Iran steals U.S drone

[tHe_Jester1080]

I am just amazed at how little of action the Obama administration is taking in responce to Iran stealing a mulit-million dollar stealth surveillence drone from the U.S. Obama could have used military action to regain the drone from Iran, who will most definately sell the drone to China or Russia! Obama's respoce was that "taking military action to regain the drone would be an act of war to Iran". And Iran stealing stealth technology isn't. I don't know but their is something seriously wrong with that adminisrations agenda. I can not wait for Obama to be out of office.

[Perseus]

Yeah, starting another war with a Middle Eastern country is the way to go about things. Fuck Obama for not being a warmongering bitch like Bush.

[tHe_Jester1080]

Yeah, starting another war with a Middle Eastern country is the way to go about things. Fuck Obama for not being a warmongering bitch like Bush.

Well I'm glad somebody like you wasn't president during 9/11 or the country would've been burnt to ashes from the terrorists because you would have let them get away with it.

[Genghis Khan]

Obama could have used military action to regain the drone from Iran

Ah yes, like America just has to resort to military action when shit happens. It already has troops in neighbouring Afghanistan and U.S troops have yet to withdraw from Iraq which had fuck all to do with anything but still got fucked over because oh, I don't know, Bush had to use military action to resolve that conflict.

Right now more military involvement in the Middle East is the last thing America needs.

Well I'm glad somebody like you wasn't president during 9/11 or the country would've been burnt to ashes from the terrorists because you would have let them get away with it.

What the fuck? Like 9/11 did any real damage to American soil. You think Bush made the right decisions by nuking a country that had nothing to do with the attacks whatsoever? Then followed up by invading Afghanistan even though Al-Qaeda agreed to negotiate? You're a really misguided individual man.

[Perseus]

Well I'm glad somebody like you wasn't president during 9/11 or the country would've been burnt to ashes from the terrorists because you would have let them get away with it.

Yeah, man. Invading Iraq over nothing but stupid stipulations was the right thing to do! I could give you a history lesson over why we were attacked and how invading a country and attacking dudes who live in mountains is a waste of time, but I doubt you have the intelligence to listen. So I won't.

[StoppingTime]

I'm sorry, now this may just be me, but is there a difference between starting a war after thousands of people were attacked and killed in America, and Iran stealing a drone. Do we need a war to get it back?

But what we did in Iraq was done completely wrong as well, and it hadn't really gotten us that far.

[tHe_Jester1080]

I'm sorry, now this may just be me, but is there a difference between starting a war after thousands of people were attacked and killed in America, and Iran stealing a drone. Do we need a war to get it back?

But what we did in Iraq was done completely wrong as well, and it hadn't really gotten us that far.

We don't need a war! Why is it that you guys associate war whenever you see the word military. I'm not saying that we should go in there guns blazing and bombs falling. All I'm saying is that we need to send MILLITARY personel into Iran to retrieve it and leave, no lives lost.
The altnernative would be to go over there with a diplomatic peace offering, and believe that Iran would actually take us seriously intead of laugh at us. That is not the way to go as Obama has tried to use that useless tactic and gotten us nowhere. The Middle East is not a place to try and resolve problems with peace offerings, and to say pretty please. Before Bush invaded Iraq he gave Saddam Hussein many chances to leave Iraq to avoid military action. Bush even got to UN resolutions passed. Did Hussein listen? no. Did Bin Laden listen? no. Did Iran and Pakistan listen? No! So yes, I believe MILLITARY ACTION is the only way to solve things in the middle east.

I could give you a history lesson over why we were attacked and how invading a country and attacking dudes who live in mountains is a waste of time, but I doubt you have the intelligence to listen. So I won't.

HA, HA, HA! you can take your childish insults and shove them up your ass for all I care bacause I dont really care about them, and they don't mean a thing to me.

Edit(Thor): Do not double post. Use the 'Edit' button instead.

[Genghis Khan]

We don't need a war! Why is it that you guys associate war whenever you see the word military.

That is usually what things break down to when the military gets involved.

I'm not saying that we should go in there guns blazing and bombs falling. All I'm saying is that we need to send MILLITARY personel into Iran to retrieve it and leave, no lives lost.

Oh yeah, no lives lost. Bring military personnel in and your buddy Iran will totally get the bigger picture. You think sending troops there will just... make Iran surrender without a chance of a war sparking out. This is where I stop taking you seriously.

The Middle East is not a place to try and resolve problems with peace offerings, and to say pretty please.

Bush took the alternative when he sent the soldiers to invade Afghanistan, now your own troops are getting their asses handed to them by a bunch of tribal mountain warriors.

Before Bush invaded Iraq he gave Saddam Hussein many chances to leave Iraq to avoid military action. Bush even got to UN resolutions passed. Did Hussein listen? no. Did Bin Laden listen? no. Did Iran and Pakistan listen? No! So yes, I believe MILLITARY ACTION is the only way to solve things in the middle east.

1. No he didn't give Saddam Hussein a chance.

2. Why did Saddam Hussein particularly have to leave Iraq? Exactly how much was Saddam a part of the 9/11 terrorist attacks as much as any other Iraqi citizen?

3. Iran had no part to play in this. It's just been in suspicion of ownership of nuclear weapons for a while.

Actually as I pointed out earlier, Al-Qaeda did listen, and at one point were prepared to negotiate with the Americans but Bush wasn't ready to make deals at that point and furthered his involvement in the Middle East. Well done for that man. Got some serious work done didn't he?

[tHe_Jester1080]

You know, I absolutely LOVE how whenvever anybody says anything bad about how Obama is running things, you always start to talk slam Bush and try to get the subject off of Obama. To me you guys sound a little like Obama himself.

[Genghis Khan]

You know, I absolutely LOVE how whenvever anybody says anything bad about how Obama is running things, you always start to talk slam Bush and try to get the subject off of Obama. To me you guys sound a little like Obama himself.

To be completely honest with you, the kind of actions you're advocating are exactly the kind Bush would, and since he is the prime example of military involvement as an initial resort I only felt it necessary to give an account of his historical failures for the sole purpose of getting the message of 'why military involvement in Iran is a bad idea' across to you.

Not to say Obama is the perfect example of how a president should be, but he's a heck of a lot better than Bush.

[Commander Thor]

You know, I don't remember Iran ever stealing that drone...

You do realize that we were flying that drone in Iran's airspace illegally and without their consent, right? They have every right to keep the drone. It's our fuck up, there's no reason what-so-ever that we should resort to 'military action' to recover it, and there's no reason that Iran should *ever* have to return it to us.

[StoppingTime]

Yes, and what do you think is going to happen with "military involvement"?

You know, since we're buds with Iran they'll let us have what we want if we just ask nicely. That's how the world works, or at lest according to you, right?

[tHe_Jester1080]

I dont have a problem with Iran having it, it's them giving it to China or Russia I have a problem with.

[Commander Thor]

Why?
Both China & Russia already possess advanced stealth technology, they literatly have nothing to gain from this perticular drone.

What are you so afraid of?

[tHe_Jester1080]

Why?
Both China & Russia already possess advanced stealth technology, they literatly have nothing to gain from this perticular drone.

What are you so afraid of?

Afraid is far from the right word, pissed off would be more like. Russia and especially China have screwed us economically over and over again and again. And once again look who wins with the drone, and look who loses with nothing.


What the fuck? Like 9/11 did any real damage to American soil. misguided individual man.

Shame on you!Why don't you tell that to the face of one of the loved ones of the 2,996 people who died that day. You see their tears, misery, and grief. Then you tell me what damage did it do.

[Amnesiac]

We don't need a war! Why is it that you guys associate war whenever you see the word military. I'm not saying that we should go in there guns blazing and bombs falling. All I'm saying is that we need to send MILLITARY personel into Iran to retrieve it and leave, no lives lost.

You know what happened last time the U.S. did something like that? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw)

Let Iran keep the drone; it's not a big deal. They wouldn't have it in the first place if the United States would stop sticking its nose into regions of the world where it has no business. The Middle East will stop bitching at the U.S. if it finally stops military activity in that area. Of course, the neoconservatives keep pushing this ridiculous policy of policing the world, which has never worked.

[StoppingTime]

Afraid is far from the right word, pissed off would be more like. Russia and especially China have screwed us economically over and over again and again. And once again look who wins with the drone, and look who loses with nothing.

This makes no sense. What does our economy and the drone have to do with each other? China and Russia really don't have a need for it, and I don't think Iran going to just give it to either of them.

[Commander Thor]

Afraid is far from the right word, pissed off would be more like. Russia and especially China have screwed us economically over and over again and again. And once again look who wins with the drone, and look who loses with nothing.

What the hell are you even on about?

How would either country having the drone affect us economically? Especially when both countries have similiar technology?

And what's this about winning and losing? I wasn't aware there was a battle to be won going on....


Edit: AND FOR THE LOVE OF MICHELE BACHMANN STOP DOUBLE POSTING. This site has a multi-quote feature for a reason, use it.

[Amnesiac]

Afraid is far from the right word, pissed off would be more like. Russia and especially China have screwed us economically over and over again and again. And once again look who wins with the drone, and look who loses with nothing.

So you're advocating that the United States should violate another nation's political sovereignty and increase tension in the Middle East because of some petty, over-exaggerated "us versus them" mindset? That's ridiculous. This isn't the Cold War, where every little event is some gigantic win or loss for two competing sides. The drone doesn't mean shit. You're trying to turn this situation into something it's not, so you can use it as an excuse to blame Obama and piss off Iran.

[tHe_Jester1080]

You know what, why don't we just start handing out equipment, technology,blueprints, hell our whole arsenal to other countries. You guys are missing the big picture. Yes it's just a drone, but what about the next drone, or the next. look at the image it's giving america. Countries like Iran will look at each other and think they can take our technology now and in the future, with no consequences.

[StoppingTime]

Where are you getting that from? They have the drone, what does that have to do with them, or other countries taking advantage of us. You think we'd allow another 9/11 without any consequences? You think we would just be giving things away? That wasn't even the case here.

[Amnesiac]

You know what, why don't we just start handing out equipment, technology,blueprints, hell our whole arsenal to other countries. You guys are missing the big picture. Yes it's just a drone, but look at the image it's giving america. Countries like Iran will look at each other and think they can take our technology now and in the future, with no consequences.

Pssht. That's a ridiculous oversimplification of diplomacy. The drone does not make a difference. Iran and other enemies of the United States aren't going to suddenly get some gigantic confidence boost because of this. It's obvious to every nation that the U.S. has a ridiculously (and unnecessarily) powerful military force that is not to be dealt with.

The fact is that the United States violated Iranian airspace when it deployed the drone there. What did you expect to happen? No country would take something like that lightly, especially not one in a region that the Americans have fucked royally in two separate wars over the past 20 years. If you don't want American technology ending up in the wrong hands, stop putting it in the wrong places.

[Sugaree]

I dont have a problem with Iran having it, it's them giving it to China or Russia I have a problem with.

You're more worried about China or Russia having this drone? Russia knows we would fuck them each way to Sunday and back without even trying. China would give us some problems, and it would take a while. But do you honestly think they would just attack us? It isn't the Cold War anymore, get your head out of Reagan's ass. I'm more worried with what Iran is finding inside the fucking drone, because it was carrying top notch secret technology from our own military. Do you realize what they can do with that? They'll use it against us. And on top of that, they'll use nuclear weapons without flinching. Iran has had nuclear weapons for a long time, and you're more worried about Russia and China. Wow.

On top of this, we were in Iran's airspace illegally, trying to gain more intelligence on their nuclear factories. If they saw it and found it a potential threat, they had every right to shoot it down. But that doesn't mean we should go marching in there with guns blazing. If Iran is open to peaceful negotiations, we can get the drone back that way. But until then, we need to keep our eyes on the situation. The potential of Iran actually figuring out what's inside the drone can lead to devastating results.

[StoppingTime]

And like Murdoc said, if we were in their airspace, why cant they shoot it down? They've got every right too.

[Genghis Khan]

Shame on you!Why don't you tell that to the face of one of the loved ones of the 2,996 people who died that day. You see their tears, misery, and grief. Then you tell me what damage did it do.

That's not what I meant. The potential damage to American soil was minimum, it was a plane crash into two buildings, it didn't disrupt America's economic progress, average living standards or brought about a change in it's political system. Not to mention it was the only terrorist attack on America. Compare that to the soon-after war crime in Iraq. I'm not saying 9/11 didn't do any damage at all, but the potential damage to the country was little to none, honestly I think 9/11's a bit overrated anyway.

You know what, why don't we just start handing out equipment, technology,blueprints, hell our whole arsenal to other countries.

Yeah dude, you just might if you keep flying illegally in their airspace. That's something for you to think about for the next couple of years before you can get your head around just about everything else that was said here.

You guys are missing the big picture. Yes it's just a drone, but what about the next drone, or the next. look at the image it's giving america. Countries like Iran will look at each other and think they can take our technology now and in the future, with no consequences.

So what you're condoning is that you should invade these countries to prevent them from stealing your weaponry so that next time you shouldn't have to worry about flying illegally above their airspace?

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[Professional Russian]

Its because hes a liberal pussy that is against war

[StoppingTime]

Its because hes a liberal pussy that is against war

Did you listen to anything said here? Or did you just really want to say that?

[Sugaree]

Its because hes a liberal pussy that is against war

You have a mounted deer head in your avatar, no one is going to take you seriously.

[Rainstorm]

You have a mounted deer head in your avatar, no one is going to take you seriously.

He kinda has a point...

[antiabort]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH I hope they sell the technology to all american enemies. Karma motherfuckers.

[StoppingTime]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH I hope they sell the technology to all american enemies. Karma motherfuckers.

What now?

[Sugaree]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH I hope they sell the technology to all american enemies. Karma motherfuckers.

I'm sure that makes you feel good, being out of range and all.

[Gordo]

they didn't steal the drone. We crashed it there. (face palm)
you'd think there would be a self destruct. Maybe there is and we haven't used it yet.

Maybe we can look for it in a used drone sale

[Sugaree]

they didn't steal the drone. We crashed it there. (face palm)
you'd think there would be a self destruct. Maybe there is and we haven't used it yet.

Maybe we can look for it in a used drone sale

I think if it had a self destruct sequence, it would have done so immediately after crashing. If information leaks out that it DIDN'T have a self destruct sequence, that just goes to show how much our armed forces think things over.

[tHe_Jester1080]

they didn't steal the drone. We crashed it there. (face palm)
you'd think there would be a self destruct. Maybe there is and we haven't used it yet.

Maybe we can look for it in a used drone sale

It did not crash, they intercepted it. The Iranian military even said so over their tv broadcast.

[Sugaree]

It did not crash, they intercepted it. The Iranian military even said so over their tv broadcast.

Intercepted means shot down. They shot it, it crashed, they recovered it. Is it that hard to understand?

[Amnesiac]

It did not crash, they intercepted it. The Iranian military even said so over their tv broadcast.

I don't see how this is relevant. Either way, the United States was actively violating Iran's political sovereignty by flying a drone into their airspace. They have the legal right to do whatever the fuck they want to do to that thing.

Ultimately, the point is that the United States lost its technology because it put it in the wrong place. Too bad, I guess. Maybe it's about time the government stops harassing the Middle East focuses on our own pressing domestic issues.

I'm sure that makes you feel good, being out of range and all.

Relevant. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRfBEVrAmjQ)

[aperson444]

Haha how could anyone take 9/11 seriously? The USA, oh that great country, did the same thing to HUNDREDS of other countries in separate incidents. They overthrew the democratically elected president in '59, they overthrew Arbenz in Guatemala, they funded the SAME terrorists that were responsible for 9/11 from 1979-1989. Those 2,996 lives mean NOTHING. Sounds harsh, I know, but it doesn't matter if you're liberal or conservative. The US is responsible for war crimes that have gone unaccounted for too long.

Iran has every right to keep that drone. In fact, I hope they keep it and reverse engineer it. The US can't play world bully anymore. They need a taste of their own medicine. The US government has ignored the will of its people for too long. They have ignored the pleas of world leaders and they have continued to support terrorist causes and dictatorships worldwide. Just before the Arab Spring revolutions, we were one of the biggest partners of Egypt. We were key allies of Bahrain. We supported these tyrants to the day that the revolution began.

And everyone wonders why I support(ed) Al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas? Seriously.

[Genghis Khan]

And everyone wonders why I support(ed) Al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas? Seriously.

Agreed with everything you said up till here. Hezbollah and Hamas, that's fair enough, I'm 100% with Palestine and Lebanon. Although Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden had the right intentions at that point, the actual action they took by flying the planes into the twin towers was just not a good move. Not just because I don't support the murder of innocent people in almost every case but the aftermath of the event was just total occupation in Middle Eastern countries and extremely bad decisions on how to negotiate with the region. Then came this tension between Western values and the world's outlook on Islam. While Islam in itself, isn't a bad religion, it's now wrongly glorified as this cult of violence and animosity, which kind of also indirectly caused Muslims all over the world to be more protective of their 'cult' thus moving towards extremist Islam.

Overall, I just didn't feel the action was necessary. There could've surely been some better way to symbolise the wrong doings of the American government's agenda in the Middle East.

[aperson444]

Oh I agree. I just support their initial intent. I am not pro-world Caliphate/Islamic State, but I feel that their rage against the West was warranted in a sense. As for Hezbollah and Hamas, it's the same, but I feel taht they are entitled to fight against Israel. I lean more towards Hezbollah, because they are actually mildly secular. My favorite Palestinian group would be PFLP, but they aren't very large anymore. They were more of a 1970's-1980's phenomena. I'm more or less against Al Qaeda's ideological intent, but I support anyone who dare stand up to Western forces. They deserve applause, it takes quite a bit of courage to stand up to Western nations.