Ghosts

[Professional Russian]

Do you believe in ghosts or not


Now all the mods are to look at this and say is already one i looked but is to old to post in it so i thought i might make a new one.

[Gaybaby94]

Nope. Once something dies, they are dead. No heaven, hell, 72 virgins, reincarnation or stuff like that.

[Stronger]

I actually do, the whole show A Haunting on Discovery Channel well when it was, got me thinking that they are real


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Nope. Once something dies, they are dead. No heaven, hell, 72 virgins, reincarnation or stuff like that.

72 virgins :confused:

oops

merged, do not double post. -embers

[Professional Russian]

oops

Um 1. dont double post
2. I do think ghosts are real because i have experiences my self

[Stronger]

Um 1. dont double post
2. I do think ghosts are real because i have experiences my self

Seriously I know not to double post, I didn't see the post above me when I was replaying, but anyway, what experiences?

[Anselmo]

Some EVPs make you think twice if ghosts are real or not

I have some experiences too...

I do think ghosts are real because i have experiences my self
share them

[Stronger]

Some EVPs make you think twice if ghosts are real or not

EVP? Whats that?

[Anselmo]

EVP? Whats that?

Electronic voice phenomena-EVP is the "communication" by spirits through tape recorders and other electronic devices

[Professional Russian]

Seriously I know not to double post, I didn't see the post above me when I was replaying, but anyway, what experiences?

1. sorry about yelling then
2. 1 experience, I was in bed and my parents were gone and my dog started just randomly barking. Now me as we now if we followed the second amendment thread we would know i love guns so i took the shotgun from under my bed and went out i look through my house and found nothing but my dog kept barking so i said if theres anyone in this i would suggest leaveing or you will die but my dog just kept barking.

2) a door shut and i was alone with nothing around scared the shit out of me

[Stronger]

Electronic voice phenomena-EVP is the "communication" by spirits through tape recorders and other electronic devices

Oh okay

1. sorry about yelling then
2. 1 experience, I was in bed and my parents were gone and my dog started just randomly barking. Now me as we now if we followed the second amendment thread we would know i love guns so i took the shotgun from under my bed and went out i look through my house and found nothing but my dog kept barking so i said if theres anyone in this i would suggest leaveing or you will die but my dog just kept barking.

2) a door shut and i was alone with nothing around scared the shit out of me

It's all good, yikes that would scare the shit out of me

[Professional Russian]

Oh okay



It's all good, yikes that would scare the shit out of me

Yeah i know it also happens at our school alot shit will go missing and close by them selves all that good shit man

[Stronger]

I remember about 2 years ago, I was with a bunch of friends and we went into this basement, playing hide & go seek and we turned the lights off, and all of a sudden they turned on, and it was in the evening and no one was around, then later we went to a complete different area where this breeze way was and we shut these two door hard, and a few minutes later one slowly opens, I defiantly believe

[Professional Russian]

I remember about 2 years ago, I was with a bunch of friends and we went into this basement, playing hide & go seek and we turned the lights off, and all of a sudden they turned on, and it was in the evening and no one was around, then later we went to a complete different area where this breeze way was and we shut these two door hard, and a few minutes later one slowly opens, I defiantly believe

Thats what usually happens. some of the shit is just scary

[Anselmo]

1. sorry about yelling then
2. 1 experience, I was in bed and my parents were gone and my dog started just randomly barking. Now me as we now if we followed the second amendment thread we would know i love guns so i took the shotgun from under my bed and went out i look through my house and found nothing but my dog kept barking so i said if theres anyone in this i would suggest leaveing or you will die but my dog just kept barking.

2) a door shut and i was alone with nothing around scared the shit out of me

Don't worry if it was something bad it would already attacked you...don't be affraid.
My kitchen have a presence but it's irrelevant since it never harmed me.

[Professional Russian]

Don't worry if it was something bad it would already attacked you...don't be affraid.
My kitchen have a presence but it's irrelevant since it never harmed me.

Well its scares the shit out of me. Can i talk to the one in my house through a ouija board

[Stronger]

Don't worry if it was something bad it would already attacked you...don't be affraid.
My kitchen have a presence but it's irrelevant since it never harmed me.

how do you know?

[Anselmo]

Well its scares the shit out of me. Can i talk to the one in my house through a ouija board
NEVER...you can but ouija it's dangerous to play, you can't just get rid of the board....if you want to talk use a recorder and ask questions (search how to do it on the internet)
I sound crazy but trust me

how do you know?
We all feel them...some are just more sensitive

[Desuetude]

I want to think that there are no ghosts but i can't be sure, i get freaked when im home alone or hear something funny in the house but i just convince myself that its nothing.

[Professional Russian]

NEVER...you can but ouija it's dangerous to play, you can't just get rid of the board....if you want to talk use a recorder and ask questions (search how to do it on the internet)
I sound crazy but trust me

I know ouija is dangerous but ive done before.

[Anselmo]

I know ouija is dangerous but ive done before.

What happened to the board???

[Professional Russian]

What happened to the board???

It moved really slowly but it saying stuff and i know it wasnt my mom which i was useing it with because i put pressure in it and her hand never moved from were it was

If youve seen paranormal activity 3 go to the movies forum and tell me about it named paranormal activity 3

[Anselmo]

It moved really slowly but it saying stuff and i know it wasnt my mom which i was useing it with because i put pressure in it and her hand never moved from were it was

After playing where did you put the board?

[Professional Russian]

After playing where did you put the board?

Back in the box it came in

[Stronger]

It moved really slowly but it saying stuff and i know it wasnt my mom which i was useing it with because i put pressure in it and her hand never moved from were it was

If youve seen paranormal activity 3 go to the movies forum and tell me about it named paranormal activity 3

Those moves scare the crap out of me, I would never see them

[Anselmo]

it's not destroyed??
'cause i didn't belive that ouija was harmful until the day i "met" a guy who played and some of his friends were injured (i know it's looks like a strory, but it's not it's from a paranormal forum) now he have a daughter and he is concerned about her future 'cause since he played awkward stuff started to happend....

[Jupiter]

this one again?

no i don't.

[Professional Russian]

it's not destroyed??
'cause i didn't belive that ouija was harmful until the day i "met" a guy who played and some of his friends were injured (i know it's looks like a strory, but it's not it's from a paranormal forum) now he have a daughter and he is concerned about her future 'cause since he played awkward stuff started to happend....

Well my friends said they were plating with one and asked if anything bad would happen to any of them and one of there legs started bleeding.

I think it my be my grandfather because hes dead but i have his dog tags from when he was in army and i think he follows those so that could be it

[Anselmo]

Well my friends said they were plating with one and asked if anything bad would happen to any of them and one of there legs started bleeding.

I think it my be my grandfather because hes dead but i have his dog tags from when he was in army and i think he follows those so that could be it

Make a EVP session...do NOT force it to answer

"Click record and and ask if there are any spirits there and could they speak into the voice recorder,then ask suitable questions like, Whats your name? Did you live here? When did you die? Do you need help? (it depends where you are and why etc, youl know the questions you want to ask, but thats the basic kind of thing you should usually start off with) Generally recording evp should be for about 5 to 10 minutes and make sure you leave about a 20 second pause between questions." -> from a paranormal forum, from trustful people....

[Professional Russian]

Make a EVP session...do NOT force it to answer

"Click record and and ask if there are any spirits there and could they speak into the voice recorder,then ask suitable questions like, Whats your name? Did you live here? When did you die? Do you need help? (it depends where you are and why etc, youl know the questions you want to ask, but thats the basic kind of thing you should usually start off with) Generally recording evp should be for about 5 to 10 minutes and make sure you leave about a 20 second pause between questions." -> from a paranormal forum, from trustful people....

Wow i might try it IDK if i will

[embers]

I believe Sage has already torn this topic to shreds. His argument, which I adopt as my argument too against those who advocate the existence of 'ghosts':

I made it perfectly clear how they can justify their beliefs. All they need to do is:

1) Define what a 'ghost' is.
2) Explain why their definition of a 'ghost' is the most accurate definition.
3) Explain how they came to this knowledge.

That's it. Why has no one done this? Is it so absurd to think that, oh, I don't know... they have no answers? Every single time someone dares to apply critical thinking and rationality to this subject, they're met with nothing but wives tales and cryptic warnings and hints of some long lost, unfathomable dark knowledge. Give me a damned break.

There. If any believers want to make headway in this debate, I've dumbed my argument down to just three questions. I even numbered them. Now can I get some bloody answers, or am I not cool enough to be enlightened in the spoOooOooky realm of knowledge?

[Professional Russian]

I believe Sage has already torn this topic to shreds. His argument, which I adopt as my argument too against those who advocate the existence of 'ghosts':

Yes i know but with sage sadly gone:blue: I thought i would get other people opions and see what they opposed to sage.

If you read the first post it has a note for the mods like you embers

[embers]

Yes i know but with sage sadly gone:blue: I thought i would get other people opions and see what they opposed to sage.

If you read the first post it has a note for the mods like you embers

I know that, I was just putting his argument out there as other users can't be bothered to find it. :P

[Professional Russian]

I know that, I was just putting his argument out there as other users can't be bothered to find it. :P

oh sorry then i just thought you were going to lock it because of its a double

[Anselmo]

I believe Sage has already torn this topic to shreds. His argument, which I adopt as my argument too against those who advocate the existence of 'ghosts':

I don't have an answer and most people don't have either...just because you don't know, doesn't mean it doen's exist....explain dark matter...our universe matter came from a white whole or from a tiny ball full of matter....you don't know, you create theorys that you suppose are right but you DON´T know

Just because you can't see doesn't mean its not real...the picture her is a cube...but it doesn't look like one

[kenoloor]

I don't have an answer and most people don't have either...just because you don't know, doesn't mean it doen's exist....explain dark matter...our universe matter came from a white whole or from a tiny ball full of matter....you don't know, you create theorys that you suppose are right but you DON´T know

Just because you can't see doesn't mean its not real...the picture her is a cube...but it doesn't look like one

Said theories are formed with conclusive evidence and rational judgement, critical thinking, etc, unlike what is used to come to the conclusion that ghosts exist.

[Professional Russian]

Said theories are formed with conclusive evidence and rational judgement, critical thinking, etc, unlike what is used to come to the conclusion that ghosts exist.

Theres evidence of ghosts

[Anselmo]

Said theories are formed with conclusive evidence and rational judgement, critical thinking, etc, unlike what is used to come to the conclusion that ghosts exist.

Then tell me conclusive evidence that there is an another universe less than an atom away from this universe?
Tell me the conclusive evidence how the universe started not seconds after, but the second 0...

[kenoloor]

Theres evidence of ghosts

Feel free to provide some.

[Professional Russian]

A ghost is a manifestation of the spirit or soul of a person.[11] Alternative theories expand on that idea and include belief in the ghosts of deceased animals. Sometimes the term "ghost" is used synonymously with any spirit or demon,[12] however in popular usage the term typically refers to a deceased person's spirit.
The belief in ghosts as souls of the departed is closely tied to the concept of animism, an ancient belief which attributed souls to everything in nature.[13] As the 19th-century anthropologist James Frazer explained in his classic work, The Golden Bough, souls were seen as the creature within that animated the body.[14] Although the human soul was sometimes symbolically or literally depicted in ancient cultures as a bird or other animal, it was widely held that the soul was an exact reproduction of the body in every feature, even down to clothing the person wore. This is depicted in artwork from various ancient cultures, including such works as the Egyptian Book of the Dead, which shows deceased people in the afterlife appearing much as they did before death, including the style of dress.
A widespread belief concerning ghosts is that they are composed of a misty, airy, or subtle material. Anthropologists speculate that this may also stem from early beliefs that ghosts were the person within the person, most noticeable in ancient cultures as a person's breath, which upon exhaling in colder climates appears visibly as a white mist.[13] This belief may have also fostered the metaphorical meaning of "breath" in certain languages, such as the Latin spiritus and the Greek pneuma, which by analogy became extended to mean the soul. In the Bible, God is depicted as animating Adam with a breath.
Numerous theories have been proposed by scientists to provide normal explanations for ghost sightings.[13] Although the evidence for ghosts is largely anecdotal, the belief in ghosts throughout history has remained widespread and persistent.

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranormal#Ghosts_and_other_spiritual_entities

[kenoloor]

A ghost is a manifestation of the spirit or soul of a person.[11] Alternative theories expand on that idea and include belief in the ghosts of deceased animals. Sometimes the term "ghost" is used synonymously with any spirit or demon,[12] however in popular usage the term typically refers to a deceased person's spirit.
The belief in ghosts as souls of the departed is closely tied to the concept of animism, an ancient belief which attributed souls to everything in nature.[13] As the 19th-century anthropologist James Frazer explained in his classic work, The Golden Bough, souls were seen as the creature within that animated the body.[14] Although the human soul was sometimes symbolically or literally depicted in ancient cultures as a bird or other animal, it was widely held that the soul was an exact reproduction of the body in every feature, even down to clothing the person wore. This is depicted in artwork from various ancient cultures, including such works as the Egyptian Book of the Dead, which shows deceased people in the afterlife appearing much as they did before death, including the style of dress.
A widespread belief concerning ghosts is that they are composed of a misty, airy, or subtle material. Anthropologists speculate that this may also stem from early beliefs that ghosts were the person within the person, most noticeable in ancient cultures as a person's breath, which upon exhaling in colder climates appears visibly as a white mist.[13] This belief may have also fostered the metaphorical meaning of "breath" in certain languages, such as the Latin spiritus and the Greek pneuma, which by analogy became extended to mean the soul. In the Bible, God is depicted as animating Adam with a breath.
Numerous theories have been proposed by scientists to provide normal explanations for ghost sightings.[13] Although the evidence for ghosts is largely anecdotal, the belief in ghosts throughout history has remained widespread and persistent.

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranormal#Ghosts_and_other_spiritual_entities

I asked for evidence, not a definition. Also, may I quote what you just posted:

evidence for ghosts is largely anecdotal

This right here is exactly what I'm talking about. Anecdotal evidence is not legitimate evidence.

[Professional Russian]

I asked for evidence, not a definition. Also, may I quote what you just posted:



This right here is exactly what I'm talking about. Anecdotal evidence is not legitimate evidence.

Ok so it cant be proved because ghosts are a stupid belief for some people but you have experienced it you would believe in them.

I personally think that are real because ive had stuff happen

[kenoloor]

Ok so it cant be proved because ghosts are a stupid belief for some people but you have experienced it you would believe in them.

I personally think that are real because ive had stuff happen

Personal experiences are not evidence. You just said it can't be proven. If something can't be proven, it is a foolish belief.

[Professional Russian]

Personal experiences are not evidence. You just said it can't be proven. If something can't be proven, it is a foolish belief.

Then why the fuck does stuff move by it self and door s close them selve explain that

[kenoloor]

Then why the fuck does stuff move by it self and door s close them selve explain that

Show me proof that they did happen. You can't come up with a hypothetical situation then ask for an explanation. That'd be like me saying "50 bajillion fucking dollars just appeared on my doorstep. EXPLAIN THAT."

Stuff doesn't move by itself and doors do not close themselves.

[Anselmo]

Sapphire_Flames, how about answering the question that i made to you before?

[Professional Russian]

Show me proof that they did happen. You can't come up with a hypothetical situation then ask for an explanation. That'd be like me saying "50 bajillion fucking dollars just appeared on my doorstep. EXPLAIN THAT."

Stuff doesn't move by itself and doors do not close themselves.

Its happend to alot of people and no one knows why it happens.
P.S. I got the explanation For placebo effect on the ouija boards thread

[Anselmo]

"50 bajillion fucking dollars just appeared on my doorstep. EXPLAIN THAT.".

i don't see what can't be explained there..

[kenoloor]

I don't have an answer and most people don't have either...just because you don't know, doesn't mean it doen's exist....explain dark matter...our universe matter came from a white whole or from a tiny ball full of matter....you don't know, you create theorys that you suppose are right but you DON´T know

You'll have to be more specific. What about dark matter? It's matter that exists and neither gives off light nor disseminates it.

Its happend to alot of people and no one knows why it happens.
P.S. I got the explanation For placebo effect on the ouija boards thread

No, no, no. Saying "it happened to a lot of people" and then producing no kind of proof is just pathetic.

i don't see what can't be explained there?

My point was that if there's no proof to support the claim, no "explaining" is necessary because it is an ungrounded claim based in irrationality and lack of evidence.

[Anselmo]

You'll have to be more specific. What about dark matter? It's matter that exists and neither gives off light nor disseminates it.



How do you know it's there,in your universe?

[kenoloor]

How do you know it's there,in your universe?

I admit, I know next to nothing about dark matter. I do not have a legitimate opinion regarding dark matter and its existence or lack thereof. Had I actually cared about such a topic, I might have done research and would have a legitimate opinion, supported by evidence. However, I have not seen proof for the existence of it, nor for the lack thereof. Ergo, I have no opinion. Mostly just because I don't give a fuck. It's irrelevant and you're completely missing the point.

[Anselmo]

i like physics more than ghosts and it's true that there is no particles that could explain what are ghosts made of, but we are discovering new stuff everyday(we just broke the speed if light which was thought to be impossible )....Yes it's possible for 50 bajillion fucking dollars appear on your door, but is higly unlikely.
I belive in ghosts, and i know the physics limitations for that, yet i don't stop belive on that. We don´t know how to solve some of the universe mysteries, yet you don't see scientist praying to God saying he is the only explanation...

[kenoloor]

i like physics more than ghosts and it's true that there is no particles that could explain what are ghosts made of, but we are discovering new stuff everyday(we just broke the speed if light which was thought to be impossible )....Yes it's possible for 50 bajillion fucking dollars appear on your door, but is higly unlikely.
I belive in ghosts, and i know the physics limitations for that, yet i don't stop belive on that. We don´t know how to solve some of the universe mysteries, yet you don't see scientist praying to God saying he is the only explanation...

Why do you believe in ghosts? You have yet to produce any evidence.

[Anselmo]

because a shadow following you in the kitchen is not normal....I'm very rational and i can't explain this

[kenoloor]

because a shadow following you in the kitchen is not normal....I'm very rational and i can't explain this

It's normal if it's your own shadow.

Jokes aside, believing in something without evidence, as I've said before, is stupid. If you fail to produce any evidence, then you cannot expect me to believe in any foolish beliefs/beings that you blindly claim to be real.

[Professional Russian]

It's normal if it's your own shadow.

Jokes aside, believing in something without evidence, as I've said before, is stupid. If you fail to produce any evidence, then you cannot expect me to believe in any foolish beliefs/beings that you blindly claim to be real.

Ghosts are a very controversial thing

[Anselmo]

It's normal if it's your own shadow.

Jokes aside, believing in something without evidence, as I've said before, is stupid. If you fail to produce any evidence, then you cannot expect me to believe in any foolish beliefs/beings that you blindly claim to be real.

While i'm stopped my shadow moves...during night with lights off...you don't belive it it's ok... each one have their own opinion, same happens with everything...there is always someone that doesn't belive and have a diffrent theory....

[UnknownError]

My primary school music room would always have stuff falling over and flying around the room over night.

Turns out a bird was living in the roof.

[kenoloor]

While i'm stopped my shadow moves...during night with lights off...you don't belive it it's ok... each one have their own opinion, same happens with everything...there is always someone that doesn't belive and have a diffrent theory....

Of course I don't believe. Because there is no evidence. This thread is becoming a troll wastebin.

[Professional Russian]

My primary school music room would always have stuff falling over and flying around the room over night.

Turns out a bird was living in the roof.

http://i.imgur.com/EcmPr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/L9edP.jpg

[kenoloor]

image (http://i.imgur.com/EcmPr.jpg)
image (http://i.imgur.com/L9edP.jpg)

You created this shitpile of a thread. You're done with it now?

[Professional Russian]

You created this shitpile of a thread. You're done with it now?

well i figured people could share there stories not make a big deal of it.
Proably should of put in TWP

[kenoloor]

well i figured people could share there stories not make a big deal of it.
Proably should of put in TWP

You asked if people believed or not. That's classic ROTW material.

[Professional Russian]

You asked if people believed or not. That's classic ROTW material.

I know I wasnt thinking

[Efflorescence]

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[embers]

useless thread and posters + OP request. :locked: