Why you shouldn't smoke fake weed!

[DaylightDusk]

Well i am a very experienced druggie, not proud of it though for a young age.... Well i have smoked many things, snorted pills, and drank/ate psycadelics. Well fake weed can be a great high and also a terrifying high. It's like 4-100 times stronger than real weed... Your heart races and you hear things that arnt real. Then you start seeing shit and next thing you know your on a girls lap crying and freaking out scarying the life out of your friends.... I almost lost my life cause i was close to Cardiac Arrest... So i am asking you please don't smoke that stuff, it's not worth it.

[antiabort]

How do you know you were close to cardiac arrest? Not disagreeing with you, fake weed is some bad shit, just wondering.

[DaylightDusk]

The stuff is smoked has JWH.... alot of it. My heart was hurting and it was beating extremly fast! Idk i freaked out bad.... but i don't regret it, i love having trips like that xD

[northskater110]

You had a freak out. When you freakout, you over think things. Fake weed is bad, don't do it.

[Sordid Saint]

While I don't think that you were going into cardiac arrest, I know that you will FEEL like your body is shutting down on some very rare occasions while you smoke the JWH agonists. I know that you won't really have a heart attack because I've felt like that many times when I used to smoke any of the fake weed, but I never ended up going to the hospital or anything. I just had to sit and relax for a while and then all was good. I was also smoking 1.5 - 2 bags of it a DAY mostly shared between one or two other people. We had some shit called Relaxinol and Cloud 9 that was INSANELY potent. Also Mary Joy made me feel like I was going to die as well lol. It's really terrible stuff, it gets you so addicted, you feel like you need it aas much as crack.

I really wouldn't recommend smoking the fake shit, but some of it really is fun if you get the potent shit :D

[Ambrosia]

You had a freak out. When you freakout, you over think things. Fake weed is bad, don't do it.

Exactly. It may have felt like you were close to it, but I highly doubt you were. Fake weed is in no way good (Not that I'm saying you should go smoke marijuana instead).

[aperson444]

There have been reports of cardiac arrhythmia and the like from synthetic cannabinoids. I've probably told this story a shit ton here, but before I decided to smoke real weed, I dabbled in two synthetic cannabinoids which I bought in crystalline form (JWH250/018). Not that fun, although 250 was quite relaxing on its own. JWH018 just knocked me out. No real heart problems. I think that issue rises when you smoke too much. I once gave my friend 50 mg of a 2:1 ratio of JWH250/018 crystal. Instead of taking the dose I told him to take (really small, around 5-10 mg), he vaped off about 20-25 mg off of a spoon. Ended up thinking he had a heart attack and nearly called 911. The problem with Spice and incense is that there's no indication of cannabinoid levels on the product (since it's NFHC). I know there are a few vendors out there who will signify how much is on each gram of herbal matter (it's usually JWH122 or AM2201 these days, I don't think anyone wastes money on HU-210 or the CP series).

As J. W. Huffman said, people wouldn't be abusing this if normal weed was legal. The government of the United States has this funny attitude towards drugs that seems to ignore adverse effects of prohibiting substances and then suddenly throwing a fit when people try to circumvent absurd drug laws.

Fucking hypocrites.

[Burn_One]

I've smoked my fair share of spice (fake weed), and i have always had nothing but good experiences from it. It all depends on the person. If you can't handle stuff, then dont do it.

[Mortal Coil]

I'm glad you're ok, it sounds scary
And it's nice to have a real person telling us not to do a drug, instead of parents/teachers drilling the same generic message into our heads

[Jupiter]

i have never smoked any type of weed.

but do you have any sources?

[antiabort]

There have been reports of cardiac arrhythmia and the like from synthetic cannabinoids.

I don't think that they are the bad kind though, My heart beat gets fucked up when I smoke legit pot, but then again, i could be paranoid and getting an incorrect pulse.

[DaylightDusk]

Oh i can handle it, it's just the way i smoked it was a terrible way and it was called "MadHatter" lol.... i recommend never doing spice its just not worth it

[aperson444]

That would be correct -- although I have heard of some emergency room visits and even reported deaths. I think the latter is due to underlying conditions though. Either way, I think normal weed is far safer. Even smoking pure THC (i.e BHO or other honey oils).

[Djentleman]

Anything with the term fake is something to stay clear of.

[botwa]

real weed is harmful for your heart too so don't think it's just because it's fake

[Auzzie 94]

Well i am a very experienced druggie, not proud of it though for a young age.... Well i have smoked many things, snorted pills, and drank/ate psycadelics. Well fake weed can be a great high and also a terrifying high. It's like 4-100 times stronger than real weed... Your heart races and you hear things that arnt real. Then you start seeing shit and next thing you know your on a girls lap crying and freaking out scarying the life out of your friends.... I almost lost my life cause i was close to Cardiac Arrest... So i am asking you please don't smoke that stuff, it's not worth it.

My only experience with Marijuana was in 8th grade, a friend of mine who lived close to the school invited me over to his house, we got to his house and showed me his bong and had a cone ready to be blazed and he went for it, offered me some, I tried it, wasn't that bad but I didn't really like the taste of it. Apparently that weed had absolutely no chemicals added to it.... I've heard some messed up stories about weed and some of the chemicals added to it... crazy stuff.

[Auzzie 94]

Well i am a very experienced druggie, not proud of it though for a young age.... Well i have smoked many things, snorted pills, and drank/ate psycadelics. Well fake weed can be a great high and also a terrifying high. It's like 4-100 times stronger than real weed... Your heart races and you hear things that arnt real. Then you start seeing shit and next thing you know your on a girls lap crying and freaking out scarying the life out of your friends.... I almost lost my life cause i was close to Cardiac Arrest... So i am asking you please don't smoke that stuff, it's not worth it.

My only experience with Marijuana was in 8th grade, a friend of mine who lived close to the school invited me over to his house, we got to his house and showed me his bong and had a cone ready to be blazed and he went for it, offered me some, I tried it, wasn't that bad but I didn't really like the taste of it. Apparently that weed had absolutely no chemicals added to it.... I've heard some messed up stories about weed and some of the chemicals added to it... crazy stuff. Yours sound pretty bad dude, hope you're ok.

[aperson444]

real weed is harmful for your heart too so don't think it's just because it's fake

Not really. If you have very, very serious heart conditions (severe congenital defects), I would avoid ANY cardio-stimulant drug (amphetamines, cocaine, cannabis inclusive, perhaps even caffeine and nicotine). I referenced a paper not long ago that concerned cannabis and its effects of atrial defillibration (I think?). Cannabis induces a blood pressure drop (hence a fainting reflex, or an urge to sit down) and consequently causes the heart to work harder. It's rather temporary, and I don't think it's very significant considering that cannabis is often prescribed for insomnia, especially Indica strains originating from Pakistan/Northern Afghanistan. I've noticed that narrow-leafed Indicas and strong Sativas (generally the ones bred in the Netherlands) induce rapid heart rate and palpitations. I've never heard of lethal cardiotoxic reactions to weed, but I've heard of arrhythmia and tachycardia. Both are mild reactions.

Fake weed is dangerous because synthies like JWH-122 or JWH-018 have extreme affinity for CB receptors. For example, 9D-THC has an affinity for CB1 at around 32 nM (nanomolars), while JWH122 has an affinity at around 0.69 nM. That means a tiny amount is enough to reach the binding equilibrium! In addition, cannabis contains at least 60 other auxiliary cannabinoids that attenuate THC/direct partial agonists. Generally fake weed is a solution of JWH or AM sprayed on a dried leaf -- usually damiana. I know a few suppliers who will say how much JWH is in each gram of plant matter, but store-bought "incense" does not have JWH content on it.

Normal cannabis is one of the safest substances known to man. The JWH/AM series were created as probes to STUDY the cannabis plants' effects on humans. They were designed so that very small concentrations are effective. Again, J. W Huffman himself proclaimed that these compounds were not to be toyed with. He even called for legalization of marijuana!

[DaylightDusk]

So this weekend i was with friends and my bros smoked fake weed and i didnt cause i wanted to make sure theyd be alright. They really almost died like i was about to take them to the hospitle...