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[jonte95]

Shroud of Turin Is Real, Scientists Claim, Citing New Evidence:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/shroud-of-turin-is-authentic-scientists-claim-new-evidence-reignites-debate-65284/

About Shroud of Turin on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin


Hi,


Watch this:

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Luke 21:25
King James Version (KJV)
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
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Supposedly 7 people who recorded themself singing Halleluyah, somewhere in Kansas. When playing the record afterwards. They could hear voices singing with them, much higher than it's possible for a human.. quite interesting.

check out http://www.choicesforliving.com/spirit/angels/angels-4.htm
at this page you will also get a speach in the beginning of the song.

Taken from the comments: "Sound Frequency = The LAST REAL Frountier. This is a highly advanced evp recording where the HEAVENLY otherside is heard openly interacting with our earthly plane and soundwaves yet it sounds deminished or different. Yes, our sound waves and theirs mingle, YOU JUST HEARD IT! Yet, at the time of the recording, they were not heard by those being recored....... 20 hz - 20Khz. is our frequency range as human, they are on a different frequency range."

"By the way, in the section that you cut out... the minister stated that this was checked by professional sound technicians and they said it is authentic. They pointed out several why. One reason was that the angels never breathe. you can find that version on YouTube called Angels Singing (Kansas City)."


The The secret in our DNA:http://jacksonsnyder.com/Arc/2006/dna.htm

http://www.keysofenoch.org/html/dna_divine_names.html

Videos:

http://littleguyintheeye.blogspot.com/2010/01/in-my-flesh-i-see-god-part-1.html


Angel videos:

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Angels forming number 7 (spiritual perfection):

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Rabbi Jonathan Cahn reveals that the same pattern for God's judgment on ancient Israel is being played out in America:

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[trooneh]

Is there a purpose or a reason why this is posted in the Ramblings of the Wise? Is it intended to spark debate or something? It seems more like an attempt to push your faith on the rest of us.

[Slytherin_Prince]

I'll keep it polite.

....*facepalm*....

[jonte95]

Is there a purpose or a reason why this is posted in the Ramblings of the Wise? Is it intended to spark debate or something? It seems more like an attempt to push your faith on the rest of us.

Both of it, we can talk about it if you want.

[MaliciousBunface]

Why push your religion on us >_> Would you like people pushing their religion on you?

[trooneh]

Both of it, we can talk about it if you want.

So in short you view yourself as a missionary trying to spread Christianity with all its flaws regarding homosexuality to a forum in which a significant population is homosexual? That is quite a stretch. You will just earn yourself enemies by telling people to embrace a theology which openly tells them that they are not equal.

[jonte95]

Why push your religion on us >_> Would you like people pushing their religion on you?

No, but I care about you people, I want you people to believe!

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:5-7 (in Context) John 14 (Whole Chapter)



So in short you view yourself as a missionary trying to spread Christianity with all its flaws regarding homosexuality to a forum in which a significant population is homosexual? That is quite a stretch. You will just earn yourself enemies by telling people to embrace a theology which openly tells them that they are not equal.

I didn't know that a significant population is homosexual here.

Jesus can deliver people from homosexuality, there are testimonies about people that got delivered from it:

http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/Homosexual_issues/index.htm

[Slytherin_Prince]

So in short you view yourself as a missionary trying to spread Christianity with all its flaws regarding homosexuality to a forum in which a significant population is homosexual? That is quite a stretch. You will just earn yourself enemies by telling people to embrace a theology which openly tells them that they are not equal.

Best post I've seen in a long time.

[trooneh]

Leviticus 18:22

'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.'

If you continue to believe in this verse, then I must fundamentally reject your religion as flawed. Good day.

[MaliciousBunface]

Oh, you quoted the book I used to clean my locker. That's nice. If you cared about us, then why put your religion on us?

[TheMatrix]

tl;dr
Seriously dude, again? If you're trying to convert us all, you may as well give up now. It won't work.
And again with the testimonies: TESTIMONIES ARE NOT PROOF!
No matter how much you want us to become Christians, it won't work. I'm sorry, but that's how it is.

[Genghis Khan]

Your evidence is either eyewitness testimony, nature presenting vague signs and coincidences like the chromosomes Y H W H making up our gene (which apparently equates to Yahweh; God of the Jews. Of course, it quite obviously doesn't mean yeahwhales, yeahwhales being my God that fucks whales for spiritual guidance because you know, that's silly).

In any case, just remember that the aforementioned evidences you've provided are anecdotal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal). Thus, not credible. Not even a little.

If there's anything I want to get through into your thick skull, it's to stop being a pushy idiot. I mean really, there's Christians on this site that just want to get on with their lives without this unnecessary conflict, you're not only constantly shoving holy shit down our throats but you're giving them a bad name too.

Later bucko.

[jonte95]

Oh, you quoted the book I used to clean my locker. That's nice. If you cared about us, then why put your religion on us?

So you can be redeemed and get delivered by Jesus and not perish! :yes:

tl;dr
Seriously dude, again? If you're trying to convert us all, you may as well give up now. It won't work.
And again with the testimonies: TESTIMONIES ARE NOT PROOF!
No matter how much you want us to become Christians, it won't work. I'm sorry, but that's how it is.

You can check their hospital documents to see he was clinically dead, if that's possible. If you find out which hospital he was at.

[kenoloor]

Yesss, another one of these. Let the trolling begin. I was missing that prayer thread already.

CLICK. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources)

[AppealToReason]

Hi,
Ohithere.


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What is this supposed to be? Waves? That middle cloud looks more like a dick than a wave. <.<


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Why would the angel let them self be seen but only to a camera? Why not just show itself to the girl completely? And why is it missing a lower part of the body? And why didn't the angel completely cure her? Why not give her a healthy life instead of leaving her disabled? Why? WHY? WHY?!
Just wondering.

[Jupiter]

i like the videos, they are interesting....

but most of them are doctored. i'm sorry, and this is even coming from a christian.

[jonte95]

Ohithere.


What is this supposed to be? Waves? That middle cloud looks more like a dick than a wave. <.<


Why would the angel let them self be seen but only to a camera? Why not just show itself to the girl completely? And why is it missing a lower part of the body? And why didn't the angel completely cure her? Why not give her a healthy life instead of leaving her disabled? Why? WHY? WHY?!
Just wondering.

I didn't watch the whole video, also I don't know. She said either the angel was coming to take her up to heaven, or to give a message. Angels can show themselves to whoever they want, I've heard.

[TheMatrix]

I didn't watch the whole video, also I don't know. She said either the angel was coming to take her up to heaven, or to give a message. Angels can show themselves to whoever they want, I've heard.
Then you have already lost. ;)

[Maxxie]

Off is the general direction in which I would like you to fuck, Jonte.

[Jess]

sorry but you won't make me believe. stop shoving your [-]stupid[/-] religion down our throats.




I didn't know that a significant population is homosexual here.

Jesus can deliver people from homosexuality, there are testimonies about people that got delivered from it:

http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/Homosexual_issues/index.htm

suuuuuuuuure. more freaking nonsense

[deadpie]

Shroud of Turin Is Real, Scientists Claim, Citing New Evidence:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/shroud-of-turin-is-authentic-scientists-claim-new-evidence-reignites-debate-65284/

Problem #1, the site has the word "Christian" in it, which means it's probably biased.

Problem #2, I was right. It's a biased Christian evangelical site, which means it's not objective news in any way.

Also, you have to think if this is the only evidence of Jesus, that's pretty fucking pathetic. Too bad the Carbon Dating test in 1988 debunked it, proving that it was made in the 1300's.


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Like people have already said, personal testimonies are not evidence. For all we know Tony Davis could of been spewing shit out of his ass. After a while you start to realize how EASY it is to make money by just saying, "I had a near death experience and went to heaven. BUY MY BOOK! GOD IS REAL!"

There's a possibility he wasn't even shot too. I mean, if you're going to go so far to say this stuff you should show proof you were shot, the scars will always be there.

Also what's so important about this guy? He gets to survive, see heaven, spread his message, but what if a heavy Christian also got shot a shit load of times and died? What if that person was a a teenager? Was that God's plan for her? Because you have to remember, according to the Bible, God has a plan for every one of us, even the ones that die immediately after birth.

God also is supposed to know everything that's about to happen in the future because he knows everything, so that means all of those horrible deaths, all those little boys John Wayne Gacy raped, chopped up and tossed in his basement, they had a plan! God had a plan for them and it happened. That plan must be really fucking boring and stupid then.

This is why I have to say, God has no plan for anyone, God cannot tell the future, so why the fuck would you count on a God over anything? Fuck that. Count on yourself and things that you can see that you know are real.

Also, that guy is a fucking douche bag because he shouldn't be thanking the invisible fuckface douchebag in the sky, he should be thanking the doctors that saved his pathetic life so he could make money off of people's fear.



Also, this is why you already lose - you have no actual argument. It's all over the place - just random fucking biased videos, false testimonies, testimonies in general actually, links from biased sites and EVEN SITES THAT ARE PARODYING YOUR RELIGION!!!!

That's all. I'm done replying to your stupid threads and stupid posts.

[BFG9001]

Strike 2?

Really, though, try actually debating with resources. Convince us to believe in your Imaginary friend.

[aperson444]

When you smoke DMT, apparently many people claim to see "heaven". This is because DMT experiences (especially smoked or injected) seems to mimic NDEs or Near-Death Experiences. Many people claim to see "God" while tripping on DMT. This how the so-called "God" should be if religion is really for the benefit of mankind -- an inner vision. Unfortunately Christianity (among all religions) has completely obliterated that sense of individuality. Islam had culture and family, Judaism had peace and pride. Hinduism had self realization, Buddhism had acceptance. These are religions that pride themselves on one fundamental ideal. That's what religion really is; it's a way for people to be kind to one another. And we've lost that.

Your "scientific" evidence is flawed. For the sound thing, realize that sound works in very well understood ways. One frequency cancels another, one frequency amplifies another (constructive/destructive interference). Songs are made of notes. Seven people singing the same song are likely to have similar frequencies that may amplify or cancel each other.

When I encounter radical Christians I love to bring up Islam. Fundamental Christians have a strange aversion from Islam, even though it is nearly identical to Christianity (in Arabic instead of Aramaic or Hebrew).

These Islamic sites are "proof" that the Qu'ran is true:

http://scienceislam.com/quran_miracles.php

http://scienceislam.com/scientists_quran.php

OH MY TESTIMONIALS FROM REAL SCIENTISTS. IT MUST BE TROOO THE BIBLE IS FALZE.

See what I did there?

Instead of placing your religion on others, live your life to the fullest in the image of whatever you believe in. If I believe in Satan and believe in destruction of humanity, well sir, I will follow that as my own belief. But I will not force others to follow our Lord and Savior, the Antichrist.

Also you try to make "science" and absolute truth analogous. Mathematics and statistics work in strange ways. Things may seem meaningful, but are really coincidence. Science is the study of things using mountains and mountains of evidence to say that something is 90-95% true, but all of that truth could be invalidated at any point....With an equal mass of evidence.

Again, religion is not about spreading the word and forcing it on people who will not accept it; Religion is about living a moral life and respecting others. In my opinion, if God existed, God would not want us to know he/she/it exists.

[StoppingTime]

Problem #1, the site has the word "Christian" in it, which means it's probably biased.

Problem #2, I was right. It's a biased Christian evangelical site, which means it's not objective news in any way.

Also, you have to think if this is the only evidence of Jesus, that's pretty fucking pathetic. Too bad the Carbon Dating test in 1988 debunked it, proving that it was made in the 1300's.



Like people have already said, personal testimonies are not evidence. For all we know Tony Davis could of been spewing shit out of his ass. After a while you start to realize how EASY it is to make money by just saying, "I had a near death experience and went to heaven. BUY MY BOOK! GOD IS REAL!"

There's a possibility he wasn't even shot too. I mean, if you're going to go so far to say this stuff you should show proof you were shot, the scars will always be there.

Also what's so important about this guy? He gets to survive, see heaven, spread his message, but what if a heavy Christian also got shot a shit load of times and died? What if that person was a a teenager? Was that God's plan for her? Because you have to remember, according to the Bible, God has a plan for every one of us, even the ones that die immediately after birth.

God also is supposed to know everything that's about to happen in the future because he knows everything, so that means all of those horrible deaths, all those little boys John Wayne Gacy raped, chopped up and tossed in his basement, they had a plan! God had a plan for them and it happened. That plan must be really fucking boring and stupid then.

This is why I have to say, God has no plan for anyone, God cannot tell the future, so why the fuck would you count on a God over anything? Fuck that. Count on yourself and things that you can see that you know are real.

Also, that guy is a fucking douche bag because he shouldn't be thanking the invisible fuckface douchebag in the sky, he should be thanking the doctors that saved his pathetic life so he could make money off of people's fear.




Also, this is why you already lose - you have no actual argument. It's all over the place - just random fucking biased videos, false testimonies, testimonies in general actually, links from biased sites and EVEN SITES THAT ARE PARODYING YOUR RELIGION!!!!

That's all. I'm done replying to your stupid threads and stupid posts.



All of this right here is beautiful. We don't want you preaching on us? We don't want to be "saved". And there is nothing anyone needs to be saved from because they are gay.
Coming from someone who is religious (Jewish), I think what you're doing is only putting fuel on the fire, and making everyone dislike you and your religion more. It is really enough.

[Jess]

When you smoke DMT, apparently many people claim to see "heaven". This is because DMT experiences (especially smoked or injected) seems to mimic NDEs or Near-Death Experiences. Many people claim to see "God" while tripping on DMT. This how the so-called "God" should be if religion is really for the benefit of mankind -- an inner vision. Unfortunately Christianity (among all religions) has completely obliterated that sense of individuality. Islam had culture and family, Judaism had peace and pride. Hinduism had self realization, Buddhism had acceptance. These are religions that pride themselves on one fundamental ideal. That's what religion really is; it's a way for people to be kind to one another. And we've lost that.

Your "scientific" evidence is flawed. For the sound thing, realize that sound works in very well understood ways. One frequency cancels another, one frequency amplifies another (constructive/destructive interference). Songs are made of notes. Seven people singing the same song are likely to have similar frequencies that may amplify or cancel each other.

When I encounter radical Christians I love to bring up Islam. Fundamental Christians have a strange aversion from Islam, even though it is nearly identical to Christianity (in Arabic instead of Aramaic or Hebrew).

These Islamic sites are "proof" that the Qu'ran is true:

http://scienceislam.com/quran_miracles.php

http://scienceislam.com/scientists_quran.php

OH MY TESTIMONIALS FROM REAL SCIENTISTS. IT MUST BE TROOO THE BIBLE IS FALZE.

See what I did there?

Instead of placing your religion on others, live your life to the fullest in the image of whatever you believe in. If I believe in Satan and believe in destruction of humanity, well sir, I will follow that as my own belief. But I will not force others to follow our Lord and Savior, the Antichrist.

Also you try to make "science" and absolute truth analogous. Mathematics and statistics work in strange ways. Things may seem meaningful, but are really coincidence. Science is the study of things using mountains and mountains of evidence to say that something is 90-95% true, but all of that truth could be invalidated at any point....With an equal mass of evidence.

Again, religion is not about spreading the word and forcing it on people who will not accept it; Religion is about living a moral life and respecting others. In my opinion, if God existed, God would not want us to know he/she/it exists.

+1

Problem #1, the site has the word "Christian" in it, which means it's probably biased.

Problem #2, I was right. It's a biased Christian evangelical site, which means it's not objective news in any way.

Also, you have to think if this is the only evidence of Jesus, that's pretty fucking pathetic. Too bad the Carbon Dating test in 1988 debunked it, proving that it was made in the 1300's.



Like people have already said, personal testimonies are not evidence. For all we know Tony Davis could of been spewing shit out of his ass. After a while you start to realize how EASY it is to make money by just saying, "I had a near death experience and went to heaven. BUY MY BOOK! GOD IS REAL!"

There's a possibility he wasn't even shot too. I mean, if you're going to go so far to say this stuff you should show proof you were shot, the scars will always be there.

Also what's so important about this guy? He gets to survive, see heaven, spread his message, but what if a heavy Christian also got shot a shit load of times and died? What if that person was a a teenager? Was that God's plan for her? Because you have to remember, according to the Bible, God has a plan for every one of us, even the ones that die immediately after birth.

God also is supposed to know everything that's about to happen in the future because he knows everything, so that means all of those horrible deaths, all those little boys John Wayne Gacy raped, chopped up and tossed in his basement, they had a plan! God had a plan for them and it happened. That plan must be really fucking boring and stupid then.

This is why I have to say, God has no plan for anyone, God cannot tell the future, so why the fuck would you count on a God over anything? Fuck that. Count on yourself and things that you can see that you know are real.

Also, that guy is a fucking douche bag because he shouldn't be thanking the invisible fuckface douchebag in the sky, he should be thanking the doctors that saved his pathetic life so he could make money off of people's fear.



Also, this is why you already lose - you have no actual argument. It's all over the place - just random fucking biased videos, false testimonies, testimonies in general actually, links from biased sites and EVEN SITES THAT ARE PARODYING YOUR RELIGION!!!!

That's all. I'm done replying to your stupid threads and stupid posts.

agreed with everything, especially the statements about the video.






So you can be redeemed and get delivered by Jesus and not perish! :yes:

no thank you. I don't believe in him either. and you're saying if I don't get redeemed and delivered by Jesus I will die? -_-

[Infidelitas]

I'll believe God exists when I fart and he / she comes out of my ass.

Come on God, show yourself. Come to my house, have a cup of tea and a cookie. Here is my address:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bSB32_6Yg54/S98wIp6sVDI/AAAAAAAAACg/AnmGi2ldYiQ/s1600/house-fire1m.jpg

He / She must be a pretty fucking vengeful God.

[jonte95]

Problem #1, the site has the word "Christian" in it, which means it's probably biased.

Problem #2, I was right. It's a biased Christian evangelical site, which means it's not objective news in any way.

Also, you have to think if this is the only evidence of Jesus, that's pretty fucking pathetic. Too bad the Carbon Dating test in 1988 debunked it, proving that it was made in the 1300's.



Like people have already said, personal testimonies are not evidence. For all we know Tony Davis could of been spewing shit out of his ass. After a while you start to realize how EASY it is to make money by just saying, "I had a near death experience and went to heaven. BUY MY BOOK! GOD IS REAL!"

There's a possibility he wasn't even shot too. I mean, if you're going to go so far to say this stuff you should show proof you were shot, the scars will always be there.

Also what's so important about this guy? He gets to survive, see heaven, spread his message, but what if a heavy Christian also got shot a shit load of times and died? What if that person was a a teenager? Was that God's plan for her? Because you have to remember, according to the Bible, God has a plan for every one of us, even the ones that die immediately after birth.

God also is supposed to know everything that's about to happen in the future because he knows everything, so that means all of those horrible deaths, all those little boys John Wayne Gacy raped, chopped up and tossed in his basement, they had a plan! God had a plan for them and it happened. That plan must be really fucking boring and stupid then.

This is why I have to say, God has no plan for anyone, God cannot tell the future, so why the fuck would you count on a God over anything? Fuck that. Count on yourself and things that you can see that you know are real.

Also, that guy is a fucking douche bag because he shouldn't be thanking the invisible fuckface douchebag in the sky, he should be thanking the doctors that saved his pathetic life so he could make money off of people's fear.



Also, this is why you already lose - you have no actual argument. It's all over the place - just random fucking biased videos, false testimonies, testimonies in general actually, links from biased sites and EVEN SITES THAT ARE PARODYING YOUR RELIGION!!!!

That's all. I'm done replying to your stupid threads and stupid posts.

Look ""May be the most important discovery in the history of archeology.":

http://israelsmessiah.com/biblical_archaeology/new_christian_books_found.htm


Also, look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC04CgoT7gY&feature=player_embedded

Giants (nephilim) are spoken of in the bible.


http://www.christianpost.com/news/shroud-of-turin-is-authentic-scientists-claim-new-evidence-reignites-debate-65284/

Did you read it? "Shroud of Turin Is Real, Scientists Claim, Citing New Evidence".

[Jess]

how do you know they are speaking the truth?

[embers]

http://www.christianpost.com/news/shroud-of-turin-is-authentic-scientists-claim-new-evidence-reignites-debate-65284/

Did you read it? "Shroud of Turin Is Real, Scientists Claim, Citing New Evidence".

Jesus wouldn't even look like that, so even if that thing is authentic it's a portrait of some hippy with long hair. Jesus is actually presumed to have looked like this:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/nD/tb_jesuslead-lg-mdn.jpg

[jonte95]

Jesus wouldn't even look like that, so even if that thing is authentic it's a portrait of some hippy with long hair. Jesus is actually presumed to have looked like this:

image (http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/nD/tb_jesuslead-lg-mdn.jpg)

Where did you get that from?

how do you know they are speaking the truth?

Who? Those in the article/s?

[Jess]

Yes.


Look ""May be the most important discovery in the history of archeology.":

http://israelsmessiah.com/biblical_archaeology/new_christian_books_found.htm


Also, look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC04CgoT7gY&feature=player_embedded

Giants (nephilim) are spoken of in the bible.


http://www.christianpost.com/news/shroud-of-turin-is-authentic-scientists-claim-new-evidence-reignites-debate-65284/

Did you read it? "Shroud of Turin Is Real, Scientists Claim, Citing New Evidence".


you still don't get it do you? all the "evidence" you post are biased and doesn't prove anything

"Shroud of Turin Is Real, Scientists Claim, Citing New Evidence".

Doesn't PROVE ANYTHING

[Jean Poutine]

Where did you get that from?

It's just logic, you trollish troll, you.

Jesus was a Semite. He was born in the Near East. More particularly, he was a Jew. All Christianity is, is just this : a Jewish sect. They diverge at the time Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah and Jews believe he hasn't shown his nose yet.

Jesus being a Semite, he would look kind of like an Arab. His skin would be brown, his hair dark and somewhat curly, his eyes would be hazel or brown, he would quite possibly be shorter than average with a stocky build and his skull structure would be one of a Semite, not a Northern European.

White, blond Jesus with blue eyes and long hair is completely impossible. I suppose you'd know that if you were anything more than a misinformed troll.

[jonte95]

It's just logic, you trollish troll, you.

Jesus was a Semite. He was born in the Near East. More particularly, he was a Jew. All Christianity is, is just this : a Jewish sect. They diverge at the time Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah and Jews believe he hasn't shown his nose yet.

Jesus being a Semite, he would look kind of like an Arab. His skin would be brown, his hair dark and somewhat curly, his eyes would be hazel or brown, he would quite possibly be shorter than average with a stocky build and his skull structure would be one of a Semite, not a Northern European.

White, blond Jesus with blue eyes and long hair is completely impossible. I suppose you'd know that if you were anything more than a misinformed troll.

Ok, well I didn't know that. It doesn't matter what he looked like, and looks like.

Have you seen this, people? What do you think of this?:

YzKz3RuZXU0

[Jean Poutine]

Ok, well I didn't know that. It doesn't matter what he looked like, and looks like.

It kinda does considering the anatomical make-up of Jesus' face on the Shroud looks nothing like he would've looked like.

I reckon it's like being with a pretty girl for the night only the discover the next morning that there really was a man under all the makeup.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Shroud_positive_negative_compare.jpg

[jonte95]

It kinda does considering the anatomical make-up of Jesus' face on the Shroud looks nothing like he would've looked like.

I reckon it's like being with a pretty girl for the night only the discover the next morning that there really was a man under all the makeup.

image (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Shroud_positive_negative_compare.jpg)

Ok, well. Do you believe Jesus lived?

Also, did you watch the video?

[StoppingTime]

Sure, I believed Jesus lived.

Mind you, I don't believe he did anything more than that. He faked to be the "son of God", because he didn't like Judaism, and wanted t change it. He did, and he got followers because Judaism was to strict.
And on the Messiah thing:


1. If he was Messiah, why are there still wars?
2. Why is there no peace?
3. how could he have died?

[Jess]

Ok, well I didn't know that. It doesn't matter what he looked like, and looks like.

Have you seen this, people? What do you think of this?:

YzKz3RuZXU0

a girl painting heaven doesn't prove anything. it doesn't prove its existence.

[ImCoolBeans]

Problem #1, the site has the word "Christian" in it, which means it's probably biased.

Problem #2, I was right. It's a biased Christian evangelical site, which means it's not objective news in any way.

Also, you have to think if this is the only evidence of Jesus, that's pretty fucking pathetic. Too bad the Carbon Dating test in 1988 debunked it, proving that it was made in the 1300's.



Like people have already said, personal testimonies are not evidence. For all we know Tony Davis could of been spewing shit out of his ass. After a while you start to realize how EASY it is to make money by just saying, "I had a near death experience and went to heaven. BUY MY BOOK! GOD IS REAL!"

There's a possibility he wasn't even shot too. I mean, if you're going to go so far to say this stuff you should show proof you were shot, the scars will always be there.

Also what's so important about this guy? He gets to survive, see heaven, spread his message, but what if a heavy Christian also got shot a shit load of times and died? What if that person was a a teenager? Was that God's plan for her? Because you have to remember, according to the Bible, God has a plan for every one of us, even the ones that die immediately after birth.

God also is supposed to know everything that's about to happen in the future because he knows everything, so that means all of those horrible deaths, all those little boys John Wayne Gacy raped, chopped up and tossed in his basement, they had a plan! God had a plan for them and it happened. That plan must be really fucking boring and stupid then.

This is why I have to say, God has no plan for anyone, God cannot tell the future, so why the fuck would you count on a God over anything? Fuck that. Count on yourself and things that you can see that you know are real.

Also, that guy is a fucking douche bag because he shouldn't be thanking the invisible fuckface douchebag in the sky, he should be thanking the doctors that saved his pathetic life so he could make money off of people's fear.



Also, this is why you already lose - you have no actual argument. It's all over the place - just random fucking biased videos, false testimonies, testimonies in general actually, links from biased sites and EVEN SITES THAT ARE PARODYING YOUR RELIGION!!!!

That's all. I'm done replying to your stupid threads and stupid posts.

I agree.
This is in no way a news site, considering it's a biased christian site.

[jonte95]

Sure, I believed Jesus lived.

Mind you, I don't believe he did anything more than that. He faked to be the "son of God", because he didn't like Judaism, and wanted t change it. He did, and he got followers because Judaism was to strict.
And on the Messiah thing:


1. If he was Messiah, why are there still wars?
2. Why is there no peace?
3. how could he have died?

Pray to God to lead you to Jesus. I am certainly.

We see the promise that became fulfilled by Jesus Christ in:

Gen 3:15, Gen 22:18, Gen 26:4, Gen 49:10, Num 21:6-9, Num 24:17, Duet 18:15, Psm 16:9-10, Psm 22:all, specifically: Psm 22:14-16-18, Psm 132;11, Isa 7:14, Isa 9:6-7, Isa 40:10-11, Isa 50:6, Isa 52:13-15, Isa 53:all, Isa 60:21, Jer 23:5, Jer 33:14-15, Ezek 34:23, Ezek 37:25, Dan 9:25, Mic 5:2, Mic 7:20, Zech 6:12, Zech 9:9, Zech 9:10, Zech 12:8-10, Zech 13:7, Mal 3:1-4, Mal 4:2-6.

Source: http://www.biblestudysite.com/foretold.htm



Hebrews 7:11
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Hebrews 7:10-12 (in Context)

Matthew 5:17
[ The Fulfillment of the Law ] "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
Matthew 5:16-18 (in Context)
NIV


1. What does that have to do with anything? Satan is called the "prince of the power of the air" in Ephesians 2:2. He is called the "ruler of this world" in John 12:31.

I cannot really answer the others questions. I've only been a "practicing Christian"/full believer for like 4 months.

Source, more about it: http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-god-world.html


Some questions to people who don't believe:

-How come we are all made unique?
-How come there are so many unique places, like almost every country has it's own beauty?
-If you believe in big bang, how come it kinda only came life to earth?
-No matter how we try to find solutions to live on Mars for example, there are always obstacles? PS.. Can't escape God's wrath.

If the sun was a bit closer, it'd be too hot!

Many animals have complex designs and amazing attributes, like the peregrine falcon for example.

I find it hard to believe all this was just a coincidence.

[Infidelitas]

Pray to God to lead you to Jesus. I am certainly.

We see the promise that became fulfilled by Jesus Christ in:

Gen 3:15, Gen 22:18, Gen 26:4, Gen 49:10, Num 21:6-9, Num 24:17, Duet 18:15, Psm 16:9-10, Psm 22:all, specifically: Psm 22:14-16-18, Psm 132;11, Isa 7:14, Isa 9:6-7, Isa 40:10-11, Isa 50:6, Isa 52:13-15, Isa 53:all, Isa 60:21, Jer 23:5, Jer 33:14-15, Ezek 34:23, Ezek 37:25, Dan 9:25, Mic 5:2, Mic 7:20, Zech 6:12, Zech 9:9, Zech 9:10, Zech 12:8-10, Zech 13:7, Mal 3:1-4, Mal 4:2-6.

Source: http://www.biblestudysite.com/foretold.htm



Hebrews 7:11
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Hebrews 7:10-12 (in Context)

Matthew 5:17
[ The Fulfillment of the Law ] "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
Matthew 5:16-18 (in Context)
NIV


1. What does that have to do with anything? Satan is called the "prince of the power of the air" in Ephesians 2:2. He is called the "ruler of this world" in John 12:31.

I cannot really answer the others questions. I've only been a "practicing Christian"/full believer for like 4 months.

Source, more about it: http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-god-world.html

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[jonte95]

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Some prophetic worship:

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[Infidelitas]

Some prophetic worship:

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[embers]

Some prophetic worship:

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[trooneh]

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[Genghis Khan]

Some prophetic worship:

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[Jess]

Some questions to people who don't believe:

-How come we are all made unique?
-How come there are so many unique places, like almost every country has it's own beauty?
-If you believe in big bang, how come it kinda only came life to earth?
-No matter how we try to find solutions to live on Mars for example, there are always obstacles? PS.. Can't escape God's wrath.

If the sun was a bit closer, it'd be too hot!

Many animals have complex designs and amazing attributes, like the peregrine falcon for example.

I find it hard to believe all this was just a coincidence.

where the hell did God come from?

ever heard of evolution?

[Sugaree]

Some questions to people who don't believe:

-How come we are all made unique?
-How come there are so many unique places, like almost every country has it's own beauty?
-If you believe in big bang, how come it kinda only came life to earth?
-No matter how we try to find solutions to live on Mars for example, there are always obstacles? PS.. Can't escape God's wrath.

1. It's called a gene pool. You know, those little itty bits of us that you can only see under a microscope? It's our DNA. That's what makes each human unique from the next.

2. That's called terrain. It was naturally formed because of conditions. Why do you think the desert is dry? Why do you think the Poles are cold?

3. Life can be sustained anywhere given the right conditions. Water is all that is really needed after a stable atmosphere. Ice was found on Mars, meaning Mars might have the ability to sustain life.

4. The only obstacles that face us from living on another planet are pretty simple to climb over. God's wrath is nonexistent, meaning it isn't an obstacle. That also means it's pretty easy to escape.

I cannot really answer the others questions. I've only been a "practicing Christian"/full believer for like 4 months.

Alright, I think I'm going to offer you some positive criticism here. I like that you've found a religion that you feel you can stick too. Really, I am. Sure, I don't agree with it, but I'm happy that you found something that you want to share. Your enthusiasm is nice, but you can't go around making claims that you can't back up. This is why religion should be a personal thing, not something you go out and share with someone.

[Korashk]

Some questions to people who don't believe:

-How come we are all made unique?
Evolution

-How come there are so many unique places, like almost every country has it's own beauty?
Weather and climate.

-If you believe in big bang, how come it kinda only came life to earth?
I assume you mean "gave", and it didn't. There are plenty of Goldilocks planets like earth and scientists have found space bacteria in meteor fragments.

-No matter how we try to find solutions to live on Mars for example, there are always obstacles? PS.. Can't escape God's wrath.
Yah there are obsiacles. So what? Mars isn't a Goldilocks planet and living on it would require terraforming and/or a huge artificial environment that probably couldn't be self-contained.

If the sun was a bit closer, it'd be too hot!
Define "a bit closer". The Earth's orbit is elliptical and in the summer it's millions of miles closer to the sun than in winter.

Many animals have complex designs and amazing attributes, like the peregrine falcon for example.

I find it hard to believe all this was just a coincidence.
It's not all a coincidence.

[jonte95]

1. It's called a gene pool. You know, those little itty bits of us that you can only see under a microscope? It's our DNA. That's what makes each human unique from the next.

2. That's called terrain. It was naturally formed because of conditions. Why do you think the desert is dry? Why do you think the Poles are cold?

3. Life can be sustained anywhere given the right conditions. Water is all that is really needed after a stable atmosphere. Ice was found on Mars, meaning Mars might have the ability to sustain life.

4. The only obstacles that face us from living on another planet are pretty simple to climb over. God's wrath is nonexistent, meaning it isn't an obstacle. That also means it's pretty easy to escape.



Alright, I think I'm going to offer you some positive criticism here. I like that you've found a religion that you feel you can stick too. Really, I am. Sure, I don't agree with it, but I'm happy that you found something that you want to share. Your enthusiasm is nice, but you can't go around making claims that you can't back up. This is why religion should be a personal thing, not something you go out and share with someone.

1. Yes, and we have YHWH (Yahweh) in our DNA and the cross in our bodies (laminin)

2. I believe God created it so.

3. Yes, and it seems earth is the only place with the right conditions, if big bang just happened randomly, not by a creator then it's not logic it only gave stuff to earth like that.

4. God's wrath isn't non-existent. See how disasters are increasing, and look at this:

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How come people start hearing voices and experiencing other weird stuff when they are in the occult stuff? That's evil stuff, then God must also exist.

Occultists like Aleister Crowley' described the demon he channeled on par to a grey in regards to the skin, head shape, and stature.

Look at this, African school kids encounter with aliens, indeed, why'd they lie?:

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This guy talks about the cell adhesion protein molecule “laminin”. It’s the “glue” that holds our cells together. When he puts this picture up on the big screen the crowd just claps and cheers when they see it. The pic on the left is the scientific diagram and the one on the right is the actual molecule under an electron microscope. The stuff that holds our bodies together is in the shape of the cross! He quotes the verse Colossians 1:17 “He (Christ) is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.”

“laminin”. It’s the “glue” that holds our cells together. When he puts this picture up on the big screen the crowd just claps and cheers when they see it. The pic on the left is the scientific diagram and the one on the right is the actual molecule under an electron microscope. The stuff that holds our bodies together is in the shape of the cross!:::

http://ronsworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/lammmm1.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e4zgJXPpI4&feature=colike

Source: http://ronsworld.wordpress.com/2007/06/20/in-him-all-things-hold-together/


This woman has been abducted, brought to a ship, and even impregnanted, but when she started calling out Jesus, they would disappear, along with their ships. These beings are demons that shift between our world and their world like interdimensional "aliens"!:

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Evolution


Weather and climate.


I assume you mean "gave", and it didn't. There are plenty of Goldilocks planets like earth and scientists have found space bacteria in meteor fragments.


Yah there are obsiacles. So what? Mars isn't a Goldilocks planet and living on it would require terraforming and/or a huge artificial environment that probably couldn't be self-contained.


Define "a bit closer". The Earth's orbit is elliptical and in the summer it's millions of miles closer to the sun than in winter.


It's not all a coincidence.

A little closer as in one inch closer.

No it's not all a coincidence. God created it. If there was a big bang, then so he did it. Because I think if it happened randomly then there would be people living on other planets around us. Also, if it happened randomly, then people and animals wouldn't all be unique and have complex designs and attributes.

Also, since we have basic things to survive, water and stuff, and like everything seems connected, like the food chain.

I can't believe all this wasn't from a creator.

[Jess]

4. God's wrath isn't non-existent. See how disasters are increasing, and look at this:

what the freaking hell. Prove that natural disasters is God's wrath. Apparently he has a temper problem. Killing millions and millions of innocent people. tearing apart families.


How come people start hearing voices and experiencing other weird stuff when they are in the occult stuff? That's evil stuff, then God must also exist.

just because evil stuff exist doesn't mean God exist -_-

Look at this, African school kids encounter with aliens, indeed, why'd they lie?:

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how do you know they aren't lying?

A little closer as in one inch closer.

No it's not all a coincidence. God created it. If there was a big bang, then so he did it. Because I think if it happened randomly then there would be people living on other planets around us. Also, if it happened randomly, then people and animals wouldn't all be unique and have complex designs and attributes.

Also, since we have basic things to survive, water and stuff, and like everything seems connected, like the food chain.

I can't believe all this wasn't from a creator.

PROVE IT


and where the freaking hell did God come from?

[jonte95]

Did you even read what he said?

Yes. But:

Our solar system also points out an intelligent designer behind it. If the earth was just a bit closer to the sun, we would all fry and if we were just a bit farther away, we’d freeze.

Source: http://www.spreadinglight.com/contemporary/creation.html

[Jess]

that doesn't prove anything.

and are you ever going to tell me where God came from?

[Genghis Khan]

that doesn't prove anything.

and are you ever going to tell me where God came from?

Sphincter.

[Jess]

This guy talks about the cell adhesion protein molecule “laminin”. It’s the “glue” that holds our cells together. When he puts this picture up on the big screen the crowd just claps and cheers when they see it. The pic on the left is the scientific diagram and the one on the right is the actual molecule under an electron microscope. The stuff that holds our bodies together is in the shape of the cross! He quotes the verse Colossians 1:17 “He (Christ) is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.”

“laminin”. It’s the “glue” that holds our cells together. When he puts this picture up on the big screen the crowd just claps and cheers when they see it. The pic on the left is the scientific diagram and the one on the right is the actual molecule under an electron microscope. The stuff that holds our bodies together is in the shape of the cross!

omg big deal! that proves NOTHING

Sphincter.

lol what xP

[jonte95]

what the freaking hell. Prove that natural disasters is God's wrath. Apparently he has a temper problem. Killing millions and millions of innocent people. tearing apart families.


2 Samuel 22:31
King James Version (KJV)
As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him.

Attributes of God:

God is sovereign & free
Just & fair
Loving
Merciful
Gracious
Good
Righteous
True & genuine
Truthful
Faithful
Persistent
God is a person
Immutable -- unchanging
NOT impassible or unyielding
Outgoing -- God WITH you
Omnipresent: present everywhere
Omnipotent: all-powerful
Self-control
Omniscient: all-knowing
Wise
Holy

Source: http://www.biblestudy101.org/theo/g-d1.html




just because evil stuff exist doesn't mean God exist -_-


Well can you explain why people experience such creepy stuff in the occult then?


how do you know they aren't lying?


First, because they're kids (ranged 5-12 years)
Second, does it sound/look like they're lying?



PROVE IT


and where the freaking hell did God come from?

How he was created?

Christianity answers the question of who made God in the very first verse of the very first book, Genesis:

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)

This verse tells us that God was acting before time when He created the universe. Many other verses from the New Testament tell us that God was acting before time began, and so, He created time, along with the other dimensions of our universe:

No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. (1 Corinthians 2:7)
This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time (2 Timothy 1:9)
The hope of eternal life, which God... promised before the beginning of time (Titus 1:2)
To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen. (Jude 1:25)
The idea that God created time, along with the physical universe, is not just some wacky modern Christian interpretation of the Bible. Justin Martyr, a second century Christian apologist, in his Hortatory Address to the Greeks, said that Plato got the idea that time was created along with the universe from Moses:

"And from what source did Plato draw the information that time was created along with the heavens? For he wrote thus: 'Time, accordingly, was created along with the heavens; in order that, coming into being together, they might also be together dissolved, if ever their dissolution should take place.' Had he not learned this from the divine history of Moses?"

More about it here: http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/who_created_god.html


that doesn't prove anything.

and are you ever going to tell me where God came from?

I can't believe that the sun was just randomly appeared in such a perfect position.

[jonte95]

Why is everybody using red font?

It (red) makes me think of "alert" or "important".

[Jess]

I can't believe that the sun was just randomly appeared in such a perfect position.

I can't believe that God would suddenly decide to create things


okay then who created the creator who created God?

2 Samuel 22:31
King James Version (KJV)
As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him.

Attributes of God:

God is sovereign & free
Just & fair
Loving
Merciful
Gracious
Good
Righteous
True & genuine
Truthful
Faithful
Persistent
God is a person
Immutable -- unchanging
NOT impassible or unyielding
Outgoing -- God WITH you
Omnipresent: present everywhere
Omnipotent: all-powerful
Self-control
Omniscient: all-knowing
Wise
Holy

how is that proof that natural disasters is God's wrath?

if he's loving he wouldn't kill millions and millions of people



oh and if God is all powerful, why didn't he stop the Holocaust, huh?

[jonte95]

I can't believe that God would suddenly decide to create things


okay then who created the creator who created God?



how is that proof that natural disasters is God's wrath?

if he's loving he wouldn't kill millions and millions of people



oh and if God is all powerful, why didn't he stop the Holocaust, huh?

I don't know. Ask at www.christianforums.com for better answer/s.

[jonte95]

That's how you respond to a debate question? "I don't know"?

I don't know so much yet, I've only been a full believer/practicing Christian for like 4 months.

[Jess]

and you're already trying to shove your religion on others?

[jonte95]

and you're already trying to shove your religion on others?

Yes but I realize it just doesn't work. It's sad how Satan blinds non-believers. But I am praying.

[Jess]

I don't believe in Satan either..*facepalm* so I don't believe he's blinding me -_-

speaking of Satan, where did HE come from?

[jonte95]

I don't believe in Satan either..*facepalm* so I don't believe he's blinding me -_-

speaking of Satan, where did HE come from?

What do you mean?

Read that "The Origin of Satan":
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/lucifer.html

[aperson444]

I'm actually a big fan of Satanism and Satanic Paganism. To me Satan and Satan's representation in Christianity are analogous to free will versus the tyranny of "purity", which is something no human has. All humans are evil, and thus God is the oppressor; the hand of tyranny, forcing us to be something we clearly are not.

Now, I don't really believe in a Judaeo-Christian God, but I'm drawing analogies here. If God gave us free will, then why not use it? If God is really benevolent, why does he judge?

[jonte95]

I'm actually a big fan of Satanism and Satanic Paganism. To me Satan and Satan's representation in Christianity are analogous to free will versus the tyranny of "purity", which is something no human has. All humans are evil, and thus God is the oppressor; the hand of tyranny, forcing us to be something we clearly are not.

Now, I don't really believe in a Judaeo-Christian God, but I'm drawing analogies here. If God gave us free will, then why not use it? If God is really benevolent, why does he judge?

God knows the best for us.

[Genghis Khan]

God knows the best for us.

Lol. He's a sadomasochistic dictator. He advocates that his sense of morality is superior to all others, threatens you, makes you fearful of fulfilling your desires as a human being and does not inspire you to think critically either. He's made you a slave.

Satan (as a character) was infinitely better. He encouraged humans to think for themselves and to not be embarrassed about their natural form or instinctual desires i.e. sex. Not to mention he wasn't much of a fan of systematic genocide which evidently Yahweh was. In fact, the scent of blood was pleasing to God.

[jonte95]

Lol. He's a sadomasochistic dictator. He advocates that his sense of morality is superior to all others, threatens you, makes you fearful of fulfilling your desires as a human being and does not inspire you to think critically either. He's made you a slave.

Satan (as a character) was infinitely better. He encouraged humans to think for themselves and to not be embarrassed about their natural form or instinctual desires i.e. sex. Not to mention he wasn't much of a fan of systematic genocide which evidently Yahweh was. In fact, the scent of blood was pleasing to God.

Satan has infiltrated the music industry, the newsmedia, Hollywood, government and the corporate world as well. Satan is working relentlessly to corrupt the masses.

Satan is a liar, a deciever, and he hates us because we are made in God's image. No, God isn't a "sadomasochistic dictator". God has made me a slave? Well I'd rather be a slave to God. Than a slave to sin which I've been.

Again, whatever you think or say, God still, always knows the best for us, he created humanity.

I am praying, for Jesus to open peoples eyes and hearts and lead people to Jesus!

God bless you all!

[Jess]

Satan has infiltrated the music industry, the newsmedia, Hollywood, government and the corporate world as well. Satan is working relentlessly to corrupt the masses.

mhmm sure

I am praying, for Jesus to open peoples eyes and hearts and lead people to Jesus!

God bless you all!

you need to stop saying that. it's never going to work. I will never believe. go believe whatever you want but you need to stop shoving it down on those that don't.

[Jean Poutine]

I am praying, for Jesus to open peoples eyes and hearts and lead people to Jesus!

You know, you're not the only one who saw Jesus. I saw Jesus too, and I was not impressed. Stop feeling special.

He's a Spanish teacher at my university.

[TheMatrix]

It (red) makes me think of "alert" or "important".
It's also the colour that moderators use to edit posts. Keep use of it to a minimum, please.

I don't know. Ask at www.christianforums.com for better answer/s.
And this is basically where both you and your case fail. You can't just go around advertising other forums, telling people to "go there to get better answers". The purpose of debate is for you to debate something, not just refer it to others and take credit.

Yes but I realize it just doesn't work. It's sad how Satan blinds non-believers. But I am praying.
So.....basically you may as well stop trying to shove it down our throats, especially when you know it won't work.
I suggest that if you want to continue sharing your mediations, please post them in TWPR, that way we won't need to continue going in circles.

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