My parents let my brother go barechested but won't let me around the house.

[SarahIrutek]

Thanks for your assistance.

Okay I have a twin brother Matthew who I would say I have a pretty good relationship with (we rarely ever fight). *We are both 14, and live in a conservative yet non-religious family.

We were in the pool in our backyard swimming the other day. *My brother normally wears a "rash guard" over his top portion, but today I guess he decided to go bare-chested. *

So I thought "why don't I take off my top also" and asked Matthew if he would be okay with that. *He was like "sure, why not I am."So we did and we swam for about a half hour.

Than our parents got home and came outside. *When they saw that we wern't covering the top portion of our bodies, they freaked.

I quickly realized, however, that they were just directing their angry cries at me. * They grounded me to my room for the rest of the night, but not to Matthew.

Okay, I know that women shouldn't show our chests in public, but don't you think I should be aloud to in my own house?* What can I say to my parents to get them to understand?

[Wakesetter03]

Hmm. Sounds tricky. Whilst I see where they are coming from, I believe that they possibly should have explained to you that they don't like their daughter being topless at their house.
I have no doubt that it a female were to go shirtless as a male would there would be an issue in public. I believe it would be because a female has body parts that have a sexual attraction and nature, when guys really just have nipples.
If they don't like you being topless, unfortunately at 14 you live under their roof and are under their rules.
If you'd like to speak to them about it, bring it up to them calmly and tell them your side and ask them to explain it from their point of view.

[Ambrosia]

Even in your own home, this is inappropriate. When you are a female, living in a house with males, you need to respect yourself and them by not showing off parts of your body that are not supposed to be flaunted completely bare. Call me old fashion, but your brother is a male. Men do not have breasts. Your mother and your father do NOT want to see their teenage daughter running around shirtless.

It's not right, it's a bit on the sick side if they did.

[Darkness.]

I would also like to say that if you have a low fence your neighbours can see you topless as well, that could be another reason why your parents grounded you. The best thing to do is to calmly talk to your parents about it.

[kenoloor]

Even in your own home, this is inappropriate. When you are a female, living in a house with males, you need to respect yourself and them by not showing off parts of your body that are not supposed to be flaunted completely bare. Call me old fashion, but your brother is a male. Men do not have breasts. Your mother and your father do NOT want to see their teenage daughter running around shirtless.

It's not right, it's a bit on the sick side if they did.

Your blatant lack of understanding what makes a "man" and what makes a "woman" notwithstanding, biological men do have breasts.
Yeah, you're pretty old-fashioned.

I think that it's borderline disgusting how uncomfortable people are with their bodies, even among their families. The human body is something that should be seen as beautiful and natural, rather than disgusting and taboo. And dont even get me started on the gender binary and fluidity and biological sexes and my usual tranny-rant.

You should sit the four of you down, and have a mature discussion about it. Ask your parents what made them okay with your brother being topless and not you. Bring up the idea that both biological men and biological women have breasts, they are just developed in a different way, and take the discussion from there.

[Manga]

Your blatant lack of understanding what makes a "man" and what makes a "woman" notwithstanding, biological men do have breasts.
Yeah, you're pretty old-fashioned.

I think that it's borderline disgusting how uncomfortable people are with their bodies, even among their families. The human body is something that should be seen as beautiful and natural, rather than disgusting and taboo. And dont even get me started on the gender binary and fluidity and biological sexes and my usual tranny-rant.

You should sit the four of you down, and have a mature discussion about it. Ask your parents what made them okay with your brother being topless and not you. Bring up the idea that both biological men and biological women have breasts, they are just developed in a different way, and take the discussion from there.

Have a conversation about what made it inappropriate for her and not him? I'm sorry but if you don't understand what made it inappropriate you really need to think more. It does not matter that both men and women have breast, the fact that they DO develop differently is the issue the parents are obviously having. They wouldn't want their son being exposed to a strangers breast because of the images it gives him (sexual obviously). As you can easily find out via the threads on here, it does not really matter to some people if they are your sister or not, sexual parts are sexual. He shouldn't really be exposed to it, just wear a top, it isn't that hard to do.

[kenoloor]

Have a conversation about what made it inappropriate for her and not him? I'm sorry but if you don't understand what made it inappropriate you really need to think more. It does not matter that both men and women have breast, the fact that they DO develop differently is the issue the parents are obviously having. They wouldn't want their son being exposed to a strangers breast because of the images it gives him (sexual obviously). As you can easily find out via the threads on here, it does not really matter to some people if they are your sister or not, sexual parts are sexual. He shouldn't really be exposed to it, just wear a top, it isn't that hard to do.

If you're going to quote a post, at least have the sense to read all of it and formulate an intelligent response before making yourself look stupid.

My point is that, despite society's idiocy, biological women's breasts should not just be seen as something sexual. Oh wait, I already mentioned that. In my previous post.

[Manga]

If you're going to quote a post, at least have the sense to read all of it and formulate an intelligent response before making yourself look stupid.

My point is that, despite society's idiocy, biological women's breasts should not just be seen as something sexual. Oh wait, I already mentioned that. In my previous post.

Doesn't matter how they "should" be seen, matters how they are seen.

kthxbainoob

[kenoloor]

Doesn't matter how they "should" be seen, matters how they are seen.

kthxbainoob

Right. If something is unfair and fucking stupid, let's not make efforts to change it. Let's just perpetuate the idiocy. Good plan.

[ImCoolBeans]

Aaaaaaand back on topic...

[Ender]

I see where your parents are coming from. A woman being topless in front of a male caries an intimate connotation. Thats why society has topless bars, and laws against women exposing their breasts in public. Sorry, but your teenage brother doesnt need to see your breasts. I havent seen my sisters and have no intention to.

[DerBear]

Yes sorry I did not check gender right away and was like "what?"

Well it makes sense females tend to swim with some form of top on even in there backyard because if someone male was standing next to a female topless, it can look weird from a parents point of view.

[canadaski]

I don't understand what the big deal is. Physiologically, there is very little difference between male and female breasts. What your parents said doesn't exactly encourage a positive self image. Try explaining to them that they re getting caught up in the flawed western sociological views. Anywhere else in the world, what you did would be perfectly acceptable. Tell them how you feel you shouldn't have to hide your body in your own home. If they still hold their opinion, tell them that was your warning and there is no need to be grounded over such nonsense.

[Carlyle]

Its just less acceptable for women to be topless around family or in public, it always has been. Pretty sure you don't want to hear it, but its something more appropriate for moments around a "significant other".

[DerBear]

It is not about the small diffrences in body its about the mental factors that women have always been the ones to cover up that area where men are not as likely to cover up his chest. God give me strenth it is not that hard to understand

[Rayquaza]

In a nutshell:
People don't find a flat chest on a guy as sexual as boobs on a woman, and would be considered inappropriate.

[christcenteredlife]

Right. If something is unfair and fucking stupid, let's not make efforts to change it. Let's just perpetuate the idiocy. Good plan.

here's an idea, they can move to Europe. problem solved.

[christianteen]

The chest of a man isn't really considered private and the chest of a woman is really considered private.

[Ambrosia]

Your blatant lack of understanding what makes a "man" and what makes a "woman" notwithstanding, biological men do have breasts.
Yeah, you're pretty old-fashioned.

I think that it's borderline disgusting how uncomfortable people are with their bodies, even among their families. The human body is something that should be seen as beautiful and natural, rather than disgusting and taboo. And dont even get me started on the gender binary and fluidity and biological sexes and my usual tranny-rant.

You should sit the four of you down, and have a mature discussion about it. Ask your parents what made them okay with your brother being topless and not you. Bring up the idea that both biological men and biological women have breasts, they are just developed in a different way, and take the discussion from there.

It's not Old-Fashioned, it's true. You can't sit there and call me old fashioned because I'm stating a fact. What you are stating is an opinion, and what you think should happen. There is a huge difference. The human body may be beautiful, and natural, but the laws are there, and true. Laws can be see also as the rules of the household. What you're stating is that you pretty much think the world should ALL run around naked and be nudists. I wouldn't have a problem with this but the world is NOT a nudist colony, and so there are things that stand between girls and their wanting to be naked. You can't take your shirt off, as a female, and walk down the road. You will get arrested because it is public indecency. You can't take your shirt off and walk into a household of boys because your parents will tell you not to. You can wish, and argue, and state how unfair it is all you want. But it will never change.

It is indecent.

[Clawhammer]

When it comes right down to it, all boobs are is adipose tissue and mammary glands. I think people need to get over it and stop being paranoid about simple flesh. The restrictions on it are the only things that make it "bad." Sure, there's a certain amount of attraction, but in the long run, hiding them does more damage than being free and simple about them. It instills shame at our bodies and a curiosity and that inevitable urge to "break the rules."
Nevertheless, it's their home and their views, so while you're living off of their kindness, looks to me like you're going to have to live by their rules until you move out on your own. Doesn't mean that they're right, but it does mean that you owe them big-time, and it's really not that hard to just wear a shirt around other people, honestly.
If you want to say something to your parents, though, the simple fact is that he's just your brother, and it's not like anything bad was happening, but I'd first find out their motives. Asking too many questions can be one of the best argument techniques.
Good luck, lass.

[Anselmo]

here's an idea, they can move to Europe. problem solved.

Is it different in Europe??

[UnknownError]

Is it different in Europe??

Well, it isn't in Britain, I know that for a fact.

When I was in France though the childrens tv channel I was watching had a shampoo advert where the womans breasts were openly exposed. So idk.

[Anselmo]

When I was in France though the childrens tv channel I was watching had a shampoo advert where the womans breasts were openly exposed. So idk.

It's true that Europe have a little more nudity, but i never saw a 14 year old girl doing topless....

If your family is that conservative, i doubt a talk with them will solve the problem....