were does art end and porn begin?

[Texas warrior]

the name says it all.

[ImCoolBeans]

This certainly does not belong in Teen Sexuality.

:arrow: ROTW

[northskater110]

When 13 year olds use it to masturbate to.

[Genghis Khan]

Porn = art.

http://www.myfacewhen.com/images/9.jpg

[Mortal Coil]

The policy I came up with in primary school is that it's only art if
a) it's a drawing/ painting etc.
or b) if it's a photo, but leaves something to the imagination.

[AppealToReason]

I thought porn was art.
<.<

[Abigballofdust]

Porn is an art. The fact some porn may be less artistic than other doesn't take off the fact it's still art. Last Friday night is less artistic than Stairway to heaven which is pess artistic than the Moonlight Sonata yet all 3 are art.
Some people say art must have no purpouse besides stunning. Yet, many paintings are sold and still remain art...

[KidImage]

Google?

[BFG9001]

Porn >/ Art

[dead]

Porn = art.

image (http://www.myfacewhen.com/images/9.jpg)

This says it all.

[Texas warrior]

but what about rape porn, surely thats not art. Hentai on the other hand is a wonderful mix of art and porn.

[Korashk]

but what about rape porn, surely that not art.
Why not? Ever seen Irreversible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irréversible)?

Hentai on the other hand is a wonderful mix of art and porn.
What people are trying to get at is that porn is art. There's no mixing.

[Texas warrior]

I have seen porn that was not art. Now I think that most porn is art but not all of it.

[Sugaree]

Art becomes porn at penetration, no matter how "artsy" it is put out to be.

[Cicero]

I believe art will never die. Many people are into art, including me. But I believe porn will never die either. In a way, some people consider some art porn. Because of some arts nudity, but I believe its just an extension of art.

[Can'tHelpIt]

Hentai on the other hand is a wonderful mix of art and porn.

Hentai is amazing!

OP: I agree with everyone else porn is art, very visual art if you ask me

[BFG9001]

Everything that can give reactions can be considered art. Orgasms are a reaction. Porn helps cause orgasms. Therefore Porn = Art.

[kenoloor]

Everything that can give reactions can be considered art. Orgasms are a reaction. Porn helps cause orgasms. Therefore Porn = Art.

Punching someone in the face gets a reaction. Does that make it a work of art?

[Mortal Coil]

Punching someone in the face gets a reaction. Does that make it a work of art?

I love you for saying that.

[Efflorescence]

Punching someone in the face gets a reaction. Does that make it a work of art?

Of course. Especially if I'm the one giving the punch and you're the one receiving it :).

[Genghis Khan]

Punching someone in the face gets a reaction. Does that make it a work of art?

Of course. Especially if I'm the one giving the punch and you're the one receiving it :).

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp9z0hIDjP1qhnxnd.gif

[Sugaree]

Of course. Especially if I'm the one giving the punch and you're the one receiving it :).

H-h-here I go guys, I'm going to t-t-troll!

[User Deleted]

When it becomes poor a quality image for high quantity output.

[dead]

It's porn when it's used for sexual viewing pleasure.

Everything is used for sexual pleasure, I'll use a picture of some being eaten alive for sexual pleasure does that mean what was not sexual at all is not art because of me using it for sexual pleasure?

[Jupiter]

when "art" starts getting a blowjob. or eaten out. but, hey, thats my opinion.

[Genghis Khan]

Ya'll have a pretty conservative view on art.

[Efflorescence]

H-h-here I go guys, I'm going to t-t-troll!

Oh come on loosen up a bit. Flower power man. Peace:P

Ok, now my opinion on porn is that it's art even if it involves blowjobs and if it causes sexual pleasure. That's basically it.

[dead]

What I mean is generic sexual pleasure: When people start doing sexual acts it's porn.

What do you define as a sexual act? What makes something not a sexual act?

[Angel Androgynous]

Never. That's like saying where does art end and music begin. It doesn't make fucking sense.

[deadpie]

when "art" starts getting a blowjob. or eaten out. but, hey, thats my opinion.

WRONG!
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blow_Job_(film))
Ya'll have a pretty conservative view on art.

Probably because they don't know shit about art or haven't taken any college level art classes where you literally stare at naked people IN YOUR FUCKING CLASS and are told how to draw the persons penis in a detailed fashion.

What I mean is generic sexual pleasure: When people start doing sexual acts it's porn.

Erotic art is art. DEAL WITH IT!

You know who Katsushika Hokusai was? One of the most important and famous Japanese artists who did the painting "The Great Wave off Kanagawa". He also made many paintings of strictly a mans penis fucking the living shit out of a vagina. His erotic stuff is on the same level of artistic and beautiful as that painting.

There's art from Pompeii time resembling very hardcore sex.

You'll learn later when learning about art that ANYTHING is art. The designs on your clothes, the customization of your own cell phone, architecture, every little fucking thing on the planet is art. Even the planet itself is art when you learn about nature art.

Punching someone in the face gets a reaction. Does that make it a work of art?

Performance art can be quite shocking at times, even involving before harming themselves. It's not sane, may not be good art, but it's art no matter what. That's the rules. There are no rules to art. Everything is art. End of/

Nudity and sexual intercourse has existed in art before the thought of porn was ever created. If you don't believe that then you're just simply fucking stupid and know nothing about what you're talking about.

[Clawhammer]

When its basic purpose is to arouse the viewer sexually, and not to bring forth deeper emotions or meaning.

[DarkHorses]

Porn is not art. It's demeaning to women and it treats them as if they are sex objects. Art portrays the female body as something beautiful, not something just to have sex with. There's no beauty in porn.

[Genghis Khan]

Porn is not art. It's demeaning to women and it treats them as if they are sex objects. Art portrays the female body as something beautiful, not something just to have sex with. There's no beauty in porn.

I wouldn't masturbate to the female body being fucked if I didn't find it beautiful.

[DarkHorses]

I wouldn't masturbate to the female body being fucked if I didn't find it beautiful.

Yeah, but there's a difference between viewing it as something that's beautiful and turns you on and something that is beautiful and to be admired. So I guess my answer is that it's all in perception. I don't believe porn is art, but I guess to some people it is. I don't think anyone decides what is and isn't art. Art is something that is meaningful and speaks to you, and if porn does that for people then to each their own, not gonna judge.

[Amaryllis]

The purpose for which it was made, the circumstances of the making, the audience to which it targets and the length of time it may last is what differentiates porn from art.

EDIT: Okay, I just read over the comments. If you're going to talk about -art- in such a broad, wide sense, then the way I shower is art. Generally when we speak of art, it is either fine art, visual art, studio art, dance art, bio art, actual art or the like. Art in the general sense is a creation of something using skill and imagination. Some art is porn but not all porn is art.

There are many forms of art and the result of an art-porn debate using that definition of art would be a given. So for the sake of the average, public eye, art will be the things you'd find in textbooks. If it is original, skilful or creative, then perhaps it will pass as art whatever the depiction. But if it's like someone fucking every other day and you just shot a picture like yeah yeah fuck harder, that's unoriginal, unemotional and uncreative.

In art, you admire the work of the artist, not -just- how sexy the man/woman is (though that is perfectly fine.)

http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2012/02/vitruvian-man-leonardo-da-vinci.jpg

He is, technically, in the nude. But unlike pornography where you flip from one to another and jack off to it, art may last for centuries, appealing to more than a single, horny audience for a limited period of time.

If an image feels like it's porn, well, it probably is. If it feels like a product of creativity and a source of artistic beauty, then it probably is.

Personally, I have, of course, created nude art. It's like a basic requirement for anyone who's ever studied art at a mid-higher level - but the purpose of which I create my artworks is not so I can gawk at my model and give him a blow job. No. It's a study of human anatomy, a depiction of something raw and primitive or the "perfect" man or woman. The -purpose- of which the artwork was created and by who makes a big, big difference.

Artists should never, ever, never, appear sexually excited by their models while they are on the job. It is highly inappropriate. Art models are not pornstars (perhaps they are part time but during the period in which he/she works with an artist, s/he is not a sex toy.)

Something that requires no skill, no thought, no effort (on the part of the artist) - is not art.

You do not go to art school to watch people fuck and take photographs of them fucking while rubbing your own dick.

[dead]

Porn is not art. It's demeaning to women and it treats them as if they are sex objects. Art portrays the female body as something beautiful, not something just to have sex with. There's no beauty in porn.

I never knew porn always had women in it! Thanks for the information!

[deadpie]

When its basic purpose is to arouse the viewer sexually, and not to bring forth deeper emotions or meaning.

All because you're showing sex doesn't mean it's meant to arouse. Art should make you think and if all you see is dick and cunt, then you're probably missing the picture.

Porn is not art. It's demeaning to women and it treats them as if they are sex objects. Art portrays the female body as something beautiful, not something just to have sex with. There's no beauty in porn.

Women that go into porn aren't being forced. They aren't being treated like shit or any of that; they're doing what they want. Art doesn't have to portray a woman as beautiful; art can portray a woman AS ANYTHING. IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. Art isn't always beautiful. Sometimes it can be the complete opposite; full of feces and blood.

I don't think anyone decides what is and isn't art. Art is something that is meaningful and speaks to you, and if porn does that for people then to each their own, not gonna judge.

Well you just did, so that makes you a full on hypocrite. Art doesn't have to have a certain amount of meaning and it doesn't have to speak for a certain amount of people OR EVERYONE. Sometimes the artist makes the art JUST FOR HIMSELF/HERSELF. There's so many different reasons people make what they make, do what they do, who their target audience is, et al. And in fact, you said "not going to judge", but in your heart I bet you do.

THINGS ARE MORE COMPLICATED THAN YOU THINK. Think abstract.

[Amaryllis]

I kind of agree with deadpie on that one. Art isn't necessarily beautiful. And art does not necessarily or need to portray the female body as "beautiful" - that's a very Art Academy way of thinking which the impressionists, surrealists, symbolists (Like gustav klimt who painted women with pubic hair, completely absurd and horrific at the time) and other contemporary artists have already challenged.

I think the biggest difference between art and porn or anything else for that matter is the purpose for which the thing was made. If it's meant to be art, it is.

Anyhow, art is subjective to some extent. In our fluctuating world, putting a finger on art and laying guidelines is like trying to put a dog leash on an elephant, it isn't really possible or practical.

Art being meaningful is overrated. Because much of art is not meaningful. What may be meaningful to you may not be for me. I suppose much can be considered art but there is quite an obvious difference between poor art and well-made art.

Then again, if you draw something shitty, just make it worse and call it abstract.

[Abnormal]

When sexual intercourse begins.

[Genghis Khan]

When sexual intercourse begins.

Why?

[kenoloor]

When sexual intercourse begins.

> implying that sexual intercourse can't be seen as beautiful

[DragonAngel]

Porn = art.

image (http://www.myfacewhen.com/images/9.jpg)

I clicked the like button

[Electra Heart]

Well, I'd say if I'm walking through a Monet gallery and I see a bukkake snapshot, it's a bit out of place...

[deadpie]

Well, I'd say if I'm walking through a Monet gallery and I see a bukkake snapshot, it's a bit out of place...

That's because he was more interested in haystacks then he was in tits. Many impressionists were into drawing lots of open nudity, especially Renoir.

[Efflorescence]

> implying that sexual intercourse can't be seen as beautiful

Just as others have said, even if one thinks it's not beautiful , it is still a form of art. The word 'art' in itself doesn't imply that something is beautiful or the opposite. Art is a skill that can be used to produce an aesthetic result that one can then share with others. Now the result can either be viewed as aesthetically pleasing or unpleasing according to the individual. But in both cases, still art.

Art and porn are not mutually exclusive. This is why the question is asked in a wrong way. It doesn't have to be either one or the other.

[Texas warrior]

I am good at two kinds of art, sword fighting, and making chainmail, the finished pieces of chainmail are only art in the whacky scenes that everything is art, but the making of the chainmail is art, the same in sword fighting. most people would see a sword fight and think it was barbaric, but it isn't. It has passion and skill, and that is what art is the passionet practice of a skill. lets say we have a picture of a naked girl. it is purely art if it was made carefully and passionetly and for no purpose but its self . it is purely porn if it was made for the money. it is erotic art, or artful porn, if it was both. and thats how I think there are mixes of the two.

[WickedWeekend]

I'd say it becomes porn when genitalia is being touched by another person, or the person's own hand is touching it. Now there are many exceptions, though. However, most people should have the common sense not to slap a penis on it and call it art. Anything erotic is pornography in my book.

[dead]

I'd say it becomes porn when genitalia is being touched by another person, or the person's own hand is touching it. Now there are many exceptions, though. However, most people should have the common sense not to slap a penis on it and call it art. Anything erotic is pornography in my book.

Why is that?

[Genghis Khan]

However, most people should have the common sense not to slap a penis on it and call it art. Anything erotic is pornography in my book.

How did you suddenly get this privilege to decide what is erotic and what isn't?

[Jupiter]

I'd say it becomes porn when genitalia is being touched by another person, or the person's own hand is touching it. Now there are many exceptions, though. However, most people should have the common sense not to slap a penis on it and call it art. Anything erotic is pornography in my book.

what the hell, have you even read the other part of this thread.. ya know called the replies...?

[Archimedes]

erotics is art but the porn isn't.

[kenoloor]

erotics is art but the porn isn't.

Care to explain the difference?

[WickedWeekend]

Why is that?

Being a Christian, I may have stuck to this too quickly. Maybe.

Oh, it allows you to fap.

[dead]

Being a Christian, I may have stuck to this too quickly. Maybe.

Oh, it allows you to fap.

Some people are attracted to balloons does that mean since they fap to balloons that balloons are porn?

[WickedWeekend]

Some people are attracted to balloons does that mean since they fap to balloons that balloons are porn?

I should have implied that normal people fap to porn, not balloons. Also, that is a god-awful run-on.

[dead]

I should have implied that normal people fap to porn, not balloons. Also, that is a god-awful run-on.

So gay porn isn't porn?

[WickedWeekend]

So gay porn isn't porn?

I don't understand.

[Angel Androgynous]

I don't understand.

Using your logic, porn is what normal people masturbate to. Most people masturbate to straight porn, therefore, gay porn isn't porn. :yeah:

[dead]

I don't understand.

Being gay isn't normal.

[BradyW97]

I becomes porn when the dick meets the vagina. Haha

[dead]

I becomes porn when the dick meets the vagina. Haha

I hope you read the rest of this thread.

[kenoloor]

I becomes porn when the dick meets the vagina. Haha

You're shitting me, right? Are we going to have to repeat the previous three pages of this thread for you? Be a darling and go read it, won't you? Thanks hunny bunch.

[Turtle007]

when elegancy turns into horniness
more focus an the sexual act than on the body etc

[WickedWeekend]

Being gay isn't normal.

Gays make up a good chunk of the world, but balloons of course aren't within reason fappable. Gay porn is, normally or not. A very small percent of the population would fap to things like balloons, but many fap to bestiality, or hentai for example.

[dead]

Gays make up a good chunk of the world, but balloons of course aren't within reason fappable. Gay porn is, normally or not. A very small percent of the population would fap to things like balloons, but many fap to bestiality, or hentai for example.

Not true at all, there's a giant base for things like Balloons and other things, don't be so naive.

[WickedWeekend]

Not true at all, there's a giant base for things like Balloons and other things, don't be so naive.

But you don't think of them sexually, at least not most people.

[kenoloor]

But you don't think of them sexually, at least not most people.

So it only depends on what the majority of people think? The majority of people are not homosexual. OH HEY WE'RE BACK THERE.

[WickedWeekend]

So it only depends on what the majority of people think? The majority of people are not homosexual. OH HEY WE'RE BACK THERE.

What I'm saying is that it isn't logical to think about balloons or most inanimate objects in a sexual way. I'm not discriminating against homosexuals.

[kenoloor]

What I'm saying is that it isn't logical to think about balloons or most inanimate objects in a sexual way. I'm not discriminating against homosexuals.

What's illogical is discounting the things that others may think of sexually.

[WickedWeekend]

What's illogical is discounting the things that others may think of sexually.

I'm not trying to, but you wouldn't usually count objects as porn. Not even vibrators, unless they are touching a vagina, or something like that.

[kenoloor]

I'm not trying to, but you wouldn't usually count objects as porn. Not even vibrators, unless they are touching a vagina, or something like that.

I think that this thread has descended into the dark depths of the off-topic land.

[dead]

I'm not trying to, but you wouldn't usually count objects as porn. Not even vibrators, unless they are touching a vagina, or something like that.

Not even feet? That's more common than Homosexuality.

[WickedWeekend]

Not even feet? That's more common than Homosexuality.

Feet are a body part, and can move on their own. Thus, are fappable.

[dead]

Feet are a body part, and can move on their own. Thus, are fappable.

Oh so the nose is obviously erotic art right? A photo of a nose is porn!

[Genghis Khan]

Feet are a body part, and can move on their own. Thus, are fappable.

I think my pillow is more fappable than smelly fucking feet.

[Archimedes]

Care to explain the difference?

In erotics the love between people and beauty of a human body is shown, and porn is like "you've got a pussy, i have a dick, so what's the problem, lets do quick"

[Straight]

Art becomes porn at penetration, no matter how "artsy" it is put out to be.

I wouldn't say that. There are loads of ancient artifacts with people penetrating other people... As weird as it may seem :P

[Sporadica]

this is purely opinion. Porn can be art, and that's that

[Bluearmy]

Porn can be art, but it isn't always art. If you think Porn = Art, you're wrong.
I'm sorry, but their is nothing artistic about some of the stuff out there.
Unless of course, you want to just apply the term "art" to everything - as I'm sure some do. Understand that you really ruin the integrity of the word when you try to make it everything.

[Texas warrior]

isn't that what I have been saying this whole time?

[dead]

isn't that what I have been saying this whole time?
Yes and no. Some were saying it couldn't be both.
Solution: It's art AND porn. Everybody happy, now? :P
I'm not happy.
Porn can be art, but it isn't always art. If you think Porn = Art, you're wrong.
I'm sorry, but their is nothing artistic about some of the stuff out there.
Unless of course, you want to just apply the term "art" to everything - as I'm sure some do. Understand that you really ruin the integrity of the word when you try to make it everything.

How is that ruining the integrity of the word? Obviously you would disagree with most art professors. It's not just the 'term', you sound like someone who says the music genre noise is not music at all. It's incredibly absurd.

[Texas warrior]

I think that this thread needs a bump, I made it like three months ago......

[randomnessqueen]

its all in the intention. if someone is trying to express herself artistically, then it doesnt matter how explicit it turns out, you cant tell her what isnt art. anything can be art.