Abortion: Do you agree or disagree?

[Cicero]

Just wanted to see what people thought of the issue that's famous around USA :D

[Jupiter]

Just wanted to see what people thought of the issue that's famous around USA :D

i agree.

[Cicero]

Poll is limited, I'm pro-choice but have my own personal thoughts on the practice.

How so.

[Cicero]

I believe that it's justified in cases of rape, health-risks etc. but a woman should accept the fact that becoming pregnant is a risk she takes when engaging in sex. If she doesn't want to take that risk, then she shouldn't have sex.

These are my personal feelings, but I'm still pro-choice regardless of the reason.

I never even thought about that. But I believe if it is something that could have health risks than I agree. I am not really sure about rape. I'm no toward one specefic side on that.

[Kaius]

VT General Hospital :arrow2: ROTW

[Cicero]

I think that rape is justified because the woman didn't ask for a baby.

Now that you put it like that I kinda agree. I'm so impressionable :P

[Rayquaza]

I think its wrong unless theres a genuine reason to, such as if it were to put the mother or baby at risk of death. It's bad if it was a teenage pregnancy or a one night stand, its the couples fault.

[antiabort]

I don't think that life is something that anybody has the right to take. Therefore i disagree.

[Genghis Khan]

http://swiftor.com/attachments/f2/8858d1322419432t-60s-spiderman-meme-go-spiderman14.jpg

[Gaybaby94]

People not having sex because they might get pregnant is a stupid concept. Sex is not just for procreation, it is also a form of recreation. Also with 7 billion people, abortion is a form of population control. And what if the mother is living in conditions in which she she can not suitably raise a child.

[Jess]

pro-choice. abortion is a woman's right. it's her body and you ("you" in general) have no right to tell her that she shouldn't get an abortion just because YOU think abortion is wrong.

and it's not killing a living baby (my opinion). it's inside a woman's body. and if it's in the early stages it's just a clump of cells.

[antiabort]

pro-choice. abortion is a woman's right. it's her body and you ("you" in general) have no right to tell her that she shouldn't get an abortion just because YOU think abortion is wrong.

and it's not killing a living baby. it's inside a woman's body. and if it's in the early stages it's just a clump of cells.


Why does that "clump of cells" not deserve to be born just because mom is too lazy to give it up for adoption?

[Jess]

why do you think you have the right to tell a woman what to do with her body?

[antiabort]

why do you think you have the right to tell a woman what to do with her body?

because the baby can't speak for him/herself. Now please don't avoid my question.

[Jupiter]

Why does that "clump of cells" not deserve to be born just because mom is too lazy to give it up for adoption?


TOO LAZY TO GET AN ADOPTION? MORE LIKE SCARED OF A BABY COMING OUT OF HER VAGINA.

Hey "antiabort," have you ever shoved a football up your penis? How about a soccerball? Yeah.. seems impossible, right? Well, IT WOULD HURT LIKE FUCKING HELL.

look at a girl's perspective.

[antiabort]

TOO LAZY TO GET AN ADOPTION? MORE LIKE SCARED OF A BABY COMING OUT OF HER VAGINA.

Hey "antiabort," have you ever shoved a football up your penis? How about a soccerball? Yeah.. seems impossible, right? Well, IT WOULD HURT LIKE FUCKING HELL.

look at a girl's perspective.


all caps rage?

You ever pissed out a kidney stone? Most people agree it hurts more than birth does.

[Clawhammer]

have you ever shoved a football up your penis? How about a soccerball? Yeah.. seems impossible, right? Well, IT WOULD HURT LIKE FUCKING HELL.

look at a girl's perspective.

I'm sorry, but this is a stupid comparison. A woman's body is built to pump babies out. Big difference. Sure, expensive, and it's not easy or pleasant, but remember the basics of sex. Guys and girls are different.
That is all.

[kenoloor]

http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/358665e6ff888fb1ba9d861821843fa7/http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz338/iAnimexD/oh-look-its-this-thread-again.jpg

[antiabort]

image (http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/358665e6ff888fb1ba9d861821843fa7/http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz338/iAnimexD/oh-look-its-this-thread-again.jpg)

And they say I don't contribute to threads.

[kenoloor]

And they say I don't contribute to threads.

Between the lines analysis for you: there are countless other abortion threads, and this one is just another heap of fuckery that won't go anywhere. We have too many of these.

Side note: you often don't.

[Watta Tem]

I think its wrong. The girl is killing an innocent life.

[Jess]

I think its wrong. The girl is killing an innocent life.

what if the pregnant girl is only 12 years old? what if she's near death? what if she was RAPED?

[antiabort]

I like how you still have ignored my question. I'm surprised your rep is so high, since you ignore people who disagree with you.

[Stronger]

all caps rage?

You ever pissed out a kidney stone? Most people agree it hurts more than birth does.

My Sister gets those a lot and from the pain I've see he in, it looks like its a bitch but anyway, Abortion in my opinion is woman's choice

[Cicero]

all caps rage?

You ever pissed out a kidney stone? Most people agree it hurts more than birth does.

That's true. My dad has had 4 of them. Whether anyone likes it or not. Kidney stones are much more painful then giving birth. I know this because my dad has asked 3 of the leading doctors in our city, and they said "well passing a kidney stone is equivalent if not worse than giving birth to a baby". It's worse because it the stone shreds your urinary tract. So if your pissing blood and your in excruciating pain that means that the kidney stone is that much closer to getting peed out. Kidney stones have sharp edges. And multiple sharp edges. So if you want to know what if feels like sharpen your pencil and feel the tip that's what it's like. But I just commented because I saw kidney stones and I thought of my dad :)

[Korashk]

Why does that "clump of cells" not deserve to be born just because mom is too lazy to give it up for adoption?
For the same reason that you don't have to donate a kidney whenever someone needs it. The fetus is using the mother's body, therefore the mother has the right to eject the fetus at any point in time.

To put it in simple terms, you do not have the right to live at the unwilling expense of another.

[antiabort]

For the same reason that you don't have to donate a kidney whenever someone needs it. The fetus is using the mother's body, therefore the mother has the right to eject the fetus at any point in time.

To put it in simple terms, you do not have the right to live at the unwilling expense of another.

That's not a really good comparison, a kidney will never have the potential to be an intelligent being.

[Stronger]

That's true. My dad has had 4 of them. Whether anyone likes it or not. Kidney stones are much more painful then giving birth. I know this because my dad has asked 3 of the leading doctors in our city, and they said "well passing a kidney stone is equivalent if not worse than giving birth to a baby". It's worse because it the stone shreds your urinary tract. So if your pissing blood and your in excruciating pain that means that the kidney stone is that much closer to getting peed out. Kidney stones have sharp edges. And multiple sharp edges. So if you want to know what if feels like sharpen your pencil and feel the tip that's what it's like. But I just commented because I saw kidney stones and I thought of my dad :)

I think since a guy has a smaller opening and such its alot more painful

[trooneh]

It's a woman's choice. I find it preposterous that people could think to tell another human being what to do or not do with their own body. Who do you think you are, deciding how a woman is going to live, to settle your own personal vision on what life is? A bundle of cells is not a living baby. To me the baby has to be able to survive outside its mothers womb, which it can NOT in the first several months.

[Amaryllis]

Oh no, not this again. It's so damn stupid - I should just give up but this is one of the things I'm deeply passionate about.

The anti-choice movement has no basis for their argument. I've said this a million times: The non-existent do not regret their non-existence. These people who oh-so strongly condemn abortion are people who identify with fertilised eggs. Well, guess what, many miscarriages occur in the first few weeks of pregnancy without the woman even knowing.

If a zygote is so unique and sacred - explain identical twins - they're basically a split cluster of cells. Does this mean they share the same "soul"?

Look, sometimes there can be faults in the sperm and egg, in the way they merge or whatever - and that fetus can be horribly disfigured from the start. Why would you let that grow into more than it is and let it suffer a life of ridicule, of not being able to do the same things everyone else can - sure, some are okay with their lives but...

I have a half-brother who is paralysed from the neck down - they knew he would be long, long before he was born. He hates his life, he hates himself, he hates the world. He can't do anything except stare at a ceiling everyday, he goes through a tremendous amount of shame everyday because people have to carry him, shower him and everything else.

His parents feel a tremendous amount of strain and they're depressed because one day he will die - my father became an alcoholic and in turn began to abuse me, after he had an affair with my mother - and she refused to get an abortion.

That leads me to my other point. If you -know- you don't want this child, and you're going to ruin his or her life - let it go. It's a horrible, painful life and one we'd rather not have lived.

On to the next point: Do the rights of a fetus overwrite that of the woman? During the first few months, a fetus cannot survive independent of it's host body - the mother. Should we force a woman to go through 9 months of pregnancy and labour? It violates everything we are trying to create for this world.

You may be able to argue that a zygote has a "right" to live - but I, too, can argue it has a right not to. Rebut my points if you will - but before you do, ask yourself if the non-existent really do give a damn.

[antiabort]

It's a woman's choice. I find it preposterous that people could think to tell another human being what to do or not do with their own body. Who do you think you are, deciding how a woman is going to live, to settle your own personal vision on what life is? A bundle of cells is not a living baby. To me the baby has to be able to survive outside its mothers womb, which it can NOT in the first several months.

But you people still aren't telling me, why should she get to decide if it gets to be born or not? That is sort of like playing god.

[trooneh]

But you people still aren't telling me, why should she get to decide if it gets to be born or not? That is sort of like playing god.

How is this any different than you telling the woman that she has to give birth, with or without her consent?

[kenoloor]

But you people still aren't telling me, why should she get to decide if it gets to be born or not? That is sort of like playing god.

Your question has already been answered. (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1583580&postcount=31) Now shut up about it.

[Korashk]

That's not a really good comparison, a kidney will never have the potential to be an intelligent being.

But the person who needs the kidney ALREADY IS an intelligent being. You're missing the point of the comparison. The other person is the fetus, and you/the kidney are the mother.

[antiabort]

Your question has already been answered. (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1583580&postcount=31) Now shut up about it.

No, you shut up. A shit comparison of a piss-filtering organ to a potential intelligent being doesn't answer anything.

inb4 u mad

inb4 lol, i troll u

[kenoloor]

No, you shut up. A shit comparison of a piss-filtering organ to a potential intelligent being doesn't answer anything.

Sigh. Read this:
But the person who needs the kidney ALREADY IS an intelligent being. You're missing the point of the comparison. The other person is the fetus, and you/the kidney are the mother.

[Cicero]

Sigh. Read this:

You can live without a kidney, half a liver, a lung, and half a stomach. Isn't that interesting? The liver actually grows back over time! Thought we needed a little comedic relief here haha

[WoShiDavid95]

I disagree with abortion. Other than the whole killing a baby thing, it also increases irresponsible sexual behaviour in people. The only time when abortion should be allowed if it was because of rape or if the mother's life is threatened.

[Stronger]

I disagree with abortion. Other than the whole killing a baby thing, it also increases irresponsible sexual behaviour in people. The only time when abortion should be allowed if it was because of rape or if the mother's life is threatened.

Care to explain that a little more? :confused:

[Peace God]

Care to explain that a little more? :confused:
I'm pretty sure he means no condom usage.
what if the pregnant girl is only 12 years old? what if she's near death? what if she was RAPED?
Yeah, but you always resort to that line. I'm pro-choice too but that's not really an argument. You should be able to defend the more common cases of abortion as well.

[antiabort]

what if the pregnant girl is only 12 years old? what if she's near death? what if she was RAPED?

What if it is just a normal situation? You always resort to the worst possible scenario, as an "arguement"

[james97perth]

a woman has a right she can do whatever she wants in my opinion a baby or clump of cell isnt alive until its first breath and until its aware of its own existance it shouldnt have rights , and lastly it a women choice she has to carry around in her uturus for 9 months

[Cicero]

a woman has a right she can do whatever she wants in my opinion a baby or clump of cell isnt alive until its first breath and until its aware of its own existance it shouldnt have rights , and lastly it a women choice she has to carry around in her uturus for 9 months

Well you can say when babies are born they don't know of their own existence. I believe abortion is only ok if it's going to risk a mothers life, if a 10 year old girl gets raped I believe it is ok to have abortion, or even if it will cause health problems for the mother. But just killing a baby just because they didn't want a baby when those chose to have sex without protection isn't right. They should have been grown ups and used protection. Then if the condom broke go to the pill. Then if that doesn't work just have the baby and put it up for adoption.

People make such a big deal with dogs and cats dieing when we should be making a big deal when a baby is born. Scientists have even proven that life begins with the fetus/embryo

Proof:

http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

[Gaybaby94]

a woman has a right she can do whatever she wants in my opinion a baby or clump of cell isnt alive until its first breath and until its aware of its own existance it shouldnt have rights , and lastly it a women choice she has to carry around in her uturus for 9 months

This. And I believe a fetus is not independent until it is fully out of the womb, breathing, and the cord is cut. Before then, the woman can have her choice to have an abortion.

[Jess]

What if it is just a normal situation? You always resort to the worst possible scenario, as an "arguement"

it's still the woman's choice.

[georgiamay]

Believe what you want about when it should be allowed. A lot of you seem to think it's only okay in certain situation, but that would never be enforcable.

You may say it's only okay if the woman is raped, but won't women who want an abortion just say they were raped? If it's been a few months, there's no proof for or against that claim. These "exceptions" are never going to be enforcable.

Making them completely illegal would be stupid, because then these women who have been raped would have to deal with their rapist's child growing inside them. And a woman who's life is in danger would have to die. And let's not forget that they would still happen. It's just happen illegally, and a lot more dangerously in an alley way of something, which has DANGEROUS written all over it, but women will desperate enough to do it. You may as well make it legal, to allow for these so called "exceptions."

[Korashk]

No, you shut up. A shit comparison of a piss-filtering organ to a potential intelligent being doesn't answer anything.

inb4 u mad

inb4 lol, i troll u
...I explained how you were misinterpreting the comparison an hour before you posted this. It's the post right above this one. If you have any other questions ask away, but I'd like a response.

[Amaryllis]

But just killing a baby just because they didn't want a baby when those chose to have sex without protection isn't right. They should have been grown ups and used protection. Then if the condom broke go to the pill. Then if that doesn't work just have the baby and put it up for adoption.

People make such a big deal with dogs and cats dieing when we should be making a big deal when a baby is born. Scientists have even proven that life begins with the fetus/embryo

Proof:

http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

No, you shut up. A shit comparison of a piss-filtering organ to a potential intelligent being doesn't answer anything.

inb4 u mad

inb4 lol, i troll u
What if it is just a normal situation? You always resort to the worst possible scenario, as an "arguement"

Believe what you want about when it should be allowed. A lot of you seem to think it's only okay in certain situation, but that would never be enforcable.

You may say it's only okay if the woman is raped, but won't women who want an abortion just say they were raped? If it's been a few months, there's no proof for or against that claim. These "exceptions" are never going to be enforcable.

Making them completely illegal would be stupid, because then these women who have been raped would have to deal with their rapist's child growing inside them. And a woman who's life is in danger would have to die. And let's not forget that they would still happen. It's just happen illegally, and a lot more dangerously in an alley way of something, which has DANGEROUS written all over it, but women will desperate enough to do it. You may as well make it legal, to allow for these so called "exceptions."
I disagree with abortion. Other than the whole killing a baby thing, it also increases irresponsible sexual behaviour in people. The only time when abortion should be allowed if it was because of rape or if the mother's life is threatened.
4AN1mntIDwk

1. For the sake of this goddamned argument - let us say a fetus has a "right to life". Now, even if it did - it does not have the right to use the body of another human being.

2. Let us presume a fetus is a legal person - this would create countless of social and legal predicaments. Must a zygote be registered on the day of conception(A certificate of conception?)? Would every zygote be tax dependant? That's right. You don't regard a fetus as having equal legal rights.

3. I will agree with you and say a fetus is a human - but is it a human being? The dandruff on your head is human. Your fingernail is human. Your foot is human. A fetus is human. But. A zygote and blastocyst have no spine, no brain, no skeleton, no internal organs and it is hardly visible. Fetuses cannot make sounds and they do not have functional lungs(assuming it has already developed.) It relies solely on the mother's umbilical cord to expel waste, to absorb nutrients, to everything. It is dependant of the mother. And as it is attached and reliant on the woman - they cannot be regarded as separate entities and the woman holds all rights.

4. A fetus is not a baby. A baby can be dependant on anyone and it can breathe, expel waste and absorb nutrients independent of the mother. A fetus, however, is attached to the wall of the uterus, it takes it's nourishment and survives off of the mother. Only the mother's host body can be used - a baby can rely on anyone. A fetus can only rely on one woman.

IN CONCLUSION: Your arguments are faulty and invalid.

[Core]

If an egg is fertilized then the partners responcablr should step up and be parents. It they don't think there ready then they shouldnt have had sex in the first place! If by the time the baby is bore the prints still don't want the child they can put it up for adoption.

[StoppingTime]

If an egg is fertilized then the partners responcablr should step up and be parents. It they don't think there ready then they shouldnt have had sex in the first place! If by the time the baby is bore the prints still don't want the child they can put it up for adoption.

Spelling and Grammer is the difference between printers and parents...


Anyway, you think life starts the second the egg is fertilized?
Did you read the post before you?

And also, the woman does not always choose to have sex, so it wouldn't matter whether she wanted to or not.
Maybe she does not feel she can give birth?
Maybe she can't care for it?

Or maybe, it's her body and her own decision?

[BOSS]

If she couldn't keep her legs closed it's her fault she pregnant "now of course there's cases of rape as well I know" But even in the cases of rape give that baby a life. You can always give her/him up for adoption but let her/him live.

[Gaybaby94]

If she couldn't keep her legs closed it's her fault she pregnant "now of course there's cases of rape as well I know" But even in the cases of rape give that baby a life. You can always give her/him up for adoption but let her/him live.

It doesn't matter though if she decided to have sex or not. She still has rights to her body and that includes consent of sex as well as abortion.

[BOSS]

Picture yourself as a woman who was raped, are you willing to have your vagina torn apart even though you didn't ask for it?

You know what I'm not even gonna argue with yall. This is America Dang It where all entitled to our own opinion and If you don't agree with mine so be it.

[Jess]

You can always give her/him up for adoption but let her/him live.

what are you to tell me what to do with my own body because of what YOU think? if I was raped, why would I want to go through months of pain to give birth to a baby I don't want?

[Cicero]

what are you to tell me what to do with my own body because of what YOU think? if I was raped, why would I want to go through months of pain to give birth to a baby I don't want?

It's not months of pain. It's only painful when your about to give birth. Obviously if you were in the right crowds no one would've gotten raped. If you go in the bad part of town alone or if you go in places alone, you have to prepare for anything. No one would've raped you if you were with a few friends, or if you were in your own neighborhood or if you were by your parents.

[StoppingTime]

It's not months of pain.
Here are just a few symptoms for you:


Morning Sickness (Sometimes extreme, which requires immediate attention.
Ectopic Pregnancy (When the egg is implanted in the fallopian tube instead of the uterus.
Intense abdomen pain (contractions, possibly Ectopic, many other possibilities as well)
Possibility of preterm labor (which can causer a whole host of problems, some of which even life threatening to the mother, baby, or both)
Vaginal bleeding. Again, this could be any number of things, something may have teared etc...
Regular headaches or migraines
Swelling, just about anywhere.


There are just a few symptoms.
Would you want to have go through that, no matter what?

It's only painful when your about to give birth.

Survey says: NO!


Obviously if you were in the right crowds no one would've gotten raped.

Again, this is not at all true. Sometimes, her boyfriend will rape her, impregnate her, and leave. There are so many different possibilities, and it happens a lot more than you'd think.


If you go in the bad part of town alone or if you go in places alone, you have to prepare for anything. No one would've raped you if you were with a few friends, or if you were in your own neighborhood or if you were by your parents.

You shouldn't have to limit your life to this extent. Never go anywhere alone. Never do this, never do that.
And like Eric said, it'll happen to you even by your so called "friends"

Even though it's her body, it isn't her choice?


Forgot the source ;)

Source. (http://www.parents.com/pregnancy/complications/)

[Jupiter]

It's not months of pain. It's only painful when your about to give birth.

REALLY THEN? Do you know what it is like to have your stomach stretched to something the size of a watermelon?

Obviously if you were in the right crowds no one would've gotten raped. If you go in the bad part of town alone or if you go in places alone, you have to prepare for anything.

Wrong. If an 11 year old was sleeping in her own bed, and her dad came in and raped her, is that a bad "crowd?" Or how about if that same 11 year old was sleeping, and her house was broken into. Then raped.

No one would've raped you if you were with a few friends, or if you were in your own neighborhood or if you were by your parents.

haha. nope. have you ever heard of being raped by one of your parents? OR YOUR "FRIENDS?"

[Jess]

It's not months of pain.

what the hell. yes it is.

Obviously if you were in the right crowds no one would've gotten raped. If you go in the bad part of town alone or if you go in places alone, you have to prepare for anything. No one would've raped you if you were with a few friends, or if you were in your own neighborhood or if you were by your parents.

*facepalm*

are you blaming the victim for being raped? that is just sick.

[trooneh]

It's not months of pain. It's only painful when your about to give birth. Obviously if you were in the right crowds no one would've gotten raped. If you go in the bad part of town alone or if you go in places alone, you have to prepare for anything. No one would've raped you if you were with a few friends, or if you were in your own neighborhood or if you were by your parents.

You think that rapes only happen in bad parts of town? There have been a series of sexual assaults on the Esplanade in Boston, which is considered a good part of town, though it is a park which gets dangerous in the night time hours. You also think that there isn't lots of pain? Look at Steve's post. You sound like you're blaming the victim for the rape. That's repulsive and completely wrong. Plenty of girls are raped as a result of home invasion as well as walking in their own neighborhood. What about cases of rape where one of the parents is involved? Would you still blame the victim? You are a complete idiot and a male chauvinist, and you are completely repulsive.

[Donkey]

You are a complete idiot and a male chauvinist, and you are completely repulsive.

Criticise the argument, not the person, Sean. Bashing is not tolerated.

[antiabort]

I'm against abortion but are you seriously blaming the woman for getting raped? Take that crap back to 4chan, dude.

[Vonn]

Abortion is disgusting and should be very much illegal. Giving couples the right to kill the full-grown, sentient baby that is obviously completely alive from the second the sperm and egg have their little powwow? I don't think so. That shit is nasty, y'all. We should force every pregnant woman to go through with their nine~month ordeal. Teenage moms? So long, childhood! Rape? You'll walk it off! Can't afford shit? Sucks to be you! Your man walk out on you? Who cares! The baby's life is the priority here, no ifs, ands, or buts. And then when there are all these neglected, unwanted babies crawling all over the place and taxing their parents' emotional and financial resources like whoa, who are we going to blame? Who gives a fuck! The babies are alive and that's all that matters. Whatever happens to them after they've popped out of their mother's hoohah is a personal problem because as soon as the babies are out and about, everybody else stops pretending to give a flying fuck.

I am so goddamn sick of people comparing abortion to walking into a preschool and going on a slashing spree. There is a very big difference between terminating a serious future problem before it can really start and murdering already-living babies for ~*fun*~.

[Jess]

Abortion is disgusting and should be very much illegal. Giving couples the right to kill the full-grown, sentient baby that is obviously completely alive from the second the sperm and egg have their little powwow? I don't think so. That shit is nasty, y'all. We should force every pregnant woman to go through with their nine~month ordeal. Teenage moms? So long, childhood! Rape? You'll walk it off! Can't afford shit? Sucks to be you! Your man walk out on you? Who cares! The baby's life is the priority here, no ifs, ands, or buts. And then when there are all these neglected, unwanted babies crawling all over the place and taxing their parents' emotional and financial resources like whoa, who are we going to blame? Who gives a fuck! The babies are alive and that's all that matters. Whatever happens to them after they've popped out of their mother's hoohah is a personal problem because as soon as the babies are out and about, everybody else stops pretending to give a flying fuck.

I am so goddamn sick of people comparing abortion to walking into a preschool and going on a slashing spree. There is a very big difference between terminating a serious future problem before it can really start and murdering already-living babies for ~*fun*~.

+∞

almost missed your sarcasm :P

[Professional Russian]

Abortion is disgusting and should be very much illegal. Giving couples the right to kill the full-grown, sentient baby that is obviously completely alive from the second the sperm and egg have their little powwow? I don't think so. That shit is nasty, y'all. We should force every pregnant woman to go through with their nine~month ordeal. Teenage moms? So long, childhood! Rape? You'll walk it off! Can't afford shit? Sucks to be you! Your man walk out on you? Who cares! The baby's life is the priority here, no ifs, ands, or buts. And then when there are all these neglected, unwanted babies crawling all over the place and taxing their parents' emotional and financial resources like whoa, who are we going to blame? Who gives a fuck! The babies are alive and that's all that matters. Whatever happens to them after they've popped out of their mother's hoohah is a personal problem because as soon as the babies are out and about, everybody else stops pretending to give a flying fuck.

I am so goddamn sick of people comparing abortion to walking into a preschool and going on a slashing spree. There is a very big difference between terminating a serious future problem before it can really start and murdering already-living babies for ~*fun*~.

I agree 100%

[antiabort]

I agree 100%

He was being sarcastic LOL

[StoppingTime]

I agree 100%

Please tell me you recognized his sarcasm.

[Jupiter]

Please tell me you recognized his sarcasm.

I THINK he meant the end?

but I agree.

[Professional Russian]

I THINK he meant the end?

but I agree.

I did mean the end

[Cicero]

I THINK he meant the end?

but I agree.

I didn't know your sister got raped sorry ok. But USSUALLY It happens for being around the wrong crowds. It's not always the case getting raped by your parents. Most cases you hear is someone getting raped cause they went partying or something.

[trooneh]

I didn't know your sister got raped sorry ok. But USSUALLY It happens for being around the wrong crowds. It's not always the case getting raped by your parents. Most cases you hear is someone getting raped cause they went partying or something.

I'm sure that explains the Catholic Priest scandal, as well as the rape victims at Penn State, and the rapes that are commonplace in war, and the 11 year old girl raped by 20 men and teen boys. (http://www.kwtx.com/news/headlines/Texas_Teen_Admits_Role_In_Gang_Rape_Of_Texas_Girl_137850838.html?ref=838) I'm sure that they all hung out in the wrong crowd, yep, that explains it.

[Gaybaby94]

Abortion is disgusting and should be very much illegal. Giving couples the right to kill the full-grown, sentient baby that is obviously completely alive from the second the sperm and egg have their little powwow? I don't think so. That shit is nasty, y'all. We should force every pregnant woman to go through with their nine~month ordeal. Teenage moms? So long, childhood! Rape? You'll walk it off! Can't afford shit? Sucks to be you! Your man walk out on you? Who cares! The baby's life is the priority here, no ifs, ands, or buts. And then when there are all these neglected, unwanted babies crawling all over the place and taxing their parents' emotional and financial resources like whoa, who are we going to blame? Who gives a fuck! The babies are alive and that's all that matters. Whatever happens to them after they've popped out of their mother's hoohah is a personal problem because as soon as the babies are out and about, everybody else stops pretending to give a flying fuck.

I am so goddamn sick of people comparing abortion to walking into a preschool and going on a slashing spree. There is a very big difference between terminating a serious future problem before it can really start and murdering already-living babies for ~*fun*~.

Lol I love sarcasm.

[Blind bat]

I'm sure that explains the Catholic Priest scandal, as well as the rape victims at Penn State, and the rapes that are commonplace in war, and the 11 year old girl raped by 20 men and teen boys. (http://www.kwtx.com/news/headlines/Texas_Teen_Admits_Role_In_Gang_Rape_Of_Texas_Girl_137850838.html?ref=838) I'm sure that they all hung out in the wrong crowd, yep, that explains it.

Everyone's being such a jerk to Balboa when this is supposed to be a Debate form. Not a form where you criticize other people. But I think it's sick when Priests do that. But remember they weren't really apart of the faith if they'd do such a thing. Their are such things as Fake Christians. It's like if I were to say I hate all Arabs cause of 9/11. I shouldn't hate all Arabs right? Just as you shouldn't blame the whole religion for doing what a few people did wrong.

[trooneh]

Everyone's being such a jerk to Balboa when this is supposed to be a Debate form. Not a form where you criticize other people. But I think it's sick when Priests do that. But remember they weren't really apart of the faith if they'd do such a thing. Their are such things as Fake Christians. It's like if I were to say I hate all Arabs cause of 9/11. I shouldn't hate all Arabs right? Just as you shouldn't blame the whole religion for doing what a few people did wrong.

Yes, I bashed him in one of my posts, but I provided the Catholic priest scandal as an example of where the victims of rape were completely not at fault, but instead taken advantage of by a person they trust.

[antiabort]

Everyone's being such a jerk to Balboa when this is supposed to be a Debate form.

i know, they act like ass holes and then say "but we're only debating!" No, debating doesn't mean act like a douche to people who don't agree with you.

[Blind bat]

And a babies life is very important. If someone decided to have sex and the father left they should stil have the baby. If they got raped that's different. But if they decided to have sex without protection or anything it's their faults.

[jayy]

I belive it should be the womans choice. Its not up to the government or other people. Its her body n her baby.

[Blind bat]

Yes, I bashed him in one of my posts, but I provided the Catholic priest scandal as an example of where the victims of rape were completely not at fault, but instead taken advantage of by a person they trust.

That's ONE INCIDENT. not everyone is perfect. It's like what I said above about Arabs. Your categorizing all catholics under incidents that obviously true Catholics would have never done. Just like how all Arabs wouldn't kill thousands of people.
When you have lived a perfect life, then you can judge if you have lived a sinless perfect life then you can critize balboa. But you haven't. Maybe instead of ALL OF YOU CRITICIZING HIS BELIEVES you should say well I disagree because of this this and this. Not insult him and his personal beliefs obviously their aren't many Christians here. But you go into Italy and say this stuff, the Catholics would be all up in your face with all of you criticizing the belief in god. Not only do Catholics believe in a higher being but Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, and many other people believe in a higher being. Which for a lot of them, gives their life purpose and meaning. I live in america and I know that where I live theirs a lot of Catholics.
So you should address the debate and not criticize balboa.

[trooneh]

That's ONE INCIDENT. not everyone is perfect. It's like what I said above about Arabs. Your categorizing all catholics under incidents that obviously true Catholics would have never done. Just like how all Arabs wouldn't kill thousands of people.
When you have lived a perfect life, then you can judge if you have lived a sinless perfect life then you can critize balboa. But you haven't. Maybe instead of ALL OF YOU CRITICIZING HIS BELIEVES you should say well I disagree because of this this and this. Not insult him and his personal beliefs obviously their aren't many Christians here. But you go into Italy and say this stuff, the Catholics would be all up in your face with all of you criticizing the belief in god. Not only do Catholics believe in a higher being but Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, and many other people believe in a higher being. Which for a lot of them, gives their life purpose and meaning. I live in america and I know that where I live theirs a lot of Catholics.
So you should address the debate and not criticize balboa.

I'm not categorizing Catholics by bringing up the Catholic Church scandal, I'm refuting his Rocky Balboa's suggestion that rape victims are in some way responsible for their rape. I do disagree with his religious views, and I have expressed this in other situations, but in this one you're completely wrong about the purpose of my posts right now.

[embers]

Okay, guys. Shitstorm over, this thread is tilting too fast to be recovered.

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