Syria Intervention - Is it needed now?

[Rainstorm]

It has been 11 months since the first uprising began in Syria and it has turned into an all out bloodbath. Al-Assad's regime is battering Homs and other cities, using rockets and mortars along with killing anyone: Men, women and children.

The UN has proved inable to act due to Russia and China. So I want to ask you a question.

Should the Western Powers (UK, America, Germany, France, etc.) form an intervention without UN approval to attempt and end the bloodshed in Syria immediately?

Here's a quote from an article:
"I saw really horrible things I've never seen in my life," he said. "Kids in the hospital, a kid with his whole jaw gone. a little girl, a kid, she's 4 years old, she's dead, her sister's 6 years old, she lost her left eye and her mother is in intensive care."
Links to some stories on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/07/world/meast/syria-scene/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/07/slaughter-in-syria-rocket-attacks-blood-in-the-streets-and-a-relentless-fight-for-freedom/?hpt=hp_t1

[Azunite]

http://www.lowbird.com/data/images/2011/03/1299943493450.jpg

Syria is not a major oil exporter in Middle East standarts, so there is nothing important there.

[ImCoolBeans]

I mean, don't get me wrong - it's not cool what's going on over there, but is another war really in our best interests at this point in time?

[Genghis Khan]

Although I don't agree with Assad's regime and tyranny I don't really agree with the West (particularly the US and the UK) believing that they must be involved in issues that shouldn't pertain to or concern them. I mean really, where do you draw the fricking line.

[ImCoolBeans]

Although I don't agree with Assad's regime and tyranny I don't really agree with the West (particularly the US and the UK) believing that they must be involved in issues that shouldn't pertain to or concern them. I mean really, where do you draw the fricking line.

Yeah, I agree with you.

The US and UK (more so the US) can't get involved in every fiasco that arises anywhere in the world.

[kenoloor]

Although I don't agree with Assad's regime and tyranny I don't really agree with the West (particularly the US and the UK) believing that they must be involved in issues that shouldn't pertain to or concern them. I mean really, where do you draw the fricking line.

This. The US has a bad habit of sticking their abnormally oversized nose into other countries' business.

[ImCoolBeans]

This. The US has a bad habit of sticking their abnormally oversized nose into other countries' business.

:usflag: AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[trooneh]

Yeah, I agree with you.

The US and UK (more so the US) can't get involved in every fiasco that arises anywhere in the world.

The problem I see is in the inability of the UN to react at all to the situation. That is the correct forum to act in, but the Security Council's veto system is seriously flawed.

[Amaryllis]

Fuck no. It has nothing to do with them. Until one of their allies or themselves are invaded, they need to step aside and mind their own bloody business.

War hardly ever leads to happier endings. Thousands of innocent civilians have died during various "interventions." The US and perhaps some other Western powers cannot afford to lose more billions of dollars for more "big operations." Its people come first - then everyone else.

It is beyond -stupid- when nations continually preach their form of government, be it republic or communist or anarchy or whatever it may be. The fact is, democracy -isn't- the "best" form of government and neither is anything else. Different countries require different controls.

Western intervention has not been known to bring peace and Libya most likely will not be any different. Hence they should stay out of it - for their own interests and that of its fellow nations.

[Texas warrior]

Although I don't agree with Assad's regime and tyranny I don't really agree with the West (particularly the US and the UK) believing that they must be involved in issues that shouldn't pertain to or concern them. I mean really, where do you draw the fricking line.

I think that the line of were we should interfere is when civilians are being killed, I do think the US and UK do over play there hand but what Assad is doing borderlines genocide.

[Genghis Khan]

I think that the line of were we should interfere is when civilians are being killed, I do think the US and UK do over play there hand but what Assad is doing borderlines genocide.

Pointless. If you're talking military interference then that's just asking for another war which can only result in more civilian casualties. Plus Syria has the support of Russia and China, that can only lead to a cataclysmic outcome.

[Texas warrior]

Okay you do a good point, better than mine, but my point sill stands we need to do something. People are dieing and you just want to do nothing?

[kenoloor]

Okay you do a good point, better than mine, but my point sill stands we need to do something. People are dieing and you just want to do nothing?

No we don't. Getting involved, more than likely, will be worse than if we don't get involved.

[Genghis Khan]

Okay you do a good point, better than mine, but my point sill stands we need to do something. People are dieing and you just want to do nothing?

People dying does constitute as a problem, intervention doesn't always constitute as a solution. If anything it could create more complications, increased influence and intervention from the West may not only worsen relationships between Syria - Russia - China but could also result in more friction between the US and Russia in this post-cold war hangover. What I mean by this is Russia formed suitable relations with this same Syrian government since the Soviet Era; therefore whether or not to intrude in Syrian affairs is a delicate decision to be made by the US.

I stand by the view that the Syrian people should be left on their own to bring whatever change to their country they want, they are responsible for their own destiny. Assad's regime has committed crimes against humanity but if the Syrian people are persistent in their desire for change then they will fight through and make enough sacrifices to get there. It's a sad reality that Bashaar Al-Assad will have tons more people killed if this goes on but the situation is so intensely sensitive that foreign interference will negatively aggravate conditions rather than mitigate/assuage them.

[Breakeven]

yeah to end the bloodbath

[Texas warrior]

People dying does constitute as a problem, intervention doesn't always constitute as a solution. If anything it could create more complications, increased influence and intervention from the West may not only worsen relationships between Syria - Russia - China but could also result in more friction between the US and Russia in this post-cold war hangover. What I mean by this is Russia formed suitable relations with this same Syrian government since the Soviet Era; therefore whether or not to intrude in Syrian affairs is a delicate decision to be made by the US.

I stand by the view that the Syrian people should be left on their own to bring whatever change to their country they want, they are responsible for their own destiny. Assad's regime has committed crimes against humanity but if the Syrian people are persistent in their desire for change then they will fight through and make enough sacrifices to get there. It's a sad reality that Bashaar Al-Assad will have tons more people killed if this goes on but the situation is so intensely sensitive that foreign interference will negatively aggravate conditions rather than mitigate/assuage them.


As sad as it is, you are right. There is nothing we can do, but I don't have to
like it.

[botwa]

It's nobody's but Syria's business what is going on inside the country. I think it's a bad habit of intervention to prevent something.

[Rage of the Menace]

No. America has NOTHING TO DO THERE. Oh wait, yes they do.

1. Israels last enemy (conventional force) on its borders.
2. Fall of the middle east to a bunch of puppets.
3. America is extremely nosy.

The Syrians support the autocrat. They have showed it in rallies reaching up to 7 million.

Last week the Russian Foreign Minister visited the capital... he was greeted by 2 million people.

[Sporadica]

They are a sovereign nation.

They have the right to deal with their own shit.

I don't think we should be sticking our nose in other peoples business.

if you ask me we should all fuck off.