13-16 Survey Boys

[The realist]

Age:
Straight/Bi/Gay:
Cut/Uncut:
Size hard:
Head color:
Pube color:
Where do you have hair at:
How many veins:
How do you masturbate:
How much do you cum:
Shoot/dribble:
Abs:
Ever mast. With friend:
Describe them:
what do you clean up with:
Weirdest place masturbated:
Most sensitive part of penis:

[coreyorama]

Age: 16
Straight/Bi/Gay: str8
Cut/Uncut: cut
Size hard: 7.5
Head color: pinkish
Pube color: Black Brown
Where do you have hair at: Legs, Face, Crotch, Armpits, Arms, Feet, Ect.
How many veins: Humans have alot
How do you masturbate: idk... with a hand, and some free time
How much do you cum: a decent amount, depends on how many times in that period of 24 hours
Shoot/dribble: usualy more like a leak, on occasion i will shoot
Abs: i wish my lord
Ever mast. With friend: yea
Describe them: Idk... it kinda... happend
what do you clean up with: tissues, soemtiems a glory rag, shower, toilet
Weirdest place masturbated: The weirdest... cant decide probs the bathroom in the Captiol
Most sensitive part of penis: the bottom rim of teh head

[Abyssal Echo]

Age: 14
Straight/Bi/Gay: Gay
Cut/Uncut: Uncut
Size hard: 5.5"
Head color: Brown
Pube color: Brown
Where do you have hair at: arms, legs, butt, penis, balls
How many veins:
How do you masturbate: hand
How much do you cum: alot
Shoot/dribble: both
Abs:
Ever mast. With friend: yes
Describe them: Which one
what do you clean up with: sock, underware
Weirdest place masturbated: behind a rowboat that was leaning against a building
Most sensitive part of penis: the underside of the head

[Askud99]

Age: 14
Straight/Bi/Gay: Straight curious
Cut/Uncut: cut. I wish I was uncut though
Size hard: 5.5 in
Head color: if you mean hair then dirty blonde if you mean penis then it is a reddish purplish color when hard
Pube color: dark brown
Where do you have hair at: butt, legs, arms, armpits, nipples, tiny happy trail(stomach/ belly button), bottom of shaft, balls, between balls and butt, pubes
How many veins: too many to count
How do you masturbate: one hand/ stop and go
How much do you cum: a lot
Shoot/dribble: both
Abs: four pack
Ever mast. With friend: yes
Describe them: well it was before I knew he was bi and liked me, but he is nice, sometimes, he tried to commit suicide a couple of times
what do you clean up with: mouth or cum rag
Weirdest place masturbated: school
Most sensitive part of penis: the underside of my head. The part that faces away from you

[Kitty Purry]

Age: 16
Straight/Bi/Gay: Gay
Cut/Uncut: Cut
Size hard: 6
Head color: purpleish
Pube color: brown
Where do you have hair at: the normal places? xD i dont know how to explain.
How many veins: a few.. not alot.
How do you masturbate: UP n' DOWN xD
How much do you cum: Average? depends
Shoot/dribble: both
Abs: no
Ever mast. With friend: Yeah
Describe them: Same as me(:
what do you clean up with: Our mouth's..
Weirdest place masturbated: ummm no where crazy really /:
Most sensitive part of penis: head

[Luke2]

Age:15
Straight/Bi/Gay:bi
Cut/Uncut: uncut
Size hard:5.5
Head color:brown
Pube color:brown
Where do you have hair at:the normal places but not heaps
How many veins: um...
How do you masturbate:right hand
How much do you cum: heaps
Shoot/dribble:both
Abs:kinda
Ever mast. With friend: yeah
Describe them: why
what do you clean up with: don't
Weirdest place masturbated: car
Most sensitive part of penis: pee hole

[wildmanjesse]

Age: 15 (almost 16)
Straight/Bi/Gay: straight
Cut/Uncut: cut
Size hard: 7
Head color: hair: dirty blode, penis head: red
Pube color: Brown
Where do you have hair at: Junk, happy trail, chest, some on face
How many veins: too many to count
How do you masturbate: left handed
How much do you cum: too much
Shoot/dribble: shoot
Abs: yes
Ever mast. With friend: yes
Describe them: awesome sauce
what do you clean up with: what is available
Weirdest place masturbated: idk
Most sensitive part of penis: head *duh*

[jack316]

Age: 16
Straight/Bi/Gay: Gay
Cut/Uncut: Uncut
Size hard: 8 inches long & 6 1/2 inch girth
Head color: purple
Pube color: black
Where do you have hair at: everywhere
How many veins: lots of veins on my dick. its really veiny
How do you masturbate: sitting or lying down, with my left hand.
How much do you cum: a average amount. 3-4 shots
Shoot/dribble: dribble, but occasionally i will shoot, but not far.
Abs: natural abs, and I'm naturally really skinny
Ever mast. With friend: YES. 3/4 times. SO MUCH fun. its so fun touching each others an comparing sizes/ foreskins/ methods
Describe them: he's the guy I've had a crush on for years. he's tanned amazing body and arms. 7 inch uncut dick. mine is longer and thicker. he was amazed at mine
what do you clean up with: tissue/ toilet paper
Weirdest place masturbated: on holiday in bali
Most sensitive part of penis: base of the head/ frenulum area

[Frenchteen]

Age: 14
Straight/Bi/Gay: Straight
Cut/Uncut: uncut
Size hard: 6.7 in
Head color: pink / red
Pube color: black
Where do you have hair at: just like every teenager lol
How many veins: a lot on my dick
How do you masturbate: with hands
How much do you cum: it varies from 8-9 to 12-13 spurts
Shoot/dribble: shoot
Abs: yeah I take care of them :)
Ever mast. With friend: no
Describe them:
what do you clean up with: tissue and toilet paper
Weirdest place masturbated: school
Most sensitive part of penis: the head of the penis

[gone123]

Age: 15
Straight/Bi/Gay: Bi-curious
Cut/Uncut: Uncut
Size hard: 5.6"
Head color: Purple
Pube color: Black
Where do you have hair at: The usual places.
How many veins: A few on my penis.
How do you masturbate: The normal way?
How much do you cum: More than average I think.
Shoot/dribble: Shoot
Abs: No
Ever mast. With friend: Yes
Describe them:
what do you clean up with: Tissue
Weirdest place masturbated: Not really sure...
Most sensitive part of penis: Head

[Lakai]

Age:13 almost 14 c:
Straight/Bi/Gay:Straight
Cut/Uncut:Cut
Size hard:4.5
Head color:tan
Pube color:black
Where do you have hair at:pubes and my head lol
How many veins:idk im a lil veiny
How do you masturbate:Left hand (Feels better) with saliva.
How much do you cum:Depends sometimes I squirt like once and others like it just oozes out a little
Shoot/dribble:dribble unless i havent busted in like 2 months
Abs: no i am chubby/fat );
Ever mast. With friend:no
Describe them:n/a
what do you clean up with:my hand then wash
Weirdest place masturbated:in a feild at 12 am
Most sensitive part of penis:under head on the soft skin

[Lakai]

Oh and I have hair in my ass and one armpit hair lol ^

[Electra Heart]

Age: 14
Straight/Bi/Gay: Bi
Cut/Uncut: Cut
Size hard: 7.5''
Head color: Pinkish tan
Pube color: dark brown
Where do you have hair at: Do you mean specifically pubic?..
How many veins: A few, huge one on top.
How do you masturbate: With my hand?..
How much do you cum: A lot I guess, depends really
Shoot/dribble: shoot usually
Abs: Like the first 4
Ever mast. With friend: I have
Describe them: The friend?..
what do you clean up with: Old t-shirt or something
Weirdest place masturbated: Roller coaster :P
Most sensitive part of penis: Bottom of head

[Invisible Ninja]

Age: 14
Straight/Bi/Gay: Straight
Cut/Uncut: Cut
Size hard: 6 in.
Head color: Somewhere between pink and brown
Pube color: Brown
Where do you have hair at: Armpits, Arms, Legs, Pubes and HEAD
How many veins: Idk?
How do you masturbate: H.J.
How much do you cum: Alot
Shoot/dribble: Shoot
Abs: Average
Ever mast. With friend: No
Describe them: N/A
what do you clean up with: Toilet paper
Weirdest place masturbated: Public shower
Most sensitive part of penis: Head

[Silicate Wielder]

Age: 13
Straight/Bi/Gay: straight
Cut/Uncut: koose-cut/uncut
Size hard: 8.4 inches
Head color: same as rest
Pube color: brown
Where do you have hair at: pubes,face,armpits, arms, legs
How many veins:19-20
How do you masturbate: usually mixed
How much do you cum: 3-5 spurts
Shoot/dribble: both
Abs: visble when flexxed
Ever mast. With friend: no
Describe them: N/A
what do you clean up with: boxers
Weirdest place masturbated: at my sister's friends house, her friends sister camwe into the same room o-e
Most sensitive part of penis: head/foreskin

[Overcast]

Age: 15
Straight/Bi/Gay: gay
Cut/Uncut: cut
Size hard: about 6 in
Head color: pink/purple
Pube color: brown
Where do you have hair at: pubes, underarms, trail, getting fine chest hair
How many veins: like 1 or 2
How do you masturbate: 1 a day
How much do you cum: fair amount
Shoot/dribble: shoot
Abs: workin on it bro!
Ever mast. With friend: want to
Describe them: -
what do you clean up with: underwear, tissue
Weirdest place masturbated: sorry bro, not really
Most sensitive part of penis: under the head, facing my balls :D

[Dyl4n]

Age:16
Straight/Bi/Gay:Bi
Cut/Uncut:Uncut
Size hard:5in
Head color:Purpleish
Pube color:Black
Where do you have hair at:underarms, pubes, arms, legs, and happy trial
How many veins:
How do you masturbate: right and left hand
How much do you cum: depends
Shoot/dribble: dribble
Abs: working on it
Ever mast. With friend: I wish!
Describe them:
what do you clean up with: Kleenex
Weirdest place masturbated: Walking trial
Most sensitive part of penis: head

[markus]

Age: 13
Straight/Bi/Gay: not sure yet
Cut/Uncut: uncut
Size hard: 4.25 inches
Head color: same as rest
Pube color: light brown I think, they are just startting
Where do you have hair at: none really
How many veins:1
How do you masturbate: left hand
How much do you cum: none yet
Shoot/dribble: nothing
Abs: kinda visiblevisble
Ever mast. With friend: no but I would try it
Describe them: N/A
what do you clean up with:
Weirdest place masturbated: in our swimming pool
Most sensitive part of penis: head and inside my foreskin

[jamesscott]

Age:14
Straight/Bi/Gay: GAY
Cut/Uncut: CUT
Size hard: almost 7
Head color: Purpleish
Pube color: Shaved
Where do you have hair at: Armpits, Legs
How many veins: a few
How do you masturbate: Anyway i can
How much do you cum: quite a bit up to 7 shots
Shoot/dribble: shoot
Abs: a lil
Ever mast. With friend: Yes
Describe them: Cute
what do you clean up with: Towel
Weirdest place masturbated: Pool
Most sensitive part of penis: Tip

[xmenayo]

Age:14
Straight/Bi/Gay:straight
Cut/Uncut:cut
Size hard:9-10
Head color:red
Pube color:black
Where do you have hair at:around my dick
How many veins:
How do you masturbate:with my hands...also with my friend while we watch porn..at his place
How much do you cum: twice
Shoot/dribble:shoot
Abs:yeah
Ever mast. With friend:yes
Describe them:it really feels good when we touch each other
what do you clean up with:our tongue he lick mine and i lick his cum
Weirdest place masturbated:school, shower room(when there's people while their videoing me.they force me to masturbate in front of them but its OK..they try to help me though)
Most sensitive part of penis:none

[ImCoolBeans]

Moved to Questions for Both Boys & Girls

[matt25]

Age: 15
Straight/Bi/Gay: straight
Cut/Uncut: cut
Size hard: 5.5
Head color: brown
Pube color: black
Where do you have hair at: normal places
How many veins: ??
How do you masturbate: once a day/every other day
How much do you cum: average
Shoot/dribble: both
Abs: a bit?
Ever mast. With friend: no
Describe them:
what do you clean up with: varies
Weirdest place masturbated: no idea
Most sensitive part of penis: underside

[jordyr]

Age:13
Straight/Bi/Gay:Straight
Cut/Uncut:uncut
Size hard:4.50 or so :D
Head color:Blonde
Pube color:Black
Where do you have hair at:Feet armpits Down bellow :D
How many veins:
How do you masturbate:Left and right hand
How much do you cum: dont count :D
Shoot/dribble:Both
Abs:A little
Ever mast. With friend:nope
Describe them:..
what do you clean up with:boxers
Weirdest place masturbated:Nothing weird
Most sensitive part of penis:Head

[jordyr]

Age:14
Straight/Bi/Gay:straight
Cut/Uncut:cut
Size hard:9-10
Head color:red
Pube color:black
Where do you have hair at:around my dick
How many veins:
How do you masturbate:with my hands...also with my friend while we watch porn..at his place
How much do you cum: twice
Shoot/dribble:shoot
Abs:yeah
Ever mast. With friend:yes
Describe them:it really feels good when we touch each other
what do you clean up with:our tongue he lick mine and i lick his cum
Weirdest place masturbated:school, shower room(when there's people while their videoing me.they force me to masturbate in front of them but its OK..they try to help me though)
Most sensitive part of penis:none
Wtf man
9 inches you fucking wish :D

[XsmileXwizardX]

Age:14
Straight/Bi/Gay:str8 curios
Cut/Uncut:uncut
Size hard:2.8
Head color:pink
Pube color:brown
Where do you have hair at:shaft
How many veins:2
How do you masturbate:??
How much do you cum: none
Shoot/dribble:none
Abs:no
Ever mast. With friend:yes
Describe them:fun
what do you clean up with:tissue
Weirdest place masturbated:airplane
Most sensitive part of penis:head

[Wakesetter03]

Age: 15
Straight/Bi/Gay: Straight
Cut/Uncut: Cut
Size hard: 6"
Head color: Idk, pink?
Pube color: Brown/blonde
Where do you have hair at: armpits, pubes, head.
How many veins: none visible.
How do you masturbate: techniques aren't allowed?
How much do you cum: average I guess?
Shoot/dribble: shoot.
Abs: yes
Ever mast. With friend: yes
Describe them: what does it have to do with anything?
what do you clean up with: tissues.
Weirdest place masturbated: nowhere weird.
Most sensitive part of penis: head.

[pineinchneis]

Age: 15
Straight/Bi/Gay: gay
Cut/Uncut: uncut
Size hard: 6
Head color: purpleish
Pube color: black
Where do you have hair at: underarms legs pubes face and ass
How many veins: one or two
How do you masturbate: right hand
How much do you cum: fair amount
Shoot/dribble: shoot
Abs: a bit
Ever mast. With friend: no
Describe them:
what do you clean up with: cum rag
Weirdest place masturbated: idk
Most sensitive part of penis: head

[coolcman]

Age: 14
Straight/Bi/Gay: straight
Cut/Uncut: cut
Size hard: 5"
Head color: brown
Pube color: black
Where do you have hair at: pubes, happy trail, facial, butt
How many veins: ?
How do you masturbate: with my hand?
How much do you cum: depends on how often i masturbate
Shoot/dribble: shoot
Abs: no
Ever mast. With friend: yes, when i was like 9
Describe them: dont really remember it
what do you clean up with: i usually finish into the toilet
Weirdest place masturbated: school bathroom, target bathroom, bealls changing room
Most sensitive part of penis: head

[prob1996]

Age: 15
Straight/Bi/Gay: Gay
Cut/Uncut: cut
Size hard: 6
Head color: redish purplish
Pube color: light brown
Where do you have hair at: armpits, legs, ass
How many veins: one or two
How do you masturbate: right hand
How much do you cum: Decent amount :P
Shoot/dribble: Shoot
Abs: yep
Ever mast. With friend: yes
Describe them: sk8r, cute
what do you clean up with: boxers, old shirt
Weirdest place masturbated: lockerroom bathroom
Most sensitive part of penis: head

[Dimentio]

Age: 15
Straight/Bi/Gay: Gay
Cut/Uncut: Uncut
Size hard: 6-6.5 inch
Head color: lightbrown/darkblonde
Pube color: black but i now shave all body hair :)
Where do you have hair at: when i did not shave, Stomache, Legs, Armpits, Face, Lower region, Feet, Hands.
How many veins: Not to sure what you mean.
How do you masturbate: right handed and not to fussed if anything is on or not.
How much do you cum: an averege amount i would say.
Shoot/dribble: Dribble, But i can shoot if i want too.
Abs: kinda.
Ever mast. With friend: nope.
Describe them:
what do you clean up with: tissue paper.
Weirdest place masturbated: school.
Most sensitive part of penis: Painful way, Tip of the head, Pleasure way, bottom of the head.

[timpboy]

Age: 16
Straight/Bi/Gay: str8/curious
Cut/Uncut: cut
Size hard: 6.5"
Head color: pinkish
Pube color: black
Where do you have hair at: pubes, balls, butt, arms, legs, face
How many veins: i have no earthly idea
How do you masturbate: every day
How much do you cum: very little
Shoot/dribble: dribble
Abs: what?
Ever mast. With friend: N
what do you clean up with: towel or mouth
Weirdest place masturbated: grocery store bathroom
Most sensitive part of penis: idk

[goorioles]

Age:15
Straight/Bi/Gay:straight
Cut/Uncut: cut
Size hard: 3?
Head color: skin color? whatevers normal for a white male
Pube color: dark, black?
Where do you have hair at: pubes, arm pits, legs, but, some facial,some feet
How many veins: idk
How do you masturbate: with my hand
How much do you cum: a decent amount
Shoot/dribble: both
Abs: no lol
Ever mast. With friend: nope
Describe them:
what do you clean up with: baby wipes
Weirdest place masturbated: my living room
Most sensitive part of penis:right on the other side of my tip, the backside

[Patrick H]

Age:14
Straight/Bi/Gay:strait but curious
Cut/Uncut:cut
Size hard:6 in.
Head color:White
Pube color:brown
Where do you have hair at: pubes, armpits, legs
How many veins:
How do you masturbate: once every other day
How much do you cum: A lot
Shoot/dribble: shoot
Abs:no
Ever mast. With friend: once under blankets though
Describe them:
what do you clean up with:
Weirdest place masturbated: in woods at a ski race where people could possibly see me
Most sensitive part of penis:head

[justinm97]

Age:14
Straight/Bi/Gay:straight
Cut/Uncut:uncut
Size hard:4-4.5
Head color:idk red-pinkish
Pube color:black
Where do you have hair at:around my dick
How many veins: 1-2
How do you masturbate:with my hands
How much do you cum: not too much
Shoot/dribble:shoot and dribble
Abs:not really
Ever mast. With friend:no
Describe them:NA
what do you clean up with: tissue
Weirdest place masturbated: airplane bathroom
Most sensitive part of penis:head

[CoolStoryBro 15]

Age: 14
Straight/Bi/Gay: Straight
Cut/Uncut: Cut
Size hard: 5.5"
Head color: red/tan
Pube color: black as obamas soul
Where do you have hair at: Head, pubic, legs, arm, and my pit of arm
How many veins: millions!!
How do you masturbate: Si senor
How much do you cum: Alot
Shoot/dribble: FIRE THE CANNON!! So ya shoot
Abs: Almost
Ever mast. With friend: Nope, at least not yet anyway
Describe them: Who??
what do you clean up with: Your moms face! a.k.a. a cum rag
Weirdest place masturbated: School bathroom
Most sensitive part of penis: haha all of it, especially the back strip of skin

[Coolman21]

Age:13
Straight/Bi/Gay:straight
Cut/Uncut:cut
Size hard:5 inches
Head color:redish pinkish
Pube color:black brown
Where do you have hair at: legs pubs arms butt
How do you masturbate: with my hand
How much do you cum: alot
Shoot/dribble: both
Abs: no
Ever mast. With friend: no
Describe them:no
what do you clean up with:i dont
Weirdest place masturbated: on my trampoline
Most sensitive part of penis: all of it

[Atomicbob11]

Age: 16
Straight/Bi/Gay: straight
Cut/Uncut: uncut
Size hard: 5 1/2
Head color: pale?
Pube color: brown/black
Where do you have hair at: pits, face, pubes, a little on chest
How many veins:??? where???
How do you masturbate: almost daily
How much do you cum: depends on when i last did
Shoot/dribble: shoot
Abs: barely
Ever mast. With friend: hell no
Describe them:---
what do you clean up with: tissue
Weirdest place masturbated: school
Most sensitive part of penis: head, right under the lip part

[Nolf]

Age: 13
Straight/Bi/Gay: straight
Cut/Uncut: cut
Size hard: 6 inches
Head color: like a dark pink
Pube color: black
Where do you have hair at: pubes, moustache, top of head, legs, happy trail, back/butt
How many veins: like 2 when really hard
How do you masturbate: the usual
How much do you cum: a fair amount
Shoot/dribble: a bit of both
Abs: nope
Ever mast. With friend: once with 4 guys
Describe them: they werent good friends, we were all tired. they call each other "bro" way too much
what do you clean up with: underwear
Weirdest place masturbated: in an adjoining closet between parents and my room in a new jersey beach house
Most sensitive part of penis: head. usual

[badboy96]

Age:16
Straight/Bi/Gay:bi
Cut/Uncut:uncut
Size hard:8in
Head color:brown
Pube color:brown
Where do you have hair at:every where
How many veins:idk
How do you masturbate:yer
How much do you cum: a bit
Shoot/dribble:both
Abs:no
Ever mast. With friend:yer
Describe them: friend
what do you clean up with:um depends
Weirdest place masturbated:idk
Most sensitive part of penis:tip

[Soccer4life99]

Age: 13
Straight/Bi/Gay: straight i like girls only
Cut/Uncut: uncut
Size hard: 8cms
Head color: pink
Pube color: dont have
Where do you have hair at: my arms and legs
How many veins: on my penis 2 big ones there are more but u cant see them
How do you masturbate: with my hand
How much do you cum: only a little bit comes out
Shoot/dribble: i now know wat this means. it dribbles out
Abs: kind of but not like a wrestlers abs
Ever mast. With friend: yes
Describe them: i wanked for a girl who is 13 and she is in my school with brown hair
what do you clean up with: i dont understand
Weirdest place masturbated: boys toilets at school and at my cusins house
Most sensitive part of penis: the head

[JayM96]

[QUOTE=JaceJ;1596236]Age:15
Straight/Bi/Gay: straight curious
Cut/Uncut: uncut
Size hard: 5 in
Head color: blonde
Pube color. Dark blonde
Where do you have hair at: pubes
How many veins: 0
How do you masturbate: hand
How much do you cum: a little
Shoot/dribble: dribble
Abs: not really (I'm skinny so it's more my ribs)
Ever mast. With friend: yes
Describe them: no thanks
what do you clean up with: tissue
Weirdest place masturbated: room
Most sensitive part of penis: tip

[UTurn]

Age: 15
Straight/Bi/Gay: st8/bi not sure def like girls more
Cut/Uncut: cut
Size hard: 5 1/2"
Head color: umm same or red when jerking
Pube color: brownish
Where do you have hair at: pubes legs some on arms
How many veins: umm none that pop out
How do you masturbate: 2 times a day
How much do you cum: not much. I cover my whole hand
Shoot/dribble: dribble a little shoot an inch or so
Abs: covered by some fat haha
Ever mast. With friend: unfortunately no
Describe them:
what do you clean up with: a cum rag
Weirdest place masturbated: the ocean
Most sensitive part of penis: head

[Elmo101]

Age:
Straight/Bi/Gay: Curious
Cut/Uncut: Cut
Size hard: 6.7 in
Head color: Dark pink
Pube color: Black
Where do you have hair at: Crotch, pits, legs, face, butt, some on chest
How many veins: 3-4 super bulgy ones, few not so noticeable
How do you masturbate: With my hand???
How much do you cum: Pretty dang good amount
Shoot/dribble: Mostly shoot, then dribble
Abs: Almost. Teeny bit o' fat over them :/
Ever mast. With friend: Nope :(
Describe them:
what do you clean up with: Underwear
Weirdest place masturbated: Couch
Most sensitive part of penis: Right under head

[sammyb88]

Age: 15
Straight/Bi/Gay: bi curious
Cut/Uncut: uncut
Size hard: 15cm
Head color: white
Pube color: auburn (i'm a ranga!!)
Where do you have hair at: everywhere u should have hair...
How many veins: do i have to count my veins?
How do you masturbate: just give it a good tugitty tug tug
How much do you cum: depends how turned on i was (am i allowed to say that?)
Shoot/dribble: if i am really turned on i shoot
Abs: big 4 pack!! about to reach six!
Ever mast. With friend: no, but i think about it all the time, and want to
Describe them:
what do you clean up with: i don't.. leave it for mum to find
Weirdest place masturbated: in my garage
Most sensitive part of penis: whole thing is pretty sensitive