Animal Experimentation

[PerpetualImperfexion]

Is it morally acceptable to experiment on animals to test products and drugs that could possibly benefit human beings?

My Opinion:
I personally think it is perfectly acceptable to test drugs that could possibly cure deadly diseases on animals. On the other hand I think testing things such as cosmetic products on animals is unacceptable.

[Jupiter]

I really have mixed views on this topic, I don't really think that they should though, because the animal could be harmed. But, then again, so can so many other people....

[aperson444]

I would have no problem with testing on human subjects.

Unfortunately, not very many people share that view. So animal testing is extremely necessary. For cosmetics, it should be heavily regulated but not prohibited.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

For real? There are so many downsides to testing on humans, especially considering the high death rate in experiments like these. Any sort of testing on animals seems cruel. That's why I feel testing things such as cosmetics on animals is wrong because it really doesn't benefit the human race much.

[Genghis Khan]

I would have no problem with testing on human subjects.

Agreed. If you must experiment at least fuck around with your own species, not only will you be sparing animals torture but your results will be at a higher degree of accuracy than if you had tested it on monkeys or mice.

[Kaius]

Agreed. If you must experiment at least fuck around with your own species, not only will you be sparing animals torture but your results will be at a higher degree of accuracy than if you had tested it on monkeys or mice.

I completely agree with this. I don't believe in any testing on animals however much it might benefit us, it doesn't mean if it works on them it'll work on us. If it doesn't work on us its wasted pain and cruelty for them and I don't agree with it at all.

[Efflorescence]

Agreed. If you must experiment at least fuck around with your own species, not only will you be sparing animals torture but your results will be at a higher degree of accuracy than if you had tested it on monkeys or mice.

What you said makes sense, but I wonder if there are many people in their right mind who would agree to be the 'guinea pigs'.

[kenoloor]

Agreed. If you must experiment at least fuck around with your own species, not only will you be sparing animals torture but your results will be at a higher degree of accuracy than if you had tested it on monkeys or mice.

I completely agree with this. I don't believe in any testing on animals however much it might benefit us, it doesn't mean if it works on them it'll work on us. If it doesn't work on us its wasted pain and cruelty for them and I don't agree with it at all.

Agreed. It always amuses me how humans think that non-humans are so below us; we forget that we are animals too. But I agree that testing on humans is a better option than on non-humans.

[huginnmuninn]

i think we shouldnt experiment on other species. just because we are human doesnt mean we are better than other species. when we experiment on other species especially for something as trivial as a cosmetic or superficial treatment i think it shows just how inhumane humans can really be. and even if something works on a non-human animal there is no guarantee that it will work on a human so i dont really see the point in testing stuff on animals

[PerpetualImperfexion]

Ok, ok I see what you guys are saying and you make good points, but like someone said above, why would ANYONE in their right mind volunteer to test something like this? I realize in the end all drugs have an experimental trial, but those come after 100's of hypothesis are tested on animals. Often times those tests are harmful to the animals. I know, even if I had cancer I would not volunteer for a risky experiment like this. I would rather take the meds that have been tested on animals and proved viable than take the meds that some doctor developed on an educated guess. Besides, you say that you would get better result from testing on humans? I'm not saying that's false but considering the fact that scientists choose animals that have similar anatomy in whatever system the drug is being tested on, I doubt the results would be much different.

[aperson444]

See that's where the issue comes in. I think it would be interesting to start a human cloning program for the sole purpose of creating test subjects. Otherwise we could get prisoners with long sentences some time cut off for every study they participate in (not much, but enough to be worth their risk).

Human testing is going to be far more accurate than animal testing. I think the closest we can get to humans is monkeys. Most of the time drugs are tested on rats, and many LD50 doses are determined on rats. Rats are similar to us, but have much smaller body masses and different metabolism than humans.

[antiabort]

Hurrr durrr animal experimentation is bad because they are cute and innocent! Humans are inhumane! Humans are evil!

[Gordo]

Seems like they have to before they can try it on us. I guess they could ask people in jail to volunteer and maybe take some time off. I feel a lot better about people signing up for the army rather than drafting them. It's not good if they get hurt or die, but at least we know they knew what they were getting into. Not so much with animals or when we draft people.

[UnknownError]

mfw accidentally giving plus rep instead of neg. D:

And it really depends. I don't have much of an opinion. Things that make no difference to the human race then definataly no. Things that could save life's.. I'm not sure.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

See that's where the issue comes in. I think it would be interesting to start a human cloning program for the sole purpose of creating test subjects. Otherwise we could get prisoners with long sentences some time cut off for every study they participate in (not much, but enough to be worth their risk).

Human testing is going to be far more accurate than animal testing. I think the closest we can get to humans is monkeys. Most of the time drugs are tested on rats, and many LD50 doses are determined on rats. Rats are similar to us, but have much smaller body masses and different metabolism than humans.

Hmmm time to some research on cloning and start a debate, lols. The probelm with using cloans is that, unless you change the way they develope, it would take a good number of years to have usable subjects. Besides, it would be wrong, in my opinion, to force anyone, cloan or not, into anything they don't want to do. Its wrong. I suppose its the same thing with animals, but I think its different. As far as I'm concerned, since my species evolved faster than another I feel I have the right to experiment on that lesser species, as long as I don't cause pain. I agree with the whole prisoner thing, mostly because it would kill off a lot of inmates who's rooms and meals tax payers are paying for. As long as they are there long enough to learn their lesson, I see nothing wrong with it.

[Modus Operandi]

Hurrr durrr animal experimentation is bad because they are cute and innocent! Humans are inhumane! Humans are evil!

Thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion.

I personally have no real opinion on the topic. Testing on animals doesn't sit well with me, but testing on other human beings sits even poorer. It's a bit of a conundrum.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

But experimental drugs are tested on humans everyday.

[Modus Operandi]

But experimental drugs are tested on humans everyday.

I'm aware of that. I'm also aware of the fact that these drugs don't make it to clinical trials until after years of research and development along with animal testing. I have no problem with clinical trials. I do, however, have a problem with using human beings, consenting or not, for initial trials.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

What's wrong with it if they consent and are compensated for the risk they take?

[Modus Operandi]

What's wrong with it if they consent and are compensated for the risk they take?

To be honest, I have to concede logical reasoning at this point and say that it's something that just doesn't sit right with my morals. I apologize for not being able to offer a better explanation than that.

However, I'll say this: everyone seems to overlook the fact that it's human beings who'd be running these tests. Can you honestly say in good faith that you could bring yourself to give another man a potentially fatal drug?

[Professional Russian]

Agreed. If you must experiment at least fuck around with your own species, not only will you be sparing animals torture but your results will be at a higher degree of accuracy than if you had tested it on monkeys or mice.

I also agree with this

[Spook]

A litter of young hound dogs saw grass and solid ground for the first time after being experimented on in a lab for several years.

No. Just no.

Experiment on humans- there's too many anyways.

Or make the new terrorist punishment- cosmetics test subject. Imagine swabbing coverup onto a terrorist. It would've made bin laden more attractive!

[Genghis Khan]

However, I'll say this: everyone seems to overlook the fact that it's human beings who'd be running these tests. Can you honestly say in good faith that you could bring yourself to give another man a potentially fatal drug?

We seem to be doing that to fellow animals just fine. What does it matter if it's a human being? Essentially human beings are just another kind of animal, just our kind. As far as my morals go, if you want to carry out tests to improve mankind then those tests should be done on mankind. You can test shit all day on monkeys and argue about how close we are genetically all you like but at the end of the day, the experiment lacks validity. The drug/service may only apply to modern day apes, rabbits or whatever species you are using as a test subject.

I quite liked aperson444's idea on human cloning, how if science ever brings us there we could use that as an alternative for animal testing so not only are we stomping cruelty towards species that just don't deserve it, but we're also increasing the validity and reliability of the study.

[Levy]

I am sort of indifferent on the subject. I'm not an activist for it, but I don't lose sleep over it either. Humans get tested on occasionally. A lot of humans were tested to see what effects radiation would have on the body. If we are willing enough to test on each other, we will never stop testing on creatures most find beneath us.

[TheMatrix]

There is a fine line between morality and the need to try something out. However, when it comes to animal testing, that line becomes blurred.
I believe that we should be able to clone human beings, but make it so that they are incapable of feeling. Perhaps "zombies" would be a fitting term.
Of course I realise that suggestion is only [currently] possible in theory, however science may bring something our way sometime soon.

Or, of course, we can just pray for it to all work out :rolleyes:

[RoseyCadaver]

Agreed. It always amuses me how humans think that non-humans are so below us; we forget that we are animals too. But I agree that testing on humans is a better option than on non-humans.

Animals deserving the same rights as humans?Animals BEING HUMANS EQUALS???What is this madness ? http://www.paulandstorm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/0.jpeg

Don't you remember, God made animals for humans to eat,play with, and test deadly viruses that probably take weeks of agony to die from :yes: .


In all honesty, I don't think animals should be tested on anything. ESPECIALLY cosmetics. If you want to see if your oil based lipstick is fine, do it your god damned self.

Oh while we're on the topic of animals,just because you take care of them doesn't mean you should be able to do anything you want.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_c6FqqrATaJM/TIQiHXJpuTI/AAAAAAAAAOY/HXC1ZMEzwDM/s1600/tattooed+parrot+fish.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PGvSoaafXiI/SviDSmjPoHI/AAAAAAAAHGA/fI87xN8wSdA/s1600/tattoo-cat.jpg

[antiabort]

Animals deserving the same rights as humans?Animals BEING HUMANS EQUALS???What is this madness ? image (http://www.paulandstorm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/0.jpeg)

Don't you remember, God made animals for humans to eat,play with, and test deadly viruses that probably take weeks of agony to die from :yes: .


In all honesty, I don't think animals should be tested on anything. ESPECIALLY cosmetics. If you want to see if your oil based lipstick is fine, do it your god damned self.

Oh while we're on the topic of animals,just because you take care of them doesn't mean you should be able to do anything you want.
image (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_c6FqqrATaJM/TIQiHXJpuTI/AAAAAAAAAOY/HXC1ZMEzwDM/s1600/tattooed+parrot+fish.jpg)
image (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PGvSoaafXiI/SviDSmjPoHI/AAAAAAAAHGA/fI87xN8wSdA/s1600/tattoo-cat.jpg)


DUDE! That cat with the tattoo is awesome!

[PerpetualImperfexion]

DUDE! That cat with the tattoo is awesome!

OMG what is wrong with you? You add nothing useful to these conversations. enjoy your neg rep. >:- (

[antiabort]

OMG what is wrong with you? You add nothing useful to these conversations. enjoy your neg rep. >:- (

I don't see what you are so angry about, he posted a pic and I thought one was cool, besides, we give humans tattoos, don't we?

[RoseyCadaver]

I don't see what you are so angry about, he posted a pic and I thought one was cool, besides, we give humans tattoos, don't we?

No, a human goes to a tattoo parlor and request one, pays for it, and receives it. I don't think the cat placed his shit in a weird coded message saying he wanted a tattoo.

Side note- I personally have nothing against tattoos, want a couple myself, just a totally different thing when giving animals them.

[antiabort]

No, a human goes to a tattoo parlor and request one, pays for it, and receives it. I don't think the cat placed his shit in a weird coded message saying he wanted a tattoo.

Side note- I personally have nothing against tattoos, want a couple myself, just a totally different thing when giving animals them.

eh, just thought it looked cool, i'd never shave my bird and tattoo it though lol

[Unique Physique]

Call me sick in the head, but I'd much prefer we tested new drugs on convicted rapists, child molesters, murderers, and so on who are serving life/very very long sentences. They are human (thus a full match to the rest of us) and owe a huge debt to society, anyway. Win-Win situation for both science & medicine and animal rights.

That will never happen, though, not with the amount of human rights laws covering the treatment of prisoners.

[Heavyrain4life]

Is it morally acceptable to experiment on animals to test products and drugs that could possibly benefit human beings?

My Opinion:
I personally think it is perfectly acceptable to test drugs that could possibly cure deadly diseases on animals. On the other hand I think testing things such as cosmetic products on animals is unacceptable.


I think we give a choice to criminals who have been found guilty. Jail or these experiments. No controversy (hopefully), and the criminals can get the drug/whatever instead of jail time.

[Electra Heart]

I think we give a choice to criminals who have been found guilty. Jail or these experiments. No controversy (hopefully), and the criminals can get the drug/whatever instead of jail time.

Please don't bump old threads :locked: