Mitt Romney....

[Everyday Gamer]

So in Iowa it seems Mitt Romey won the republican vote. I'm not sure how I feel about this. I realize he's probably the most likely to become president now. After the disappointing lack of changes Obama promised, it's not likely he will be winning again, either. (I actually like Obama, so I'm not bashing him at all.)

Here's my problem

Mitt Romney is a major anti-homosexual politician. LGBT is very close to my heart not only because I am bi, but I have a bunch of Homosexual and a few transgender friends.

Mitt Romney seems toooo caught up in his bigotry to actually care about the American minorities, even though everyone should be accounted for. (this is just my opinion.)

What do you think? Is this going to cause an even bigger set back for LGBT's of America? Also, what do you think of Mitt in general?

[Jess]

I'm definitely not going to want someone who's anti-homosexual for president. one of the reasons anyways

[Levy]

I'm not for somebody who is against homosexuality, another thing that some people find an issue about Romney is the fact he is Mormon. I don't have a problem with it, but some people find it an issue.

[Everyday Gamer]

I'm not for somebody who is against homosexuality, another thing that some people find an issue about Romney is the fact he is Mormon. I don't have a problem with it, but some people find it an issue.

I don't have a problem with him being Mormon either. Idk why that's an issue with people. I would look at other things like anti-gay and stuff.


I'm definitely not going to want someone who's anti-homosexual for president.

Thank you for your opinion :)

[Commander Thor]

This isn't news. :P

Chronicle :arrow: ROTW

[xDarkAngelx]

Even though it won't affect me I wouldn't want someone who is very anti-homosexual for president. But I wouldn't have thought that factor would be an issue.

[trooneh]

Mitt's less vehemently anti-LGBT than most other major Republican candidates, but is still against GLBT rights. A big part of why I would never vote for him.

[kenoloor]

I think it's silly that, just because somebody is not pro-GSM rights, you should immediately dislike them. There are countless other factors that contribute to a political candidate's ideology, of which should be taken into account when evaluating those candidates.

That being said, I really don't like that guy; and there are lots of reasons I don't, including his stance on human rights.

[antiabort]

I honestly don't even care anymore, this country is finished anyway.

[Sugaree]

Mr. 25%? I give him three more months.

[Maxxie]

I honestly don't even care anymore, this country is finished anyway.

What with the idiotic menagerie of Republican candidates we've got this year, I'm inclined to say the same.

And Rick Perry got 10% of the vote. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

[Everyday Gamer]

I think it's silly that, just because somebody is not pro-GSM rights, that you should immediately dislike them. There are countless other factors that contribute to a political candidate's ideology, of which should be taken into account when evaluating those candidates.

That being said, I really don't like that guy; and there are lots of reasons I don't, including his stance on human rights.

I read into him more than that. I agree with some of his stuff and disagree with some of his stuff. I do however disagree the most with his views on homosexuality. I mean it's not the biggest deal in the world, but I'm so fed up with prejudice that should have been gone years ago. Especially when looking to become a leader.

I do understand what your saying though. I live in Oklahoma. People weren't even thinking about voting for Obama just because he was black.


What with the idiotic menagerie of Republican candidates we've got this year, I'm inclined to say the same.

And Rick Perry got 10% of the vote. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

He dropped out! :yeah:
He's probably looking to become vice president though.

[Sugaree]

He dropped out! :yeah:

Perry didn't drop out, he's in South Carolina campaigning right now.

[kenoloor]

And Rick Perry got 10% of the vote. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

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[AppealToReason]

Speaking of dropping out, is Bachmann still going?
Anyways, I don't support Romney, but not just because he's anti-LGBT.

[Everyday Gamer]

Perry didn't drop out, he's in South Carolina campaigning right now.

Agh! I just looked it up. Last I heard he was out. :mad:
Oh well I'm not that worried about him. He probably won't make it.



Speaking of dropping out, is Bachmann still going?
Anyways, I don't support Romney, but not just because he's anti-LGBT.

Ok now I KNOW Bachmann is "taking a break", but she could be back later...... Kinda hoping not...

[Sugaree]

Speaking of dropping out, is Bachmann still going?

No, she dropped out. She ran a good campaign though. Does no one who's talking about this election even KNOW what's going on? Come on, if someone drops out, you'd think people who talk about the election would take notice. :P

[Rainstorm]

Baachman may be a hypocrite, but she's a damn good debater.

Anyways, no. I shall not support Romey. The only Republican I'd support would be Paul.

[jockguy14]

The fact that Perry went back to Texas to re-consider if he even has a chance, sees to me to be a weak point. I really doubt that he will make it. Looks like I am the first poster to actually be for Romney. If you're looking for a perfect candidate, you won't find it. I see that the big issue with VT'ers is the anti-homosexuality. To me, there are bigger issues that than one.

I would not vote for Perry because of how he ran Texas. Santorum notes on his website that he believes in American exceptionalism, which is an ideology from the late 1800s that basically says that Americans are better than everyone else and that we should be allowed to control everything.

I haven't looked at Newt. I'm not ruling him out for myself, but his entire campaign crew quit on him last year, so that doesn't sound promising if the people closet to you won't work for you.

[Jupiter]

I'm definitely not going to want someone who's anti-homosexual for president.

man, i was gonna say this.

[kenoloor]

I'm definitely not going to want someone who's anti-homosexual for president.

I'm not for somebody who is against homosexuality, another thing that some people find an issue about Romney is the fact he is Mormon. I don't have a problem with it, but some people find it an issue.

Even though it won't affect me I wouldn't want someone who is very anti-homosexual for president. But I wouldn't have thought that factor would be an issue.

man, i was gonna say this.

Is this the sole criteria you people use to evaluate a candidate? Holy shit...

[Rainstorm]

Is this the sole criteria you people use to evaluate a candidate? Holy shit...

Nah, but it's a key one here.

[Sugaree]

I'm definitely not going to want someone who's anti-homosexual for president.

I'm not for somebody who is against homosexuality, another thing that some people find an issue about Romney is the fact he is Mormon. I don't have a problem with it, but some people find it an issue.

Even though it won't affect me I wouldn't want someone who is very anti-homosexual for president. But I wouldn't have thought that factor would be an issue.

Really? Is this the only defining issue for you people? "Oh he's not pro-LGBT, he's not getting my vote!". It's not even a big fucking deal in this election. Did you all happen to notice an economy in the shitter? People losing their jobs? Families losing their homes? LGBT activism is a good thing, yes, but it's not important at all in this election. What we need now is a stable economy, steady GDP growth, job growth, and better financials. The last important thing is for gay marriage to be legalized.

Bradi's got it right here. All I see in threads dealing with the presidential candidates is whether or not they support LGBT. You can't judge them by that ONE criteria, or else you'll be absolutely clueless once you go to the voting booth. What about their foreign policy? What about their views on the economy? How will they focus on job creation and stability? Will they bring back production of goods into America? All of you have NO idea what you're going to do once voting day comes around in 10 months.

[kenoloor]

Really? Is this the only defining issue for you people? "Oh he's not pro-LGBT, he's not getting my vote!". It's not even a big fucking deal in this election. Did you all happen to notice an economy in the shitter? People losing their jobs? Families losing their homes? LGBT activism is a good thing, yes, but it's not important at all in this election. What we need now is a stable economy, steady GDP growth, job growth, and better financials. The last important thing is for gay marriage to be legalized.

Bradi's got it right here. All I see in threads dealing with the presidential candidates is whether or not they support LGBT. You can't judge them by that ONE criteria, or else you'll be absolutely clueless once you go to the voting booth. What about their foreign policy? What about their views on the economy? How will they focus on job creation and stability? Will they bring back production of goods into America? All of you have NO idea what you're going to do once voting day comes around in 10 months.

This is precisely what I was too lazy to type out. +1

[Aves]

Nah, but it's a key one here.

No. It's really not. That's his personal belief. Sorry to say, but people being Pro LGBT isn't a national concern.

[User Deleted]

Mitt's less vehemently anti-LGBT than most other major Republican candidates, but is still against GLBT rights. A big part of why I would never vote for him.

But... I thought the republican party wanted more state laws and less wide government control. Wouldn't being anti-LGBT be... anti republican? (this is why I will never be a politic)

[aperson444]

Mitt Romney is an establishment Republican dick. He's not only extremely rude, but quite irrational. He's also a firm supporter of the drug war, which I am firmly against and even denies benefits of medical marijuana. As far as I know, he's also very inconsistent and often switches between Conservative and non-Conservative.

[Everyday Gamer]

Really? Is this the only defining issue for you people? "Oh he's not pro-LGBT, he's not getting my vote!". It's not even a big fucking deal in this election. Did you all happen to notice an economy in the shitter? People losing their jobs? Families losing their homes? LGBT activism is a good thing, yes, but it's not important at all in this election. What we need now is a stable economy, steady GDP growth, job growth, and better financials. The last important thing is for gay marriage to be legalized.

Bradi's got it right here. All I see in threads dealing with the presidential candidates is whether or not they support LGBT. You can't judge them by that ONE criteria, or else you'll be absolutely clueless once you go to the voting booth. What about their foreign policy? What about their views on the economy? How will they focus on job creation and stability? Will they bring back production of goods into America? All of you have NO idea what you're going to do once voting day comes around in 10 months.

I have mixed thoughts about Mitts foreign policy views. I like how he thinks that tax shouldn't be raised, but I disagree that he thinks taxes shouldn't be raised for everyone. I hate how he(and every other candidate) thinks that building new businesses will help the economy. I don't think it will. It will help with jobs, but will probably put our economy even more down the crapper. I also hate his views on how to fix illegal immigration.


I've looked into the candidates. I was giving ONE topic that is strong in my heart and that I wanted to know peoples opinion on. Do you think half of VT can answer every question you just asked? No.
That's why I was giving one simple topic. Yes, voting shouldn't be based on one thing, but they all answered my question. They showed me how much GLBT means to the people here and how much of an influence it is in our generation.
So pls stop trolling this thread. :mad:

[kenoloor]

They showed me how much GLBT means to the people here and how much of an influence it is in our generation.
So pls stop trolling this thread. :mad:

You asked what people thought of Mitt Romney. Those who responded said that they thought poorly of him solely because of his views on human rights. That is not adequate information to evaluate a candidate. Matt was simply pointing out that it's stupid to do such a thing, and he's absolutely correct.

If anybody is trolling here, it's you.

[Everyday Gamer]

You asked what people thought of Mitt Romney. Those who responded said that they thought poorly of him solely because of his views on human rights. That is not adequate information to evaluate a candidate. Matt was simply pointing out that it's stupid to do such a thing, and he's absolutely correct.

If anybody is trolling here, it's you.

I know it's wrong to base opinions on one topic. Hsuyveklauvsukagu!!!
My topic was the GLBT thing. That was the main thing I wanted to know. The secondary thing I wanted to know was about what people thought of him. I didn't come here to start an argument with you or Matt. I came here to know what people thought about Mitt Romneys views on GLBT. I never said it was the biggest deal in the world like you and Matt seem to have thought I did. It's just a very big deal to me.

[Magus]

He wasn't in the Army(unlike perry), which is a good sign. Anti-something or not. He wasn't in the Army. That's the most important thing.

This is from a foreigner point of view(who lives in middle-east), btw.

[aperson444]

He wasn't in the Army(unlike perry), which is a good sign. Anti-something or not. He wasn't in the Army. That's the most important thing.

That's a really bad criteria... Most presidents/prime ministers in other countries served in the army, especially in Eastern Europe, where conscription was the norm (so pretty much every male had to serve in the armed forces). Unless there's something special about the US Army and their behavior that makes them different from the rest of the world....

[antiabort]

pls stop trolling this thread. :mad:

hurrrrr, anyone who disagrees with me is a troll! Durrrr

[mac42]

I know it was the OP's main concern, but IMO this election cannot be about minor social issues. It has to be about the economy and who can fix it the best. I don't mean that to be rude, that is just my take.

If it came down to Obama and Romney, my pick would be Romney. Sry, but Obama has a pretty bad track record on the economy and business. Romney seems to have a much better plan. We can focus on gay rights and such when millions of Americans are not suffering economic issues.

[Everyday Gamer]

I know it was the OP's main concern, but IMO this election cannot be about minor social issues. It has to be about the economy and who can fix it the best. I don't mean that to be rude, that is just my take.

If it came down to Obama and Romney, my pick would be Romney. Sry, but Obama has a pretty bad track record on the economy and business. Romney seems to have a much better plan. We can focus on gay rights and such when millions of Americans are not suffering economic issues.

Like I said... Many times... Its not my main concern, it's just one that means a lot to me that I was trying to get peoples take on.. I don't think I would vote for Obama again either though.

hurrrrr, anyone who disagrees with me is a troll! Durrrr
:cool:

[Modus Operandi]

But... I thought the republican party wanted more state laws and less wide government control. Wouldn't being anti-LGBT be... anti republican? (this is why I will never be a politic)

The Republican party of today wants less federal control over business and commerce. When it comes to social issues, they're just as much for state control as is anyone else.

[Gordo]

I hope he doesnt win and not cuz he's (apparently anti homo). He isn't a good public speaker, that's for sure. He seems like a fake actually and those aren't really good reasons either. For me the real reason is i don't think he has a plan for the economy or health care.

I doubt his view on homos would ever be an issue for the president to decide on, so for you out there that think it's important what he belives you might want to think about what he can actually dooooo and most presidents don't acutally do much of anything other than blame the other party for the bad stuff and take credit for the good stuff when they weren't a decider in either of them.

From what i've read, people say Reagan ended the cold war. I doubt it, cuz it was years in the works. Clinton BJ in the oval office and good economy. Clinton didn't do anything to make the ecomony good. internet and personal computers made the economy good, but he did embarass us with the bj. Bush, started a war(s) in middle east after 911. idk, seems like we needed to do something, but i don't know if 8 years of war was the answer. Obama started with a mess and pretty much made it worse.

so if it comes down to romney and obama, I'd vote none of the above and pic someone else

[mac42]

Well, for example: restaurants having the right to refuse gay people is a pretty major issue that affects people in their daily lives just like the economy.

I have never heard of such a thing.... even if true (very sad), that still does not affect a majority of people every single day... the economy effects everyone. IMO, the two issues do not even compare.

[jockguy14]

Can't restaurants refuse service to anyone? It's their businesses, if they want to do something like that then don't they have a right to (however stupid it might be)?

[kenoloor]

-pointless remark; I didn't see following posts-

[Everyday Gamer]

I hope he doesnt win and not cuz he's (apparently anti homo). He isn't a good public speaker, that's for sure. He seems like a fake actually and those aren't really good reasons either. For me the real reason is i don't think he has a plan for the economy or health care.

I doubt his view on homos would ever be an issue for the president to decide on, so for you out there that think it's important what he belives you might want to think about what he can actually dooooo and most presidents don't acutally do much of anything other than blame the other party for the bad stuff and take credit for the good stuff when they weren't a decider in either of them.

From what i've read, people say Reagan ended the cold war. I doubt it, cuz it was years in the works. Clinton BJ in the oval office and good economy. Clinton didn't do anything to make the ecomony good. internet and personal computers made the economy good, but he did embarass us with the bj. Bush, started a war(s) in middle east after 911. idk, seems like we needed to do something, but i don't know if 8 years of war was the answer. Obama started with a mess and pretty much made it worse.

so if it comes down to romney and obama, I'd vote none of the above and pic someone else

I like the way you put this. I kinda agree on some part. The presidents don't seem like they care sometimes. I sometimes don't even know why we have a president other than being the military leader.