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Spook
February 15th, 2012, 04:25 PM
I'm gonna try to make this as short as possible, but I have alot of stuff I wanna cover. :D

First of all, you must know that I am talking from GA, so some of these points may only be significant in the state of Georgia. Anyways, the United States Juvenile Court System was originally passed as an Act during 1899 in Illinois. 1906 was the year the 1st court was established. It was created a a way to give the right to intervene in the criminal lives of minors in a way different than adults. So- to clarify, a juvenile in Georgia is a child under the age of 17 years old. A 'Delinquent Act' is an act that would be considered a crime if performed by an adult. So- that being said, a juvenile commiting an adult crime, or a Delinquent act would undergo something called the Juvenile Code. Now, I am leading up to Juvenile Rights. It is stated that Juveniles in the United States have the same rights as adults. However, they do not receive trial by jury, their fate is decided by a judge. They do have right to an attorney and right to confront, question, present a defense, introduce edvidense, and testify. This is all true based on court standards. However, I believe there is a violation to the statement of equal rights in the world outside the courthouse, most prominently. Let's take this back a little. African Americans fought for years for the same rights adult white men in the US had. Shortly after African Americans gained rights, women were inspired as well. Gay people and Bisexuals have also recently been fighting for marriage rights, and have won in California. Now, if the Constitution states that all men are created equal, no discrimination to any gender, color, etc.- then why don't we have rights? And why does the law tell us that we do? Let me give some examples. In Georgia and most other states, children Under 18 or even 21 must:

1. Attend School until 16 yrs of age
2. Not run away from home.
3. Not possess alchoholic beverages or tobacco until age 21 and 18 respectively.
4. Not hang around public places or wander streets after curfew (midnight in most states).
5. Not enter bars where alchoholic beverages are served, unless accompanied by parents.
6. Obey all reasonable commands of parents.

None of these laws have to be obeyed by people over 21 years of age- is that really equal rights for minors? No. We DO NOT get the same rights as adults. We DO NOT get to vote underage, or get a job under 15 years of age, or order on the telephone under 18 years of age, or join a certain website under 13 to 18 years of age. What equal rights are we recieving. Now I know some laws are concerning our safety, but there is up to a point when these things become obsessive, and unhealthy. While an adult would have their word taken for spousal abuse or attack, a child would need to have their house investigated for much longer than a regular person, deep measures taken. We get treated like we're stupid; but I think we realize alot more than those adults do.

Now, the first paragraph might not seem relevant, but I wanted to provide some background information on the system of juvenile court in the US..to have a foundation to build on. Anyways, tell me what you think about juvenile rights, and measures of law adults take against us that you think are necessary/unnecessary.

~Caitlin

Amnesiac
February 15th, 2012, 11:49 PM
It's widely accepted by every developed country on Earth that there's a certain age under which an individual is not legally capable of being fully responsible for their actions; it's usually placed around 18 years old. It's reasonable for minors to be stripped of some legal rights and privileges – really, it shouldn't come as a shock to anybody – but I strongly disagree with the way many governments, particularly the United States, treat the issue of youth rights.

Society's power to restrict the individual rights of minors should only be wielded when absolutely necessary. I think it's just terrible how minors, specifically teenagers like us, continue to have our most basic Constitutional rights – especially freedom of speech – eroded at the hands of evil school administrators and egotistical social conservatives. We should most certainly have the right to dress and speak as we please at school. There shouldn't be punishment for being "disrespectful," nor should there be for not having "school spirit". Schools should only be able to exercise power within their own boundaries, and they shouldn't be able to harass students at home. (http://www.splc.org/wordpress/?p=3199) The Pledge of Allegiance should be removed from classrooms. I could go on all day, but you get my point.

American society is flawed in its ignorance of minors, casting us off as reckless and irresponsible. I agree with your point about delinquency, however, I can't say I expect or necessarily demand that minors gain the full rights of adults. However, the restrictions on minors that society has created need to be scaled back to an appropriate level.

Rage of the Menace
February 16th, 2012, 12:31 AM
I dislike school, yet i have to go to it. I personally think the australian high school syllabus is pathetic and very shallow.

BUT, i have to go, and that helps me get my head in the right place. The alcohol one is sort of common sense, and the curfew one we should have introduced in australia. Teens over here go apeshit.

kenoloor
February 16th, 2012, 12:59 AM
It's widely accepted by every developed country on Earth that there's a certain age under which an individual is not legally capable of being fully responsible for their actions; it's usually placed around 18 years old. It's reasonable for minors to be stripped of some legal rights and privileges – really, it shouldn't come as a shock to anybody – but I strongly disagree with the way many governments, particularly the United States, treat the issue of youth rights.

Society's power to restrict the individual rights of minors should only be wielded when absolutely necessary. I think it's just terrible how minors, specifically teenagers like us, continue to have our most basic Constitutional rights – especially freedom of speech – eroded at the hands of evil school administrators and egotistical social conservatives. We should most certainly have the right to dress and speak as we please at school. There shouldn't be punishment for being "disrespectful," nor should there be for not having "school spirit". Schools should only be able to exercise power within their own boundaries, and they shouldn't be able to harass students at home. (http://www.splc.org/wordpress/?p=3199) The Pledge of Allegiance should be removed from classrooms. I could go on all day, but you get my point.

American society is flawed in its ignorance of minors, casting us off as reckless and irresponsible. I agree with your point about delinquency, however, I can't say I expect or necessarily demand that minors gain the full rights of adults. However, the restrictions on minors that society has created need to be scaled back to an appropriate level.

Fucking this. Also, the government is kind of giving a big 'fuck you' to parents. The fact that these laws exist is a testament to the government's untrusting (I know it's not a word, fuck off) of parents. Are there going to be shitty parents? Of course. Is it the government's job to be our parents? Hell no.

Mortal Coil
February 16th, 2012, 03:11 AM
I totally agree with you. Especially the curfew thing: in parts of Ohio it can be as early as 6PM. Ridiculous? Yep.
But there's really nothing we can do except either a) move to a country where we DO have rights, or b) wait until we're 21 and those laws don't apply to us anymore. And since we're not allowed to run away from home, I guess we're stuck with option 2 :(