Should gay rights activists get louder.

[Gaybaby94]

With 7 states that legalized same sex marriage and an 8th is on the way, should the gay activists become louder since ignorant and homophobic opponents to same sex marriage are starting to fight back.

[Peace God]

Definitely. I don't think it's much of a secret here that the LGBT community still has a lot of progress to be made.

[Amnesiac]

With 7 states that legalized same sex marriage and an 8th is on the way, should the gay activists become louder since ignorant and homophobic opponents to same sex marriage are starting to fight back.

That's an blatantly loaded question, but anyway – yes, they should. I mean, obviously, loudness matters when you're changing society. I don't really see the point of this question, everybody knows that the LBGT movement isn't even a fifth of the way to achieving its goals and that it needs to get louder.

[ImCoolBeans]

Definitely. I don't think it's much of a secret here that the LGBT community still has a lot of progress to be made.

That's an blatantly loaded question, but anyway – yes, they should. I mean, obviously, loudness matters when you're changing society. I don't really see the point of this question, everybody knows that the LBGT movement isn't even a fifth of the way to achieving its goals and that it needs to get louder.

My thoughts exactly. There is still so much to be done, so why would they(we) not keep on advocating? Changing society and trying to make something accepted and legal is a pretty big to-do, so I don't see it getting quieter anytime soon.

[Mortal Coil]

Yes! We need to be so loud we make the fucking ground shake.
The bigots are fighting back, and if we don't get louder the fight for equal rights might go under completely.

[Fourth Dimension]

Yes! We need to be so loud we make the fucking ground shake.
The bigots are fighting back, and if we don't get louder the fight for equal rights might go under completely.

This exactly

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[huginnmuninn]

sure as long as there is no violence. and as long as gay rights activists dont mind the anti-gay rights people getting angry and protesting against gay rights. everybody should have the right to say what they believe.

[Sugaree]

As long as they're civilized and respectable, I have no problem with it. However, if they go around glitterbombing and being outright assholes, then they have nothing to say when people complain about them.

[Peace God]

What's with this "as long as" crap? Sure there's gonna be idiot activists, that doesn't make LGBTs any less deserving of their rights.

[Peace God]

we don't advocate violent/physical protests
But why do people even feel the need to point that out?

[ImCoolBeans]

But why do people even feel the need to point that out?

Yeah isn't that kind of implied?

[canadaski]

Everyone seems to think that the United States is the only problem. What about the third world countries that execute gays and people that participate in gay activities or imprison people for speaking out about gay rights?

We need to spark change all over the world.

[Peace God]

The word "louder" wasn't the best word for the OP to use as it suggests violence, rough play etc... I know that's not it's direct definition but that's how I see it.I see "louder" as more effective, organized and powerful. I don't even see why violence is much of a concern for you guys.

[Sugaree]

I see "louder" as more effective, organized and powerful. I don't even see why violence is much of a concern for you guys.

Violence isn't a concern, it's more of the dumbasses giving the rest of LGBT people a bad name. Though the word "louder" does mean more effective and powerful, there's too many people out there that are going to take it as a call to arms of sorts.

[Jess]

Everyone seems to think that the United States is the only problem. What about the third world countries that execute gays and people that participate in gay activities or imprison people for speaking out about gay rights?

We need to spark change all over the world.

this

here gays just don't have basic rights like marriage, but in other countries, they are executed and imprisoned and tortured just for being who they are

I think they should get "louder"

[Genghis Khan]

Everyone seems to think that the United States is the only problem. What about the third world countries that execute gays and people that participate in gay activities or imprison people for speaking out about gay rights?

We need to spark change all over the world.

That's all great and dandy but some countries are so backward in their beliefs that they don't even accept that homosexuality exists. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, parts of Africa and some Arab nations are great examples. Often you will find groups of people in these countries that not only think that this concept is a sin, but that it's also a myth and doesn't exist, it's just some Western idea.

I personally think that this change needs to happen in steps. Before there is a universal message on gay rights I think America needs to completely sort it out. So does the UK for that matter, for some reason gay marriage remains illegal here. This will be a slow process but I think it's imperative that it's fully taken care of in the West before it begins to expand itself to other nations. Homosexuals all over the Middle East and Asia should feel like they have full support of certain nations like the US, the UK, Europe and the likes. It just seems like the process of raising awareness and making a case will become easier then, than if the Western world was only half sure about gay rights. At least that's just what I personally feel.

[Peace God]

there's too many people out there that are going to take it as a call to arms of sorts.
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Yarr, I be shiverin' in me boots.

[Sugaree]

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Yarr, I be shiverin' in me boots.

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[kenoloor]

I think that, while the "marriage fight" is certainly one that needs to be fought, it doesn't need to be fought right now. We need to focus on our generation: the suicides, bullying, prejudice, etc. Sure, marriage is something that all people are entitiled to, however virtually nobody's life is in danger because they can't get married. There are kids who are committing suicide because they can't accept themselves; aren't accepted among their friends, family, environments; are being bullied, etc. That is a much, much larger issue because people's lives are at stake.

Gay people hate me for this, but I think marriage needs to take a back burner right now. We need to focus on getting GSAs/QSAs into school, instating anti-bullying and anti-discrimination policies and laws in schools and workplaces and working with schools' administrations in being more open and affirming of their GSM population.

Should GSM rights (or rather, human rights) activists get louder? Yes.
Are we fighting the wrong fight right now? Yes.

[Amaryllis]

Protests work. But only for a short while. You hold up a clever sign, it'll make the LGBT supporters laugh. But do smart ass signs claiming god is real work on atheists? Not particularly. Some, perhaps.

Power will do what power does. People have heard the LGBT community thousands of times. Repeating the same message may not necessarily give you what you want rather than just annoy the opposite party.

Fuck, maybe not in the US but there are millions of people who believe child abuse in the hands of the guardian should be kept quiet and tolerated. It is in human nature to unite and stand with the "us" and it is human nature to protect your territory from seemingly "them"s.

Quality is sometimes better than quantity. The human brain is not geared towards numbers. They do not care if 3 billion people are gay/bi/trans. Use a different approach. Get -through- them. Not against. There is no need to move people who are already on your side.

Or just do it the Che Guevera way.