Do you think Public Schools should teach about Evolution and Intellegent Design?

[Cicero]

I believe that public schools just teaching Evolution is wrong. They should teach about Evolution andIntellegent Design. Because its taking away the rights of the American citizens. Because teachers and staff for American public schools can get into very big trouble for teaching Intellegent Design.

[ImCoolBeans]

But thats not scientific in any way shape or form. Science class, should teach things that are backed by factual theories. There is not exactly a credible source for creationism.

[Ender]

They should introduce it as a theory, but not try to teach it as fact.

[Jess]

But thats not scientific in any way shape or form. Science class, should teach things that are backed by factual theories. There is not exactly a credible source for creationism.

this.

if schools are to teach about Intelligent design, it should be optional

I would not want to be forced to learn something I don't believe is true.

[Cicero]

I believe they should teach both. Both are theories that have not been proven.

[Jess]

um...isn't there a form of evolution that HAS been proven? macro evolution or something? or is it micro?

edit: micro evolution is a fact: http://www.exchangedlife.com/Creation/macro-evol.shtml

[Genghis Khan]

Intelligent design isn't in any way scientific. So, I don't particularly see why it should be taught. I guess there's no harm in mentioning it but making it a part of a curriculum and giving it equal weight to evolution is just stupid.

um...isn't there a form of evolution that HAS been proven? macro evolution or something? or is it micro?

Micoevolution has actually been observed, it's evolution on a much smaller scale as compared to the evolution of us (hominidae). Just like that study on lizards in Australia or something. I'm not sure how accurate it is but from what I remember they were removed from one island and put on another and in a few months time those with changed physical characteristics survived and lived on, at the end of it they were significantly different to the original lizard.

[Jess]

Intelligent design isn't in any way scientific. So, I don't particularly see why it should be taught. I guess there's no harm in mentioning it but making it a part of a curriculum and giving it equal weight to evolution is just stupid.

+100000

maybe in world affairs or culture classes, it can be mentioned or whatever but only as part of a lesson...


Even if the theory of evolution hasn't been fully proven, there are credible sources and facts to back it up. Not a book which consists of a collection of short stories.

+10000000000000

[ImCoolBeans]

Even if the theory of evolution hasn't been fully proven, there are credible sources and facts to back it up. Not a book which consists of a collection of short stories.

[anonymous53]

And...I accidentally misread this, so take away from "Yes" and put one in "No"

As far as I remember, my school required us to get a permission slip signed by our parents to learn about evolution. If the students want to learn about intelligent design there are churches :)

[Cicero]

Even if the theory of evolution hasn't been fully proven, there are credible sources and facts to back it up. Not a book which consists of a collection of short stories.

All those stories have been proven. Like when King Herod sent out the decree to kill all newborns, and it's fact that Jesus Christ was born. Whether you believe he was the son of God or not, it's proven that he was born.

[Jess]

And...I accidentally misread this, so take away from "Yes" and put one in "No"

As far as I remember, my school required us to get a permission slip signed by our parents to learn about evolution. If the students want to learn about intelligent design there are churches :)

exactly

All those stories have been proven. Like when King Herod sent out the decree to kill all newborns, and it's fact that Jesus Christ was born. Whether you believe he was the son of God or not, it's proven that he was born.

doesn't prove the existence of a higher being

[Genghis Khan]

Whether you believe he was the son of God or not, it's proven that he was born.

How does that add to the credibility of intelligent design?

[ImCoolBeans]

All those stories have been proven. Like when King Herod sent out the decree to kill all newborns, and it's fact that Jesus Christ was born. Whether you believe he was the son of God or not, it's proven that he was born.

Jesus Christ was born on Christmas, I was born on January Third, my Mom's birthday is July 8th. We have birth certificates that confirm our birth too, but that does not prove any existence of any sort of higher being.

And really, so Jesus being resurrected after being crucified has now been proven? News to me, bro.

[trooneh]

Jesus Christ was born on Christmas, I was born on January Third, my Mom's birthday is July 8th. We have birth certificates that confirm our birth too, but that does not prove any existence of any sort of higher being.

And really, so Jesus being resurrected after being crucified has now been proven? News to me, bro.

Actually, evidence suggests Jesus was not in fact born on December 25th, but instead was given that birthday as a way of trying to draw pagans in. December 25th was a pagan holiday long before it became Christmas.

On the thread topic, intelligent design is a theory that has no scientific backing, and thus shouldn't be taught in science class.

[Cicero]

Jesus Christ was born on Christmas, I was born on January Third, my Mom's birthday is July 8th. We have birth certificates that confirm our birth too, but that does not prove any existence of any sort of higher being.

And really, so Jesus being resurrected after being crucified has now been proven? News to me, bro.

http://www.creatingfutures.net/resurrection.html

http://toptenproofs.com/article_resurrection.php

http://www.westarkchurchofchrist.org/library/extrabiblical.htm

If evolution is real, how come monkeys aren't becoming men and women today?

posts merged. do not double post, use the edit button instead. -embers

[ImCoolBeans]

If evolution is real, how come monkeys aren't becoming men and women today?

Because we have a common ancestor and the species went their separate ways depending on geographical location. The monkeys that are around today did not morph into humans a long time ago and then stop. There was in fact a species of monkey that both are rooted from. Simple evolution.

[Angel Androgynous]

If evolution is real, how come monkeys aren't becoming men and women today?

Checkmate, Atheists! :cool:

[embers]

If evolution is real, how come monkeys aren't becoming men and women today?

1. Monkeys never evolved into humans in the first place, that's a common misconception about evolution and it's completely wrong.
2. Evolution takes place over hundreds if not thousands of years. Things don't just 'change' instantly.

[Genghis Khan]

If evolution is real, how come monkeys aren't becoming men and women today?

I don't know man I guess monkeys just love themselves so much they don't want to change.

[Cicero]

1. Monkeys never evolved into humans in the first place, that's a common misconception about evolution and it's completely wrong.
2. Evolution takes place over hundreds if not thousands of years. Things don't just 'change' instantly.

So monkies live thousands of years?

[Genghis Khan]

So monkies live thousands of years?

lol.

[Gaybaby94]

If I wanted to learn creationism, I could have just gone to church. But I think it is way too flawed to be taught. The theory of evolution is about logic and reason and it should be taught.

[RoseyCadaver]

So monkies live thousands of years?
Lol those are trees, sweetie.

[ImCoolBeans]

So monkies live thousands of years?

You clearly read that wrong.
Evolution is something that takes multiple generations. Not a single organism living thousands of years...

[trooneh]

I don't know man I guess monkeys just love themselves so much they don't want to change.

They see how humans can fail so much and realize it isn't worth it to evolve into us.

[Cicero]

You clearly read that wrong.
Evolution is something that takes multiple generations. Not a single organism living thousands of years...

So why thousands of generations ago aren't evolving now? It should be a continuous cycle.

[trooneh]

So why thousands of generations ago aren't evolving now? It should be a continuous cycle.

If you look at humans today versus humans in the era of neanderthals, there are most definitely many changes in our physical structure.

[Angel Androgynous]

So why thousands of generations ago aren't evolving now? It should be a continuous cycle.

What do you mean we aren't evolving? Each new year of sixth graders, they are getting shorter and shorter and oranger and oranger. It's like we are turning into oompa loompas, man.

[Eclipsical]

Evolution is fact. teach it.

[Genghis Khan]

So why thousands of generations ago aren't evolving now? It should be a continuous cycle.

Sure we are. But since it's macroevolution we're talking about and it's on a much larger scale than the example I previously gave, it's not something you can see happen over the course of a short period of time.

[Gaybaby94]

Evolution is fact. teach it.

This. Evolution > Some sky being that snapped their fingers and said "So be it". Evolution is just much more logical and reasonable that the last one.

[ImCoolBeans]

So why thousands of generations ago aren't evolving now? It should be a continuous cycle.

If you have ever payed attention for about eleven seconds in school you would realize that humans are constantly evolving. Primitive humans are NOTHING like humans today. In the past thousand years or so we have lost use for the tonsils, tail bone, and appendix. The pinky toe is going of style pretty quickly too. And to be even more specific, in the past 100 years or so the average height of humans has drastically gone up.

[Amnesiac]

I believe they should teach both. Both are theories that have not been proven.

This is where you're wrong. "A scientific theory is a set of principles that explain and predict phenomena." The theory of evolution explains the actual process of evolution. It's not "unproven," evolution is actually an observable process. It is a fact that evolution of the species occurs.

Evolutionary theory is the basis for all of biological science. Intelligent design belongs in religion classes, because it is not a substantiated scientific theory. It's just bullshit. If schools were to start teaching both alongside each other in the same class, all credibility would be thrown out the window.

[Cicero]

If you have ever payed attention for about eleven seconds in school you would realize that humans are constantly evolving. Primitive humans are NOTHING like humans today. In the past thousand years or so we have lost use for the tonsils, tail bone, and appendix. The pinky toe is going of style pretty quickly too. And to be even more specific, in the past 100 years or so the average height of humans has drastically gone up.

If the theory of evolution was true, then we should see an "evolutionary tree" in the fossil record, with complex life developing very slowly from earlier, less complex forms. Instead, what we do see in the fossil record is the very sudden appearance of fully-formed and fully-functional complex life.
*If the theory of evolution was true, we should have discovered millions upon millions of transitional fossils by now. So why havent we?

[Genghis Khan]

*If the theory of evolution was true, we should have discovered millions upon millions of transitional fossils by now. So why havent we?

We have.

[Cicero]

We have.

Show me evidence

[ImCoolBeans]

*If the theory of evolution was true, we should have discovered millions upon millions of transitional fossils by now. So why havent we?

Dude, you're really going into this not being able to back yourself up. You can't support your argument if you're not able to provide factual statements. Look up some hominid skeletal structures.

[kenoloor]

Show me evidence

You could try attending a science class.

[ImCoolBeans]

Show me evidence

If you want anything more than this you can look it up yourself, but Lucy is the most well known hominid. (http://www.anthro4n6.net/lucy/)

[SosbanFach]

Personally, I believe that the theory of evolution should be taught (clearly presented as a theory) in geography and science classes, while in, for example, religious education, students could be taught that religion X believes that the world was formed Y. Evolution is a scientific theory, with seemingly perfectly valid evidence backing it up. Creationism is a religious belief, somewhat lacking in supporting scientific evidence.

In conclusion, while I don't feel that it is necessary to teach one or the other exclusively, they clearly each must be presented in different ways, so as not to confuse scientifically supported theories with religious beliefs.

[Cicero]

Different races have different bone structures, it could've been a different race.

[TheMatrix]

All those stories have been proven. Like when King Herod sent out the decree to kill all newborns, and it's fact that Jesus Christ was born. Whether you believe he was the son of God or not, it's proven that he was born.
Mmkay, the Greek gods and godesses exist because the myths state that this dude called Corion or something ate babies too, and so Zeus was born.

In short:
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln0pedfLgp1qbxqhgo1_500.png

[Peace God]

I think this thread is proof that we need to focus on teaching evolution.

[ImCoolBeans]

Different races have different bone structures, it could've been a different race.

For real? I might go smack my face into a wall. SO since someone is black, they're a different species than I am? You're argument here is completely invalid.

I think this thread is proof that we need to focus on teaching evolution.

You, sir. Are 100% right.

[embers]

Different races have different bone structures, it could've been a different race.

yeah man it's so obvious it's just another race not species, just look:

http://anthropologynet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/neanderthal_skull_vs_homo_sapiens_skull.jpg

I agree with AJ on this one. Such a fundamental process isn't being taught enough and as a result we get users like you who try and denounce it without knowing a single thing about it.

[Cicero]

yeah man it's so obvious it's just another race not species, just look:

image (http://anthropologynet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/neanderthal_skull_vs_homo_sapiens_skull.jpg)

I agree with AJ on this one. Such a fundamental process isn't being taught enough and as a result we get users like you who try and denounce it without knowing a single thing about it.

Maybe he just changed over time, whoever that was.

[huginnmuninn]

Maybe he just changed over time, whoever that was.

isnt that like the definition of evolution? change over time?

[Cicero]

isnt that like the definition of evolution? change over time?

No it's that we went from monkeys to humans

[huginnmuninn]

No it's that we went from monkeys to humans

no its not. you need to study up on the theory of evolution

[ImCoolBeans]

No it's that we went from monkeys to humans

You are so misinformed...

The exact definition of evolution is in fact change over time. Evolution does not only pertain to human beings. Every species has evolved over time.

[Cicero]

You are so misinformed...

The exact definition of evolution is in fact change over time. Evolution does not only pertain to human beings. Every species has evolved over time.

So it has nothing to do with us coming from monkeys?

[BFG9001]

Holy hell, what did I miss?

A creationist seeing proof of evolution and looking the other way.

[Can'tHelpIt]

Intelligent Design is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. You really think there's some guy up there who has already decided are future. He will let the best people die a horrible death, and a horrible person a great life. Why would he let us go to corruption? Because hes not real. I believe in evolution, it is like 100000000000x more likely to come from a monkey to a human than the finger of a godly presense.

[rockNroll]

Sorry guys, but evolution is a fact. Teaching intelligent design in public schools is only going to confuse kids and make them less knowledgeable about how this world actually works. If you want lies fed to your kid, go to a Catholic school. The public schools should stick to teaching things that really happen.

[Rage of the Menace]

The problem begins when the people don't have a choice. They learn evolution and that's it. No scripture classes.

I have a catholic scripture class every 2 weeks, for 50 minutes. That's pathetic and biased towards evolution.

Evolution is a fact, but that doesn't mean God is not existant.

Look up progressive creationist and stop bieng so narrow-minded.

[kenoloor]

The problem begins when the people don't have a choice. They learn evolution and that's it. No scripture classes.

That's because evolution is a ridiculously solid theory backed up by a fuckton of scientific and conclusive evidence. Creationism is a belief that is not based in any fact or scientific evidence and therefore does not belong in a science class, which this thread specifically pertains to. Religion has no place in public government institutions, like public schools.

Look up progressive creationist and stop bieng so narrow-minded.

By being a progressive creationist, you are denying the evidence for evolution. You're calling people who believe what science proves to be true narrow-minded, yet you're up here denying logic. Yeah, okay.

[Mortal Coil]

Both theories should be introduced, but as THEORIES.
Neither can be proven nor can they be disproven, therefore the arguments for and against each should be taught and students should be allowed to make up their own minds about each.

[Peace God]

So it has nothing to do with us coming from monkeys?
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[huginnmuninn]

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i dont mind schools teaching intelligent design as long as its not in a science class. just like if someone was in a religion class they probably wouldnt want to learn about evolution

[Peace God]

i dont mind schools teaching intelligent design as long as its not in a science class. just like if someone was in a religion class they probably wouldnt want to learn about evolution
I'm against ID being taught alongside evolution. (ie. Science class) Which im pretty sure is what OP is implying. If they want to discuss it in other classes then that's ok. Teaching it as science, hell no.

[Jess]

I'm against ID being taught alongside evolution. (ie. Science class) Which im pretty sure is what OP is implying. If they want to discuss it in other classes then that's ok. Teaching it as science, hell no.

agreed. if it's taught in a world affairs or culture class, I think that's okay, as long as what's' taught is the basic beliefs, and the teacher isn't like forcing the students that this belief is true or whatever. that's what my 10th grade world affairs teacher did

[Cicero]

agreed. if it's taught in a world affairs or culture class, I think that's okay, as long as what's' taught is the basic beliefs, and the teacher isn't like forcing the students that this belief is true or whatever. that's what my 10th grade world affairs teacher did

I agree with that, I'm not saying that they should force it upon students. But it should at least be apart of some curriculum whether it's science or world affairs.

[Korashk]

Both theories should be introduced, but as THEORIES.
How can you people be so ignorant? HOW?!

Evolution is taught as a theory, because it IS a theory. Unlike intelligent design/creationism.

The thing is, you people don't know what 'theory' means. In terms of science, theory is as as good as it gets when it comes to proof. There is no higher classification for a concept. If it's a theory, then it happens. Period.

Neither can be proven nor can they be disproven, therefore the arguments for and against each should be taught and students should be allowed to make up their own minds about each.
GAH!

Evolution has been proven time and time again for the past 150 years. Scientists have literally watched as one species bred and produced another.

If you can't believe in that, how the hell can you believe in anything at all?

[ImCoolBeans]

How can you people be so ignorant? HOW?!

Evolution is taught as a theory, because it IS a theory. Unlike intelligent design/creationism.

The thing is, you people don't know what 'theory' means. In terms of science, theory is as as good as it gets when it comes to proof. There is no higher classification for a concept. If it's a theory, then it happens. Period.


GAH!

Evolution has been proven time and time again for the past 150 years. Scientists have literally watched as one species bred and produced another.

If you can't believe in that, how the hell can you believe in anything at all?

Thank you, really - thank you.
Creationism/Intelligent design is not and never will be recognized as a theory, due to the fact that there is no proof.

[Thanatos]

Should Intelligent Design be taught in Schools? In a religion class sure.
Should Public Schools have religion classes? Well this depends on where you live.
Should ID be taught in Science Class? Hell Naw

More then ample proof for evolution has been provided so I'm not going to bother, if you aren't convinced yet, you never will be.

[Jess]

I agree with that, I'm not saying that they should force it upon students. But it should at least be apart of some curriculum whether it's science or world affairs.

no it shouldn't be part of science

[Auzzie 94]

Not sure about Intelligent Design but Public Schools here in Australia teach about Evolution in Science class.. I got out of class when we were learning stuff about Evolution... me and 3 of my mates got out of doing Science at that time because we are all listen as Roman Catholic and we forged notes saying that we won't be attending Science when we are learning evolution since evolution is fake according to our religions.. and we forged our parents signatures lmao.. and it worked... But I agree they should teach evolution everywhere.

[Cicero]

no it shouldn't be part of science

I could give a fuck if it's in health class. It should just be apart of some curriculum whether it's science, world affairs, world history, I give a fuck. Just pointing out it should be in something. because Christianity is a big part of the world, especially of every 1 in 7 people are Christian.

[huginnmuninn]

I could give a fuck if it's in health class. It should just be apart of some curriculum whether it's science, world affairs, world history, I give a fuck. Just pointing out it should be in something. because Christianity is a big part of the world, especially of every 1 in 7 people are Christian.

yea and practically everybody has stepped on dirt but that doesnt mean people need to know the chemical composition of it.

[Jess]

I could give a fuck if it's in health class. It should just be apart of some curriculum whether it's science, world affairs, world history, I give a fuck. Just pointing out it should be in something. because Christianity is a big part of the world, especially of every 1 in 7 people are Christian.

there are other religions too. and it shouldn't be mandatory.

[Cicero]

there are other religions too. and it shouldn't be mandatory.

Many other religions believe in an intelligent design. But Christianity has been the biggest part of the world.

[ImCoolBeans]

Many other religions believe in an intelligent design. But Christianity has been the biggest part of the world.

Okay but why should I be forced to learn about your religious beliefs and customs. I'm not christian, a lot of people I know are not christian. Why should we be forced to learn about a religion that we neither practice nor really even care about?

Religion and public school don't really mix too great, bud. We don't learn about this for a reason. Do you think that this hasn't come up at numerous Board of Ed. meetings in the last 50 years? It's not a part of our curriculum because it is not factual, it is not an accepted theory - hell, it's not even a theory. Teaching this in school would be like giving praying lessons during gym class. How do you think that would go over?

[kenoloor]

If a student wants to learn about something with no proof, logic, academic or educational merit, they can do so on their own time. If it's mentioned in a religion class, it should be mentioned as a belief, not taught as fact; much in the same manner that Greek mythology is taught in schools.

Evolution has thousands of years of evidence to support it and therefore should be a mandatory element of every science curriculum. Schools exist to teach us that which is proven to be true, not that which is the most popular (and ridiculous) religious belief. America isn't a fucking theocracy.

[ImCoolBeans]

If a student wants to learn about something with no proof, logic, academic or educational merit, they can do so on their own time. If it's mentioned in a religion class, it should be mentioned as a belief, not taught as fact; much in the same manner that Greek mythology is taught in schools.

Evolution has thousands of years of evidence to support it and therefore should be a mandatory element of every science curriculum. Schools exist to teach us that which is proven to be true, not that which is the most popular (and ridiculous) religious belief. America isn't a fucking theocracy.

That and I'd also like to add that teaching it as a fact pretty much pisses all over the Bill of Rights, individual belief and is pretty fucking oppressive.

[Rage of the Menace]

By being a progressive creationist, you are denying the evidence for evolution. You're calling people who believe what science proves to be true narrow-minded, yet you're up here denying logic. Yeah, okay.

Excuse me, but did i say i don't believe in evolution? Infact, i'm a creative evolutionist, so please. If you don't know what that is, look it up.

And no, it's not from a christian scientist.

[kenoloor]

Excuse me, but did i say i don't believe in evolution? Infact, i'm a creative evolutionist, so please. If you don't know what that is, look it up.

And no, it's not from a christian scientist.

I quote...

Progressive creationists generally reject macroevolution because they believe it to be biologically untenable and not supported by the fossil record,[not verified in body] and they generally reject the concept of universal descent from a last universal ancestor. Thus they reject the scientific consensus regarding the evidence for evolution.

Source. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_creationism)

If you're going to label yourself (as you did here (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1614316&postcount=58)) at least know what it means.

[northskater110]

I kind of believe in freedom of knowledge, so I think they should teach both. Or at least mention intelligent design as it should be paired with evolution

[Rage of the Menace]

I quote...



Source. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_creationism)

If you're going to label yourself (as you did here (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1614316&postcount=58)) at least know what it means.

From Wikipedia? That's weak.

I believe in what i see fit, progressive creationism is a generalisation of what i believe in, my ideology is just what it is. mine.

[ImCoolBeans]

From Wikipedia? That's weak.

I believe in what i see fit, progressive creationism is a generalisation of what i believe in, my ideology is just what it is. mine.

That doesn't mean that it should be taught in science class. Let's say I believe in magic and aliens, should that also be taught in science class?

[dead]

I kind of believe in freedom of knowledge, so I think they should teach both. Or at least mention intelligent design as it should be paired with evolution

That's what teachers are for. You can ask them questions about that.

[Cicero]

That's what teachers are for. You can ask them questions about that.

How about schools teach neither and students can freely ask questions about it?

[Peace God]

How about schools teach neither and students can freely ask questions about it?

"Biology without evolution is natural history, not biology. There is a great deal of important information in natural history that should be taught, but evolution is the unifying idea that ties it all together, allowing one not only to know the facts but to understand them and to know where the facts come from. Teaching biology without evolution would be like teaching chemistry without the periodic table of the elements." ~ Sauce (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA042.html)

[ImCoolBeans]

How about schools teach neither and students can freely ask questions about it?

But the thing is, evolution is proven. It's a fact, it's real, it's here to stay. If we don't teach it in school you're depriving students of what is pretty much the heart and soul of biology. Evolution isn't something that they threw into the curriculum because they had an extra few weeks and didn't know what to do with the time, it's one of the biggest points that you'll ever learn in science class - if not the biggest.

[dead]

How about schools teach neither and students can freely ask questions about it?

If we do this we might as well stop getting shots from doctors because most of that was created off of the knowledge of evolution.

[User Deleted]

If you don't want to be taught about modern scientific theories go to a religious school exempt from what they consider offensive ideas.

[Rage of the Menace]

That doesn't mean that it should be taught in science class. Let's say I believe in magic and aliens, should that also be taught in science class?

I never said it should, get your facts right.

[ImCoolBeans]

I never said it should, get your facts right.

Well that's what the debate is regarding.

[Magus]

Evolution is Science. Intelligent Design is Pseudo-science

[Rage of the Menace]

Well that's what the debate is regarding.

I simply pointed out the fact that schools in general tend to lean towards scientific theories leaving religion un-attended, giving children a specific view.

That is what's happening in Australia. So don't contradict my point if you don't have an idea of what's going on in my part of the world.

Also, go reference wikipedia in year 11-12 and university and watch the teachers reaction.

[dead]

I simply pointed out the fact that schools in general tend to lean towards scientific theories leaving religion un-attended, giving children a specific view.

That is what's happening in Australia. So don't contradict my point if you don't have an idea of what's going on in my part of the world.

Also, go reference wikipedia in year 11-12 and university and watch the teachers reaction.

There's references at the bottom of the Wikipedia page, this isn't school we are lazy.

[ImCoolBeans]

I simply pointed out the fact that schools in general tend to lean towards scientific theories leaving religion un-attended, giving children a specific view.

That is what's happening in Australia. So don't contradict my point if you don't have an idea of what's going on in my part of the world.

Also, go reference wikipedia in year 11-12 and university and watch the teachers reaction.

Okay, awesome, and I simply gave my opinion.

[Genghis Khan]

I simply pointed out the fact that schools in general tend to lean towards scientific theories leaving religion un-attended

That's awesome.

[Wesley1369]

they should introduce the idea at least but obviously not teach that it is right

[Patc]

I believe public schools should teach the principles behind widely accepted scientific laws, and offer exposure to other beliefs, ultimately people should be free to make their own decisions, and if you can't teach everything equally, why not just teach people to be open minded and accepting?

[Wesley1369]

i agree let people have their free will.

[Jess]

But the thing is, evolution is proven. It's a fact, it's real, it's here to stay. If we don't teach it in school you're depriving students of what is pretty much the heart and soul of biology. Evolution isn't something that they threw into the curriculum because they had an extra few weeks and didn't know what to do with the time, it's one of the biggest points that you'll ever learn in science class - if not the biggest.

I think we should give some examples that evolution is proven, for those people that think evolution hasn't been proven :/

http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=11876

[ImCoolBeans]

I think we should give some examples that evolution is proven, for those people that think evolution hasn't been proven :/

http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=11876

We actually gave some earlier in the thread, but I guess they still didn't get it :P

[kenoloor]

I think we should give some examples that evolution is proven, for those people that think evolution hasn't been proven :/

http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=11876

I quote...

I think this thread is proof that we need to focus on teaching evolution.

[Azunite]

Pity, we already have those in our lessons

[Efflorescence]

I think that religion has no business teaching processes that can only be explained through science such as how certain species were formed etc.
It's not a religious area, it's a scientific area from top to bottom. So I think that the subject should not even be discussed in a religious class.

And science should only choose the theory that has the most proof - evolution. Only that should be taught in my opinion so I voted 'no'.

[CrashingWaves]

Well personally I wouldn't want my teachers to spew religious principles to me. Creationism was devised from a book. The theory of evolution came about from copious observations. Not everyone is religious. Atheists aren't going to believe in creationism, so are you just going to force feed them religion, that they probably are going to reject, and call it science? Save creationism for those who choose to take religion courses.

[GLaDOS]

We're talking about public schools here, and ever heard of "separation of church and state." By the Constitution, they're not allowed to teach or enforce religion on us. Although science is not considered religion, and can therefore be openly taught in schools. Oh, by the way, evolution is more backed up by evidence than cell theory so I thought that was interesting.

[huginnmuninn]

We're talking about public schools here, and ever heard of "separation of church and state." By the Constitution, they're not allowed to teach or enforce religion on us. Although science is not considered religion, and can therefore be openly taught in schools. Oh, by the way, evolution is more backed up by evidence than cell theory so I thought that was interesting.

You need to read the constitution instead of just quoting shit youve heard about it. it doesnt say anything about seperation of church and state that came from a letter thomas jefferson wrote. No, public schools arent allowed to force religion on us but they can teach about religion.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

First of all I fucked up and answered the poll wrong so....
Second of all there is a bug (actually more of a bacteria) that eats nothing but nylon. Nylon is a completely man made material. So why on earth would a sentient being put such a bug on the earth 6000 years ago if it had nothing to eat for the past 5500+ years?
Third, no intelligent design should not be taught in science class. I go to a christian school (not because I'm a christian, the kids and staff are just nicer) and I get pissed every time my teacher corrects the text book or the occasional educational film when it says "millions of years". Religion is something completely different than science. They should be kept separate. I would have no problem with a class that taught about a religion and it's believes. Learning about other cultures if important, but to actually have religious talk in a science class is contradictory and counter-productive.