Why do you people hate republicans so much?

[antiabort]

I don't get it, half of the post i see are "REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL! REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID! IF YOU LIKE THEM YOU ARE A REDNECK!" Seriously guys? I thought this was a mature forum, not youtube.

[AppealToReason]

I'm pretty sure the hate here is equal to all politicians, not just one party.

[Jess]

it's not just Republicans...-_-

[antiabort]

it's not just Republicans...-_-

I don't see you people hating on Obama.

[kenoloor]

I don't see you people hating on Obama.

You're not looking hard enough. This forum has a strong liberal bias, but everyone hates on everyone at some point in time. Whining only makes you more of a target.

[Genghis Khan]

I don't see you people hating on Obama.

I can not wait for Obama to be out of office.

I imagine the lack of hate towards him is either due to the strong-liberal bias here or the fact that the people who do hate him here have the worst justifications for it, some of them keep their mouth shut but often you get shit like

hes a liberal pussy that is against war

And so forth.

I'm sure you can understand and so humbly forgive us for not listening to the voices of Republicans such as the aforementioned ones above.

[embers]

cuz their backward individals lolol evil repubilcans

[Jupiter]

I don't like any parties.

[Jean Poutine]

I don't get it, half of the post i see are "REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL! REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID! IF YOU LIKE THEM YOU ARE A REDNECK!" Seriously guys? I thought this was a mature forum, not youtube.

You're on a forum patronized by (mostly) a bunch of teens and you go ahead and think it's a "mature forum".

lolololol

[Levy]

Go deep south. You'll have a different perspective on people hating on Obama and Democrats.

[huginnmuninn]

i think both parties are shit personaly.

[Amnesiac]

I don't get it, half of the post i see are "REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL! REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID! IF YOU LIKE THEM YOU ARE A REDNECK!" Seriously guys? I thought this was a mature forum, not youtube.

I, for one, don't see this anywhere. You're over-exaggerating the liberal bias here on VT. It's not really that bad, and yeah, it's unfortunate that we have some people who debate in that way.

The truth is that both parties are roughly equal when it comes to stupidity. Most VTers identify as independents. There's not really a lot of support for Obama, and libertarianism has a good base of followers here. Of course, you're going to see a lot more about social issues on VT, since fiscal politics aren't really relevant to many of us. When it comes to things like religion and morality, VT really couldn't be more liberal – and rightly so, because social conservatism is high up on the list of batshit insane political theories. Really, social conservatives use absolutely no logic when coming up with the shit they spout about "family values" and "protecting the sanctity of marriage". But that's another topic for another day.

Republicans get criticized more often on ROTW because they're such attention whores. Republican fanpeople are really some of the most annoying Internet users, and more of them have been washing up on the shores of VT over the past few months, each one successively less tolerant and more insane than the one before.

[Syvelocin]

Lol, I see Obama hate every day. Georgia... Not the worst but there are some specific pockets that are horrible.

They're both flawed. I have to say that I'd rather a democrat was in office. It isn't the republican party I hate though, it's the people who happen to be republicans. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PAJNntoRgA) I'm crossing my fingers that it'll be another democrat next year.

I agree MORE with democrats than republicans. But that doesn't mean my perfect person to run a country would be a democrat.

[Texas warrior]

I hate on Obama, dems , reps because they are all evil, A Republican will not be any better because of the fact that at the end of the day they want power at the cost of freedom.

look at my thread if you want to see some Obama hating, I try my best to verbally abuse the shit heads of the world dems and reps.

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=128382

[Gaybaby94]

Due to my high liberal bias, you do not want to get me started.

[Sugaree]

Due to my high liberal bias, you do not want to get me started.

Don't worry, with your username, we can already guess what you'd say.

Republicans aren't as evil as people put them out to be. They're simply swamped and bogged down with organizations like the Tea Party. The one who is the loudest is always the one to be heard, and that's true for both Democrats and Republicans. People on here hate Republicans so much is because: 1. the high liberal bias among some members and 2. thinking that Republicans only care for social issues.

[Can'tHelpIt]

Both suck! You wanna know why
1. Most think down on homosexuality
2. If they don't they are forced to lie
I'm independent and gettin the f outta america as fast as i can

[rockNroll]

To quote David Cross:
"I'm Not Saying that All Republicans are Racist, Sexist, Homphobes...
...just the people they choose to elect into office to represent them are."

[AirCooled]

Doesn't help that there's people like santorum, Gingrich and palin spewing idiocy everywhere. But, that's not to say there aren't idiotic democrats, because there are idiots a plenty.

[Rage of the Menace]

I want to go to america, you guys are so rich in culture and have a really strong political system *sarcasm*

I'm a Civic-Territorial Nationalist and Radical Centrist. I believe that people should maintain a conservative moral ground, while not being too xenophobic, hence, civic nationalist. People owe allegiance to their country and people, so I've been taught by my father and his father before him.

Liberalism is just a guise, you can't make the whole world liberal. Humans are greedy and selfish, no matter what you do, you can't eliminate those factors from humanity.

Republicans? I don't mind them, i care not for any american party as i'm from Australia. But seriously, they give a very bad name to people like me who don't think everyone who doesn't believe in God should go to hell or all homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to co-exist with heterosexuals. I'm a christian, and i can tell you, i'm more open and scientific than most people. They just confuse religion with science, as most people do.

[crzy15]

I support republicans because they beleive in small government,, les regulation, and less govenrment hand-outs,, but that doesnt mean i subscribe to EVERYthing they say. I just dont think America is going in the right direction.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

I don't see you people hating on Obama.

Right? No. At my school everyone hates Obama and everyone loves bush. It disgusts me h how closed minded they are. Where I am from, people hate democrats.

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[Gaybaby94]

OK. I will try to make this as less painful as possible.

I will start with economics as a warm up. First, republicans beleve that small government is a good thing. They are also for lower taxes. Tell me, how will small government and lower to no taxes fix the economy issue. I'm no economist, and although I am 17 I do not really have that much education about the economy, but all I do know is that it started going seriously downhill when Bush became President and we need the government's help now more than ever.

Now let's get onto the civics stuff. Now I must say that not all Republicans are religious, but most religious vote Republican.

The first is the most obvious to me: same sex marriage. Because of the religions, same sex marriage and homosexuality is looked down upon and that is the reason of their intolerance and bigotry of the LGBT community and ignorance of the issue.

The second is abortion. Again, they like to use religion to control peoples lives. They believe that abortion is playing god, but still their belief has no place in womens uteruses. It is a common misconception that prochoice people are for abortion. We are not, we simply want the woman to have full rights of her body.

Third is capital punishment. Ironic that republicans claim to "pro life" when they would like to put a drug addict to death the very chance they get. It is a bit hypocritical on their side.

The fourth is gun control. Most of them believe that they are allowed to have guns, when guns are actually a huge problem in today's society with violence, murders, and other crimes.

I made it short and sweet, but my point is, Republicans have no sense of logic (my belief that is too long to explain). I do not hate them personally, I just hate their idealologies.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

OK. I will try to make this as less painful as possible.

I will start with economics as a warm up. First, republicans beleve that small government is a good thing. They are also for lower taxes. Tell me, how will small government and lower to no taxes fix the economy issue. I'm no economist, and although I am 17 I do not really have that much education about the economy, but all I do know is that it started going seriously downhill when Bush became President and we need the government's help now more than ever.

Now let's get onto the civics stuff. Now I must say that not all Republicans are religious, but most religious vote Republican.

The first is the most obvious to me: same sex marriage. Because of the religions, same sex marriage and homosexuality is looked down upon and that is the reason of their intolerance and bigotry of the LGBT community and ignorance of the issue.

The second is abortion. Again, they like to use religion to control peoples lives. They believe that abortion is playing god, but still their belief has no place in womens uteruses. It is a common misconception that prochoice people are for abortion. We are not, we simply want the woman to have full rights of her body.

Third is capital punishment. Ironic that republicans claim to "pro life" when they would like to put a drug addict to death the very chance they get. It is a bit hypocritical on their side.

The fourth is gun control. Most of them believe that they are allowed to have guns, when guns are actually a huge problem in today's society with violence, murders, and other crimes.

I made it short and sweet, but my point is, Republicans have no sense of logic (my belief that is too long to explain). I do not hate them personally, I just hate their idealologies.

Let me put this in my perspective:

I believe in same-sex marriages 100000000....% i see no problem with it.

I believe abortion is murder, it is something that is religious to me. I am partially pro-choice. I think people should be better informed about abortion in everyone's perspective. Also, It really is only necessary in incest cases and if the baby will be born with possible HIV.

I believe in capital punishment with more than one murder. If you take a life, you have to give a life, and life in prison only overcrowds our jails.

Gun control: I own guns, but it should be better regulated. If you have any felonys on your record = no guns for you. I still think guns are fine. The guns don't choose to shoot people, the people choose to shoot the other with that gun.

Also, Obamacare. I don't understand why it's soo horrible. It provides health care for people who don't have that and can't afford it. If Canada, England, and several other countries can do it, why can't we?

Also, marijuana legalization. I am pro-legalization. If people want to do it, let them. It would reduce the amount of harsher drugs because people won't be going to those dealers who pressure the harder drugs. Also, government can make a nice amount off of it.

Edit: i am considered a "Conservative Democrat" which would be like both combined almost, but i don't support the republican candidates in the 2012 election.

[kenoloor]

Let me put this in my perspective:

I believe in same-sex marriages 100000000....% i see no problem with it.

Good for you.

I believe abortion is murder, it is something that is religious to me.

The fact that it's a religious belief that you hold automatically invalidates it as a rational idea to present to the government. The government is not supposed to favor any one religion, and this argument is invalid because of it. Also, you can't kill something that isn't alive.

I am partially pro-choice. I think people should be better informed about abortion in everyone's perspective.

What?

Also, It really is only necessary in incest cases and if the baby will be born with possible HIV.

So you'd be willing to "murder a baby" (in your eyes) if there was a possibility that it would have HIV? That doesn't make any sense.

I believe in capital punishment with more than one murder. If you take a life, you have to give a life, and life in prison only overcrowds our jails.

Hypothetical situation: I kill one person, so (assuming I'm found guilty), I would serve a life in prison. But if I kill two people then I get the death penalty? Again, I fail to see your logic...

Gun control: I own guns, but it should be better regulated. If you have any felonys on your record = no guns for you. I still think guns are fine. The guns don't choose to shoot people, the people choose to shoot the other with that gun.

Essentially, agreed.

Also, Obamacare. I don't understand why it's soo horrible. It provides health care for people who don't have that and can't afford it. If Canada, England, and several other countries can do it, why can't we?

Also, marijuana legalization. I am pro-legalization. If people want to do it, let them. It would reduce the amount of harsher drugs because people won't be going to those dealers who pressure the harder drugs. Also, government can make a nice amount off of it.

Agree. Although I think that marijuana is a non-issue at this point; there are more pressing matters that require our attention, e.g. the economy.

[slappy]

I don't like republicans because what they have been proposing lately. In VA there could be a law passed by republicans that makes women kneed to get a vaginal ultrasound if they want an abortion. There is a word for probing women in their privet parts without consent. The word is rape. So, republicans are going to propose government funded rape.

[Efflorescence]

The second is abortion. Again, they like to use religion to control peoples lives. They believe that abortion is playing god, but still their belief has no place in womens uteruses. It is a common misconception that prochoice people are for abortion. We are not, we simply want the woman to have full rights of her body.

On other things, I agree with you but on the above I don't.
First of all, there are atheists who are 'pro-life'. Maybe they are not the norm but there are. In some people's case (ex. in my case), being pro-life has nothing to do with religion.Mannnnnnnn deal with it.


Third is capital punishment. Ironic that republicans claim to "pro life" when they would like to put a drug addict to death the very chance they get. It is a bit hypocritical on their side.


And second of all.....lol many 'pro-lifers' identify themselves as 'pro-life' because that's what others call them. If it makes you feel better, I'll start calling myself 'pro-innocent life' or 'pro-fetus life' then. Except that I won't, as it is too much of a hassle to write 3 words instead of two. :) It's just a word, bro after all. You can be against abortion and in favour of the death penalty as they are completely different.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Good for you.



The fact that it's a religious belief that you hold automatically invalidates it as a rational idea to present to the government. The government is not supposed to favor any one religion, and this argument is invalid because of it. Also, you can't kill something that isn't alive.



What?



So you'd be willing to "murder a baby" (in your eyes) if there was a possibility that it would have HIV? That doesn't make any sense.



Hypothetical situation: I kill one person, so (assuming I'm found guilty), I would serve a life in prison. But if I kill two people then I get the death penalty? Again, I fail to see your logic...



Essentially, agreed.



Agree. Although I think that marijuana is a non-issue at this point; there are more pressing matters that require our attention, e.g. the economy.
The baby is alive. At the time of abortion, the fetus has a beating heart, arms, legs, and even eyes. You can't say they aren't alive. That's like saying plankton isn't alive because it is so small and doesn't know. And if the baby has HIV, the chances of it spreading increase and they have to live a life of daily medicine and shots, and may never be able to have kids or even have sex.

If you kill someone, you should have to pay for it with your own life. Whether it be life in prison or whatever. But if you kill 2 people, you can't serve 2 life sentences (technically you can be given two but that's like giving someone 99 years in prison. Pointless.) so you need the next step up, which is death.

I agree with the marijuana part, it's not that important at the moment but could help the economy in some ways.

[Brookie Ugene Wagner]

I truthfully don't get why we even have political parties, because it drives our country apart. I mean just look at when they democrats ran away from work like little kids just because they didn't want to comprimise. And really does it take someoen almost dying in one of the political parties to be able to work together? Although I agree both sides can be to blame for not working together, adn thinking for the nation as a whole and not 2 separate parts.

[Gaybaby94]

The baby is alive. At the time of abortion, the fetus has a beating heart, arms, legs, and even eyes. You can't say they aren't alive. That's like saying plankton isn't alive because it is so small and doesn't know. And if the baby has HIV, the chances of it spreading increase and they have to live a life of daily medicine and shots, and may never be able to have kids or even have sex.

The fetus is still part of the woman's body until birth. Therefore, the fact that the woman still has rights to her body is valid until birth, and your argument, is not valid.

If you kill someone, you should have to pay for it with your own life. Whether it be life in prison or whatever. But if you kill 2 people, you can't serve 2 life sentences (technically you can be given two but that's like giving someone 99 years in prison. Pointless.) so you need the next step up, which is death.

How is giving the inmate 99 years pointless. I do not see your logic? And also if someone kills an inane for killing someone, doesn't that make them a murderer too?

[Thunduhbuhlt]

The fetus is still part of the woman's body until birth. Therefore, the fact that the woman still has rights to her body is valid until birth, and your argument, is not valid.



How is giving the inmate 99 years pointless. I do not see your logic? And also if someone kills an inane for killing someone, doesn't that make them a murderer too?
Yes it is the woman's right, but they need to see how bad abortion is, it is killing a live being, no matter what way you look at it, it still is.

Because if they are say 20 years old, they wouldn't be able to get out until they are 119, which is life in prison. And they will be "Not Guilty for Reason of Insanity" which they go to a mental institution. I think that is what you meant, but I'm not 100% sure.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Regardless of what you consider the fetus, it is a Woman's right.



You killed someone and killing is wrong so uhh we're gonna go ahead and kill you now.

Makes so much sense.

Yes, it is the woman's right, look above for more info.

And, if you kill someone, do you really deserve to be alive yourself? You are gonna die alone anyways in jail or not. It will cost a lot less to get rid of them then to feed them 3 meals a day, provide them with clothes, and let them sit around a lot of the time in solitary confinement.

[kenoloor]

The baby is alive. At the time of abortion, the fetus has a beating heart, arms, legs, and even eyes.

Those do not characterize something as alive. Regardless, it is part of the woman's body, as has been stated above, blah blah blah.

Moving on...

And if the baby has HIV, the chances of it spreading increase and they have to live a life of daily medicine and shots, and may never be able to have kids or even have sex.

You clearly don't know how HIV/AIDS works.

1. The chances of it being passed from mother to child during birth is quite slim
2. Have kids? You're right, probably not a possibility. However is that really a deciding factor when considering an abortion? "Hmm, my future baby might not be able to reproduce. Welp, I don't want that!" That's fucking stupid.
3. Having HIV/AIDS does not prevent one from having sex. There are these lovely things called condoms and they come in quite handy.

If you kill someone, you should have to pay for it with your own life. Whether it be life in prison or whatever.

"Or whatever"? Care to elaborate on that point?

But if you kill 2 people, you can't serve 2 life sentences (technically you can be given two but that's like giving someone 99 years in prison. Pointless.) so you need the next step up, which is death.

So what you're saying is that a prisoner's death is worth two dead peoples' lives?

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Those do not characterize something as alive. Regardless, it is part of the woman's body, as has been stated above, blah blah blah.

Moving on...



You clearly don't know how HIV/AIDS works.

1. The chances of it being passed from mother to child during birth is quite slim
2. Have kids? You're right, probably not a possibility. However is that really a deciding factor when considering an abortion? "Hmm, my future baby might not be able to reproduce. Welp, I don't want that!" That's fucking stupid.
3. Having HIV/AIDS does not prevent one from having sex. There are these lovely things called condoms and they come in quite handy.



"Or whatever"? Care to elaborate on that point?



So what you're saying is that a prisoner's death is worth two dead peoples' lives?

Condoms can break or people can be stupid and not wear one. I am not saying that HIV is a justification for abortion, but it's something to consider.

Whatever can mean whatever the sentencing is, 30 years, 50, or anything else.

I am saying that they have to give a life if you take a life. A life sentence works for 1, but for 2 it needs to be more like the death penalty.

It even says in the Bible:

Genesis 9:6 states that we are made in God's image and therefore our lives are precious and whoever takes the life of another human being, forfeits the right to his own life.

[kenoloor]

It even says in the Bible:

Genesis 9:6 states that we are made in God's image and therefore our lives are precious and whoever takes the life of another human being, forfeits the right to his own life.

Hey look, you're being stupid. It even says so on this sheet of paper!!

http://s17.postimage.org/960u7fk3z/IMG_20120222_222456.jpg

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Just becase you don't follow religion, doesn't mean I don't.

[kenoloor]

Just becase you don't follow religion, doesn't mean I don't.

I do follow a religion. I just quoted my religious text.

"God said so" is an argument that no one should ever use ever in a debate ever.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

If it's my belief, I can say whatever I want, whether it be religious or not.

[unknownuser]

I don't have enough political knowledge about both parties and their beliefs to make a very valid argument because I don't follow politics, but from what I do know, I'd side with mostly conservative ideals.

[unknownuser]

If it's my belief, I can say whatever I want, whether it be religious or not.

There are these things called freedom of speech and religion, didn't know if you guys were aware of that or not...

[Efflorescence]

Regardless, it is part of the woman's body, as has been stated above, blah blah blah.

DNA. If you can prove to me that the DNA of the mother is the same as that of the fetus then I will agree with you. But as far as I'm concerned their DNA is different, so what you're saying is incorrect.

[Gaybaby94]

It even says in the Bible:

Genesis 9:6 states that we are made in God's image and therefore our lives are precious and whoever takes the life of another human being, forfeits the right to his own life.

1. A book written by some dude on a drug trip thousands of years ago is not a justifiable argument against a woman's rights or anybody's rights for that matter.

2. So now let's take your quote in context. You do not support abortion, in which the fetus is not alive, but yet you support capital punishment, which the person is alive? Your augment is contradictory.

[Wicked_Syn]

My general opinion on Republicans and Democrats and the majority of the United States political groups is they're all jokes. They all fail in someway or form, and they all....well most, accomplish something in congress.

And right now it's kind of embarrassing to be a United States citizen with the way this presidential election and running is going down.

[kenoloor]

If it's my belief, I can say whatever I want, whether it be religious or not.

I don't give a fuck what you believe; your beliefs are irrelevant. If you're debating something having to do with legislation, citing the Bible weakens your argument as the government may not offer any bias towards any religious group's ideals.

DNA. If you can prove to me that the DNA of the mother is the same as that of the fetus then I will agree with you. But as far as I'm concerned their DNA is different, so what you're saying is incorrect.

A tapeworm and its host have different DNA, however that doesn't make the tapeworm any less parasitic. The fetus is still entirely dependent upon the mother, directly leeching off of what the mother eats, drinks, does, etc. With that kind of dependency, it can hardly be classified as a legitimate human being.

[kenoloor]

Yep, and the First Amendment states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Citing a religious text in a debate regarding legislation is not acceptable because of the first amendment.

If I were to propose that legislation ban shaving because the Bible says it's bad (Leviticus 19:27) would that be an acceptable rationale? Of course not.

[kenoloor]

No, not only because of the first amendment but I'm pointing out that separation of Church and State is something that was supported by many of the founding fathers.

That was my point.

[Efflorescence]

A tapeworm and its host have different DNA, however that doesn't make the tapeworm any less parasitic. The fetus is still entirely dependent upon the mother, directly leeching off of what the mother eats, drinks, does, etc. With that kind of dependency, it can hardly be classified as a legitimate human being.

A tapeworm and its host are of a different species. The mother and the fetus are of the same species - Homo sapiens sapiens man. The fetus is ensuring that the genes of the mother are passed on. Does the tapeworm do that to the host? Uh no.

The fetus of two human beings is um....... a living human being lol. Why? Because a non-human being cannot turn into a human being. Something that is not alive cannot turn into something that is alive. If I'm alive and a human being now, that must mean that I was from the start, from the moment I was created - at fertilization.

[Nihilus]

I hate most of the Republicans because they are not serving the country they SERVE, instead they doing things for their own pocketbooks. I can say the same about Democrats. They are both part of the same animal. There are few exceptions such as Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul (Who I will be voting for in the republican primary of California). Most politicians are scum. They may go in with good intentions (Obama), but instead they lulled into corruption (Most of them of both parties).

I doesn't help to have the candidates running for president that they have (except Ron Paul). I can't stand how they quote and rely on christianity (What happened to separation of church and state?) and how they generally are pro-life (it's up to the women, men need to get the fuck out of their decisions). They are the ones who put us into this recession (Thanks to REAGAN AND ALL THE NEXT PRESIDENTS ESPECIALLY BUSH). They are going down the wrong path. We the middle class/poor need help and don't recieve any from them.

[Genghis Khan]

A tapeworm and its host are of a different species. The mother and the fetus are of the same species - Homo sapiens sapiens man.

Who gives a fuck? Even if it is the same species the nature of its existence is extremely parasitic.

The fetus of two human beings is um....... a living human being lol. Why? Because a non-human being cannot turn into a human being.

In that case would you be willing to argue that a single sperm or a single egg is a human being? Because obviously, non-human beings cannot turn into human beings according to your logic.

[Efflorescence]

Who gives a fuck? Even if it is the same species the nature of its existence is extremely parasitic.

Uh no. A parasite does not exist to continue the species of the host and it's not the same species as the host. But a fetus is there to make sure that the species of the mother (the human race) continues so he's not parasitic dude.

In that case would you be willing to argue that a single sperm or a single egg is a human being? Because obviously, non-human beings cannot turn into human beings according to your logic.

A single sperm or egg on their own do not turn into a human being. It's when they fuse that they create a human being -unique DNA.

Maybe I haven't explained myself well, sorry. I forgot to add something. What I meant to say is that since from when I was a fetus my set of DNA hasn't changed, then it cannot be that I was a non-human being and then I became a human being. It's not like a fetus has the DNA of an alien and then when he develops, he miraculously acquires the DNA of a human being. Doesn't make sense. Happy?:P

[Genghis Khan]

Uh no. A parasite does not exist to continue the species of the host and it's not the same species as the host. But a fetus is there to make sure that the species of the mother (the human race) continues so he's not parasitic dude.

Parasitism is a type of non mutual relationship between organisms where one organism, the parasite, benefits at the expense of the other, the host.

Notice 'non-mutual' and 'at the expense of the host'. I agree that foetuses grow for a different purpose, however, the fact remains that its nature as described above, is parasitic since it is a non-mutual relationship between two organisms where one is benefiting at the expense of the other. It only makes sense that the fully developed organism that possesses sapience, cognition and other characteristics required to be classed a human, be given the right to abort the parasite. Or foetus, whatever you want to call it.

A single sperm or egg on their own do not turn into a human being. It's when they fuse that they create a human being -unique DNA.

It has to be in possession of certain characteristics before it can be classified as a human being. It's ages before it actually becomes a fully functioning human.

Maybe I haven't explained myself well, sorry. I forgot to add something. What I meant to say is that since from when I was a fetus my set of DNA hasn't changed, then it cannot be that I was a non-human being and then I became a human being.

Wrong. You became a human being when you developed cognition and sapience. These are features unique to a human. A foetus has zero cognitive abilities. Even when it's a child it can't match up to the cognitive capabilities of a pig let alone possess sapience, I think someone mentioned this before.

It's not like a fetus has the DNA of an alien and then when he develops, he miraculously acquires the DNA of a human being. Doesn't make sense. Happy?:P

Does it really matter what it turns out to be? Or if it shares the same DNA? In the end it's an unwanted result leaching off the insides of a woman. You'd be a fool to think something that underdeveloped (to put it as less harshly as reasonably achievable) has more a right to live than what we can safely call a human. Someone who's actually had a taste of life, someone that can think, function and benefit society. I really don't know where pro-life peoples' priorities lie. In humans or organisms that are not only subhuman but a burden. Obviously people have abortions essentially because they aren't financially capable or they haven't reached that point in their life where they want to take responsibility. If you forcefully put that responsibility on them, you're just leading things to a inevitable fuck up. This is socially disadvantageous and psychologically to the parents and the child. Plus, at what cost? At the cost of an archaic belief that human life is so sacred we are to define pre-humans and humans and let them triumph over us. Fuck no dude, what the fuck even is that.

Anyway, I don't know why I'm even bothering with an actual debate. My job is to post unsystematic pictures and incoherent comments that leave people pondering about my sanity or the meaning of life.

http://swiftor.com/attachments/f2/8768d1322210857t-60s-spiderman-meme-go-enhanced-buzz-9870-1310339530-12.jpg

[Jupiter]

There is difference between freedom of speech, and just being plain stupid, in my opinion.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

I don't give a fuck what you believe; your beliefs are irrelevant. If you're debating something having to do with legislation, citing the Bible weakens your argument as the government may not offer any bias towards any religious group's ideals.



A tapeworm and its host have different DNA, however that doesn't make the tapeworm any less parasitic. The fetus is still entirely dependent upon the mother, directly leeching off of what the mother eats, drinks, does, etc. With that kind of dependency, it can hardly be classified as a legitimate human being.

That's like Obama with his abortion and birth control plan. It's unfair to people that don't believe in it. I disagree with his plan to make companies pay for abortions (i believe in birth control). You have to see it from every side, not just your own.

[kenoloor]

That's like Obama with his abortion and birth control plan. It's unfair to people that don't believe in it. I disagree with his plan to make companies pay for abortions (i believe in birth control). You have to see it from every side, not just your own.

The well-being of the people is more important than the well-being of a religious institution's archaic ideas.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Ok, I agree with you on that.



The death penalty doesn't cost any less... even when you factor in all meals and necessities provided to them.
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Fun Fact: Each death row prisoner in California costs taxpayers $90 000 MORE than it would be to let them die in prison naturally. And for all that, they haven't executed anyone in over 6 years.

Approx cost of California's death penalty: $137 million per year.

Approx cost if replaced with life in prison without parole: $11.5 million per year.

Executing all of the people currently on death row in CA would cost an estimated $4 billion more than if they had been sentenced to die in prison of disease, injury, or old age.

Source (https://death.rdsecure.org/article.php?id=42)

Which one is a lot less now?



Exactiy, so then why should I and other taxpayers pay billions of dollars to kill them when they're going to die in prison of old age or a disease?
I do see your point, but there is still overcrowding. And there are ways that cost a lot less. they are less frequently giving people the electric chair and instead lethal injection which costs a lot less then electrocution, which was more common in the previous years. But yes, electrocution is highly expensive, a lot because of the electricity and the court stuff that has to be taken care of.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

The well-being of the people is more important than the well-being of a religious institution's archaic ideas.

Please explain what you mean by "The well being of the people". How is abortion considered a "well-being" issue?

[Genghis Khan]

Please explain what you mean by "The well being of the people". How is abortion considered a "well-being" issue?

Because abortion allows women and men respectively to escape from the hazard of having the responsibility to bring up something for the next 18+ years. This has psychological and financial issues which essentially contributes to social issues. If people don't have the choice to escape from something they are not mentally prepared to take charge of, it becomes a burden on the well-being of society. And really, you can't stop people from having sex.

[Sugaree]

Please explain what you mean by "The well being of the people". How is abortion considered a "well-being" issue?

Because the well-being of a woman is always at risk during a pregnancy. She can contract an illness which affects the fetus or even die during child birth. Bradi is right, you have to look out for your fellow person and not for an idea that's been around long enough to be laughable in a lot of respects.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Because abortion allows women and men respectively to escape from the hazard of having the responsibility to bring up something for the next 18+ years. This has psychological and financial issues which essentially contributes to social issues. If people don't have the choice to escape from something they are not mentally prepared to take charge of, it becomes a burden on the well-being of society. And really, you can't stop people from having sex.


" the hazard of having the responsibility to bring up something for the next 18+ years"

That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in this debate. there are almost 2 million American couples that Can't have kids, why not adoption? a lot of time, they will pay for the medical costs and maybe even give you a compensation for it. And it has been proven, if you have an abortion, 26% of women regret getting an abortion, and 56% feel guilty. And do you think that many people would openly say to another "I had an abortion, and I am proud!" No, I have never at least.

Plus, you have a less chance of conceiving again if in the future you do want kids.

Source. (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/abortion-after-effects.html)

[KidImage]

Their behavior has very deep seated reasons. They would have done the same had Hillary Clinton become President. They just cannot stomach the fact that a not totally white Man nor any Woman
would be our Leader. It is Racism and Gender Discriminations that is rearing its ugly head here and nothing else.

Plus They are just a financial burden to the tax payers and all they can come up with is no, no, no,
Why can't they come up with something meaningful that would benefit common people? It seems they are only interested in passing laws that benefit the rich only. They act like little school children with their petty politics. I would be ashamed in calling myself a republican.

[Genghis Khan]

That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in this debate. there are almost 2 million American couples that Can't have kids, why not adoption?

Giving birth is not pleasant. I'm sure you know this.

And it has been proven, if you have an abortion, 26% of women regret getting an abortion, and 56% feel guilty.

Oh cool, a statistic! I wonder who's ass you pulled that out from.

And do you think that many people would openly say to another "I had an abortion, and I am proud!" No, I have never at least.

Just a guess, but your gender says male. That answers why you've never said 'I had an abortion and I'm proud'. Stop being such a dumb fuck man.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Giving birth is not pleasant. I'm sure you know this.
I am aware, but there are medicines that can help, and abortion is basically the birth of a dead baby, so the same basically.


Oh cool, a statistic! I wonder who's ass you pulled that out from.
I have been told time and time again to always back up opinions with facts, which is what I did


Just a guess, but your gender says male. That answers why you've never said 'I had an abortion and I'm proud'. Stop being such a dumb fuck man.

i was talking about a woman to another person, if you couldn't figure that out, you are being the dumb fuck.

[kenoloor]

I have been told time and time again to always back up opinions with facts, which is what I did

Statistics such as the one you gave will not be taken seriously or given any merit if there is no source cited.

"98% of black people steal televisions. It's a fact because I say so." Sorry, that's not how a debate works, kiddo.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Statistics such as the one you gave will not be taken seriously or given any merit if there is no source cited.

"98% of black people steal televisions. It's a fact because I say so." Sorry, that's not how a debate works, kiddo.

Obviously you did not look close enough because I did cite it. Look again.

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[kenoloor]

Obviously you did not look close enough because I did cite it. Look again.

From the same source:

http://s15.postimage.org/czukdt4e3/2012_02_23_19_52_58.jpg

1989. Outdated broski.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Well then that percentage is probably higher because abortions have increased in the past 20 years...I will cite that when I'M back on my PC...and I'll try to find a more recent survey...

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[Thunduhbuhlt]

To be fair, no matter how drugged you are birth still causes extreme agony.

I honestly wouldn't know, as I am not a girl, nor have I had kids.

[kenoloor]

Well then that percentage is probably higher because abortions have increased in the past 20 years...I will cite that when I'M back on my PC...and I'll try to find a more recent survey...

It really doesn't matter. The fact that some people may regret a decision they made is not a strong argument for your case. By your logic, I could effectively argue that because roughly 50% of people who get married regret it (source (www.divorcerate2011.com/divorce-updates/)) , we should ban marriage.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

From the same source:

image (http://s15.postimage.org/czukdt4e3/2012_02_23_19_52_58.jpg)

1989. Outdated broski.

This was taken 10 years later, the newest I have found so far:

82% Greater feelings of loneliness or isolation
75% Had less self-confidence
63% Denial (Respondents were asked, “Was there a period of time when you would have denied the existence of any doubts or negative feelings about your abortion?” Of those responding yes, the average period of denial that they reported was 5.25 years.)
58% Suffered from insomnia or nightmares
56% Suicidal feelings
53% Increased or began use of drugs or alcohol
39% Eating disorders which began after the abortion (binge eating, anorexia, or bulimia)
28% Attempted suicide

more on the site too; here. (http://afterabortion.org/1999/the-emotional-effects-of-abortion/)

[kenoloor]

This was taken 10 years later, the newest I have found so far:

82% Greater feelings of loneliness or isolation
75% Had less self-confidence
63% Denial (Respondents were asked, “Was there a period of time when you would have denied the existence of any doubts or negative feelings about your abortion?” Of those responding yes, the average period of denial that they reported was 5.25 years.)
58% Suffered from insomnia or nightmares
56% Suicidal feelings
53% Increased or began use of drugs or alcohol
39% Eating disorders which began after the abortion (binge eating, anorexia, or bulimia)
28% Attempted suicide

more on the site too; here. (http://afterabortion.org/1999/the-emotional-effects-of-abortion/)

read. (www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1626711&postcount=75)

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Found another site:

Why women have abortions
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

Source. (http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html)

[Thunduhbuhlt]

It really doesn't matter. The fact that some people may regret a decision they made is not a strong argument for your case. By your logic, I could effectively argue that because roughly 50% of people who get married regret it (source (www.divorcerate2011.com/divorce-updates/)) , we should ban marriage.

Well yes, divorce is VERY common, but is a governmental and holy bonding. Everyone agrees that marriage is okay, just the reasons and such is why they don't like some people's marriages.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Well that's the point... you can't say that "medicine" takes away enough pain to handle birth if you haven't experienced it.

I just spoke to my mom, who has had 4 childbirths and she says that she had 3 out of the 4 with medicine and the pain is not that intense, it is the contractions that had caused the most pain for her. I am not saying this is the same for everyone, but that is what she said. Also, she said that without medicine, it hurts like hell, and is nowhere near the same pain.

[kenoloor]

Well yes, divorce is VERY common, but is a governmental and holy bonding.

What the fuck difference does that make?

Everyone agrees that marriage is okay,

No they don't.

just the reasons and such is why they don't like some people's marriages.

hmm....

Why women have abortions
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient

Oh right...you have a problem with the reasons people get an abortion. Well, again, by your logic, it doesn't matter. So you just contradicted your own argument. I should thank you, you're making my job much easier.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

What the fuck difference does that make?



No they don't.



hmm....



Oh right...you have a problem with the reasons people get an abortion. Well, again, by your logic, it doesn't matter. So you just contradicted your own argument. I should thank you, you're making my job much easier.

I don't care about the 7%, I care about the 93% that do it for "social reasons"

And tell me who doesn't support marriages? Most religions allow marriages at their place of worship. Nobody would be protesting outside a wedding chapel.

And I assume "hmm...." means that you either agree or don't really care.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

People suffer from regret in Marriages and you say they shouldn't be banned, but the same goes for abortions and they should be?

Marriage and abortion are two different topics, they are incomparable. Abortion is killing a living being. Marriage is a promise to always be together, but that doesn't really happen all of the time. That's like comparing The Pirates of the Carribean to Twilight, not the same, and even though they have some similarities, they aren't comparable.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

As immoral as those abortions may be- your point? I thought you were pro-choice?

Partially Pro-choice, that 7% I represent and that 93% I do not. So I guess I am more pro-life.

[kenoloor]

I don't care about the 7%, I care about the 93% that do it for "social reasons"

Included in those "social reasons" was not being wanted. What do you think will be the quality of life for a child who is born but not wanted?

And tell me who doesn't support marriages? Most religions allow marriages at their place of worship. Nobody would be protesting outside a wedding chapel.

I don't support marriage as a religious institution that is recognized by the government. That is a direct violation of the 1st amendment. However my opinions on marriage are irrelevant; suffice to say not everybody thinks marriage is cool.

And I assume "hmm...." means that you either agree or don't really care.

Read what comes after the "hmm..."

Abortion is killing a living being.

Myself and others have just spent a good page or two of this thread explaining to you how a fetus is not a living being and how your argument is nothing more than a compilation of poorly acquired statistics that are irrelevant and scientific misinformation. Attend a science class. some bashing removed. you know better. -embers

[Jupiter]

>politics come up
>turns into an abortion debate.

personally, i dont really hate the party. i hate the people in the party, because of what they say.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Included in those "social reasons" was not being wanted. What do you think will be the quality of life for a child who is born but not wanted?



I don't support marriage as a religious institution that is recognized by the government. That is a direct violation of the 1st amendment. However my opinions on marriage are irrelevant; suffice to say not everybody thinks marriage is cool.



Read what comes after the "hmm..."



Myself and others have just spent a good fucking page or two of this shitpile thread explaining to your misinformed ass how a fetus is not a living being and how your argument is nothing more than a compilation of poorly acquired statistics that are irrelevant and scientific misinformation. Attend a science class.

1. Babies that are unwanted can be adopted, and they don't always go to some group home, they can have a closed adoption and never have to worry, but still not have that abortion on their conscience.

2. A fetus has a beating heart, arms, legs, and almost every other body part that may be underdeveloped but is still living. Why don't you attend a "science class" I guarantee that any college professor or high school science teacher will say that a human fetus is living. I have said this so many times, I just don't think you read my posts.

Hopefully this overly large font will help you read this better.

Oh yeah give me a negative rep because you know you are wrong, real mature.

- large font removed, as well as some of the bashing in this post. Check your PMs. -embers

[Scarface]

Lets get back on topic people and let's also keep in mind that there is no fighting. If this gets out of hand it will be locked an infractions handed out.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Lets get back on topic people and let's also keep in mind that there is no fighting. If this gets out of hand it will be locked an infractions handed out.

I probably should have opened a new thread for this. Sorry!

[Thunduhbuhlt]

It was me :)

Yeah it was so funny, I forgot to laugh.

[kenoloor]

Fucking annoying font size aside...

they can have a closed adoption and never have to worry, but still not have that abortion on their conscience.

How kind of you, looking out for other peoples' conscience. That would make sense if everyone's conscience worked like yours.

2. A fetus has a beating heart, arms, legs, and almost every other body part that may be underdeveloped but is still living.

A beating heart and appendages are not the only characteristic of life, much less human life.

I have said this so many times, I just don't think you read my fucking posts. Get this through your thick skull!

Unfortunately, I do read your posts.

Hopefully this overly large font will help you read this better.

No, it's just effectively making you look immature.

Anyway, I'm done with this "debate." Your obdurateness is evident and as a result, this has ceased being a legitimate debate. Have a good one, kid.

[Thunduhbuhlt]

Final abortion post that will come up:

Well we can all agree that if all of those dumb asses just wore a fucking condom we wouldn't have this problem!

[Mtc 10]

I think this is a more 50/50 on here.. Both parties have their flaws I must admit. But honestly c'mon you can't blame obama for this completely.. Look at history major recessions. Welll we have really only had one. But its not easy to bounce back. It takes 9-10 years to fully recover. But I honestly dont a candidate who can beat him.. I mean Ron Paul is a VERY smart man but he is in my opinion weak! Look at how he debates. But as rumors are going around the Paul is running independent. If he does that he is an idiot because the vote would be soooo split up on the repub side of the house.

[Sugaree]

I think this is a more 50/50 on here.. Both parties have their flaws I must admit. But honestly c'mon you can't blame obama for this completely.. Look at history major recessions. Welll we have really only had one. But its not easy to bounce back. It takes 9-10 years to fully recover. But I honestly dont a candidate who can beat him.. I mean Ron Paul is a VERY smart man but he is in my opinion weak! Look at how he debates. But as rumors are going around the Paul is running independent. If he does that he is an idiot because the vote would be soooo split up on the repub side of the house.

The only recession people seem to remember is the Great Depression of 1929-1939. We had a major recession going from 1977 (the Carter administration) to about 1991 (the first Bush administration). Why do people seem to forget this?

[Genghis Khan]

Well we can all agree that if all of those dumb asses just wore a fucking condom we wouldn't have this problem!

HMMMMM because condoms are always 100% affective aren't they Isaac Newton?

I would reply to your other posts but I think Bradi and DoNotStandUp have done a pretty good job, and you've done an even better one on making yourself look like a total cretin by making your signature 'pro-choice = pro-murder'. I advise you to read up a little more on what pro-choice is, what the arguments for abortion are and why statistics do not serve as proof.

[Efflorescence]

Notice 'non-mutual' and 'at the expense of the host'. I agree that foetuses grow for a different purpose, however, the fact remains that its nature as described above, is parasitic since it is a non-mutual relationship between two organisms where one is benefiting at the expense of the other. It only makes sense that the fully developed organism that possesses sapience, cognition and other characteristics required to be classed a human, be given the right to abort the parasite. Or foetus, whatever you want to call it.

parasitism, relationship between two species of plants or animals in which one benefits at the expense of the other, sometimes without killing it.

Notice: 'two species'. Not same species. Plus, that I already mentioned the benefit of the foetus from a biological perspective : continuation of the species.

And no, what you're saying doesn't make sense. If you're born Homo sapiens sapiens you're automatically a human being. Mannnnn, it's freakin biology. When we're talking about a certain species...it's fuckin all or nothing. Either the whole freakin species is human or the whole freakin species is not human including foetus, baby, adult, whatever. They're just different stages in the life of a human.

It has to be in possession of certain characteristics before it can be classified as a human being. It's ages before it actually becomes a fully functioning human.

Oh really? And at what age does it become a "fully functional human being"? At what age is it wrong to kill it?

Wrong. You became a human being when you developed cognition and sapience. These are features unique to a human. A foetus has zero cognitive abilities. Even when it's a child it can't match up to the cognitive capabilities of a pig let alone possess sapience, I think someone mentioned this before.

Oh really? So even children are not human beings now? Lol. You said 'even when it's a child'.

Does it really matter what it turns out to be? Or if it shares the same DNA? In the end it's an unwanted result leaching off the insides of a woman. You'd be a fool to think something that underdeveloped (to put it as less harshly as reasonably achievable) has more a right to live than what we can safely call a human. Someone who's actually had a taste of life, someone that can think, function and benefit society. I really don't know where pro-life peoples' priorities lie. In humans or organisms that are not only subhuman but a burden.

Lolll...of course it matters. DNA matters and how. It makes all the difference bro.

And yes that's what I think. A person who's in a vegetative state, who has severe disabilities or who has lost all cognitive abilities has still got the right to live as much as me and you. He's a still human being even though he has lost sapience. He hasn't got more a right to live than others (as you put it) but as much. It's called equality.

And so does a foetus and everyone else belonging to our species. Actually, the fact that a foetus doesn't have sapience yet, makes it worse because when aborting him, you're destroying the potentiality he has to acquire sapience. You're not letting him develop his full potential and you're killing him before he can ever have 'a taste of life' outside the womb.

Obviously people have abortions essentially because they aren't financially capable or they haven't reached that point in their life where they want to take responsibility. If you forcefully put that responsibility on them, you're just leading things to a inevitable fuck up. This is socially disadvantageous and psychologically to the parents and the child. Plus, at what cost? At the cost of an archaic belief that human life is so sacred we are to define pre-humans and humans and let them triumph over us. Fuck no dude, what the fuck even is that.

The right to live doesn't depend on whether you are wanted or not. You don't know if the life of the child will be fucked up or not because no one can foresee what's going to happen in the future. There are people who had everything against them and made it all the same.

And one other thing, yes that's where my priorities lie on this one. From the moment I was created, I have the right to life and over cells of my own DNA unless I make a decision to end it. I,I,I. Not mother or father or whoever. I.

Anyway, I don't know why I'm even bothering with an actual debate. My job is to post unsystematic pictures and incoherent comments that leave people pondering about my sanity or the meaning of life.

image (http://swiftor.com/attachments/f2/8768d1322210857t-60s-spiderman-meme-go-enhanced-buzz-9870-1310339530-12.jpg)

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:P:P:P.....I've been pondering about the meaning of life much before I knew you even existed qalb ta' qalbi .:P

[Genghis Khan]

Notice: 'two species'. Not same species.

Notice how little people care.

Plus, that I already mentioned the benefit of the foetus from a biological perspective : continuation of the species.

Some people don't want the burden of continuing the species, why unnecessarily place it upon them?

And no, what you're saying doesn't make sense. If you're born Homo sapiens sapiens you're automatically a human being. Mannnnn, it's freakin biology. When we're talking about a certain species...it's fuckin all or nothing. Either the whole freakin species is human or the whole freakin species is not human including foetus, baby, adult, whatever. They're just different stages in the life of a human.

If I was to pull out the foetus of any animal and show it to you you'd agree that this undeveloped organism is that animal? Lol. Why even call ourselves humans if we're going to class something that does not possess the essential characteristics that make one human. By that logic, anything can be human. I really really don't see how you can classify something like a foetus as a human, even though its nature (as I have already described a million times in this thread and several others) is practically parasitic. Everything I've reiterated about foetuses from my sources screams 'parasite' and the only thing you're hanging on to is the fact that parasites invade us, therefore nothing else can be of a parasitic nature. Okay, foetuses technically aren't parasites, but one can conclude that their nature is parasitic if what it's doing is leeching off the life of a fully developed adult against their will.

Oh really? And at what age does it become a "fully functional human being"? At what age is it wrong to kill it?

When it acquires sapience, sapience is after all, what's unique to humans. Not saying anything that lacks sapience is inferior by nature, but the value judgement here is to choose between someone you can (in technical and philosophical terms) call a human i.e. the mother and some underdeveloped creature that lacks every possible feature that makes us human. It barely even has arms or legs. Pro-life priorities lie in a very strange place I have to say.

Oh really? So even children are not human beings now? Lol. You said 'even when it's a child'.

Technically no. But for the sake of practicality we define them as human.

Lolll...of course it matters. DNA matters and how. It makes all the difference bro.

No it doesn't bro.

And yes that's what I think. A person who's in a vegetative state, who has severe disabilities or who has lost all cognitive abilities has still got the right to live as much as me and you. He's a still human being even though he has lost sapience. He hasn't got more a right to live than others (as you put it) but as much. It's called equality.

Technically he's not. Although it's a harsh way to put it, I wouldn't technically call people in a vegetative state human. There's only so far you can go with equality.

And so does a foetus and everyone else belonging to our species. Actually, the fact that a foetus doesn't have sapience yet, makes it worse because when aborting him, you're destroying the potentiality he has to acquire sapience. You're not letting him develop his full potential and you're killing him before he can ever have 'a taste of life' outside the womb.

You're willing to put the psychological well-being of a mother at risk just to see another human's full potential? Chances are, if the parent(s) are not financially or mentally capable, the child's potential will not be achieved anyway, it'll just be another burden.

The right to live doesn't depend on whether you are wanted or not. You don't know if the life of the child will be fucked up or not because no one can foresee what's going to happen in the future. There are people who had everything against them and made it all the same.

It's still unrealistic to expect that women will go through the trouble of giving birth just to see where the child will head to in life, regardless of what it goes through.

And one other thing, yes that's where my priorities lie on this one. From the moment I was created, I have the right to life and over cells of my own DNA unless I make a decision to end it. I,I,I. Not mother or father or whoever. I.

Yes, they had the right to end your life. Because at that point, your 'life' was on the premise of your mother's well being. That being the case, your mother every right to end your life.

image (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XUYDxhLocVI/TbmwQ_Z0fPI/AAAAAAAAG0E/_GiHXc7VmLg/s1600/Turtle%2BIs%2BNot%2BAngry%2B-%2BTurtle%2BIs%2BDisappointed%2BIn%2BYou.jpg)

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[Korashk]

This line between GK and Whiny is why it's a good idea to distinguish between "human being" and "person". There's so much less confusion.

[Genghis Khan]

This line between GK and Whiny is why it's a good idea to distinguish between "human being" and "person". There's so much less confusion.

I could've been more clear on that actually, thanks for pointing it out.

[Wesley1369]

i AM A REPUBLICAN. i agree i dont know how so many people think the republicans are like a huge threat and evil. its actually ridiculous. i have yet to understand how the liberal brain workds

[Gaybaby94]

i AM A REPUBLICAN. i agree i dont know how so many people think the republicans are like a huge threat and evil. its actually ridiculous. i have yet to understand how the liberal brain workds

It's not that they are evil, it is just the stuff they stand for is stupid and ignorant. Their ideologies are evil. Against LGBT rights. Against women's rights to an abortion? Republicans just wan to take everybody's rights away. BTw, same thing can be said about the republican brain.

[BassSwagg]

If it makes you guys feel better, I dislike Obama AND republicans! :D

[Sugaree]

i AM A REPUBLICAN. i agree i dont know how so many people think the republicans are like a huge threat and evil. its actually ridiculous. i have yet to understand how the liberal brain workds

Because the liberal brain is such a confusing thing. To me, a centrist, the conservative mind (when it comes to the social aspects), is confusing. I don't get what makes some in your party to say incredibly stupid things. It's not that I hate Republicans just because they're conservative, but there's too many in your party that have given it a bad name.

[Abnormal]

Why do you like Republicans so much?

[SomecallmeTim]

Obviously you haven't been to Michigan, hard beeing mutual in a land of close-minded people :)

[Cicero]

It's not that they are evil, it is just the stuff they stand for is stupid and ignorant. Their ideologies are evil. Against LGBT rights. Against women's rights to an abortion? Republicans just wan to take everybody's rights away. BTw, same thing can be said about the republican brain.

You can't say their ideologies are evil. They just believe in different things, things that you apparently disagree with. Republicans are more old fashioned, believe it or not, back in the 1950s abortion was thought of as evil. Different parts of different countries have very strong traditional beliefs, which isnt wrong, it's just the way they were raised. The south of the United States have much more traditional beliefs than other parts, Sicily has traditional beliefs than Italy. Italy in general has nothing against LGBT whereas Sicily is strongly traditional which means they disagree with it. Same with other countries.

[Amaryllis]

Liberal and conservative = Ideologies
Republic and democratic = Parties

Just to clear things up for some. The republic, in itself, is not as horrible as it is made out to be. The people who represent the republican party (in my opinion) are just very, very, very stupid. Stupid as in ignorant, arrogant and just downright annoying.

The republican party has lately been represented by some radical, unknowledgeable and unconvincing people with unpopular ideologies.

Of course, they are supported by some. The internet, however, is largely dominated by liberals (generally the younger generations.)

Abraham Lincoln was a republican. As was Teddy Roosevelt. The republicans believe taxes shouldn't be increased while democrats support progressive tax. Republicans mostly support the death penalty while democrats are divided on the issue. Democrats largely support the legalisation of abortion while republicans do not.

As you can see, there is good reason as to why republicans are so strongly disliked on the internet, especially VT. Personally, I am neither a liberal or a conservative. Neither do I care for American politics.

P.S. I read.