 so why do both of you compare those shit?

[Professional Russian]

The only "AR15" I actually love is the H&K M416 and that's brand new in the world of guns. My favorite AK model is probably the AN-94, but it requires a good marksman to make full use of it's potential. 74K5M07Tir0 I only posted this because both of your arguments are pretty weak. Obviously one has facts and the other doesn't, but the AK47 was made to be able to give to someone who has never before fired a gun. M16 isn't even the original AR15 so why do both of you compare those shit?

Yeah the original AR was the AR-10. I do believe it was a .308 but im not exactly sure?

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Yeah the original AR was the AR-10. I do believe it was a .308 but im not exactly sure?

Well I'm referring to the title of the thread. I thought it was a 7.62? Same thing the famous 'G3' uses.

[Professional Russian]

Well I'm referring to the title of the thread. I thought it was a 7.62? Same thing the famous 'G3' uses.

7.62 is .308. .308 is just the civilian name for it.

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7.62 is .308. .308 is just the civilian name for it.

No, that's the comercial version of the NATO bullet. It's not at all the same bullet.

[Amaryllis]

So your saying which ever one kicks zombies ass faster and better
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[Professional Russian]

bXYHgF29acw

HAHAHAHAHA Thats funny but off topic but funny.

[MisterSix]

This debate is one of the most boring out there. So many bias views and made up facts.

The way I see it, would you rather clean your gun of have a rest

[Professional Russian]

This debate is one of the most boring out there. So many bias views and made up facts.

The way I see it, would you rather clean your gun of have a rest

clean

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If none of you knew, the AN-94 is extremely hard to make compared to other guns so it's not something you would give to a regular infantry, but instead to a skilled soldier and a experienced one. However they stopped making it, so even though it's way better than M-16's and such it's not practical on a large scale or even a semi large scale. Also

[DejaVu]

The only "AR15" I actually love is the H&K M416 and that's brand new in the world of guns. My favorite AK model is probably the AN-94, but it requires a good marksman to make full use of it's potential. 74K5M07Tir0 I only posted this because both of your arguments are pretty weak. Obviously one has facts and the other doesn't, but the AK47 was made to be able to give to someone who has never before fired a gun. M16 isn't even the original AR15 so why do both of you compare those shit?

The AN isn't an AK, they're similar though.

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The AN isn't an AK, they're similar though.

If I'm not mistaken is it not based on the AK?

[DejaVu]

If I'm not mistaken is it not based on the AK?

Yeah, it's similar in some aspects. But, like you said, only a few people use it. The very few advantages it has over the latest AK version isn't worth the price and time needed to make one.

[Professional Russian]

it is based off of the AK but its totally different in most way

[dead]

Yeah, it's similar in some aspects. But, like you said, only a few people use it. The very few advantages it has over the latest AK version isn't worth the price and time needed to make one.

Are you kidding me? Have you seen the accuracy of this, specially on the move? It's possibly the best assault rifle for spec ops.

[Professional Russian]

This is not to argue over something thats not relevant to the topic so get on topic.

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This is not to argue over something thats not relevant to the topic so get on topic.

This is true, anyways I suppose the AK-74M is okay, it's something that excels in rugged environments, specially since it's been made to be more mobile. For obvious reasons.

[DejaVu]

Are you kidding me? Have you seen the accuracy of this, specially on the move? It's possibly the best assault rifle for spec ops.

I insist, it's not that different. The Russian Special Forces use the AK in their ops as well.

[ikhasgkfjh]

It's all about that AR-15!

[Professional Russian]

It's all about that AR-15!

reasons as too why

[ikhasgkfjh]

It accurate and allows rapid, well-aimed fire. Its light and versatile too.

[dead]

I insist, it's not that different. The Russian Special Forces use the AK in their ops as well.
First off it doesn't matter what you 'insist' because physics regardless of what you think tell you a lot about how guns work and how well they work, at which the AN-94 is more quiet, has less muzzle flash, follow up shots are incredibly accurate due the anti-recoil system it has, if you don't even understand that the barrel moves back for accommodation of the recoil then you shouldn't even argue. It also is one of the most accurate assault rifles when fired on the move.
It accurate and allows rapid, well-aimed fire. Its light and versatile too.
You should also give what you hate and or like about it and your favorite/preferred models, also say what you like and dislike about AK's.

[double r]

Both of them are good but better accuracy AR better durability AK. They both have a hell of a punch.

[Professional Russian]

Here I Fixxed the Problem. Take the gas system from the AK and put it in The AR. Much Like This:H&K 416. (http://www.hk-usa.com/military_products/hk416_general.asp) It takes the Gas system from the AK and puts it in the AR with out loss of accuracy or anything else. Problem solved

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Here I Fixxed the Problem. Take the gas system from the AK and put it in The AR. Much Like This:H&K 416. (http://www.hk-usa.com/military_products/hk416_general.asp) It takes the Gas system from the AK and puts it in the AR with out loss of accuracy or anything else. Problem solved

Like I said that's the best thing that there is in this argument, all in all, this takes the best of both worlds and puts into one gun and is made by the famous H&K. It also sports the M320 which was originally made for the G36 series of guns.

[Professional Russian]

Or the Red Jacket KMP-MkII Monolithic piston drive AR. (http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=44&category_id=8&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=6) And here are the specs The KMP-MkII Monolithic piston driven AR is our newest addition to the Red Jacket line up! The Milled Mono-lithic quad railed, mid-length upper captures and extends past the gas block, nothing like it is available on the market! The upper and lower is machined from a full 7075 billet, rounded out with a 1:7 Twist rate Chrome lined Heavy barrel (MOA or better guaranteed), with your choice of barrel length (NFA LAWS apply). We found the Mega Machine modified Adams Arms Piston kit is the best available and is utilized in our entire piston AR builds! One Magpul P-mag included, Magpul UBR as standard, optional Magpul CTR. Suppressor ready with our RJF suppressor flash hider and 3 way adjustable gas system including a full cut off for the ultimate in stealth. As always the KMP is fully lifetime warranted! MBUS included.

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Or the Red Jacket KMP-MkII Monolithic piston drive AR. (http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=44&category_id=8&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=6) And here are the specs
Yeah uh, I don't like that sorry. Also the cost is way too high for what it is.

[Professional Russian]

Yeah uh, I don't like that sorry. Also the cost is way too high for what it is.

I want to try to build my own. Ill take the gas system from the AK and put it in the AR than ill just redirect the way the AK reloads and make it like an AR.

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I want to try to build my own. Ill take the gas system from the AK and put it in the AR than ill just redirect the way the AK reloads and make it like an AR.

You could easily make a slide trigger as well (I may be wrong on what it's called).

[double r]

Don't my Great Grand Fathers AK 47 from 1969 is so complicated but yet simple look at official Russian blueprints and if you need help translating give me an huller

[Professional Russian]

I do know a few guys that are registered gunsmiths. Where can i fingd the blue prints for the AK? I have an exploded view but thats it.

[double r]

OK go to the Library of Congress, Smithsonian, Russia or any where in eastern Europe, find an specialist( not your average one or the local one gunsmiths ), go to a military base, or........

Go Online and Look It Up !

[Sporadica]

This is my opinion, in Canada I can purchase an AR-15, semi auto civilian version, AK-47, not at all, even a civilian semi auto mod, yet I can buy an SKS no problem (asides form legislation)

In Canada when the RCMP decided what guns were prohibited (not illegal but hard to get) at first it was the "black and scary looking rifles were illegal" and the "nice clean country wooded guns are A-OK"

But if I had acsess to both I would personally replace any plastic or cheap metal parts with either steel or high grade alluminium and put on more tactical stuff (laser, flashlight, scope, shotgun/nade launcher attachment) also I've tried both guns and I personally prefer the AR iron sights, but hey thats just my taste so go rent some guns and try them out, try out more than those if you're actually thinking about buying one.

[Professional Russian]

This is my opinion, in Canada I can purchase an AR-15, semi auto civilian version, AK-47, not at all, even a civilian semi auto mod, yet I can buy an SKS no problem (asides form legislation)

In Canada when the RCMP decided what guns were prohibited (not illegal but hard to get) at first it was the "black and scary looking rifles were illegal" and the "nice clean country wooded guns are A-OK"

But if I had acsess to both I would personally replace any plastic or cheap metal parts with either steel or high grade alluminium and put on more tactical stuff (laser, flashlight, scope, shotgun/nade launcher attachment) also I've tried both guns and I personally prefer the AR iron sights, but hey thats just my taste so go rent some guns and try them out, try out more than those if you're actually thinking about buying one.

Yeah have fun trying to get a M203. I tried and failed. The ATF wouldnt let even though i have a Class 3 FFL which states that i can buy just about any weapon i want. they said no. P.S. Where would you get the 40mm grenades?

I have realized you are in canada so U.S. laws dont applie. Its easier to get a gun here than there dman.

[Amaryllis]

I shot an AK-47, bloody awesome. Horrible sound, though (Then again I hate the sound of bullets, makes your body shake, ears ring and head pound.) The recoil's fun. But it was hard to aim straight. Then again the target was like bloody 1000m away or something. And you know, me and my aim... It's lots of fun to gun/spray but not particularly... Continuous.

Unfortunately I've never shot an AR-15 but Carbines are pretty great. Love the kick. Guns knocking back against your shoulder just feels good. M-16's nicer to aim with, though.

Sorry about rambling on about other guns. Don't really know much about guns, anyway, just really like to fire them. Still hate the sound, it's like freakin' bombs going off. Not saying I wanna join the military and shoot real people. And definitely not encouraging gunning down your rivals but it's fun (the recoil. I'm just in it for the recoil.)

[Professional Russian]

I shot an AK-47, bloody awesome. Horrible sound, though (Then again I hate the sound of bullets, makes your body shake, ears ring and head pound.) The recoil's fun. But it was hard to aim straight. Then again the target was like bloody 1000m away or something. And you know, me and my aim... It's lots of fun to gun/spray but not particularly... Continuous.

Unfortunately I've never shot an AR-15 but Carbines are pretty great. Love the kick. Guns knocking back against your shoulder just feels good. M-16's nicer to aim with, though.

Sorry about rambling on about other guns. Don't really know much about guns, anyway, just really like to fire them. Still hate the sound, it's like freakin' bombs going off. Not saying I wanna join the military and shoot real people. And definitely not encouraging gunning down your rivals but it's fun (the recoil. I'm just in it for the recoil.)

The M-16 is an AR-15. I got a gun that will knock you on ass. actually 2. my 7mm and my 10 gauge mag,.

[zuhvi113an]

Id have to go wit the ak because of better penetration reliability simplicity ease of use and maintanence also its relatively cheap and easy to find

[Professional Russian]

Id have to go wit the ak because of better penetration reliability simplicity ease of use and maintanence also its relatively cheap and easy to find

Did you literally just say the maintenance on an AK is easy? You've got to be kidding me right? To completely Strip an AK it takes me about an hour. im not talking aobut field stripping im talking completeing off noting togeter its all in pieces. I aint easy. The AR is easier to strip