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Gaybaby94
February 12th, 2012, 02:16 PM
I learned that everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I believe that anyone who opposes same sex marriage is violating my rights with their homophobia, bigotry, and ignorance. Your take on this.

Is opposition to same sex marriage unconstitutional?

trooneh
February 12th, 2012, 02:25 PM
It isn't, but it is discrimination in my opinion. It's an attempt to deny a certain group of people benefits and the right to pursue happiness.

Stronger
February 12th, 2012, 02:31 PM
It isn't, but it is discrimination in my opinion. It's an attempt to deny a certain group of people benefits and the right to pursue happiness.

This ^

Jean Poutine
February 12th, 2012, 02:35 PM
Unconstitutional is more than a stupid buzzword.

anonymous53
February 12th, 2012, 02:46 PM
I learned that everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I believe that anyone who opposes same sex marriage is violating my rights with their homophobia, bigotry, and ignorance. Your take on this.

Is opposition to same sex marriage unconstitutional?

No, it's not. They have the right to their opinion, as do hate groups such as the KKK.

Amnesiac
February 12th, 2012, 03:14 PM
I learned that everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I believe that anyone who opposes same sex marriage is violating my rights with their homophobia, bigotry, and ignorance. Your take on this.

Is opposition to same sex marriage unconstitutional?

No, because of the First Amendment. Those who oppose same-sex marriage absolutely have the right to do so, and express their views freely. The moment we label "unconstitutional" the right of a group to voice their opinions is when freedom of speech dies in this country.

Your rights aren't being violated until what's entitled to you under current U.S. law is being abridged. Laws against gay marriage may be unconstitutional, but for a person to voice their opposition to same sex marriage will never be.

ImCoolBeans
February 12th, 2012, 03:59 PM
No, because of the First Amendment. Those who oppose same-sex marriage absolutely have the right to do so, and express their views freely. The moment we label "unconstitutional" the right of a group to voice their opinions is when freedom of speech dies in this country.

Your rights aren't being violated until what's entitled to you under current U.S. law is being abridged. Laws against gay marriage may be unconstitutional, but for a person to voice their opposition to same sex marriage will never be.

Agreed. People are allowed to voice their opinions, even if you may disagree with them.

Ender
February 12th, 2012, 04:14 PM
Agreed. People are allowed to voice their opinions, even if you may disagree with them.

True, however... law preventing homosexuals from being happily together are unconstitutional in my opinion. Which is the answer I feel the OP is looking for.

ImCoolBeans
February 12th, 2012, 04:16 PM
True, however... law preventing homosexuals from being happily together are unconstitutional in my opinion. Which is the answer I feel the OP is looking for.

I wasn't saying that they were not. I was saying people voicing their opinions about same sex marriage is absolutely not unconstitutional. You and I are both voicing our opinions here.

Ender
February 12th, 2012, 04:19 PM
I understand that. And I completely agree, the first amendment backs what you're saying. As long as what you're doing doesnt infringe on anyone elses freedom.

Cicero
February 12th, 2012, 04:23 PM
I think it's about whatever the public thinks. Their should be a vote, if the majority vote yes, it should be legal. What Amendment is this, about "discriminating" against gays? All the sudden people believe their rights are being taken away from them because it pertains to you, but when another thing happens like not talking about God or The Intellegent Design in school, everyone's for it. I believe that public schools should have to learn about the Creation of the earth from the point of Christianity as well as Darwinism. Why can't we have both? Many people don't believe Darwinism, so we should have Darwinism and the Intellegent Design theories.

Ender
February 12th, 2012, 04:28 PM
I think it's about whatever the public thinks. Their should be a vote

So, you're taking the popular sovereignty route, which was used for slavery and ultimately failed...?

Yeahno. How about we just stick to constitution. Let them get married and be happy. Haters are always going to hate.

ImCoolBeans
February 12th, 2012, 04:34 PM
I think it's about whatever the public thinks. Their should be a vote, if the majority vote yes, it should be legal.

There should be no such thing because it should be legal. As Ender said, this idea was used with slavery - and was a massive failure. Why should everyone not be allowed to get married? What risk does it pose? Who will it hurt?

ImCoolBeans
February 12th, 2012, 04:42 PM
If a majority of the public agrees that people of certain races should be killed, should they?

Exactly, that logic can't be applied to everything.

Cicero
February 12th, 2012, 04:49 PM
There should be no such thing because it should be legal. As Ender said, this idea was used with slavery - and was a massive failure. Why should everyone not be allowed to get married? What risk does it pose? Who will it hurt?

Sorry but how was it a failure? And it (voting as the public) was applied when they took Christianity out of school, it was applied when they did slavery, it was applied when they did the Health care Obama suggested, and it was applied when they made each amendment. It should be the people's choice on a lot of decisions.

ImCoolBeans
February 12th, 2012, 04:51 PM
Sorry but how was it a failure?

Because it lead to a civil war? Which is probably the absolute worst situation any country can be put in. The real question is how was it not a failure? If you seem to think otherwise...

Ender
February 12th, 2012, 04:55 PM
Sorry but how was it a failure? And it (voting as the public) was applied when they took Christianity out of school, it was applied when they did slavery, it was applied when they did the Health care Obama suggested, and it was applied when they made each amendment. It should be the people's choice on a lot of decisions.

Because it lead to a civil war? Which is probably the absolute worst situation any country can be put in. The real question is how was it not a failure? If you seem to think otherwise...

It lead to unneven rights, some states were slave, some were free. As some states began to be forced to change their ways to create a balanced system, states began to secede from the union, causing the numbers to get even worse. This led to civil war.


SERIOUSLY guys. Let's just stick to the constitutional rules that our founding fathers wrote for our country. If you disagree with it, feel free, but nothing you can do. NOTHING about being gay is unconstitutional.

ImCoolBeans
February 12th, 2012, 04:57 PM
It lead to unneven rights, some states were slave, some were free. As some states began to be forced to change their ways to create a balanced system, states began to secede from the union, causing the numbers to get even worse. This led to civil war.


SERIOUSLY guys. Let's just stick to the constitutional rules that our founding fathers wrote for our country. If you disagree with it, feel free, but nothing you can do. NOTHING about being gay is unconstitutional.

Exactly

Gaybaby94
February 12th, 2012, 05:47 PM
I think it's about whatever the public thinks. Their should be a vote, if the majority vote yes, it should be legal.

If it was the case, the majority, which is mostly homophobic, ignorant, and bigoted, they would vote to keep it illegal.

Sugaree
February 13th, 2012, 10:37 PM
If it was the case, the majority, which is mostly homophobic, ignorant, and bigoted, they would vote to keep it illegal.

Yes yes, the majority of America obviously HATES gay people. Everyone is out to get you because you like men. Seriously, have you even met the majority? And I mean every member of the majority. Who do you consider "the majority" anyway? Conservatives? Liberals?

(And I can almost guess what you're going to say)